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Posted: 5/31/2021 10:24:54 AM EDT
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Quoted: Local mall has a no gun policy after several high profile shootings. Cop buddy is CCW with his family at the mall. Walks by the armed, private security with a K9 and it alerts on him. Security guy confronts buddy about possibly being armed. Confirms he is LE and lets him resume his mall stroll. Trying to find a photo of a nazi soldier with a dog keeping everyone safe but striking out. It would be appropriate here. Someday I hope my children will be sniffed by dogs as they go about their daily business. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 10:27:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Riverchase Galleria? fun fact, that Black Friday shootout a couple years ago, my family and I were about 10 minutes from being in the middle of it. If we had went into one more store and not left when we did... I left Centennial Park about 20-minutes earlier from the bomb blast. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 10:27:45 AM EDT
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What's a mall?
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Posted: 5/31/2021 10:27:47 AM EDT
[#4]
Look, more security theater.
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Posted: 5/31/2021 10:28:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you know the effective distance of that equipment? About a decade ago, I went to an interactive museum that had a thermal scanner with live feed for guests to try. My pistol was very obvious from ten feet or so. I wondered if a thermal blanket would defeat it, but never went back to test it. IR can't penetrate glass. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 10:31:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Gun powder is not an explosive therefore not a tracer the test detects. Try some Pyrodex powder next time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Too bad I'm not a cop, I'd like to protect my family too. Irrelevant tangent: I can't tell you how many times TSA swabbed my laptop with the explosives test and never got a positive, despite the fact it was saturated with gun powder from my reloading bench. Gun powder is not an explosive therefore not a tracer the test detects. Try some Pyrodex powder next time. Smokeless powder is most certainly an explosive, secondary explosive to be exact. It can be detonated, though you’d want to use a booster to ensure complete detonation. Double based smokeless powder has both nitrocellulose and nitroglycerine. Triple based propellants also contain nitroguanidine, also a secondary explosive. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 10:33:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A non-police K9 alerting on me? Hahaha you and your dog better back the fuck up. This. Police aren’t the only ones who can shoot dags. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 10:34:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No way I would go to a mall around here without a CCW. Large packs of black teens harassing people and acting feral. This. It's almost as if they lower the quality of life everywhere they are present. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 10:37:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: While the special treatment is certainly an issue, I think the point of this particular post was that (1) they're sniffing us out and (2) "concealed means concealed" may not always work.  |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 10:39:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So he got special treatment for being a cop? Shocker Rules for thee not for me. Only care about unconstitutional gun laws until LE/retired are exempted then it’s back to fair game infringement |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 10:41:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it though? It isn’t exactly a private home. This is true. I've long felt opening businesses to the public to make a profit means volunteering some of your controls/rights just as working for an employer means you can't stand on your desk and speak your opinion freely, (without consequence). Howeva...... In this case consider: -They have armed security. (Yeah, they likely don't care about protecting your family, but this will be their reply). -Simple possession doesn't jam you up, legally, you're asked to leave. -Sadly, exercising your rights doesn't make you a protected class, you are asked to leave, you cannot claim discrimination. In theory, business owners should be allowed to serve who they want to, no exceptions (not reality, of course). -You aren't required to shop there. (I, for one, do not.) I understand the hypocrisy given the bake a cake bit, but here we are. 
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Posted: 5/31/2021 10:42:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Smokeless powder is most certainly an explosive, secondary explosive to be exact. It can be detonated, though you’d want to use a booster to ensure complete detonation. Double based smokeless powder has both nitrocellulose and nitroglycerine. Triple based propellants also contain nitroguanidine, also a secondary explosive. It's a propellant that burns, the rate of that burn is less than explosive material, therefore does not qualify it as an explosive. Just because some components may be nitroglycerine does not make it an explosive compound. The chamber of a firearm would rupture if gun powder exploded, but it doesn't, it burns and accelerates the bullet out the barrel. Pyrodex is more explosive than gunpowder used in cartridges. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 10:42:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Look at Richie Rich here. Go back to the dollar store and harass their K9. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 10:43:58 AM EDT
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I am curious what would happen if you denied carrying and refused to "prove it".
Probably be asked to leave. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 10:44:45 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/31/2021 10:46:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: While the special treatment is certainly an issue, I think the point of this particular post was that (1) they’re sniffing us out and (2) “concealed means concealed” may not always work. True, but in this case if the mall cop asks if I’m armed my answer is “nope, have a good day” |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 10:46:48 AM EDT
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Gun sniffing dogs at your mall? No thanks!
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Posted: 5/31/2021 10:48:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some years back my dad emptied his carry gun the old fashioned way before tossing it in the safe and going to the airport for a flight (he virtually never flies). He set off the residue alarm at the airport and got searched. This happened to my dad before a flight to Germany and they held him up to the point he missed his flight. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 10:48:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't know how accurate the info is, but I had a TSA gun case checker/swabber tell me their swabs won't turn purple for unburned smokeless powder. Like they could rub right over a pile of fresh 2400 and it won't do anything. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Too bad I'm not a cop, I'd like to protect my family too. Irrelevant tangent: I can't tell you how many times TSA swabbed my laptop with the explosives test and never got a positive, despite the fact it was saturated with gun powder from my reloading bench. Don't know how accurate the info is, but I had a TSA gun case checker/swabber tell me their swabs won't turn purple for unburned smokeless powder. Like they could rub right over a pile of fresh 2400 and it won't do anything. Makes sense, but I thought they were trying to stop live bombs from being boarded on the plane. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 10:53:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Go back to the dollar store and harass their K9. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Look at Richie Rich here. Go back to the dollar store and harass their K9. 
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Posted: 5/31/2021 11:01:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Was there a couple weeks ago. Carried anyway. The worst that can happen is they tell me to leave. That’s pretty much how I deal with gun free zones. Unless it’s a school or a courtroom or there’s metal detectors, I ignore the signs. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 11:02:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: some people are more equal than others... I really like your avatar, fellow Texan. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 11:03:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So he got special treatment for being a cop? Shocker My agency requires we carry off duty in the county except when drinking or where prohibited on federal property. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 11:04:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A non-police K9 alerting on me? Hahaha you and your dog better back the fuck up. Bigly. Lol fuck off |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 11:06:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: yep. thats all they can do, ask you to leave. note to self: steer clear of cop dogs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Cop gets to carry in mall off duty. I carry in mall and probably get told to leave or worse. Lol yep. thats all they can do, ask you to leave. note to self: steer clear of cop dogs. I don’t believe this story because of the last thing you said. How close did he walk to an officer with a canine for the dog to sniff out a concealed firearm that could have been spotless and clean. I don’t believe this story one bit. It’s just dumb. Or op’s cop friend is just an attention whore who makes up stories like this just so people will have a conversation with him in the lead role. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 11:07:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others. I bet the dog makes more than the mall cop. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 11:09:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What if you thoroughly clean your CCW and the ammo? Maybe rub some coffee on it?  We talked about that. I really don't know. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 11:09:42 AM EDT
[#28]
Thanks for the Info. I can now safely refuse to go to the Riverchase Galleria.
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Posted: 5/31/2021 11:11:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just like all the Broward County sheriff officers. https://nypost.com/2018/02/23/four-sheriffs-deputies-hid-during-florida-school-shooting/ Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yeah but when bullets start flying me and you get to tuck tail and run away. We also get to make more than $35k a year. So look on the bright side.  Just like all the Broward County sheriff officers. https://nypost.com/2018/02/23/four-sheriffs-deputies-hid-during-florida-school-shooting/  |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 11:11:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you know the effective distance of that equipment? About a decade ago, I went to an interactive museum that had a thermal scanner with live feed for guests to try. My pistol was very obvious from ten feet or so. I wondered if a thermal blanket would defeat it, but never went back to test it. The video I saw was basically your standard entry way into a stadium, store or shopping mall. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 11:13:13 AM EDT
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Cops life is more valuable than any other law abiding citizen.
Got it. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 11:15:13 AM EDT
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This thread is great if only for the butthurt. People going out of their way to get offended.
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Posted: 5/31/2021 11:17:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Gun powder. Bomb sniffing dogs. one of many reasons i refuse to set foot in there. is was going pure ghetto trash long before the moron got smoked and the protests started. if they need armed roving patrols with gun sniffing dogs.... my family doesn't need to be there. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 11:17:42 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/31/2021 11:18:17 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks for the Info. I can now safely refuse to go to the Riverchase Galleria. I lived within 2 to 5 miles of that place for 20 years, never been inside. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 11:20:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah but when bullets start flying me and you get to tuck tail and run away. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 11:20:19 AM EDT
[#37]
Quoted: Local mall has a no gun policy after several high profile shootings. Cop buddy is CCW with his family at the mall. Walks by the armed, private security with a K9 and it alerts on him. Security guy confronts buddy about possibly being armed. Confirms he is LE and lets him resume his mall stroll. If a mall is so bad that they need that level of security on the inside, I bet the parking lots located OUTSIDE are a candy store for criminals. Another reason to avoid that place, regardless of whether you are armed. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 11:22:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Private businesses will do what private businesses do. You’ll be denied entry or asked to leave. It’s pretty simple. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A non-police K9 alerting on me? Hahaha you and your dog better back the fuck up. Private businesses will do what private businesses do. You’ll be denied entry or asked to leave. It’s pretty simple. I don't see how they can Violate the 2nd Amendment but Can't Deny people the Right to Shop based on Sex, Color, Religion or National Origin.
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Posted: 5/31/2021 11:22:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: one of many reasons i refuse to set foot in there. is was going pure ghetto trash long before the moron got smoked and the protests started. if they need armed roving patrols with gun sniffing dogs.... my family doesn't need to be there. It's funny to me that every "local" person knew the exact location I was referring to without having to say it. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 11:26:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If a mall is so bad that they need that level of security on the inside, I bet the parking lots located OUTSIDE are a candy store for criminals. Another reason to avoid that place, regardless of whether you are armed. Local SWAT team would patrol the lots in unmarked vehicles during the holidays. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 11:30:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder what it is, specifically, that the dogs hit on. Is it the smokeless powder residue? Primer residue? Gun oil? It would be fun to have one of those metal AMEX cards (or any other similar decoy...pocket knife, nail clippers, keys, you name it), expose it to whatever it is the dogs hit on, and then troll 'em in the mall. Seems like a LOT of weird stuff would get hits. I've never had a K9 but worked with them quite a bit. Detecting guns or gunpowder was never a thing. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 11:32:03 AM EDT
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Everytime we pass through bham the wife and kids want to stop at 2nd and Charles. I'm not a fan of that area.
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Posted: 5/31/2021 11:35:38 AM EDT
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Gecko45 wouldn’t have put up with that sort of shit!
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Posted: 5/31/2021 11:36:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would think certain garments would take care of that. ? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I participated in a webinar recently on venue security. The thermal scanning tech, they can see your gun. I would think certain garments would take care of that. ? Ask Drizzt if you can use piwafwi |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 11:37:41 AM EDT
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Put gunpowder on $10 in quarters. Drop them in visible areas where people will pick them up entering the mall. Watch and enjoy.
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Posted: 5/31/2021 11:37:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote History That’s great.
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Posted: 5/31/2021 11:39:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Riverchase Galleria? fun fact, that Black Friday shootout a couple years ago, my family and I were about 10 minutes from being in the middle of it. If we had went into one more store and not left when we did... I think that you are confusing 2 separate events. The one on Black Friday was where 2 people got Shot and the Soldier Want to Be ran around the mall waiving a gun and got capped by the Mall Cops. There was another event in July of last year where 2 gangs of Black Youths had a shoot out that left a little boy dead. I know this is the mall that Bama is talking about because it's the only one in Alabama that uses Gun Sniffing Dogs. 
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Posted: 5/31/2021 11:41:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If a mall is so bad that they need that level of security on the inside, I bet the parking lots located OUTSIDE are a candy store for criminals. Another reason to avoid that place, regardless of whether you are armed. I believe there was a shooting outside and a couple robberies in the last year or two. |
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Posted: 5/31/2021 11:42:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's funny to me that every "local" person knew the exact location I was referring to without having to say it. Whats sad is the area was held as the Gold standard for safety and affluence for the longest time.
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Posted: 5/31/2021 11:43:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Everytime we pass through bham the wife and kids want to stop at 2nd and Charles. I'm not a fan of that area. You are good there. |
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