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Posted: 8/8/2024 6:29:42 PM EDT
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 FN P90 to 500yds: Practical Accuracy (Stargate SG1 main weapon) PS90 |
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Posted: 8/8/2024 8:32:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94: You certainly win the most gangster bag contest  I can smell the cigarette smoke and three martini lunches from here. Looks like something my mother would have in the early 80s. Just needs half a stick of Doublemint gum, an aerosol can of Bactine, and a wooden spoon. |
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Posted: 8/9/2024 9:40:57 PM EDT
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PSA is just about to drop the 300 blk Krink. Posted on instagram and has a dead page on their web site.
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Posted: 8/9/2024 10:43:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cyclone: Thinking of getting into a 9mm PDW...........of the three, which do you guys like? MP5K type, Stribog or the PSA DOE clone? G17 in a B&T chassis. |
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Posted: 8/9/2024 10:46:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GLOCKshooter: PSA is just about to drop the 300 blk Krink. Posted on instagram and has a dead page on their web site. What would the advantage be? It won’t be a compact gun with a can on it and that’s the only reason you would want a .300 over a 7.62x39…. |
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Posted: 8/9/2024 10:50:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: towerofpower94]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GLOCKshooter: PSA is just about to drop the 300 blk Krink. Posted on instagram and has a dead page on their web site. Unless the X57 is out, a 300BO Krink is going to be my house warming gift to myself after we move in  ETA: not for a PDW/bag gun as discussed in this thread, I just think it’s awesome. |
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Posted: 8/10/2024 2:38:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cyclone: Thinking of getting into a 9mm PDW...........of the three, which do you guys like? MP5K type, Stribog or the PSA DOE clone? MP5K with a folding stock/brace is my vote. I've got the 1st gen, so it dosen't havea tri-lug or threaded barrel. But it sure makes it compact, and instantly ready to rumble. Overall I prefer my regumar MP5, because I've wanted one ever since the 80s. But for a compact small backpack PDW, the K model is the better choice, and usually what I take with me if I travel (that and my take-down "lunchbox" SA Edge Evac AR. Both are VERY concealable and inconspicuous PDWs. So is my 5.5" SA Saint PDW, which I also take on tripsat times. I would hand my wife the MP5K and I would use the Evac or PDW. They're all pretty loud, but if I ever have to use them, hearing loss will be low on my immediate priority list. |
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Posted: 8/10/2024 8:22:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Red_Label: MP5K with a folding stock/brace is my vote. I've got the 1st gen, so it dosen't havea tri-lug or threaded barrel. But it sure makes it compact, and instantly ready to rumble. Overall I prefer my regumar MP5, because I've wanted one ever since the 80s. But for a compact small backpack PDW, the K model is the better choice, and usually what I take with me if I travel (that and my take-down "lunchbox" SA Edge Evac AR. Both are VERY concealable and inconspicuous PDWs. So is my 5.5" SA Saint PDW, which I also take on tripsat times. I would hand my wife the MP5K and I would use the Evac or PDW. They're all pretty loud, but if I ever have to use them, hearing loss will be low on my immediate priority list. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Red_Label: Originally Posted By cyclone: Thinking of getting into a 9mm PDW...........of the three, which do you guys like? MP5K type, Stribog or the PSA DOE clone? MP5K with a folding stock/brace is my vote. I've got the 1st gen, so it dosen't havea tri-lug or threaded barrel. But it sure makes it compact, and instantly ready to rumble. Overall I prefer my regumar MP5, because I've wanted one ever since the 80s. But for a compact small backpack PDW, the K model is the better choice, and usually what I take with me if I travel (that and my take-down "lunchbox" SA Edge Evac AR. Both are VERY concealable and inconspicuous PDWs. So is my 5.5" SA Saint PDW, which I also take on tripsat times. I would hand my wife the MP5K and I would use the Evac or PDW. They're all pretty loud, but if I ever have to use them, hearing loss will be low on my immediate priority list. I’m not an HK guy, but a friend is and his K with the folder is pretty tiny. Anything AR based, unless it’s an AR180 with a legit folder, is going to be substantially longer than the MP5K. While I love the DOE clone, it’s meant to be used like a rifle and is sized with that in mind. |
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Posted: 8/10/2024 8:31:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOtherDave: What would the advantage be? It won’t be a compact gun with a can on it and that’s the only reason you would want a .300 over a 7.62x39…. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOtherDave: Originally Posted By GLOCKshooter: PSA is just about to drop the 300 blk Krink. Posted on instagram and has a dead page on their web site. What would the advantage be? It won’t be a compact gun with a can on it and that’s the only reason you would want a .300 over a 7.62x39…. Its for krink fans. Its not supposed to make sense. |
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Posted: 8/10/2024 8:38:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94: I’m not an HK guy, but a friend is and his K with the folder is pretty tiny. Anything AR based, unless it’s an AR180 with a legit folder, is going to be substantially longer than the MP5K. While I love the DOE clone, it’s meant to be used like a rifle and is sized with that in mind. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94: Originally Posted By Red_Label: Originally Posted By cyclone: Thinking of getting into a 9mm PDW...........of the three, which do you guys like? MP5K type, Stribog or the PSA DOE clone? MP5K with a folding stock/brace is my vote. I've got the 1st gen, so it dosen't havea tri-lug or threaded barrel. But it sure makes it compact, and instantly ready to rumble. Overall I prefer my regumar MP5, because I've wanted one ever since the 80s. But for a compact small backpack PDW, the K model is the better choice, and usually what I take with me if I travel (that and my take-down "lunchbox" SA Edge Evac AR. Both are VERY concealable and inconspicuous PDWs. So is my 5.5" SA Saint PDW, which I also take on tripsat times. I would hand my wife the MP5K and I would use the Evac or PDW. They're all pretty loud, but if I ever have to use them, hearing loss will be low on my immediate priority list. I’m not an HK guy, but a friend is and his K with the folder is pretty tiny. Anything AR based, unless it’s an AR180 with a legit folder, is going to be substantially longer than the MP5K. While I love the DOE clone, it’s meant to be used like a rifle and is sized with that in mind. With a LAW folder you can build pistol caliber ARs nearly as small if not as small as an MP5K. |
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Posted: 8/10/2024 8:41:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: towerofpower94]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glocked: With a LAW folder you can build pistol caliber ARs nearly as small if not as small as an MP5K. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glocked: Originally Posted By towerofpower94: Originally Posted By Red_Label: Originally Posted By cyclone: Thinking of getting into a 9mm PDW...........of the three, which do you guys like? MP5K type, Stribog or the PSA DOE clone? MP5K with a folding stock/brace is my vote. I've got the 1st gen, so it dosen't havea tri-lug or threaded barrel. But it sure makes it compact, and instantly ready to rumble. Overall I prefer my regumar MP5, because I've wanted one ever since the 80s. But for a compact small backpack PDW, the K model is the better choice, and usually what I take with me if I travel (that and my take-down "lunchbox" SA Edge Evac AR. Both are VERY concealable and inconspicuous PDWs. So is my 5.5" SA Saint PDW, which I also take on tripsat times. I would hand my wife the MP5K and I would use the Evac or PDW. They're all pretty loud, but if I ever have to use them, hearing loss will be low on my immediate priority list. I’m not an HK guy, but a friend is and his K with the folder is pretty tiny. Anything AR based, unless it’s an AR180 with a legit folder, is going to be substantially longer than the MP5K. While I love the DOE clone, it’s meant to be used like a rifle and is sized with that in mind. With a LAW folder you can build pistol caliber ARs nearly as small if not as small as an MP5K. But you can’t use it with the stock folded, correct? Not that I envision hip firing with a folded stock as the optimum way to use it, having it immediately available to fire multiple rounds upon removing the gun from the bag would seem to be a positive. |
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Posted: 8/10/2024 8:47:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Glocked]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94: But you can’t use it with the stock folded, correct? Not that I envision hip firing with a folded stock, having it immediately available to fire multiple rounds upon removing the gun from the bag would seem to be a positive. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94: Originally Posted By Glocked: Originally Posted By towerofpower94: Originally Posted By Red_Label: Originally Posted By cyclone: Thinking of getting into a 9mm PDW...........of the three, which do you guys like? MP5K type, Stribog or the PSA DOE clone? MP5K with a folding stock/brace is my vote. I've got the 1st gen, so it dosen't havea tri-lug or threaded barrel. But it sure makes it compact, and instantly ready to rumble. Overall I prefer my regumar MP5, because I've wanted one ever since the 80s. But for a compact small backpack PDW, the K model is the better choice, and usually what I take with me if I travel (that and my take-down "lunchbox" SA Edge Evac AR. Both are VERY concealable and inconspicuous PDWs. So is my 5.5" SA Saint PDW, which I also take on tripsat times. I would hand my wife the MP5K and I would use the Evac or PDW. They're all pretty loud, but if I ever have to use them, hearing loss will be low on my immediate priority list. I’m not an HK guy, but a friend is and his K with the folder is pretty tiny. Anything AR based, unless it’s an AR180 with a legit folder, is going to be substantially longer than the MP5K. While I love the DOE clone, it’s meant to be used like a rifle and is sized with that in mind. With a LAW folder you can build pistol caliber ARs nearly as small if not as small as an MP5K. But you can’t use it with the stock folded, correct? Not that I envision hip firing with a folded stock, having it immediately available to fire multiple rounds upon removing the gun from the bag would seem to be a positive. Correct. It’ll only fire once if loaded and folded. I get the appeal of fire while folded. I’ve had a couple. But after the novelty wears off about halfway through the first mag. I can’t think of a single time I’ve ever fired them while folded. Same can be said for chassis systems. It’s cool that they fire while folded. But I’ve never used that feature much. Especially since the whole point for me is putting a stock/chassis on a pistol caliber is making it something I can shoulder. |
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Posted: 8/10/2024 10:11:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glocked: Correct. It’ll only fire once if loaded and folded. I get the appeal of fire while folded. I’ve had a couple. But after the novelty wears off about halfway through the first mag. I can’t think of a single time I’ve ever fired them while folded. Same can be said for chassis systems. It’s cool that they fire while folded. But I’ve never used that feature much. Especially since the whole point for me is putting a stock/chassis on a pistol caliber is making it something I can shoulder. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glocked: Originally Posted By towerofpower94: Originally Posted By Glocked: Originally Posted By towerofpower94: Originally Posted By Red_Label: Originally Posted By cyclone: Thinking of getting into a 9mm PDW...........of the three, which do you guys like? MP5K type, Stribog or the PSA DOE clone? MP5K with a folding stock/brace is my vote. I've got the 1st gen, so it dosen't havea tri-lug or threaded barrel. But it sure makes it compact, and instantly ready to rumble. Overall I prefer my regumar MP5, because I've wanted one ever since the 80s. But for a compact small backpack PDW, the K model is the better choice, and usually what I take with me if I travel (that and my take-down "lunchbox" SA Edge Evac AR. Both are VERY concealable and inconspicuous PDWs. So is my 5.5" SA Saint PDW, which I also take on tripsat times. I would hand my wife the MP5K and I would use the Evac or PDW. They're all pretty loud, but if I ever have to use them, hearing loss will be low on my immediate priority list. I’m not an HK guy, but a friend is and his K with the folder is pretty tiny. Anything AR based, unless it’s an AR180 with a legit folder, is going to be substantially longer than the MP5K. While I love the DOE clone, it’s meant to be used like a rifle and is sized with that in mind. With a LAW folder you can build pistol caliber ARs nearly as small if not as small as an MP5K. But you can’t use it with the stock folded, correct? Not that I envision hip firing with a folded stock, having it immediately available to fire multiple rounds upon removing the gun from the bag would seem to be a positive. Correct. It’ll only fire once if loaded and folded. I get the appeal of fire while folded. I’ve had a couple. But after the novelty wears off about halfway through the first mag. I can’t think of a single time I’ve ever fired them while folded. Same can be said for chassis systems. It’s cool that they fire while folded. But I’ve never used that feature much. Especially since the whole point for me is putting a stock/chassis on a pistol caliber is making it something I can shoulder. Completely agree. I see it more if a capability instead of a feature that would be intentionally used. If there’s time to unfold/extend the stock you obviously would. But if you absolutely positively must shoot right meow, it would be nice to be able to. |
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Posted: 8/10/2024 10:14:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOtherDave: G17 in a B&T chassis. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOtherDave: Originally Posted By cyclone: Thinking of getting into a 9mm PDW...........of the three, which do you guys like? MP5K type, Stribog or the PSA DOE clone? G17 in a B&T chassis. Well, I have a Gen 5 17......why not two different PDWs? |
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Posted: 8/10/2024 10:15:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Red_Label: MP5K with a folding stock/brace is my vote. I've got the 1st gen, so it dosen't havea tri-lug or threaded barrel. But it sure makes it compact, and instantly ready to rumble. Overall I prefer my regumar MP5, because I've wanted one ever since the 80s. But for a compact small backpack PDW, the K model is the better choice, and usually what I take with me if I travel (that and my take-down "lunchbox" SA Edge Evac AR. Both are VERY concealable and inconspicuous PDWs. So is my 5.5" SA Saint PDW, which I also take on tripsat times. I would hand my wife the MP5K and I would use the Evac or PDW. They're all pretty loud, but if I ever have to use them, hearing loss will be low on my immediate priority list. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Red_Label: Originally Posted By cyclone: Thinking of getting into a 9mm PDW...........of the three, which do you guys like? MP5K type, Stribog or the PSA DOE clone? MP5K with a folding stock/brace is my vote. I've got the 1st gen, so it dosen't havea tri-lug or threaded barrel. But it sure makes it compact, and instantly ready to rumble. Overall I prefer my regumar MP5, because I've wanted one ever since the 80s. But for a compact small backpack PDW, the K model is the better choice, and usually what I take with me if I travel (that and my take-down "lunchbox" SA Edge Evac AR. Both are VERY concealable and inconspicuous PDWs. So is my 5.5" SA Saint PDW, which I also take on tripsat times. I would hand my wife the MP5K and I would use the Evac or PDW. They're all pretty loud, but if I ever have to use them, hearing loss will be low on my immediate priority list. I had a full size MP5 clone but I like the K better, and I'd like to have the collapsible brace for real compactness |
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Posted: 8/10/2024 11:25:37 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Glocked: With a LAW folder you can build pistol caliber ARs nearly as small if not as small as an MP5K. Originally Posted By towerofpower94: a Sig Rattler is ~16" or so with no can, folded, and shoots a rifle round But you can’t use it with the stock folded, correct? Not that I envision hip firing with a folded stock as the optimum way to use it, having it immediately available to fire multiple rounds upon removing the gun from the bag would seem to be a positive. I like folding/collapsing more for travel than actually shooting that way. I have shot my flux glock, flux raider, and rattler all folded or not deployed, just to see how it was. Sucks compares to the half second it takes to get the brace/stock into play though, which through practice you can do on the draw |
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Posted: 8/10/2024 12:02:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94: I’m not an HK guy, but a friend is and his K with the folder is pretty tiny. Anything AR based, unless it’s an AR180 with a legit folder, is going to be substantially longer than the MP5K. While I love the DOE clone, it’s meant to be used like a rifle and is sized with that in mind. Yep. I think its really hard to beat a K as a bag gun. Maybe a TP9 but I dont have one to compare. Best compromise all around of size/shootability/etc. only drawback is weight compared to something like a flux. 10.3” 5.56 AR with lawfolder vs MP5k   |
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Posted: 8/10/2024 12:37:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By steviesterno16: I like folding/collapsing more for travel than actually shooting that way. I have shot my flux glock, flux raider, and rattler all folded or not deployed, just to see how it was. Sucks compares to the half second it takes to get the brace/stock into play though, which through practice you can do on the draw 5 minute mark.  Law Tactical Gen 3 Folding Adaptor |
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Posted: 8/10/2024 1:37:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94: Completely agree. I see it more if a capability instead of a feature that would be intentionally used. If there’s time to unfold/extend the stock you obviously would. But if you absolutely positively must shoot right meow, it would be nice to be able to. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94: Originally Posted By Glocked: Originally Posted By towerofpower94: Originally Posted By Glocked: Originally Posted By towerofpower94: Originally Posted By Red_Label: Originally Posted By cyclone: Thinking of getting into a 9mm PDW...........of the three, which do you guys like? MP5K type, Stribog or the PSA DOE clone? MP5K with a folding stock/brace is my vote. I've got the 1st gen, so it dosen't havea tri-lug or threaded barrel. But it sure makes it compact, and instantly ready to rumble. Overall I prefer my regumar MP5, because I've wanted one ever since the 80s. But for a compact small backpack PDW, the K model is the better choice, and usually what I take with me if I travel (that and my take-down "lunchbox" SA Edge Evac AR. Both are VERY concealable and inconspicuous PDWs. So is my 5.5" SA Saint PDW, which I also take on tripsat times. I would hand my wife the MP5K and I would use the Evac or PDW. They're all pretty loud, but if I ever have to use them, hearing loss will be low on my immediate priority list. I’m not an HK guy, but a friend is and his K with the folder is pretty tiny. Anything AR based, unless it’s an AR180 with a legit folder, is going to be substantially longer than the MP5K. While I love the DOE clone, it’s meant to be used like a rifle and is sized with that in mind. With a LAW folder you can build pistol caliber ARs nearly as small if not as small as an MP5K. But you can’t use it with the stock folded, correct? Not that I envision hip firing with a folded stock, having it immediately available to fire multiple rounds upon removing the gun from the bag would seem to be a positive. Correct. It’ll only fire once if loaded and folded. I get the appeal of fire while folded. I’ve had a couple. But after the novelty wears off about halfway through the first mag. I can’t think of a single time I’ve ever fired them while folded. Same can be said for chassis systems. It’s cool that they fire while folded. But I’ve never used that feature much. Especially since the whole point for me is putting a stock/chassis on a pistol caliber is making it something I can shoulder. Completely agree. I see it more if a capability instead of a feature that would be intentionally used. If there’s time to unfold/extend the stock you obviously would. But if you absolutely positively must shoot right meow, it would be nice to be able to. FWIW While they recommend against firing it folded. I have done it on my AR9 several times. Doing it suppressed, with subs, and firing while folded lets you fire a single round with the BCG unable to cycle. It is noticeably quieter to me. I’ve used it a few times with pests around the house. |
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Posted: 8/10/2024 1:42:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: QRB]
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He seems to have gotten away with firing that LAW adaptor folded, but I don't think my dentist would recommend it.
 I really don't see the merit of firing a folder with the stock stowed. They can be put into proper operational configuration so quickly, and your odds of hammering a target are so much greater, that I struggle to understand the merit. ETA: As a substitute bolt lock, I'm sure it was quieter, and I doubt that a 9x19 puts too much stress on that LAW capture plate. |
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Posted: 8/10/2024 1:54:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AndBen]
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Forget if I posted this yet or not…G17 w/ Flux brace, DeltaPoint Pro, R9 can, Streamlight TLR-VIS w/ Villain Weapon Systems EFL. Fits nicely (with can off) in a discreet Tactical Tailor sling bag. 40 rounds in/on gun.
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Posted: 8/10/2024 1:55:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Alacran]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 74novaman: Yep. I think its really hard to beat a K as a bag gun. Maybe a TP9 but I dont have one to compare. Best compromise all around of size/shootability/etc. only drawback is weight compared to something like a flux. 10.3” 5.56 AR with lawfolder vs MP5k https://i.imgur.com/QzOtOKN.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/ygI9kzs.jpeg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 74novaman: Originally Posted By towerofpower94: I’m not an HK guy, but a friend is and his K with the folder is pretty tiny. Anything AR based, unless it’s an AR180 with a legit folder, is going to be substantially longer than the MP5K. While I love the DOE clone, it’s meant to be used like a rifle and is sized with that in mind. Yep. I think its really hard to beat a K as a bag gun. Maybe a TP9 but I dont have one to compare. Best compromise all around of size/shootability/etc. only drawback is weight compared to something like a flux. 10.3” 5.56 AR with lawfolder vs MP5k https://i.imgur.com/QzOtOKN.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/ygI9kzs.jpeg I’m still a big proponent of having multiple size options of portability to match possible size, weight, & cartridge requirements when needing more than just a handgun. The less attention I draw, the better. I do like the Law Folder but it does add noticeable weight for the tradeoff of a shorter profile. Then again, every choice is a tradeoff to some extent. 1. Small backpack or sling pack with Rattler/AR15 config 2. Small shoulder/computer bag with MP5K/TP9 or possibly even a Scorpion Micro 3. Fannypack or on-the-body carry with Flux Raider/USW config to be much more discreet. . |
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Posted: 8/10/2024 2:59:26 PM EDT
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RE: the 17 Designs folder
I thought it was significantly shorter than the LAW when folded, but it is only about 5/8" shorter. It does save about 7 ounces, though  
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Posted: 8/10/2024 3:21:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 74novaman: Yep. I think its really hard to beat a K as a bag gun. Maybe a TP9 but I dont have one to compare. Best compromise all around of size/shootability/etc. only drawback is weight compared to something like a flux. 10.3” 5.56 AR with lawfolder vs MP5k https://i.imgur.com/QzOtOKN.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/ygI9kzs.jpeg The one thing that keeps from getting a TP9, SBRing it, and getting the real B&T can is the nearly unanimous comments that the trigger is just terrible.  I want to live out my own Collateral dance club shootout fantasy 
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Posted: 8/10/2024 4:27:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94: The one thing that keeps from getting a TP9, SBRing it, and getting the real B&T can is the nearly unanimous comments that the trigger is just terrible. I want to live out my own Collateral dance club shootout fantasy For me its being left handed. I can live with a shit trigger but i dont like eating gas |
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Posted: 8/10/2024 9:56:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 74novaman: For me its being left handed. I can live with a shit trigger but i dont like eating gas Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 74novaman: Originally Posted By towerofpower94: The one thing that keeps from getting a TP9, SBRing it, and getting the real B&T can is the nearly unanimous comments that the trigger is just terrible. I want to live out my own Collateral dance club shootout fantasy For me its being left handed. I can live with a shit trigger but i dont like eating gas Yeah, the fact that at the end of the day it’s just another blowback 9mm also makes it lose some luster. Mag in grip is cool, but without FA it’s just another 9mm PCC that’s bigger, heavier, and uses more expensive mags compared to a Glock in a chassis….which can do everything a TP9 can do easier, lighter, and cheaper. It does look tits though 
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Posted: 8/11/2024 2:13:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 74novaman: Yes. I have both, love both. But the K with the B&T is peak bag gun. https://i.imgur.com/vsL7kYA.jpeg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 74novaman: Originally Posted By Lothbrok: Get both. Then put the B&T collapsing stock on the K and have a fantastic bag gun. Yes. I have both, love both. But the K with the B&T is peak bag gun. https://i.imgur.com/vsL7kYA.jpeg I'm looking at century arms and don't see an ap5k. I only see an ap5-p Is that the same thing? |
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Posted: 8/11/2024 9:30:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By crashburnrepeat: I'm looking at century arms and don't see an ap5k. I only see an ap5-p Is that the same thing? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By crashburnrepeat: Originally Posted By 74novaman: Originally Posted By Lothbrok: Get both. Then put the B&T collapsing stock on the K and have a fantastic bag gun. Yes. I have both, love both. But the K with the B&T is peak bag gun. https://i.imgur.com/vsL7kYA.jpeg I'm looking at century arms and don't see an ap5k. I only see an ap5-p Is that the same thing? Yeah, the AP5-P is the same thing as a K. The AP5/AP5 Core is the full-size MP5 clone, the AP5-P is the K clone. https://atlanticfirearms.com/century-ap5-p-HG6035ab-n (braced) https://atlanticfirearms.com/ap5-p-core-HG6035AL-N (with sling) Atlantic tends to have the best prices on the AP5s that I've seen. |
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Posted: 8/11/2024 9:40:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lothbrok: Yeah, the AP5-P is the same thing as a K. The AP5/AP5 Core is the full-size MP5 clone, the AP5-P is the K clone. https://atlanticfirearms.com/century-ap5-p-HG6035ab-n (braced) https://atlanticfirearms.com/ap5-p-core-HG6035AL-N (with sling) Atlantic tends to have the best prices on the AP5s that I've seen. This. Different nomenclature for same thing, so I tend to just say full size or K clone instead of AP5 or AP5-P because no one would know what that means They also sell an AP5-M which is a K size clone without the trilug or threaded barrel similar to the original MP5K |
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Posted: 8/11/2024 11:55:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/13/2024 8:07:50 PM EDT
[#31]
Here's an interesting option. What round for 5" 5.56?
https://maximdefense.com/product/pdx-sd-sbr/  The Mightiest 5.5 Inches You'll ever handle - The PDX-SD (5.5" Suppressed 5.56) |
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Posted: 8/14/2024 10:55:03 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tortilla-flats: Here's an interesting option. What round for 5" 5.56? https://maximdefense.com/product/pdx-sd-sbr/  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5eFmhtqTyEOnly thing that comes to mind is maybe Black Hills 50gr TSX. There's a gel test out there somewhere showing it still being effective from a 7.5" barrel. |
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Posted: 8/15/2024 4:35:52 PM EDT
[#33]
Shot the Flux Raider 365 or whatever it's called again today. Here's my take aways:
CONS: Unpleasant to shoot. The 3" barrel is really not far from your face and the recoil is surprisingly spicy for 9mm. PROS: It was insanely accurate and I was hitting within a half inch at 15 yards with garbage ammo, and very quickly. It has ruined my dream of buying an MP5 as there's literally no reason to when I can get the same ballistics as that but with something that weighs less than my 1911s. CONS: Now I need to build a "real" version so currently saving up for the FUSE. Will come with the longer mags plus a couple extra inches of barrel length will make it nice and further from my face. I will also go down a rabbit hole and end up with both a threaded long-ass barrel and a micro 9mm can. this will literally likely replace all my other "long" guns not of rifle caliber. Additional sidenote. ACWs shoot frickin lights out, and the MCX in 300BO with subs and a can is also tits. That is all. |
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Posted: 8/15/2024 5:31:33 PM EDT
[#34]
I shot my Home Badger with 2 different cans today. I saw someone mention that this thing sucks shooting supers and I concur. It's really accurate but managed to easily jam and lock a 10round Lancer mag in the receiver.
 Other than light weight, I'm not really impressed with it.This thread has been a great conversation and I appreciate everyone's input. Even the OP. My main takeaway from all this is, at the end of the day, all our choices suck. Everything we're doing here is just putting lipstick on a pig in one form or fashion. My understanding is that 300AAC was an attempt to address this gap, but its only an incremental improvement at best. Our civilian firearm industrial complex is failing us. We need something with rifle terminal ballistics out to at least 200 yds in the package size of a small 9mm PDW. |
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Posted: 8/15/2024 5:50:27 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By steviesterno16: Shot the Flux Raider 365 or whatever it's called again today. Here's my take aways: CONS: Unpleasant to shoot. The 3" barrel is really not far from your face and the recoil is surprisingly spicy for 9mm. PROS: It was insanely accurate and I was hitting within a half inch at 15 yards with garbage ammo, and very quickly. It has ruined my dream of buying an MP5 as there's literally no reason to when I can get the same ballistics as that but with something that weighs less than my 1911s. CONS: Now I need to build a "real" version so currently saving up for the FUSE. Will come with the longer mags plus a couple extra inches of barrel length will make it nice and further from my face. I will also go down a rabbit hole and end up with both a threaded long-ass barrel and a micro 9mm can. this will literally likely replace all my other "long" guns not of rifle caliber. Additional sidenote. ACWs shoot frickin lights out, and the MCX in 300BO with subs and a can is also tits. That is all. |
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Posted: 8/15/2024 5:53:00 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tortilla-flats: I shot my Home Badger with 2 different cans today. I saw someone mention that this thing sucks shooting supers and I concur. It's really accurate but managed to easily jam and lock a 10round Lancer mag in the receiver. Other than light weight, I'm not really impressed with it.This thread has been a great conversation and I appreciate everyone's input. Even the OP. My main takeaway from all this is, at the end of the day, all our choices suck. Everything we're doing here is just putting lipstick on a pig in one form or fashion. My understanding is that 300AAC was an attempt to address this gap, but its only an incremental improvement at best. Our civilian firearm industrial complex is failing us. We need something with rifle terminal ballistics out to at least 200 yds in the package size of a small 9mm PDW. |
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Posted: 8/15/2024 7:52:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: towerofpower94]
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tortilla-flats: I shot my Home Badger with 2 different cans today. I saw someone mention that this thing sucks shooting supers and I concur. It's really accurate but managed to easily jam and lock a 10round Lancer mag in the receiver. Other than light weight, I'm not really impressed with it.This thread has been a great conversation and I appreciate everyone's input. Even the OP. My main takeaway from all this is, at the end of the day, all our choices suck. Everything we're doing here is just putting lipstick on a pig in one form or fashion. My understanding is that 300AAC was an attempt to address this gap, but its only an incremental improvement at best. Our civilian firearm industrial complex is failing us. We need something with rifle terminal ballistics out to at least 200 yds in the package size of a small 9mm PDW. I think 200yds might be a bit more range than many are looking at in this thread. If you’re in a city, a thing 200yds away probably has many pieces of cover/concealment and exit routes between you and it. More effective range is always better, but for 200yd shots I’d want at least 2-3x magnification to ensure proper target confirmation. Don’t wanna be the internet lawyer, but it’s gonna be tough in a court of law to claim you were threatened for a dude 200yds away and had to whip out the Honey Dick with spicy 110gr TTSXLMNOP 300BO to save yourself. I like all the gats in this thread. My PS90 is probably my go to if I believe I need something to meet these requirements.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/15/2024 10:02:09 PM EDT
[#38]
Swapped my deposit from the flux 365 to a flux legion. Shopping for barrels now.
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Posted: 8/15/2024 10:14:01 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tortilla-flats: This thread has been a great conversation and I appreciate everyone's input. Even the OP. My main takeaway from all this is, at the end of the day, all our choices suck. Everything we're doing here is just putting lipstick on a pig It is hard being almost always objectively correct, ruggedly handsome and just a fuckin stud in general but I guess we all have our crosses to bear…. You nailed it on all being tarted up pigs. Probably part of why it fascinates me, because there really isnt a perfect answer to the niche (other than to say fuck it, edc handgun, training, actual fucking rifle for doing rifle shit). |
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Posted: 8/16/2024 5:55:59 AM EDT
[#40]
Originally Posted By billth777: Swapped my deposit from the flux 365 to a flux legion. Shopping for barrels now. Originally Posted By 74novaman: makes sense if you're already in the 320 ecosystem. I already own and carry a bunch of 365 stuff so the smaller one makes sense for me. It is hard being almost always objectively correct, ruggedly handsome and just a fuckin stud in general but I guess we all have our crosses to bear…. You nailed it on all being tarted up pigs. Probably part of why it fascinates me, because there really isnt a perfect answer to the niche (other than to say fuck it, edc handgun, training, actual fucking rifle for doing rifle shit). PDWs are certainly a limited use role, but in all honesty we'll hopefully never use or need any of the stuff we train with unless we're tip of the spear guys. I'm not. I'm realizing I'm old. If there is neighborhood SHTF I would likely be better cooking and being a field medic than dropping nods and slotting floppies. One of those is more fun to larm though, says the guy who just took the trash out under NODs  |
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Posted: 8/16/2024 8:46:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: steve8140]
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By billth777: Swapped my deposit from the flux 365 to a flux legion. Shopping for barrels now. @billth777 Curious why you switched? Be aware that swapping barrels the the legion has its challenges. There’s some pictures and details here if you scroll through it I wasn’t aware of until recently. Flux Raider Legion |
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Posted: 8/16/2024 3:30:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: steve8140]
[#42]
Got a few parts in today.
Raider X, Sig X VTAC slide assembly, F10 charging handle, Flux rail mounts, Sig Romeo 5 with low mount, TLR-VIR-II with Villain EFL. Still need to get a threaded barrel for the suppressor.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/16/2024 3:41:47 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By steve8140: Got a few parts in today. Raider X, Sig X VTAC slide assembly, F10 charging handle, Flux rail mounts, Sig Romeo 5 with low mount. Still need to get a threaded barrel for the suppressor. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/223734/IMG_9158_jpeg-3296038.JPG Looking good. Really love the F10 charging handle, huge quality of life upgrade |
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Posted: 8/16/2024 8:21:43 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By steve8140: @billth777 Curious why you switched? Be aware that swapping barrels the the legion has its challenges. There’s some pictures and details here if you scroll through it I wasn’t aware of until recently. Flux Raider Legion Finger fucked a Legion at the fun store and I like that size. |
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Posted: 8/17/2024 9:08:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: steviesterno16]
[#45]
16” barrel Henry 357 which is considered a small and handy rifle.
14.5” SBR Rattler is 20” suppressed and 16” without can Flux Glock is 16” without can, 12” without. Sig 365 flux is 10”. About the size and weight of a 1911. People don’t appreciate how small this stuff is till it’s in comparison. If you’re ok with 9mm, which size would you rather actually carry around?  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/20/2024 12:32:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Thor]
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Posted: 8/20/2024 4:03:13 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Thor: I forgot I had a pic of me shouldering this thing. Its so freaking small. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/66797/tDEAchn_png-3299380.JPG @Thor Is that the JAKL upper on a bullpup lower thingy? I saw you add the pic earlier in the thread, but don’t recall seeing a response to the question of it running on a standard lower or something else. Details, if you please, kind sir. |
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Posted: 8/20/2024 4:40:56 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94: @Thor Is that the JAKL upper on a bullpup lower thingy? I saw you add the pic earlier in the thread, but don’t recall seeing a response to the question of it running on a standard lower or something else. Details, if you please, kind sir. It is an SBR'd milspec AR lower inside and A3 Tactical Chassis. Upper is a Foxtrot Mike Gen2 FM15. |
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Posted: 8/20/2024 6:32:28 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Thor: It is an SBR'd milspec AR lower inside and A3 Tactical Chassis. Upper is a Foxtrot Mike Gen2 FM15. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Thor: Originally Posted By towerofpower94: @Thor Is that the JAKL upper on a bullpup lower thingy? I saw you add the pic earlier in the thread, but don’t recall seeing a response to the question of it running on a standard lower or something else. Details, if you please, kind sir. It is an SBR'd milspec AR lower inside and A3 Tactical Chassis. Upper is a Foxtrot Mike Gen2 FM15. Titties Thanks |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 12:31:29 PM EDT
[#50]
Anti archive bump.
If Trump wins and the left doesnt go full retard a PS90 might be my post election celebration buy. In the meantime its all ammo, water purification, food, comms etc….
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