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I did some shooting this Saturday, mostly shooting pistols offhand and one 11.5" AR pistol I brought along to zero. I haven't shot pistols in a long while and was reminded pretty brutally how important a perfect trigger press is, especially at range. P365 with dot was hard to make consistent hits on a 10" gong at 35yds or more due to the small grip and heavier trigger tending to let my trigger press move the muzzle off to the side. I had to really death grip the thing and focus on a smooth slow trigger press to make good hits. Meanwhile my 9mm Dan Wesson 1911 could make consistent hits at 50yds with fairly minimal effort. AR pistol could do it without even trying.
Lessons: high-end 1911s are really good, even better than a tricked-out Beretta 92 AR pistol (and presumably anything with that extra point of contact) is much easier to make consistent hits with at range. I kind of knew that, but it was still eye-opening to see the degree of superiority of a short braced gun over pistols. I want that flux 365 brace |
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The Folding Frugal Ferret/Magpul SL-M Review (Pt2) Frugal Ferret 2.0 now folds. A very compact little package and very pleasant to shoot. |
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Originally Posted By bluedog82: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqNk5hcfopI Frugal Ferret 2.0 now folds. A very compact little package and very pleasant to shoot. View Quote This your YouTube channel or something you found? |
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Originally Posted By Aimless: You're calling each other names at 8 on a sunday in a thread about ancient rome. smiley_freak.gif
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Originally Posted By CFletch: I did some shooting this Saturday, mostly shooting pistols offhand and one 11.5" AR pistol I brought along to zero. I haven't shot pistols in a long while and was reminded pretty brutally how important a perfect trigger press is, especially at range. P365 with dot was hard to make consistent hits on a 10" gong at 35yds or more due to the small grip and heavier trigger tending to let my trigger press move the muzzle off to the side. I had to really death grip the thing and focus on a smooth slow trigger press to make good hits. Meanwhile my 9mm Dan Wesson 1911 could make consistent hits at 50yds with fairly minimal effort. AR pistol could do it without even trying. Lessons: high-end 1911s are really good, even better than a tricked-out Beretta 92 I want that flux 365 brace View Quote A good trigger, heavy weight to hold steady, and comfortable grips leads to shooting 1911s well. Carrying them sucks though. I’m seeing the Flux brace for $2k or more (without the gun) on the secondary. I’m not even tempted to list mine, that’s how much I like it. |
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Originally Posted By steviesterno16: A good trigger, heavy weight to hold steady, and comfortable grips leads to shooting 1911s well. Carrying them sucks though. I'm seeing the Flux brace for $2k or more (without the gun) on the secondary. I'm not even tempted to list mine, that's how much I like it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By steviesterno16: Originally Posted By CFletch: I did some shooting this Saturday, mostly shooting pistols offhand and one 11.5" AR pistol I brought along to zero. I haven't shot pistols in a long while and was reminded pretty brutally how important a perfect trigger press is, especially at range. P365 with dot was hard to make consistent hits on a 10" gong at 35yds or more due to the small grip and heavier trigger tending to let my trigger press move the muzzle off to the side. I had to really death grip the thing and focus on a smooth slow trigger press to make good hits. Meanwhile my 9mm Dan Wesson 1911 could make consistent hits at 50yds with fairly minimal effort. AR pistol could do it without even trying. Lessons: high-end 1911s are really good, even better than a tricked-out Beretta 92 I want that flux 365 brace A good trigger, heavy weight to hold steady, and comfortable grips leads to shooting 1911s well. Carrying them sucks though. I'm seeing the Flux brace for $2k or more (without the gun) on the secondary. I'm not even tempted to list mine, that's how much I like it. |
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Originally Posted By Aimless: You're calling each other names at 8 on a sunday in a thread about ancient rome. smiley_freak.gif
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I am a big proponent of the PDW concept and have a strong belief that carrying of a very small weapon with three points of contact and an optic is a dramatic force multiplier over a handgun, even if the caliber is not on par with a rifle round. I still think there's a strong case to be made for the MP5k and APC9k/GHM9k/TP9 (the B&Ts offer more modern features like last round bolt hold), but the AR9, even if tuned, is still too jumpy, as are some direct blowback systems like the Scorpion. One thing I tested this weekend (300 rounds) was a Matador Arms MAT9-K on a Foxtrot Mike polymer hybrid lower that feeds from Glock mags. I am not a huge fan of PCCs that take Glock mags, but this build was meant to be light and self contained. Why self contained? The Foxtrot lower allows a spare mag to be carried in the pistol grip so, if you chose to, you can run a 50-round drum and keep a backup 24-rounder in the grip or two 24-rounders, which is what I do. The gun cycled perfectly, and once I sited in the prism optic, shot like a laser. There is no need for a receiver extension - you can run anything you want on the back.
So, the Matador/FM build works well, but the benefit is that it is very inexpensive and reliable. The uppers can be found for under $400 and the FM lower can be found for under $175. So while I'd like to keep my trusty APC9k or SP5k-PDW on me, I not fund myself wanting something a little cheaper that I can toss into a laptop bag and though in the car. I'm not worried about it getting banged around or stolen (though that would suck). More to the point, it is sub-5lbs and works nearly as well as my other PDWs in 9mm. It's certainly better than either of my Scorpions... |
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Hate to be the wet blanket, but one of the things that sucked the worst from my burglary was wondering who was going to get killed with all of the perfectly set up weapons I lost. A car is much more likely to be broken into than a house, I wouldn’t leave a gun in one unless you have the means to securely lock it up.
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Originally Posted By TheOtherDave: Hate to be the wet blanket, but one of the things that sucked the worst from my burglary was wondering who was going to get killed with all of the perfectly set up weapons I lost. A car is much more likely to be broken into than a house, I wouldn’t leave a gun in one unless you have the means to securely lock it up. View Quote Only had one car break in, and thankfully it was over night in front of my house with nothing of value in it. I share your worries, which is why I tend to prefer as small, light and portable as possible so it comes with me. Depending on where I’m going, how long, whos with me etc I tend to opt for just carrying a pistol if I’m going to be stuck leaving a pdw behind in a car. |
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Originally Posted By Aimless: You're calling each other names at 8 on a sunday in a thread about ancient rome. smiley_freak.gif
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Originally Posted By TheOtherDave: Hate to be the wet blanket, but one of the things that sucked the worst from my burglary was wondering who was going to get killed with all of the perfectly set up weapons I lost. A car is much more likely to be broken into than a house, I wouldn’t leave a gun in one unless you have the means to securely lock it up. View Quote That is a big part of why I went from "truck/trunk gun" to "backpack gun". It has to be something that I can easily and discreetly transport in and out of the house. That led to me realizing that I'm not going to be carrying abound a backpack gun AND a CCW. If where I'm going is so sketchy that I feel I need to be armed like that, I should probably avoid that area. If I have a backpack gun in my vehicle (elevated risk type situation), then the key word there is "vehicle". My best weapon is a heavy dose of skinny pedal to unass said area. If stuff is so bad that I'm outgunned while with my vehicle AND my CCW, I clearly have terrible luck AND made terrible choices along the way. |
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Originally Posted By TheOtherDave: Hate to be the wet blanket, but one of the things that sucked the worst from my burglary was wondering who was going to get killed with all of the perfectly set up weapons I lost. A car is much more likely to be broken into than a house, I wouldn't leave a gun in one unless you have the means to securely lock it up. View Quote I've long since learned to leave my car/truck sans anything of value. Always. |
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Originally Posted By 74novaman: Depending on where I’m going, how long, whos with me etc I tend to opt for just carrying a pistol if I’m going to be stuck leaving a pdw behind in a car. View Quote To expand on this, even though I started this thread, I’m mostly rocking just the ccw. I’d be a j frame and flip flops guy if the world wasnt so fucky, but it is so its semi auto and a reload. For me the threads intent is to figure out how to use and conceal a pdw if things get worse. Better to do all the learning/trial and error now while things arent on fire. |
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Originally Posted By Aimless: You're calling each other names at 8 on a sunday in a thread about ancient rome. smiley_freak.gif
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Originally Posted By 74novaman: To expand on this, even though I started this thread, I’m mostly rocking just the ccw. I’d be a j frame and flip flops guy if the world wasnt so fucky, but it is so its semi auto and a reload. For me the threads intent is to figure out how to use and conceal a pdw if things get worse. Better to do all the learning/trial and error now while things arent on fire. View Quote This is why I’m so gay for handgun sized pistols that have integrated stocks like the USW-A1, Flux Raider P365 chassis, etc. and to a lesser extent “midi” sized chassis like the USW-G, Recover 20/20’s etc. The USW’s are truly like little rifles (Especailly the USW-G with a BDC prism scope) rather than flexy/mushy conversions, even if those conversions are both affordable and effective. I’d love to have a conjugal visit with a P365 Flux Raider setup…. The gun you actually have on you beats the one you left in the car or in the safe Every. Single. Time. |
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Related to my flip flops and j frame comment, I shot some sporting clays today to knock the rust off before a charity shoot next month.
Man. I wish time wasnt limited and I didnt have other stuff I needed to work on because man. Busting clays is beyond fun. Havent done it in at least a year and I had a blast. |
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Originally Posted By Aimless: You're calling each other names at 8 on a sunday in a thread about ancient rome. smiley_freak.gif
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As @Old_Painless says ... "Shooting stuff is fun!"
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you guys are obvious shills for the PSA industrial complex.
ya made me get an 8 1/2 300bo upper and damn- i didn't actually understand what a PDW was til now. pistols are pistols and rifles and rifles except for this thing, it makes things blurry. |
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Anyone know which Super safety is Stribog SP45A3 compatible?
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Originally Posted By iveseenalittleontv: ya made me get an 8 1/2 300bo upper and damn- i didn't actually understand what a PDW was til now. pistols are pistols and rifles and rifles except for this thing, it makes things blurry. View Quote Yep, sub 9" 300blk ARs, especially with a folder start making things look a little different. In a different PDW thread someone was dismissive and said an underfolder AK is just as good as any PDW option. I keep meaning to drag mine out of the safe and take some size comparison pictures, because....yeah....that guy hasn't handled a Rattler. |
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Originally Posted By Aimless: You're calling each other names at 8 on a sunday in a thread about ancient rome. smiley_freak.gif
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Originally Posted By 74novaman: Yep, sub 9" 300blk ARs, especially with a folder start making things look a little different. In a different PDW thread someone was dismissive and said an underfolder AK is just as good as any PDW option. I keep meaning to drag mine out of the safe and take some size comparison pictures, because....yeah....that guy hasn't handled a Rattler. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 74novaman: Originally Posted By iveseenalittleontv: ya made me get an 8 1/2 300bo upper and damn- i didn't actually understand what a PDW was til now. pistols are pistols and rifles and rifles except for this thing, it makes things blurry. Yep, sub 9" 300blk ARs, especially with a folder start making things look a little different. In a different PDW thread someone was dismissive and said an underfolder AK is just as good as any PDW option. I keep meaning to drag mine out of the safe and take some size comparison pictures, because....yeah....that guy hasn't handled a Rattler. i was the same with my draco, figured i couldn't do any better. it's amazing what a few inches and a few pounds difference makes. even a little difference in width. |
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Originally Posted By iveseenalittleontv: you guys are obvious shills for the PSA industrial complex. ya made me get an 8 1/2 300bo upper and damn- i didn't actually understand what a PDW was til now. pistols are pistols and rifles and rifles except for this thing, it makes things blurry. View Quote Blurry indeed. Attached File |
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Talked to a guy I trust re: AR variants. He said that x39 is not no way never no how reliable in an AR platform. I kinda believe him, I also kinda don’t because Sig, Robinson, and Maxim all have AR-ish platform weapons in that caliber. He said the magazines are the downfall and can’t be made to work right.
Anyone with expertise on an AR pistol in x39? Of you tell me it can’t be made reliable, I’ll build the expensive folding 300BLK pistol of my dreams. |
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Originally Posted By Aimless: You're calling each other names at 8 on a sunday in a thread about ancient rome. smiley_freak.gif
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Originally Posted By JaredGrey: Talked to a guy I trust re: AR variants. He said that x39 is not no way never no how reliable in an AR platform. I kinda believe him, I also kinda don’t because Sig, Robinson, and Maxim all have AR-ish platform weapons in that caliber. He said the magazines are the downfall and can’t be made to work right. Anyone with expertise on an AR pistol in x39? Of you tell me it can’t be made reliable, I’ll build the expensive folding 300BLK pistol of my dreams. View Quote The guy you trust isn’t to be trusted. They’re not as plug and play as a 5.56, but I have a 7” x39 upper that I’ve run suppressed on my M16 with decade old 28rd CPD mags in full auto and they’ve never skipped a beat. That said, not all lowers, uppers, and mags are created equal. Test your shit. Just like you should for any weapon you’d trust your life to. |
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Originally Posted By Aimless: You're calling each other names at 8 on a sunday in a thread about ancient rome. smiley_freak.gif
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Originally Posted By 74novaman: I tried to like the 3x prism on the rattler. But pdws are best set up as dot guns. Back to basics. https://i.imgur.com/ckgzisI.jpeg View Quote I absolutely love my TA44, but I only have it on my 14.5. My short stuff all just have red dots. |
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Originally Posted By JaredGrey: Talked to a guy I trust re: AR variants. He said that x39 is not no way never no how reliable in an AR platform. I kinda believe him, I also kinda don't because Sig, Robinson, and Maxim all have AR-ish platform weapons in that caliber. He said the magazines are the downfall and can't be made to work right. Anyone with expertise on an AR pistol in x39? Of you tell me it can't be made reliable, I'll build the expensive folding 300BLK pistol of my dreams. View Quote PSA makes an AK magazine receiver set. It needs both proprietary upper and lower receivers, and a proprietary bolt carrier. I didn't do my homework when I bought the lower, and still haven't bought the right BCG for it. Moved on to other projects. |
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Shot my Flux Raider on Saturday. It ran fine unsuppressed, and I got a 25 yard zero with my Acro.
The big issue was that when I mounted my Rugged Obsidian on it (with Nielsen device), the gun would not cycle. About 50% of the time if would short cycle, and the rest of the time the fired case was still in the chamber. Not sure what is going on. I have a smaller and lighter AAC EVO9 CQC that I might try next time. ETA: Ammo was Blazer Brass 115 gr FMJ. |
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Originally Posted By 74novaman: I tried to like the 3x prism on the rattler. But pdws are best set up as dot guns. Back to basics. https://i.imgur.com/ckgzisI.jpeg View Quote Yeah, I've gotten some range time over the past month with the PA microprism 1x, 2x & 3x. Reticle is just too busy for short range work. I've reverted back to plain dots at this point. Waiting on an SRO for my PCC. Running AEMS and a 510C with just the dot. Looking around for a duty grade dot larger than 2MOA. |
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Tom Sawyer.
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never underestimate the stupidity of other people
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I’ve actually listed my Glock flux for sale locally in ga. The economy is not amazing around here so trying to thin out some stuff.
Attached File And as much as I love the 365 version I may list that for sale too. Shame I just got a bnib macro and a bunch of mags for it, but I need bills paid more than I need this many PDWs :-/ Attached File |
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Originally Posted By JaredGrey: Talked to a guy I trust re: AR variants. He said that x39 is not no way never no how reliable in an AR platform. I kinda believe him, I also kinda don’t because Sig, Robinson, and Maxim all have AR-ish platform weapons in that caliber. He said the magazines are the downfall and can’t be made to work right. Anyone with expertise on an AR pistol in x39? Of you tell me it can’t be made reliable, I’ll build the expensive folding 300BLK pistol of my dreams. View Quote Robinson designed his rifle expressly to be an interchangeable caliber rifle and as a result has a completely different bolt and barrel extension than an AR15 based gun. It’s literally a “hotdog down a hallway proposition into the chamber and the bolt hasn’t been weakened to accommodate larger care diameters like 7.62x39. The XCR doesn’t get nearly the recognition it should. |
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Originally Posted By MikeDeltaFoxtrot: Shot my Flux Raider on Saturday. It ran fine unsuppressed, and I got a 25 yard zero with my Acro. The big issue was that when I mounted my Rugged Obsidian on it (with Nielsen device), the gun would not cycle. About 50% of the time if would short cycle, and the rest of the time the fired case was still in the chamber. Not sure what is going on. I have a smaller and lighter AAC EVO9 CQC that I might try next time. ETA: Ammo was Blazer Brass 115 gr FMJ. View Quote Theres a big list on the flux site of various combos people have tried. Suppressing the Raider can be tricky. In general, lighter cans, hotter ammo, compact slides instead of full size or dpm spring kits seems to help. |
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Originally Posted By Aimless: You're calling each other names at 8 on a sunday in a thread about ancient rome. smiley_freak.gif
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Originally Posted By tortilla-flats: Yeah, I've gotten some range time over the past month with the PA microprism 1x, 2x & 3x. Reticle is just too busy for short range work. I've reverted back to plain dots at this point. Waiting on an SRO for my PCC. Running AEMS and a 510C with just the dot. Looking around for a duty grade dot larger than 2MOA. View Quote Wanted to love it to make the Rattler more of a do it all gun. But it sacrifices too much up close without helping all that much past 200 so….dot-a-bunga. |
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Originally Posted By Aimless: You're calling each other names at 8 on a sunday in a thread about ancient rome. smiley_freak.gif
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Originally Posted By steviesterno16: I’ve actually listed my Glock flux for sale locally in ga. The economy is not amazing around here so trying to thin out some stuff. View Quote Pdws are cool. Being financially responsible is cooler. Sorry things are tough. Do what you need to do to take care of family and everything else sorts itself out. |
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Originally Posted By Aimless: You're calling each other names at 8 on a sunday in a thread about ancient rome. smiley_freak.gif
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Originally Posted By steviesterno16: I’ve actually listed my Glock flux for sale locally in ga. The economy is not amazing around here so trying to thin out some stuff. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/455820/IMG_7756_jpeg-3330183.JPG And as much as I love the 365 version I may list that for sale too. Shame I just got a bnib macro and a bunch of mags for it, but I need bills paid more than I need this many PDWs :-/ https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/455820/IMG_7754_jpeg-3330185.JPG View Quote @steviesterno16 where in Ga you at? |
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What’s small and light enough it will fit in a gym bag, with my gym stuff, ideally it also fits in my center console of my gx.
Am I basically looking at only a braced pistol like the flux? |
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Originally Posted By billth777: What’s small and light enough it will fit in a gym bag, with my gym stuff, ideally it also fits in my center console of my gx. Am I basically looking at only a braced pistol like the flux? View Quote How big is the center console? Cuz you’re probably limiting yourself to the Flux or that B&T thing that criteria. Gym bag carry gets you a lot more. MP5, Stribog, Scorpion, short AR pistol like the Maxim Defense MDX, Jakyl folding brace model, CMMG Dissent, like that. |
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You guys are killing me- you've got me looking at .300s again and there are so many barrel choices it's driving me nuts. It looks like around 8" is popular if you're going to run it suppressed most of the time.
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Originally Posted By JaredGrey: How big is the center console? Cuz you’re probably limiting yourself to the Flux or that B&T thing that criteria. Gym bag carry gets you a lot more. MP5, Stribog, Scorpion, short AR pistol like the Maxim Defense MDX, Jakyl folding brace model, CMMG Dissent, like that. View Quote however big a gx460 console is. |
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Originally Posted By chase45: Fits in a backpack https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/161977/20240918_190945_jpg-3330133.JPG View Quote Looks like a semi-automatic flashbang. With shit ergos! I’m saddened, but not surprised that so many folks have issues with suppressors on chassis pistols. Anyone tried scaling back to micro cans, even the ones that use wipes? Sucks to need a dedicated, sub-optimal can, but better than what’s available for the TP9, the 17 ounce B&T Chungus. |
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Originally Posted By billth777: What’s small and light enough it will fit in a gym bag, with my gym stuff, ideally it also fits in my center console of my gx. Am I basically looking at only a braced pistol like the flux? View Quote @billith777 I drive a gx 460. Fluxed brace Glock and Sig 365 fit in the center console and glove box. Not much else will and my rattler isn’t even close. |
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Originally Posted By steviesterno16: @billith777 I drive a gx 460. Fluxed brace Glock and Sig 365 fit in the center console and glove box. Not much else will and my rattler isn’t even close. View Quote I wanted initially to fit my sbs in the rear hatch pocket but it’s smaller than it looks. |
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Originally Posted By billth777: I wanted initially to fit my sbs in the rear hatch pocket but it’s smaller than it looks. View Quote @billth777 the problem with back there is the depth. I can tell you it will exactly fit a 10/22 in a magpul takedown stock. Even has those straps to make it easy. Pretty sure it would work with a Ruger pcc version but don’t have one to try. |
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Originally Posted By JaredGrey: Talked to a guy I trust re: AR variants. He said that x39 is not no way never no how reliable in an AR platform. I kinda believe him, I also kinda don’t because Sig, Robinson, and Maxim all have AR-ish platform weapons in that caliber. He said the magazines are the downfall and can’t be made to work right. Anyone with expertise on an AR pistol in x39? Of you tell me it can’t be made reliable, I’ll build the expensive folding 300BLK pistol of my dreams. View Quote I have done several pistols, rifles, pdws, and sbrs. x39 is one of my favorite calibers. Duramag magazines are awesome and have been flawless in my BREN2, BRN-180, POF Puritan, PWS MK-116, MK-111, and several home brews. It all comes down to setting the gas system up correctly with the right buffer, spring weight, to gas port size and length. |
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Originally Posted By D_Man: Yep, it's based on the prototype Digital Nimbus Invader PDW, that I modified a good bit because his final version ended up being to "space gun" for my tastes. Uses gen 3 Glock 17 parts as the basis. View Quote @D_Man Where can an interested party find the file for that? Loving the look of it. |
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