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Posted: 9/11/2024 6:46:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: So to the point of my stance, the kid and his dad were interviewed by LE over his threats to commit mass murder. The dad knew. And then the dad bought him an AR. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR: It was kicked down to the Jackson County Sheriff's Office So to the point of my stance, the kid and his dad were interviewed by LE over his threats to commit mass murder. The dad knew. And then the dad bought him an AR. To be fair though the cops weren't sure and said it could have been someone else. They weren't even sure of the timeline of when the threats were made. Sounds like the kind of thing that could be easily be asked of the wrong person. Seems easy to have serious doubts about the whole thing. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 6:46:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: You're assuming the father believed his son had done that. There's evidence that he didn't. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By right_rudder: Dad got it for him for Christmas Thanks. I'll stand by previous posts. Negligent homicide charge for the father. 25 years in prison should do it. Seems like a pretty slippery slope. Why does it matter if the dad bought the gun for Christmas vs any other time of year? I got a youth model 870 for my twelfth birthday. I know tons of people in real life, and on this forum, that have bought their kids their first gun. How is this father any more guilty than any other parent of a criminal? Did you threaten to shoot up a school right before it was purchased for you? Context matters. We should not be covering for criminally irresponsible behavior. You're assuming the father believed his son had done that. There's evidence that he didn't. I saw the police interview and it was obvious they were both lying. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 6:48:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: I saw the police interview and it was obvious they were both lying. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By right_rudder: Dad got it for him for Christmas Thanks. I'll stand by previous posts. Negligent homicide charge for the father. 25 years in prison should do it. Seems like a pretty slippery slope. Why does it matter if the dad bought the gun for Christmas vs any other time of year? I got a youth model 870 for my twelfth birthday. I know tons of people in real life, and on this forum, that have bought their kids their first gun. How is this father any more guilty than any other parent of a criminal? Did you threaten to shoot up a school right before it was purchased for you? Context matters. We should not be covering for criminally irresponsible behavior. You're assuming the father believed his son had done that. There's evidence that he didn't. I saw the police interview and it was obvious they were both lying. How was it obvious the father was lying ? What did he lie about, I highly doubt he knew about the online threat in advance. The son wouldn't have told him. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 6:48:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: It looks like I was mistaken. Interviewed by the Georgia police after the FBI received the tips of his threats? Is that accurate? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR: No one was interviewed by the FBI. It looks like I was mistaken. Interviewed by the Georgia police after the FBI received the tips of his threats? Is that accurate? The body cam of the interview is in this thread. I didn’t watch the whole thing but it is pretty clear that dad and kid were both lying trash. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 6:50:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wyomingnick: How was it obvious the father was lying ? What did he lie about, I highly doubt he knew about the online threat in advance. The son wouldn't have told him. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wyomingnick: Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By right_rudder: Dad got it for him for Christmas Thanks. I'll stand by previous posts. Negligent homicide charge for the father. 25 years in prison should do it. Seems like a pretty slippery slope. Why does it matter if the dad bought the gun for Christmas vs any other time of year? I got a youth model 870 for my twelfth birthday. I know tons of people in real life, and on this forum, that have bought their kids their first gun. How is this father any more guilty than any other parent of a criminal? Did you threaten to shoot up a school right before it was purchased for you? Context matters. We should not be covering for criminally irresponsible behavior. You're assuming the father believed his son had done that. There's evidence that he didn't. I saw the police interview and it was obvious they were both lying. How was it obvious the father was lying ? What did he lie about, I highly doubt he knew about the online threat in advance. The son wouldn't have told him. Did you watch the interview? |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 6:52:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wyomingnick: To be fair though the cops weren't sure and said it could have been someone else. They weren't even sure of the timeline of when the threats were made. Sounds like the kind of thing that could be easily be asked of the wrong person. Seems easy to have serious doubts about the whole thing. I think the local cops didn't really understand what they had been given by the FBI. The FBI had the IP address that put the posts at where they lived at the time. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 7:00:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: I saw the police interview and it was obvious they were both lying. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By right_rudder: Dad got it for him for Christmas Thanks. I'll stand by previous posts. Negligent homicide charge for the father. 25 years in prison should do it. Seems like a pretty slippery slope. Why does it matter if the dad bought the gun for Christmas vs any other time of year? I got a youth model 870 for my twelfth birthday. I know tons of people in real life, and on this forum, that have bought their kids their first gun. How is this father any more guilty than any other parent of a criminal? Did you threaten to shoot up a school right before it was purchased for you? Context matters. We should not be covering for criminally irresponsible behavior. You're assuming the father believed his son had done that. There's evidence that he didn't. I saw the police interview and it was obvious they were both lying. It's obvious that not everybody shares your opinion. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 7:00:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Did you watch the interview? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By wyomingnick: Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By right_rudder: Dad got it for him for Christmas Thanks. I'll stand by previous posts. Negligent homicide charge for the father. 25 years in prison should do it. Seems like a pretty slippery slope. Why does it matter if the dad bought the gun for Christmas vs any other time of year? I got a youth model 870 for my twelfth birthday. I know tons of people in real life, and on this forum, that have bought their kids their first gun. How is this father any more guilty than any other parent of a criminal? Did you threaten to shoot up a school right before it was purchased for you? Context matters. We should not be covering for criminally irresponsible behavior. You're assuming the father believed his son had done that. There's evidence that he didn't. I saw the police interview and it was obvious they were both lying. How was it obvious the father was lying ? What did he lie about, I highly doubt he knew about the online threat in advance. The son wouldn't have told him. Did you watch the interview? Yes. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 7:01:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: It's obvious that not everybody shares your opinion. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By right_rudder: Dad got it for him for Christmas Thanks. I'll stand by previous posts. Negligent homicide charge for the father. 25 years in prison should do it. Seems like a pretty slippery slope. Why does it matter if the dad bought the gun for Christmas vs any other time of year? I got a youth model 870 for my twelfth birthday. I know tons of people in real life, and on this forum, that have bought their kids their first gun. How is this father any more guilty than any other parent of a criminal? Did you threaten to shoot up a school right before it was purchased for you? Context matters. We should not be covering for criminally irresponsible behavior. You're assuming the father believed his son had done that. There's evidence that he didn't. I saw the police interview and it was obvious they were both lying. It's obvious that not everybody shares your opinion. They are clearly wrong. I can’t help that. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 7:01:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Emoto: I think the local cops didn't really understand what they had been given by the FBI. The FBI had the IP address that put the posts at where they lived at the time. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Emoto: Originally Posted By wyomingnick: To be fair though the cops weren't sure and said it could have been someone else. They weren't even sure of the timeline of when the threats were made. Sounds like the kind of thing that could be easily be asked of the wrong person. Seems easy to have serious doubts about the whole thing. I think the local cops didn't really understand what they had been given by the FBI. The FBI had the IP address that put the posts at where they lived at the time. Seems like they should have gotten a warrant for the electronic devices then to look through them. Unfortunately they didn't. The schools and the cops dropped the ball as much as dad did. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 7:02:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ClayHollisterTT]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wyomingnick: Yes. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wyomingnick: Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By wyomingnick: Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By right_rudder: Dad got it for him for Christmas Thanks. I'll stand by previous posts. Negligent homicide charge for the father. 25 years in prison should do it. Seems like a pretty slippery slope. Why does it matter if the dad bought the gun for Christmas vs any other time of year? I got a youth model 870 for my twelfth birthday. I know tons of people in real life, and on this forum, that have bought their kids their first gun. How is this father any more guilty than any other parent of a criminal? Did you threaten to shoot up a school right before it was purchased for you? Context matters. We should not be covering for criminally irresponsible behavior. You're assuming the father believed his son had done that. There's evidence that he didn't. I saw the police interview and it was obvious they were both lying. How was it obvious the father was lying ? What did he lie about, I highly doubt he knew about the online threat in advance. The son wouldn't have told him. Did you watch the interview? Yes. And you didn’t catch how deceptive they were being? ETA, are you guys the same guys that didn’t understand that dad was a gun guy earlier in the thread? I am not going to go back and check. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 7:02:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: They are clearly wrong. I can’t help that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By right_rudder: Dad got it for him for Christmas Thanks. I'll stand by previous posts. Negligent homicide charge for the father. 25 years in prison should do it. Seems like a pretty slippery slope. Why does it matter if the dad bought the gun for Christmas vs any other time of year? I got a youth model 870 for my twelfth birthday. I know tons of people in real life, and on this forum, that have bought their kids their first gun. How is this father any more guilty than any other parent of a criminal? Did you threaten to shoot up a school right before it was purchased for you? Context matters. We should not be covering for criminally irresponsible behavior. You're assuming the father believed his son had done that. There's evidence that he didn't. I saw the police interview and it was obvious they were both lying. It's obvious that not everybody shares your opinion. They are clearly wrong. I can’t help that. What do you feel dad lied about ? I'm not saying you are wrong, but kind of hard to prove it. I highly doubt he knew of the threats in advance. Who would have told him ? The kid ? Doubt that. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 7:03:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: And you didn’t catch how deceptive they were being? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By wyomingnick: Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By wyomingnick: Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By right_rudder: Dad got it for him for Christmas Thanks. I'll stand by previous posts. Negligent homicide charge for the father. 25 years in prison should do it. Seems like a pretty slippery slope. Why does it matter if the dad bought the gun for Christmas vs any other time of year? I got a youth model 870 for my twelfth birthday. I know tons of people in real life, and on this forum, that have bought their kids their first gun. How is this father any more guilty than any other parent of a criminal? Did you threaten to shoot up a school right before it was purchased for you? Context matters. We should not be covering for criminally irresponsible behavior. You're assuming the father believed his son had done that. There's evidence that he didn't. I saw the police interview and it was obvious they were both lying. How was it obvious the father was lying ? What did he lie about, I highly doubt he knew about the online threat in advance. The son wouldn't have told him. Did you watch the interview? Yes. And you didn’t catch how deceptive they were being? I guess not. I was a little preoccupied and listened more than I watched. The kid yes its easy to see he might be lying but not as obvious with the dad I don't think. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 7:06:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wyomingnick: What do you feel dad lied about ? I'm not saying you are wrong, but kind of hard to prove it. I highly doubt he knew of the threats in advance. Who would have told him ? The kid ? Doubt that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wyomingnick: Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By right_rudder: Dad got it for him for Christmas Thanks. I'll stand by previous posts. Negligent homicide charge for the father. 25 years in prison should do it. Seems like a pretty slippery slope. Why does it matter if the dad bought the gun for Christmas vs any other time of year? I got a youth model 870 for my twelfth birthday. I know tons of people in real life, and on this forum, that have bought their kids their first gun. How is this father any more guilty than any other parent of a criminal? Did you threaten to shoot up a school right before it was purchased for you? Context matters. We should not be covering for criminally irresponsible behavior. You're assuming the father believed his son had done that. There's evidence that he didn't. I saw the police interview and it was obvious they were both lying. It's obvious that not everybody shares your opinion. They are clearly wrong. I can’t help that. What do you feel dad lied about ? I'm not saying you are wrong, but kind of hard to prove it. I highly doubt he knew of the threats in advance. Who would have told him ? The kid ? Doubt that. He knew the kid had massive problems and he knew right away that the kid made the threats. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 7:08:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wyomingnick: I guess not. I was a little preoccupied and listened more than I watched. The kid yes its easy to see he might be lying but not as obvious with the dad I don't think. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wyomingnick: Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By wyomingnick: Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By wyomingnick: Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By right_rudder: Dad got it for him for Christmas Thanks. I'll stand by previous posts. Negligent homicide charge for the father. 25 years in prison should do it. Seems like a pretty slippery slope. Why does it matter if the dad bought the gun for Christmas vs any other time of year? I got a youth model 870 for my twelfth birthday. I know tons of people in real life, and on this forum, that have bought their kids their first gun. How is this father any more guilty than any other parent of a criminal? Did you threaten to shoot up a school right before it was purchased for you? Context matters. We should not be covering for criminally irresponsible behavior. You're assuming the father believed his son had done that. There's evidence that he didn't. I saw the police interview and it was obvious they were both lying. How was it obvious the father was lying ? What did he lie about, I highly doubt he knew about the online threat in advance. The son wouldn't have told him. Did you watch the interview? Yes. And you didn’t catch how deceptive they were being? I guess not. I was a little preoccupied and listened more than I watched. The kid yes its easy to see he might be lying but not as obvious with the dad I don't think. Right off the bat the dad knew there was a big problem with the kid and tried to downplay it. I don’t blame him for trying to protect his kid, I do blame him for arming his kid after that interview. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 7:10:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Kingdead]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wyomingnick: To be fair though the cops weren't sure and said it could have been someone else. They weren't even sure of the timeline of when the threats were made. Sounds like the kind of thing that could be easily be asked of the wrong person. Seems easy to have serious doubts about the whole thing. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 7:12:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wyomingnick: To be fair though the cops weren't sure and said it could have been someone else. They weren't even sure of the timeline of when the threats were made. Sounds like the kind of thing that could be easily be asked of the wrong person. Seems easy to have serious doubts about the whole thing. That is reason enough to take a serious look at your kid, and lock up every firearm in the house. Not to buy your 14 year old an AR. Negligent homicide for the father. 25 years. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 7:12:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: The body cam of the interview is in this thread. I didn’t watch the whole thing but it is pretty clear that dad and kid were both lying trash. I’m sure they are. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 7:13:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: That is reason enough to take a serious look at your kid, and lock up every firearm in the house. Not to buy your 14 year old an AR. Negligent homicide for the father. 25 years. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 7:13:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Right off the bat the dad knew there was a big problem with the kid and tried to downplay it. I don’t blame him for trying to protect his kid, I do blame him for arming his kid after that interview. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By wyomingnick: Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By wyomingnick: Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By wyomingnick: Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By right_rudder: Dad got it for him for Christmas Thanks. I'll stand by previous posts. Negligent homicide charge for the father. 25 years in prison should do it. Seems like a pretty slippery slope. Why does it matter if the dad bought the gun for Christmas vs any other time of year? I got a youth model 870 for my twelfth birthday. I know tons of people in real life, and on this forum, that have bought their kids their first gun. How is this father any more guilty than any other parent of a criminal? Did you threaten to shoot up a school right before it was purchased for you? Context matters. We should not be covering for criminally irresponsible behavior. You're assuming the father believed his son had done that. There's evidence that he didn't. I saw the police interview and it was obvious they were both lying. How was it obvious the father was lying ? What did he lie about, I highly doubt he knew about the online threat in advance. The son wouldn't have told him. Did you watch the interview? Yes. And you didn’t catch how deceptive they were being? I guess not. I was a little preoccupied and listened more than I watched. The kid yes its easy to see he might be lying but not as obvious with the dad I don't think. Right off the bat the dad knew there was a big problem with the kid and tried to downplay it. I don’t blame him for trying to protect his kid, I do blame him for arming his kid after that interview. Fair enough. He screwed up for sure. I'm watching the video again from the point the kid started talking. It would be interesting to hear the 3 mins when the one cop takes the dad away privately. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 7:22:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wyomingnick: Fair enough. He screwed up for sure. I'm watching the video again from the point the kid started talking. It would be interesting to hear the 3 mins when the one cop takes the dad away privately. What page is the interview on? I skipped a few dozen pages. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 7:22:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kingdead: I'd be happy if the victim's families were given 10 minutes with melee weapons in a room with the father and son. Whatever happens happens... Prison is the safest place for some people. Just sayin. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 7:23:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: What page is the interview on? I skipped a few dozen pages. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By wyomingnick: Fair enough. He screwed up for sure. I'm watching the video again from the point the kid started talking. It would be interesting to hear the 3 mins when the one cop takes the dad away privately. What page is the interview on? I skipped a few dozen pages. I don't know. I didn't watch it from a link through this thread. Saw it put up on youtube. But here it is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmlo0JRiy_s |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 7:24:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: What page is the interview on? I skipped a few dozen pages.  Body camera footage shows interview of Colt, Colin Gray on 2023 school shooting online threat Notice the following: 1) Bunch of unsolicited rambling from dad. 2) Kid swaying entire time. 3) Kid says he wants to be |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 8:17:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kingdead:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmlo0JRiy_sNotice the following: 1) Bunch of unsolicited rambling from dad. 2) Kid swaying entire time. 3) Kid says he wants to be Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kingdead: Originally Posted By Low_Country: What page is the interview on? I skipped a few dozen pages. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmlo0JRiy_sNotice the following: 1) Bunch of unsolicited rambling from dad. 2) Kid swaying entire time. 3) Kid says he wants to be I can accept #1, that dad knew the kid had issues, which is why buying him the AR, seems like a really poor choice. #2, and 3, though… Nervous people tend to do the shifting weight thing, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s because they’re lying. It’s also more common with kids on the spectrum. As for 3, while it’s not common, many kids are easily influenced by all sorts of stuff. Kid could’ve just been impressed by some Discovery channel program on ancient Philosophers etc., and jumped down the rabbit hole of the month. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 9:00:46 PM EDT
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1. I grew up in a gunsmith shop. I had unsupervised access to guns at any moment, from a very early age. We're not even talking about a parent buying me a gun, we're talking about people dropping off a gun and ammo with me, while my parents were at work, and I drilled and tapped it, mounted their scope, and sighted it in, years before I could drive.
2. The concept of liability flowing to a shitty parent that's kid committed a crime, after they set the stage by providing the means, is NOT new. I've been reading Bentham's commentary about codifying English Common Law from ~200 years ago. It is in there. 3. Georgia has overcharged the dad. All prosecutors overcharge, espicially on politically hot cases, then settle. Dad appears to be legit ripe to go down for some involuntary manslaughter. This is not a gun specific thing, the same thing would have happened with alcohol/car wreck 40 years ago. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 9:01:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/11/2024 9:04:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By p3590: 1. I grew up in a gunsmith shop. I had unsupervised access to guns at any moment, from a very early age. We're not even talking about a parent buying me a gun, we're talking about people dropping off a gun and ammo with me, while my parents were at work, and I drilled and tapped it, mounted their scope, and sighted it in, years before I could drive. 2. The concept of liability flowing to a shitty parent that's kid committed a crime, after they set the stage by providing the means, is NOT new. I've been reading Bentham's commentary about codifying English Common Law from ~200 years ago. It is in there. 3. Georgia has overcharged the dad. All prosecutors overcharge, espicially on politically hot cases, then settle. Dad appears to be legit ripe to go down for some involuntary manslaughter. This is not a gun specific thing, the same thing would have happened with alcohol/car wreck 40 years ago. I feel exactly the same about the shit mom who bought her 16 year old son a ridiculous sports car, despite knowing he had a habit of reckless 100+ mph driving, who then killed a kid. Involuntary manslaughter. 20 years in prison. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 11:30:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: They are clearly wrong. I can't help that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By right_rudder: Dad got it for him for Christmas Thanks. I'll stand by previous posts. Negligent homicide charge for the father. 25 years in prison should do it. Seems like a pretty slippery slope. Why does it matter if the dad bought the gun for Christmas vs any other time of year? I got a youth model 870 for my twelfth birthday. I know tons of people in real life, and on this forum, that have bought their kids their first gun. How is this father any more guilty than any other parent of a criminal? Did you threaten to shoot up a school right before it was purchased for you? Context matters. We should not be covering for criminally irresponsible behavior. You're assuming the father believed his son had done that. There's evidence that he didn't. I saw the police interview and it was obvious they were both lying. It's obvious that not everybody shares your opinion. They are clearly wrong. I can't help that. Good thing guys like you can insert your certainty into legal proceedings because you know so much mare than everybody else, then. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 11:30:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wyomingnick: Seems like they should have gotten a warrant for the electronic devices then to look through them. Unfortunately they didn't. The schools and the cops dropped the ball as much as dad did. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wyomingnick: Originally Posted By Emoto: Originally Posted By wyomingnick: To be fair though the cops weren't sure and said it could have been someone else. They weren't even sure of the timeline of when the threats were made. Sounds like the kind of thing that could be easily be asked of the wrong person. Seems easy to have serious doubts about the whole thing. I think the local cops didn't really understand what they had been given by the FBI. The FBI had the IP address that put the posts at where they lived at the time. Seems like they should have gotten a warrant for the electronic devices then to look through them. Unfortunately they didn't. The schools and the cops dropped the ball as much as dad did. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 12:14:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: It's obvious that not everybody shares your opinion. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 12:16:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: Or they could have asked. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: Originally Posted By wyomingnick: Originally Posted By Emoto: Originally Posted By wyomingnick: To be fair though the cops weren't sure and said it could have been someone else. They weren't even sure of the timeline of when the threats were made. Sounds like the kind of thing that could be easily be asked of the wrong person. Seems easy to have serious doubts about the whole thing. I think the local cops didn't really understand what they had been given by the FBI. The FBI had the IP address that put the posts at where they lived at the time. Seems like they should have gotten a warrant for the electronic devices then to look through them. Unfortunately they didn't. The schools and the cops dropped the ball as much as dad did. They should have at least asked. I bet they would have let them look. Probably wouldn't have found anything with a quick glance though. Probably would need a warrant to either seize the phone or copy the data. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 9/12/2024 10:31:00 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: I feel exactly the same about the shit mom who bought her 16 year old son a ridiculous sports car, despite knowing he had a habit of reckless 100+ mph driving, who then killed a kid. Involuntary manslaughter. 20 years in prison. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By p3590: 1. I grew up in a gunsmith shop. I had unsupervised access to guns at any moment, from a very early age. We're not even talking about a parent buying me a gun, we're talking about people dropping off a gun and ammo with me, while my parents were at work, and I drilled and tapped it, mounted their scope, and sighted it in, years before I could drive. 2. The concept of liability flowing to a shitty parent that's kid committed a crime, after they set the stage by providing the means, is NOT new. I've been reading Bentham's commentary about codifying English Common Law from ~200 years ago. It is in there. 3. Georgia has overcharged the dad. All prosecutors overcharge, espicially on politically hot cases, then settle. Dad appears to be legit ripe to go down for some involuntary manslaughter. This is not a gun specific thing, the same thing would have happened with alcohol/car wreck 40 years ago. I feel exactly the same about the shit mom who bought her 16 year old son a ridiculous sports car, despite knowing he had a habit of reckless 100+ mph driving, who then killed a kid. Involuntary manslaughter. 20 years in prison. That mom certainly has culpability. In this particular case, the dad at least has the interviewing SO telling him that they’re following up on the FBI tip linked to the old address, but they don’t know the timeline, and they haven’t positively tied the Discord account and specific posts to Colt (but knowing that his son had problems, still raises the question, “Why wouldn’t you restrict access to firearms, and monitor him more closely?”). That mom KNEW her son was an irresponsible danger to himself and others, and still chose to get him a faster vehicle. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 10:38:38 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 8nbait: Did you you threaten to shot up a school and ha dthe police come to your house to talk to your father? The police came to the fathers house months before he bought his son an AR-15 and told the father that his son had made a threat to shot up a school. The father assured the police that all firearms were secure and he son did not have access to them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 8nbait: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Seems like a pretty slippery slope. Why does it matter if the dad bought the gun for Christmas vs any other time of year? I got a youth model 870 for my twelfth birthday. I know tons of people in real life, and on this forum, that have bought their kids their first gun. How is this father any more guilty than any other parent of a criminal? Did you you threaten to shot up a school and ha dthe police come to your house to talk to your father? The police came to the fathers house months before he bought his son an AR-15 and told the father that his son had made a threat to shot up a school. The father assured the police that all firearms were secure and he son did not have access to them. No they didn't. They showed up and said that someone reported that the kid had made a threat to shoot up the school. Then they determined that they have no idea if the kid ever said that. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 10:39:06 AM EDT
[#35]
The dad requested to be removed from general population at the jail. I guess he is still in denial that he did anything wrong.
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MI, USA
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Posted: 9/12/2024 1:27:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bluemax_1]
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinSpinner: The dad requested to be removed from general population at the jail. I guess he is still in denial that he did anything wrong.  As I understand it, a request to be removed from gen-pop is more of a “I don’t wanna get jumped/shanked” |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 9/12/2024 1:55:58 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bluemax_1: As I understand it, a request to be removed from gen-pop is more of a “I don’t wanna get jumped/shanked” "I'd rather hang out with the chomos, gays, and AIDs/hepC population."  I wonder if the dad requested to be in the PC population or just solitary/adseg. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 2:04:26 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Emoto: I think the local cops didn't really understand what they had been given by the FBI. The FBI had the IP address that put the posts at where they lived at the time. ip addresses are not always useful. 99% of the time especially from mobile apps it will lead you to the provider with a device ID. these things are virtually impossible to prove in court with out other data to pin them down. you can say for certain "x" account made the post from "x" device at this time and date. you can't generally prove who typed it. more than once i have had these hit a dead end with... someone got my device when i went to the bathroom. without a history of issues and a verified track record a one off threat post is almost impossible to prosecute without a confession. a lot of people think this stuff is much easier than it generally is. it takes time to get warrants for data from the providers, apps may never even respond to one if they even have any data to report. by the time that is in place days to weeks have gone by and if there is going to be an event it's already happened. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 2:09:59 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: No they didn't. They showed up and said that someone reported that the kid had made a threat to shoot up the school. Then they determined that they have no idea if the kid ever said that. when i pass these off to local LE we give them a packet with all the relevant data including screen caps of the post and where it was posted. they would know exactly what app to review or if on social media it's already captured for them in the event it is scrubbed. i have no idea what these guys were given or told but the fbi is generally pretty good about supplying data for these cases IF they have it. it is also 100% possible the intel team validated a potential threat and just tossed it over the wall with "this kid posted this might wanna check it out." i have seen them provide really good complete data and i have also seen them end it with a phone call. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 9/12/2024 2:11:22 PM EDT
[#40]
"Say, we heard from someone that you or someone in your family sad something bad and you have guns. Can we come in and see them?" Some series of events are easier seen looking backwards, not forwards. GD doesn't like "Red flag" laws but school shootings! Not all troubled folks can be involuntary commits but maybe more careful and "aware" investigation of some early tips and signs. If there are a "high" level of nuisance calls about kids, guns, threats, schools, etc., a serious one might be hidden in the noise.
It seems likely family/parents aren't going to be an effective wall against "off" kids. Too close to the problem, don't see a problem, help cause the problems, etc. Teachers will say any questions you had about a student are answered when you meet the parents for your first conference. Parents/families intentionally or accidentally move troubled students from school to school either to avoid getting "the system" involvement or just through family dynamics the kid gets moved around. The child may not be in one place long enough for a school, the new school, etc., to quickly identify and begin dealing with potential problems. Maybe they feel the kid is bullied or not getting services and they move to try to get better results. Maybe a parent is failing, and the kids go to an aunt, job changes and under involved parents. No one is catching on quickly enough that the kid has problems, too. With roughly 50 million school students in the US, that's a lot of kids to sift through to find the few with really big problems. I'd think it really has to be approached on a local level, and the schools have more visibility butalso no one likely wants excessively intrusive school monitotring or all the students. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 9/12/2024 2:14:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ClayHollisterTT]
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: Good thing guys like you can insert your certainty into legal proceedings because you know so much mare than everybody else, then. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By right_rudder: Dad got it for him for Christmas Thanks. I'll stand by previous posts. Negligent homicide charge for the father. 25 years in prison should do it. Seems like a pretty slippery slope. Why does it matter if the dad bought the gun for Christmas vs any other time of year? I got a youth model 870 for my twelfth birthday. I know tons of people in real life, and on this forum, that have bought their kids their first gun. How is this father any more guilty than any other parent of a criminal? Did you threaten to shoot up a school right before it was purchased for you? Context matters. We should not be covering for criminally irresponsible behavior. You're assuming the father believed his son had done that. There's evidence that he didn't. I saw the police interview and it was obvious they were both lying. It's obvious that not everybody shares your opinion. They are clearly wrong. I can't help that. Good thing guys like you can insert your certainty into legal proceedings because you know so much mare than everybody else, then. Were you one of the guys pretending dad wasn’t a gun guy? ETA, this isn’t a court of law, it is a discussion forum where we post our opinions and observations. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 3:01:36 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer: ip addresses are not always useful. 99% of the time especially from mobile apps it will lead you to the provider with a device ID. these things are virtually impossible to prove in court with out other data to pin them down. you can say for certain "x" account made the post from "x" device at this time and date. you can't generally prove who typed it. more than once i have had these hit a dead end with... someone got my device when i went to the bathroom. without a history of issues and a verified track record a one off threat post is almost impossible to prosecute without a confession. a lot of people think this stuff is much easier than it generally is. it takes time to get warrants for data from the providers, apps may never even respond to one if they even have any data to report. by the time that is in place days to weeks have gone by and if there is going to be an event it's already happened. The description of generalities is interesting and good to know. However, there was no indication that the IP address in this case was tied to a mobile device. They said the IP indicated X physical address, and an email associated with the dad, if I am recalling what was said during the porch interview. Also, sometimes providers will give police data without a warrant; we don't know if these guys or the FBI even tried, do we? (I don't think we do and I don't think they did). |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 3:14:22 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Emoto: The description of generalities is interesting and good to know. However, there was no indication that the IP address in this case was tied to a mobile device. They said the IP indicated X physical address, and an email associated with the dad, if I am recalling what was said during the porch interview. Also, sometimes providers will give police data without a warrant; we don't know if these guys or the FBI even tried, do we? (I don't think we do and I don't think they did). i will just say what "they say" and what "they got" are often different things. most LE don't know the difference in an IP address and a sandwich. like i said i wasn't involved so have no clue what data they were given prior to the knock and talk. only going off what i see here on a regular basis. my suspicion is if the threat was deemed credible enough with enough positive ID paperwork would have been processed and analysts should have been crawling through those accounts. based on that interview i am going with none of that really happened on the backend. they didn't really have much to go on and they have to follow up on every report. thus... spoke with dad... case closed.. back in service. there are emergencies where providers will provide the data prior to the subpoena but they are rare and most major carries don't like doing it. it also has to meet some specific criteria which this did not appear to do so at that time. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 4:24:19 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer: i will just say what "they say" and what "they got" are often different things. most LE don't know the difference in an IP address and a sandwich. like i said i wasn't involved so have no clue what data they were given prior to the knock and talk. only going off what i see here on a regular basis. my suspicion is if the threat was deemed credible enough with enough positive ID paperwork would have been processed and analysts should have been crawling through those accounts. based on that interview i am going with none of that really happened on the backend. they didn't really have much to go on and they have to follow up on every report. thus... spoke with dad... case closed.. back in service. there are emergencies where providers will provide the data prior to the subpoena but they are rare and most major carries don't like doing it. it also has to meet some specific criteria which this did not appear to do so at that time. I agree with your 1st paragraph 100%. As for the rest, I would bet that we never find out. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 4:56:19 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Emoto: I agree with your 1st paragraph 100%. As for the rest, I would bet that we never find out. yea i read the fbi and state reports last week. details were pretty much non existent. very little actual information has been released yet. most of what is out there is speculation not facts so far. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 8:02:25 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Were you one of the guys pretending dad wasn't a gun guy? ETA, this isn't a court of law, it is a discussion forum where we post our opinions and observations. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By right_rudder: Dad got it for him for Christmas Thanks. I'll stand by previous posts. Negligent homicide charge for the father. 25 years in prison should do it. Seems like a pretty slippery slope. Why does it matter if the dad bought the gun for Christmas vs any other time of year? I got a youth model 870 for my twelfth birthday. I know tons of people in real life, and on this forum, that have bought their kids their first gun. How is this father any more guilty than any other parent of a criminal? Did you threaten to shoot up a school right before it was purchased for you? Context matters. We should not be covering for criminally irresponsible behavior. You're assuming the father believed his son had done that. There's evidence that he didn't. I saw the police interview and it was obvious they were both lying. It's obvious that not everybody shares your opinion. They are clearly wrong. I can't help that. Good thing guys like you can insert your certainty into legal proceedings because you know so much mare than everybody else, then. Were you one of the guys pretending dad wasn't a gun guy? ETA, this isn't a court of law, it is a discussion forum where we post our opinions and observations. I was not. I was one of the guys saying the dad wasn't necessarily a tech guy, and may not have believed his son made the threats. What I wasn't was one of the guys making categorical statements couched as fact. |
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Posted: 9/13/2024 12:39:15 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer: when i pass these off to local LE we give them a packet with all the relevant data including screen caps of the post and where it was posted. they would know exactly what app to review or if on social media it's already captured for them in the event it is scrubbed. i have no idea what these guys were given or told but the fbi is generally pretty good about supplying data for these cases IF they have it. it is also 100% possible the intel team validated a potential threat and just tossed it over the wall with "this kid posted this might wanna check it out." i have seen them provide really good complete data and i have also seen them end it with a phone call. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: No they didn't. They showed up and said that someone reported that the kid had made a threat to shoot up the school. Then they determined that they have no idea if the kid ever said that. when i pass these off to local LE we give them a packet with all the relevant data including screen caps of the post and where it was posted. they would know exactly what app to review or if on social media it's already captured for them in the event it is scrubbed. i have no idea what these guys were given or told but the fbi is generally pretty good about supplying data for these cases IF they have it. it is also 100% possible the intel team validated a potential threat and just tossed it over the wall with "this kid posted this might wanna check it out." i have seen them provide really good complete data and i have also seen them end it with a phone call. I wonder if the FBI stumbled upon these threats while operating in a gray area and couldn't disclose exactly how they found the posts. "Police then reviewed the FBI tip two days later and zeroed in on a Discord account created after Colt claimed to have deleted his that used several different IP addresses in different states. A photo attachment included with the tip showed the profile name was written in Russian and translated as “Lanza.” "Jackson County Sheriff Janis Mangum defended her department after she said she reviewed the report from last year and found nothing that could have led to charges." |
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SGP
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Posted: 9/13/2024 12:56:14 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Emoto: The boy constantly rocked side to side. Does that seem like normal behavior? |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 9/13/2024 1:21:17 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Oldgold: Add another one. Our small county closed school today due to a 14 year old threat on Tic Toc. Allegedly. 2 arrested in my area yesterday, 13 and 11 yo. The whole county was in a panic, with parents keeping kids home Thursday, including my wife. |
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Posted: 9/13/2024 1:57:29 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Flashover343: 2 arrested in my area yesterday, 13 and 11 yo. The whole county was in a panic, with parents keeping kids home Thursday, including my wife. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Flashover343: Originally Posted By Oldgold:Add another one. Our small county closed school today due to a 14 year old threat on Tic Toc. Allegedly. 2 arrested in my area yesterday, 13 and 11 yo. The whole county was in a panic, with parents keeping kids home Thursday, including my wife. |
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