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Posted: 9/10/2024 11:31:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
If true, the school needs to be held accountable also. They should have immediately gone and got the kid and escorted him to the office. |
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Posted: 9/10/2024 11:35:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Oldgold: Add another one. Our small county closed school today due to a 14 year old threat on Tic Toc. Allegedly. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Oldgold: Originally Posted By sabrev65: according to a reliable source... 12 kids have been arrested for threats this week Add another one. Our small county closed school today due to a 14 year old threat on Tic Toc. Allegedly. Good. These kids need to have their lives publicly flipped upside down. |
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Posted: 9/10/2024 11:37:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Oldgold: If true, the school needs to be held accountable also. They should have immediately gone and got the kid and escorted him to the office. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Oldgold: Originally Posted By Chokey:
If true, the school needs to be held accountable also. They should have immediately gone and got the kid and escorted him to the office. Was this the same call that said 5 schools would be shot up that day? Or did the mom call after that warning came in? |
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Posted: 9/10/2024 11:51:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Was this the same call that said 5 schools would be shot up that day? Or did the mom call after that warning came in? From this article: Washington Post (will not let me link for some reason) After this story was published online, Marcee Gray reached out to The Post to confirm the details in the texts and phone logs. She declined to elaborate on what had prompted her to call in the warning to the school, but said she had shared that information with law enforcement. She called the shooting “absolutely horrific” and expressed remorse for the students and parents affected. |
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Posted: 9/10/2024 12:09:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Oldgold: From this article: Washington Post (will not let me link for some reason) After this story was published online, Marcee Gray reached out to The Post to confirm the details in the texts and phone logs. She declined to elaborate on what had prompted her to call in the warning to the school, but said she had shared that information with law enforcement. She called the shooting “absolutely horrific” and expressed remorse for the students and parents affected. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Oldgold: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Was this the same call that said 5 schools would be shot up that day? Or did the mom call after that warning came in? From this article: Washington Post (will not let me link for some reason) After this story was published online, Marcee Gray reached out to The Post to confirm the details in the texts and phone logs. She declined to elaborate on what had prompted her to call in the warning to the school, but said she had shared that information with law enforcement. She called the shooting “absolutely horrific” and expressed remorse for the students and parents affected. Sounds like the school was warned twice that morning. |
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Posted: 9/10/2024 12:40:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Oldgold: From this article: Washington Post (will not let me link for some reason) After this story was published online, Marcee Gray reached out to The Post to confirm the details in the texts and phone logs. She declined to elaborate on what had prompted her to call in the warning to the school, but said she had shared that information with law enforcement. She called the shooting “absolutely horrific” and expressed remorse for the students and parents affected. Did they believe what she was saying, if it was specific, or did they chalk it up to Methany calling in actin crazy again? |
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Posted: 9/10/2024 1:11:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NCPatrolAR: Did they believe what she was saying, if it was specific, or did they chalk it up to Methany calling in actin crazy again? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NCPatrolAR: Originally Posted By Oldgold: From this article: Washington Post (will not let me link for some reason) After this story was published online, Marcee Gray reached out to The Post to confirm the details in the texts and phone logs. She declined to elaborate on what had prompted her to call in the warning to the school, but said she had shared that information with law enforcement. She called the shooting “absolutely horrific” and expressed remorse for the students and parents affected. Did they believe what she was saying, if it was specific, or did they chalk it up to Methany calling in actin crazy again? hard to trust much info from a meth addict |
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Posted: 9/10/2024 1:34:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Has anyone confirmed that the class door was open? The only place I’ve seen that stated was from the interview of the girl that was sitting next to him in class. She talks about him coming back to the door and a classmate refusing to open it, then she said ‘he realized we weren’t going to let him in so I guess he started shooting into the next class that was open.’ But all four deaths were from people in the hallway. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By bluemax_1: Originally Posted By SNAFU-M1A: If you read the story, the school admin went to his classroom to pull him out of class but he wasn't in there, he had left just minutes before. The kid with a similar name wasn't in the classroom either so they took that kids back pack. Shooter tried to get back into his classroom, to start the shooting, but the door was closed & locked & the student sent to open it for him saw him pull out the gun & didn't open it so he went to the classroom next door, which was open, & that's where he started shooting. And if they felt there was enough reason to even go check on him in class, why were there doors still open? Character vs player knowledge. She was in the classroom behind a door, doubt she actually saw where he went, just heard the shots. You’d think that the first response to a call like that, would be to make sure things are secure, and at the very least, make sure there aren’t doors left open. Has anyone confirmed that the class door was open? The only place I’ve seen that stated was from the interview of the girl that was sitting next to him in class. She talks about him coming back to the door and a classmate refusing to open it, then she said ‘he realized we weren’t going to let him in so I guess he started shooting into the next class that was open.’ But all four deaths were from people in the hallway. |
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Posted: 9/10/2024 2:38:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NCPatrolAR: Did they believe what she was saying, if it was specific, or did they chalk it up to Methany calling in actin crazy again? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NCPatrolAR: Originally Posted By Oldgold: From this article: Washington Post (will not let me link for some reason) After this story was published online, Marcee Gray reached out to The Post to confirm the details in the texts and phone logs. She declined to elaborate on what had prompted her to call in the warning to the school, but said she had shared that information with law enforcement. She called the shooting “absolutely horrific” and expressed remorse for the students and parents affected. Did they believe what she was saying, if it was specific, or did they chalk it up to Methany calling in actin crazy again? Considering this was his first week enrolled in the school and only second day to show up, I find it hard to believe they just chalked it up to some mom being all methed up. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 1:32:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder: Dad got it for him for Christmas Thanks. I'll stand by previous posts. Negligent homicide charge for the father. 25 years in prison should do it. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 9:32:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Thanks. I'll stand by previous posts. Negligent homicide charge for the father. 25 years in prison should do it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By right_rudder: Dad got it for him for Christmas Thanks. I'll stand by previous posts. Negligent homicide charge for the father. 25 years in prison should do it. Seems like a pretty slippery slope. Why does it matter if the dad bought the gun for Christmas vs any other time of year? I got a youth model 870 for my twelfth birthday. I know tons of people in real life, and on this forum, that have bought their kids their first gun. How is this father any more guilty than any other parent of a criminal? |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 9:54:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Seems like a pretty slippery slope. Why does it matter if the dad bought the gun for Christmas vs any other time of year? I got a youth model 870 for my twelfth birthday. I know tons of people in real life, and on this forum, that have bought their kids their first gun. How is this father any more guilty than any other parent of a criminal? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By right_rudder: Dad got it for him for Christmas Thanks. I'll stand by previous posts. Negligent homicide charge for the father. 25 years in prison should do it. Seems like a pretty slippery slope. Why does it matter if the dad bought the gun for Christmas vs any other time of year? I got a youth model 870 for my twelfth birthday. I know tons of people in real life, and on this forum, that have bought their kids their first gun. How is this father any more guilty than any other parent of a criminal? I got my Marlin Model 60 when I was 11. I never threatened to take it to school and shoot someone. After being interviewed by the Sherriff's Office the dad made some serious mistakes that I think held liability. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 9:58:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Seems like a pretty slippery slope. Why does it matter if the dad bought the gun for Christmas vs any other time of year? I got a youth model 870 for my twelfth birthday. I know tons of people in real life, and on this forum, that have bought their kids their first gun. How is this father any more guilty than any other parent of a criminal? Did you make online threats to shoot up a school, and get investigated by the FBI for it? |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 10:12:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lowcountry: I got my Marlin Model 60 when I was 11. I never threatened to take it to school and shoot someone. After being interviewed by the Sherriff's Office the dad made some serious mistakes that I think held liability. Perhaps - But what did the police and FBI conclude and offer? If he had had the guns in home (gifts or not) did the FBI offer advice to keep them under better control or remove them from home? Did the father believe the FBI's conclusion that his son was not involved (denial) and go in as normal? - with guns in home under reasonable control locked in a safe or closet?)- A teen can steal keys if they want to. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 10:33:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cherenkov: Perhaps - But what did the police and FBI conclude and offer? If he had had the guns in home (gifts or not) did the FBI offer advice to keep them under better control or remove them from home? Did the father believe the FBI's conclusion that his son was not involved (denial) and go in as normal? - with guns in home under reasonable control locked in a safe or closet?)- A teen can steal keys if they want to. What if the gun was under the son's control? Does that change anything? None of that is clear and will not be until they have a trial. Do I think they should charge him and figure that out? Yes. I get your point. Just because someone breaks into your house and steals a gun and murders someone does not make you liable. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 10:43:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Did you make online threats to shoot up a school, and get investigated by the FBI for it? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Seems like a pretty slippery slope. Why does it matter if the dad bought the gun for Christmas vs any other time of year? I got a youth model 870 for my twelfth birthday. I know tons of people in real life, and on this forum, that have bought their kids their first gun. How is this father any more guilty than any other parent of a criminal? Did you make online threats to shoot up a school, and get investigated by the FBI for it? Do you believe the dad is guilty because the son was investigated by the FBI, or because the dad bought his son the gun? My statement about it being a slippery slope was a response to your comment about the dad getting 25 years because the gun was purchased as a Christmas present. I was just pointing out that it is completely normal for a father to purchase their child their first gun (often times for Christmas, birthdays, etc.) |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 11:19:13 AM EDT
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Times have changed since a lot of us were kids.
Tough call for a parent regarding allowing access to firearms for teenagers. Social media is a huge problem in this regard. Kids have always talked. I can only imagine what I said when I was a teenager half a century ago. Now everything is posted, screenshotted, saved, tracked, and republished to billions of strangers. When a teenager talks about a firearm online, will those remarks be heard as some sort of threat? |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 11:38:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By W_E_G: Times have changed since a lot of us were kids. Tough call for a parent regarding allowing access to firearms for teenagers. Social media is a huge problem in this regard. Kids have always talked. I can only imagine what I said when I was a teenager half a century ago. Now everything is posted, screenshotted, saved, tracked, and republished to billions of strangers. When a teenager talks about a firearm online, will those remarks be heard as some sort of threat? no firearm posts come up all the time for me. it's about context. kid at the range, no foul. kid with general interest in weapons. yellow flag maybe if we have indications or reports of threats or other issues. gets reported but not a problem by itself kid with interest in weapons, pics at the range mixed with other posts such as drug use, violence behaviors or mental health issues... red flag threat analysis has to contain some key things: means... has a gun or access to tools to facilitate the threat motive ... has a reason opportunity.. has the ability to carry out the threat described. (location, time etc) for example... kid says he's going to kill another kid in a game session but live 3 states away. he has motive, he may have access to weapons but has no ability to get there or any other indications of violent actions. so digital threat exists but risk of physical threat is low. this is why continued monitoring is important. in the case above, report made case closed. we take the example above and discover dad bought him a new car 6 months later and his target will be in town for the weekend. now we have an actual opportunity IF the other parts are still relative. most of the time this will never be followed up on as the case was closed on the initial report. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 11:47:23 AM EDT
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Mom of Georgia school shooter releases letter: "To the parents and families of those affected by the tragic events at Apalachee High School, I want to say that I am so sorry from the bottom of my heart ... If I could take the place of Mason and Christian, I would without a second thought ... We are all in a living nightmare right now, and I will personally never forgive myself for what has happened. My son Colt is not a monster. He is my oldest baby. He is quiet, thoughtful, caring, funny, and extremely intelligent. Please pray for him and the rest of our family, as I am praying for all of you every moment of every day." |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 11:58:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By W_E_G: Times have changed since a lot of us were kids. Tough call for a parent regarding allowing access to firearms for teenagers. Social media is a huge problem in this regard. Kids have always talked. I can only imagine what I said when I was a teenager half a century ago. Now everything is posted, screenshotted, saved, tracked, and republished to billions of strangers. When a teenager talks about a firearm online, will those remarks be heard as some sort of threat? And nowadays, it's not unheard of for students to be reprimanded/punished for posting photos from a gun range or hunting on the weekends. There have been many threads on this site about several of those cases. Could that have affected how serious the dad considered the visit to be? If the dad knew the kid was a danger, he should have to answer for that. But this case sounds more like the father being thrown under the bus in an attempt to keep blame off of the investigators. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 1:16:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
Mom of Georgia school shooter releases letter: "To the parents and families of those affected by the tragic events at Apalachee High School, I want to say that I am so sorry from the bottom of my heart ... If I could take the place of Mason and Christian, I would without a second thought ... We are all in a living nightmare right now, and I will personally never forgive myself for what has happened. My son Colt is not a monster. He is my oldest baby. He is quiet, thoughtful, caring, funny, and extremely intelligent. Please pray for him and the rest of our family, as I am praying for all of you every moment of every day." Maybe this will be her wake up call to sober up and get her shit together. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 1:21:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Maybe this will be her wake up call to sober up and get her shit together. If we were to wager, I would bet against it. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 1:31:38 PM EDT
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I would like to know if Colt is her "oldest baby," I really wonder what the future holds for her kids Remington, Ruger, and Hi-Point.
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Posted: 9/11/2024 1:39:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Low_Country]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Do you believe the dad is guilty because the son was investigated by the FBI, or because the dad bought his son the gun? My statement about it being a slippery slope was a response to your comment about the dad getting 25 years because the gun was purchased as a Christmas present. I was just pointing out that it is completely normal for a father to purchase their child their first gun (often times for Christmas, birthdays, etc.) It is normal for a father to buy their son a rifle. It is not normal for a father to buy their son a rifle after the son threatens to commit mass murder. Knowing your son is a threat, and purchasing him the rifle anyway, is criminal negligence when the kid then uses it to shoot up a school. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 1:53:38 PM EDT
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Regarding the fake threats, I heard this snippet from another parent today:
"Those investigations have already resulted in the arrest of nine students, who now face criminal charges. Please know that anyone who makes threats against our schools will be arrested and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law." |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 1:58:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ZF-1: Regarding the fake threats, I heard this snippet from another parent today: "Those investigations have already resulted in the arrest of nine students, who now face criminal charges. Please know that anyone who makes threats against our schools will be arrested and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law." Forsyth, Hall and Gwinnett have reported recent investigation/allegations of school violence. I understand some dumbass 15 yr old has no concept or care at throwing out threat for the lulz or hoping to get out of tomorrow's math test but until there's severe consequences for these kids we're going to see more of this and make it harder for the authorities to filter through what's real and what's not. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 2:03:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: It is normal for a father to buy their son a rifle. It is not normal for a father to buy their son a rifle after the son threatens to commit mass murder. Knowing your son is a threat, and purchasing him the rifle anyway, is criminal negligence when the kid then uses it to shoot up a school. Even if his dad thought all of that was BS, it was his responsibility to ask his son for his phone/computer and do a little forensic digging himself. I believe if he had he would have seen flags that would tell him to secure the guns up to be prudent. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 2:06:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Seems like a pretty slippery slope. Why does it matter if the dad bought the gun for Christmas vs any other time of year? I got a youth model 870 for my twelfth birthday. I know tons of people in real life, and on this forum, that have bought their kids their first gun. How is this father any more guilty than any other parent of a criminal? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By right_rudder: Dad got it for him for Christmas Thanks. I'll stand by previous posts. Negligent homicide charge for the father. 25 years in prison should do it. Seems like a pretty slippery slope. Why does it matter if the dad bought the gun for Christmas vs any other time of year? I got a youth model 870 for my twelfth birthday. I know tons of people in real life, and on this forum, that have bought their kids their first gun. How is this father any more guilty than any other parent of a criminal? Did you threaten to shoot up a school right before it was purchased for you? Context matters. We should not be covering for criminally irresponsible behavior. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 2:08:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: And nowadays, it's not unheard of for students to be reprimanded/punished for posting photos from a gun range or hunting on the weekends. There have been many threads on this site about several of those cases. Could that have affected how serious the dad considered the visit to be? If the dad knew the kid was a danger, he should have to answer for that. But this case sounds more like the father being thrown under the bus in an attempt to keep blame off of the investigators. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By W_E_G: Times have changed since a lot of us were kids. Tough call for a parent regarding allowing access to firearms for teenagers. Social media is a huge problem in this regard. Kids have always talked. I can only imagine what I said when I was a teenager half a century ago. Now everything is posted, screenshotted, saved, tracked, and republished to billions of strangers. When a teenager talks about a firearm online, will those remarks be heard as some sort of threat? And nowadays, it's not unheard of for students to be reprimanded/punished for posting photos from a gun range or hunting on the weekends. There have been many threads on this site about several of those cases. Could that have affected how serious the dad considered the visit to be? If the dad knew the kid was a danger, he should have to answer for that. But this case sounds more like the father being thrown under the bus in an attempt to keep blame off of the investigators. Dad knew. Watch the interview posted. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 2:43:25 PM EDT
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Georgia shooter's father enlisted his ex-cop sister to counsel son after FBI tip about high school attack threat - but he still went ahead and bought him the deadly weapon
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13833985/School-Shooters-Dad-Retired-Cop-Sister-FBI-Tip.html |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 4:29:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Did you make online threats to shoot up a school, and get investigated by the FBI for it? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Seems like a pretty slippery slope. Why does it matter if the dad bought the gun for Christmas vs any other time of year? I got a youth model 870 for my twelfth birthday. I know tons of people in real life, and on this forum, that have bought their kids their first gun. How is this father any more guilty than any other parent of a criminal? Did you make online threats to shoot up a school, and get investigated by the FBI for it? I just listened to the body cam video of the two cops talking to the father and Colt. It's pretty weak, even the cops admit it could have been from somebody else and they weren't sure when the threats were made saying it could have been when there was different tenants in the place. No real evidence at all and they took Colt at his word and walked off. After watching that video it makes me more sympathetic to the father's position. If that is all the information he had, I think he's just being used as a scapegoat here. I do think it would have been prudent for him to lock up the guns, but I'm not sure it falls under the level of criminal negligence. I kind of thought the information in the video would have been worse. Was it ever confirmed if the guns were locked up or not anyway? |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 4:33:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: It is normal for a father to buy their son a rifle. It is not normal for a father to buy their son a rifle after the son threatens to commit mass murder. Knowing your son is a threat, and purchasing him the rifle anyway, is criminal negligence when the kid then uses it to shoot up a school. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Do you believe the dad is guilty because the son was investigated by the FBI, or because the dad bought his son the gun? My statement about it being a slippery slope was a response to your comment about the dad getting 25 years because the gun was purchased as a Christmas present. I was just pointing out that it is completely normal for a father to purchase their child their first gun (often times for Christmas, birthdays, etc.) It is normal for a father to buy their son a rifle. It is not normal for a father to buy their son a rifle after the son threatens to commit mass murder. Knowing your son is a threat, and purchasing him the rifle anyway, is criminal negligence when the kid then uses it to shoot up a school. I agree with you, however I'm not convinced that father necessarily knew his son had made a threat. It's a gray area case for sure here, the cops admit it could have been made from somebody else. He should have been more careful, but is it criminally negligent? I had kind of leaned in that direction until I watched the body cam video. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 4:34:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ATLDiver: Even if his dad thought all of that was BS, it was his responsibility to ask his son for his phone/computer and do a little forensic digging himself. I believe if he had he would have seen flags that would tell him to secure the guns up to be prudent. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ATLDiver: Originally Posted By Low_Country: It is normal for a father to buy their son a rifle. It is not normal for a father to buy their son a rifle after the son threatens to commit mass murder. Knowing your son is a threat, and purchasing him the rifle anyway, is criminal negligence when the kid then uses it to shoot up a school. Even if his dad thought all of that was BS, it was his responsibility to ask his son for his phone/computer and do a little forensic digging himself. I believe if he had he would have seen flags that would tell him to secure the guns up to be prudent. That's a good point that should have been done but would he have been able to find it? I doubt it. Honestly I'm kind of surprised the cops didn't take his phone or look through it. They would have had a better chance of finding it than Dad |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 4:37:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Dad knew. Watch the interview posted. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By W_E_G: Times have changed since a lot of us were kids. Tough call for a parent regarding allowing access to firearms for teenagers. Social media is a huge problem in this regard. Kids have always talked. I can only imagine what I said when I was a teenager half a century ago. Now everything is posted, screenshotted, saved, tracked, and republished to billions of strangers. When a teenager talks about a firearm online, will those remarks be heard as some sort of threat? And nowadays, it's not unheard of for students to be reprimanded/punished for posting photos from a gun range or hunting on the weekends. There have been many threads on this site about several of those cases. Could that have affected how serious the dad considered the visit to be? If the dad knew the kid was a danger, he should have to answer for that. But this case sounds more like the father being thrown under the bus in an attempt to keep blame off of the investigators. Dad knew. Watch the interview posted. Hard to say. We don't know what was going through his head or what he believed. This is definitely a gray area case not near as straightforward as Crumbleys in Michigan. I support their conviction, not so sure about this one. It's definitely a slippery slope and if this is the trend people are going to get charged for weaker and weaker cases. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 4:38:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ATLDiver: Even if his dad thought all of that was BS, it was his responsibility to ask his son for his phone/computer and do a little forensic digging himself. I believe if he had he would have seen flags that would tell him to secure the guns up to be prudent. they never do. they are usually either completely disengaged and don't care, or in complete denial and no matter what you show them they won't believe it. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 4:43:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Seems like a pretty slippery slope. Why does it matter if the dad bought the gun for Christmas vs any other time of year? I got a youth model 870 for my twelfth birthday. I know tons of people in real life, and on this forum, that have bought their kids their first gun. How is this father any more guilty than any other parent of a criminal? Did you you threaten to shot up a school and ha dthe police come to your house to talk to your father? The police came to the fathers house months before he bought his son an AR-15 and told the father that his son had made a threat to shot up a school. The father assured the police that all firearms were secure and he son did not have access to them. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 5:01:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8nbait]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wyomingnick: Hard to say. We don't know what was going through his head or what he believed. This is definitely a gray area case not near as straightforward as Crumbleys in Michigan. I support their conviction, not so sure about this one. It's definitely a slippery slope and if this is the trend people are going to get charged for weaker and weaker cases. THere were other red flags that the father ignored. The kid was dealing with a terrible home life because of the problems of the mother. He know his son was being relentlessly bullied at school. Truancy from school. His kid checked many boxes of someone who would threaten to shot up a school and maybe do so. If I had an "at risk" 14 year old and the police knocked on my door to say he may have made threats to shot up a school I would not care what my kid told me to stay out of trouble. I would error on the side of caution considering what is at stake. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 5:08:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 8nbait: THere were other red flags that the father ignored. The kid was dealing with a terrible home life because of the problems of the mother. He know his son was being relentlessly bullied at school. Truancy from school. His kid checked many boxes of someone who would threaten to shot up a school and maybe do so. If I had an "at risk" 14 year old and the police knocked on my door to say he may have may threats to shot up a school I would not care what my kid told me to stay out of trouble. I would error on the side of caution considering what is at stake. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 8nbait: Originally Posted By wyomingnick: Hard to say. We don't know what was going through his head or what he believed. This is definitely a gray area case not near as straightforward as Crumbleys in Michigan. I support their conviction, not so sure about this one. It's definitely a slippery slope and if this is the trend people are going to get charged for weaker and weaker cases. THere were other red flags that the father ignored. The kid was dealing with a terrible home life because of the problems of the mother. He know his son was being relentlessly bullied at school. Truancy from school. His kid checked many boxes of someone who would threaten to shot up a school and maybe do so. If I had an "at risk" 14 year old and the police knocked on my door to say he may have may threats to shot up a school I would not care what my kid told me to stay out of trouble. I would error on the side of caution considering what is at stake. So would I but I am overly cautious about safety. I think it a much greyer case for criminal liability then the Crumbley case. I do think there is civil liability, the burden for that is much lower. You do make a good point about the other factors, I was basing my above comments just on the LE video. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 5:26:56 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wyomingnick: I agree with you, however I'm not convinced that father necessarily knew his son had made a threat. It's a gray area case for sure here, the cops admit it could have been made from somebody else. He should have been more careful, but is it criminally negligent? I had kind of leaned in that direction until I watched the body cam video. Was the father not interviewed by the fbi? |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 6:06:10 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Was the father not interviewed by the fbi? No one was interviewed by the FBI. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 6:14:00 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NCPatrolAR: No one was interviewed by the FBI. It looks like I was mistaken. Interviewed by the Georgia police after the FBI received the tips of his threats? Is that accurate? |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 6:26:27 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Do you believe the dad is guilty because the son was investigated by the FBI, or because the dad bought his son the gun? My statement about it being a slippery slope was a response to your comment about the dad getting 25 years because the gun was purchased as a Christmas present. I was just pointing out that it is completely normal for a father to purchase their child their first gun (often times for Christmas, birthdays, etc.) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Seems like a pretty slippery slope. Why does it matter if the dad bought the gun for Christmas vs any other time of year? I got a youth model 870 for my twelfth birthday. I know tons of people in real life, and on this forum, that have bought their kids their first gun. How is this father any more guilty than any other parent of a criminal? Did you make online threats to shoot up a school, and get investigated by the FBI for it? Do you believe the dad is guilty because the son was investigated by the FBI, or because the dad bought his son the gun? My statement about it being a slippery slope was a response to your comment about the dad getting 25 years because the gun was purchased as a Christmas present. I was just pointing out that it is completely normal for a father to purchase their child their first gun (often times for Christmas, birthdays, etc.) "smiled like a twelve year old kid who'd been handed a brand new hunting rifle just in time for opening day." Got kickback from a reader who instantly connected that line to school shootings. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 6:29:07 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: It looks like I was mistaken. Interviewed by the Georgia police after the FBI received the tips of his threats? Is that accurate? It was kicked down to the Jackson County Sheriff's Office |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 6:32:44 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Emoto: If we were to wager, I would bet against it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Emoto: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Maybe this will be her wake up call to sober up and get her shit together. If we were to wager, I would bet against it. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 6:35:49 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Did you threaten to shoot up a school right before it was purchased for you? Context matters. We should not be covering for criminally irresponsible behavior. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By right_rudder: Dad got it for him for Christmas Thanks. I'll stand by previous posts. Negligent homicide charge for the father. 25 years in prison should do it. Seems like a pretty slippery slope. Why does it matter if the dad bought the gun for Christmas vs any other time of year? I got a youth model 870 for my twelfth birthday. I know tons of people in real life, and on this forum, that have bought their kids their first gun. How is this father any more guilty than any other parent of a criminal? Did you threaten to shoot up a school right before it was purchased for you? Context matters. We should not be covering for criminally irresponsible behavior. You're assuming the father believed his son had done that. There's evidence that he didn't. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 6:38:53 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wyomingnick: That's a good point that should have been done but would he have been able to find it? I doubt it. Honestly I'm kind of surprised the cops didn't take his phone or look through it. They would have had a better chance of finding it than Dad Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wyomingnick: Originally Posted By ATLDiver: Originally Posted By Low_Country: It is normal for a father to buy their son a rifle. It is not normal for a father to buy their son a rifle after the son threatens to commit mass murder. Knowing your son is a threat, and purchasing him the rifle anyway, is criminal negligence when the kid then uses it to shoot up a school. Even if his dad thought all of that was BS, it was his responsibility to ask his son for his phone/computer and do a little forensic digging himself. I believe if he had he would have seen flags that would tell him to secure the guns up to be prudent. That's a good point that should have been done but would he have been able to find it? I doubt it. Honestly I'm kind of surprised the cops didn't take his phone or look through it. They would have had a better chance of finding it than Dad |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 6:39:37 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NCPatrolAR: It was kicked down to the Jackson County Sheriff's Office So to the point of my stance, the kid and his dad were interviewed by LE over his threats to commit mass murder. The dad knew. And then the dad bought him an AR. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 6:40:59 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 8nbait: Did you you threaten to shot up a school and ha dthe police come to your house to talk to your father? The police came to the fathers house months before he bought his son an AR-15 and told the father that his son had made a threat to shot up a school. The father assured the police that all firearms were secure and he son did not have access to them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 8nbait: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Seems like a pretty slippery slope. Why does it matter if the dad bought the gun for Christmas vs any other time of year? I got a youth model 870 for my twelfth birthday. I know tons of people in real life, and on this forum, that have bought their kids their first gun. How is this father any more guilty than any other parent of a criminal? Did you you threaten to shot up a school and ha dthe police come to your house to talk to your father? The police came to the fathers house months before he bought his son an AR-15 and told the father that his son had made a threat to shot up a school. The father assured the police that all firearms were secure and he son did not have access to them. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 6:44:46 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: It looks like I was mistaken. Interviewed by the Georgia police after the FBI received the tips of his threats? Is that accurate? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By NCPatrolAR: No one was interviewed by the FBI. It looks like I was mistaken. Interviewed by the Georgia police after the FBI received the tips of his threats? Is that accurate? I believe so. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 6:46:47 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: I'm 50/50 on it. The one thing that ties all ex addicts together is that they hit their personal bottom at some point. A point so low they were galvanized to change. Maybe having her oldest son going to prison for murdering his classmates is that point for her. Maybe not. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: Originally Posted By Emoto: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Maybe this will be her wake up call to sober up and get her shit together. If we were to wager, I would bet against it. I agree with you about them needing to hit bottom. My opinion is based upon nothing other than my own thinking, but given how selfish most addicts are, I imagine that something happening to a son she no longer lives with will be too external and abstract for her to feel as though she herself has hit bottom. I could be wrong, of course. |
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