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Posted: 9/7/2024 6:37:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
Just leaving it vague at "extreme emergency"? And maybe not mentioning her son? |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 6:37:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32274/Screenshot_2024-09-06_at_21-32-49_Former-3315430.JPG Yes. It is very noticeable how much information was quickly revealed about this school shooter compared to Trump's would-be assassin and his family. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 6:46:19 PM EDT
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The mother called the school and seems to have been sufficiently specific about what was about to happen. This was a half an hour before the shooting.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13825297/Georgia-school-shooting-colt-gray-mother-marcee-warning-text-apalachee-high.html |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 6:53:47 PM EDT
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The mother of the suspected Apalachee High School gunman told family members that she called the school on the morning of the shooting and warned a counselor about an “extreme emergency” involving her 14-year-old son, according to text messages obtained by The Washington Post and an interview with a family member. That account is supported by a call log from the family’s shared phone plan, which shows a 10-minute call from the mother’s phone to the school starting at 9:50 a.m. — about a half-hour before witnesses have said the gunman opened fire. “I was the one that notified the school counselor at the high school,” Marcee Gray texted her sister following the shooting on Sept. 4, according to a screenshot of the exchange. “I told them it was an extreme emergency and for them to go immediately and find [my son] to check on him.” A counselor told Gray during the call that her son had been talking about a school shooting that morning, according to Gray’s sister, Annie Brown, who described family discussions of the events to The Post. Around the same time, a school administrator went to the son’s math classroom, according to Lyela Sayarath, a student in the class. Sayarath said there seemed to be confusion involving another student in the class with a name similar to that of Gray’s son. Neither student was in the room, and the official left with a backpack belonging to the similarly named student, she said. The shooting began minutes later. The phone log, texts and interviews provide the strongest indications yet that officials at Apalachee High were alerted to concerns about the suspect on the morning of the shooting and may have been looking for him in the minutes before he allegedly killed four people and injured nine with an AR-15-style rifle. The texts also show that the school and family were in contact about his mental health a week before the shooting, and that Brown told a relative the teen was at the time having “homicidal and suicidal thoughts.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2024/09/07/georgia-school-shooter-mother-warning/ |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 6:56:31 PM EDT
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She was in contact with her son?
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Posted: 9/7/2024 7:02:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By L_JE: Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By L_JE: The mother of the suspected Apalachee High School gunman told family members that she called the school on the morning of the shooting and warned a counselor about an “extreme emergency” involving her 14-year-old son, according to text messages obtained by The Washington Post and an interview with a family member. That account is supported by a call log from the family’s shared phone plan, which shows a 10-minute call from the mother’s phone to the school starting at 9:50 a.m. — about a half-hour before witnesses have said the gunman opened fire. “I was the one that notified the school counselor at the high school,” Marcee Gray texted her sister following the shooting on Sept. 4, according to a screenshot of the exchange. “I told them it was an extreme emergency and for them to go immediately and find [my son] to check on him.” A counselor told Gray during the call that her son had been talking about a school shooting that morning, according to Gray’s sister, Annie Brown, who described family discussions of the events to The Post. Around the same time, a school administrator went to the son’s math classroom, according to Lyela Sayarath, a student in the class. Sayarath said there seemed to be confusion involving another student in the class with a name similar to that of Gray’s son. Neither student was in the room, and the official left with a backpack belonging to the similarly named student, she said. The shooting began minutes later. The phone log, texts and interviews provide the strongest indications yet that officials at Apalachee High were alerted to concerns about the suspect on the morning of the shooting and may have been looking for him in the minutes before he allegedly killed four people and injured nine with an AR-15-style rifle. The texts also show that the school and family were in contact about his mental health a week before the shooting, and that Brown told a relative the teen was at the time having “homicidal and suicidal thoughts.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2024/09/07/georgia-school-shooter-mother-warning/ While it doesn’t excuse it, the school sounds totally incapable |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 7:05:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By networkguru: She was in contact with her son? |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 7:38:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By L_JE: She was in contact with school officials in the days/week[s] prior. School counselor requested that the student see a therapist the week[s] before. A counselor may have spoken with Colt Gray earlier that morning, and may have sent other personnel to look for Gray the class period before the Algebra class - but somewhere along the line, it looks like they got his name mixed up with another student's name. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By L_JE: Originally Posted By networkguru: She was in contact with her son? |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 7:45:15 PM EDT
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Like if there was a Colton Grey in the class, and they grabbed that kid by mistake instead of Colt Gray? The testimony during the civil suit is going to be epic.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/7/2024 7:46:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GeneralDisaray: While it doesn’t excuse it, the school sounds totally incapable Typically run public school. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 11:44:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: You're reaching too hard. This kid obviously knew enough to create a user name in cyrillic with the first letters of each word spelling out LANZA. That's not a wild hairy-assed guess, because he did it. You're reaching for a connection between what the kid knew, what the FBI knew, and what the father knew. And you ain't making it. In my old D&D DMing days, we had a saying covering this. Player knowledge vs Character knowledge. The seasoned campaigner sitting behind his die roller and $200 worth of dice knew that the wet spot on the dungeon floor was obviously some sort of powerful slime, but did the level 1 warrior he was playing? In the literary world, it can be stated as reader knowledge vs character knowledge. As the reader, you will usually know way more about what's going on in the story than a given character. They only know what they know. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: Originally Posted By Kingdead: Originally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: Remember, the Lanza bit was disguised inside a long name written in Cyrillic. How much Cyrillic do you know? You're reaching for a connection between what the kid knew, what the FBI knew, and what the father knew. And you ain't making it. In my old D&D DMing days, we had a saying covering this. Player knowledge vs Character knowledge. The seasoned campaigner sitting behind his die roller and $200 worth of dice knew that the wet spot on the dungeon floor was obviously some sort of powerful slime, but did the level 1 warrior he was playing? In the literary world, it can be stated as reader knowledge vs character knowledge. As the reader, you will usually know way more about what's going on in the story than a given character. They only know what they know. Roll for initiative to not lick the delicious-looking slime. Kharn |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 11:49:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kharn: Roll for initiative to not lick the delicious-looking slime. Kharn *rolls natural 20* Fuck it, I’ll lick it anyway |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 3:25:53 PM EDT
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If you read the story, the school admin went to his classroom to pull him out of class but he wasn't in there, he had left just minutes before. The kid with a similar name wasn't in the classroom either so they took that kids back pack. Shooter tried to get back into his classroom, to start the shooting, but the door was closed & locked & the student sent to open it for him saw him pull out the gun & didn't open it so he went to the classroom next door, which was open, & that's where he started shooting.
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Posted: 9/8/2024 3:33:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SNAFU-M1A: If you read the story, the school admin went to his classroom to pull him out of class but he wasn't in there, he had left just minutes before. The kid with a similar name wasn't in the classroom either so they took that kids back pack. Shooter tried to get back into his classroom, to start the shooting, but the door was closed & locked & the student sent to open it for him saw him pull out the gun & didn't open it so he went to the classroom next door, which was open, & that's where he started shooting. And if they felt there was enough reason to even go check on him in class, why were there doors still open? You’d think that the first response to a call like that, would be to make sure things are secure, and at the very least, make sure there aren’t doors left open. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 4:21:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bluemax_1: And if they felt there was enough reason to even go check on him in class, why were there doors still open? You'd think that the first response to a call like that, would be to make sure things are secure, and at the very least, make sure there aren't doors left open. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bluemax_1: Originally Posted By SNAFU-M1A: If you read the story, the school admin went to his classroom to pull him out of class but he wasn't in there, he had left just minutes before. The kid with a similar name wasn't in the classroom either so they took that kids back pack. Shooter tried to get back into his classroom, to start the shooting, but the door was closed & locked & the student sent to open it for him saw him pull out the gun & didn't open it so he went to the classroom next door, which was open, & that's where he started shooting. And if they felt there was enough reason to even go check on him in class, why were there doors still open? You'd think that the first response to a call like that, would be to make sure things are secure, and at the very least, make sure there aren't doors left open. I'm wondering what's gonna happen to the teacher who ignored the warning and didn't bother to close the door, always assuming said teacher wasn't one of those killed. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 4:42:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: That is a puzzler. by all accounts, they had plenty of warning, but seemed to be treating it like a half assed drill. Now we're hearing that the mother called that specific school a half hour earlier? Maybe there was a history of her making these calls that we're not being told about, so the staff were, "like, whatever," and just going through the motions. I'm wondering what's gonna happen to the teacher who ignored the warning and didn't bother to close the door, always assuming said teacher wasn't one of those killed. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 7:19:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kingdead: Would any of this been necessary if the father took the fbi investigation seriously and removed the guns from the house and or didn't buy him an ar15? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kingdead: Originally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: That is a puzzler. by all accounts, they had plenty of warning, but seemed to be treating it like a half assed drill. Now we're hearing that the mother called that specific school a half hour earlier? Maybe there was a history of her making these calls that we're not being told about, so the staff were, "like, whatever," and just going through the motions. I'm wondering what's gonna happen to the teacher who ignored the warning and didn't bother to close the door, always assuming said teacher wasn't one of those killed. And that's why he's going to rightfully share a cell with Crumbly. Kharn |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 11:06:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
Is this the same call that said 5 schools would be shot up, starting with Apalachee HS? Or did the school receive two calls before the shooting? |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 11:12:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bluemax_1: And if they felt there was enough reason to even go check on him in class, why were there doors still open? You’d think that the first response to a call like that, would be to make sure things are secure, and at the very least, make sure there aren’t doors left open. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bluemax_1: Originally Posted By SNAFU-M1A: If you read the story, the school admin went to his classroom to pull him out of class but he wasn't in there, he had left just minutes before. The kid with a similar name wasn't in the classroom either so they took that kids back pack. Shooter tried to get back into his classroom, to start the shooting, but the door was closed & locked & the student sent to open it for him saw him pull out the gun & didn't open it so he went to the classroom next door, which was open, & that's where he started shooting. And if they felt there was enough reason to even go check on him in class, why were there doors still open? You’d think that the first response to a call like that, would be to make sure things are secure, and at the very least, make sure there aren’t doors left open. Has anyone confirmed that the class door was open? The only place I’ve seen that stated was from the interview of the girl that was sitting next to him in class. She talks about him coming back to the door and a classmate refusing to open it, then she said ‘he realized we weren’t going to let him in so I guess he started shooting into the next class that was open.’ But all four deaths were from people in the hallway. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 11:49:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bluemax_1: That's what I don't get about these kinds of nutters. I don't condone it, but some nutjob getting fired from work, going back and shooting people his warped mind felt had "wronged" him, I can at least understand the motivation behind, even if it's psychotic to take things that far. But to go and mindlessly slaughter a bunch of people you don't know? Kids like this nut, the Buffalo shooter, Hale. There's no question whatsoever that their minds are warped. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 12:09:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Toker_]
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So the mom knew the son had thoughts of shooting up a school? Maybe mention that to the dad to make sure he didn't have access to the gun?
I'm sure it wasn't just that morning that she had an inkling that her son wasn't right in the head. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 2:31:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By madmathew: Part of what needs to be investigated is who is coddling these people into believing that they are right and that they should make others pay for their feeling ostracized. Someone is putting these trans ideas in kids heads, is it happening at school? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By madmathew: Originally Posted By bluemax_1: That's what I don't get about these kinds of nutters. I don't condone it, but some nutjob getting fired from work, going back and shooting people his warped mind felt had "wronged" him, I can at least understand the motivation behind, even if it's psychotic to take things that far. But to go and mindlessly slaughter a bunch of people you don't know? Kids like this nut, the Buffalo shooter, Hale. There's no question whatsoever that their minds are warped. That’s one of the unfortunate negatives about the internet, and the incredible connectivity it provides. Back in the old days, your peer group and local community provided a lot of… course corrections. Not necessarily always a good thing, but when people had notably deviant ideas, they would find it difficult to find likeminded people. With the connectivity of the internet, no matter how deviant, or downright sick the mentality, a person can find either an echo chamber of likeminded folks, or oftentimes, just a bunch of uncaring buffoons who find it amusing to encourage and egg-on some mentally warped individuals, just to mess with them, and see if it pushes them over the edge. IIRC, one of the previous mass murderers frequented the chans, where people were happy to reinforce the notion that acting out was just dandy. Too easy to find some assholes going, “Doooooo eeeeet…”, whether it’s a person contemplating suicide, or mass murder. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 3:26:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bluemax_1: That's one of the unfortunate negatives about the internet, and the incredible connectivity it provides. ---With the connectivity of the internet, no matter how deviant, or downright sick the mentality, a person can find either an echo chamber of likeminded folks, or oftentimes, just a bunch of uncaring buffoons who find it amusing to encourage and egg-on some mentally warped individuals, just to mess with them, and see if it pushes them over the edge. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 3:58:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By madmathew: Part of what needs to be investigated is who is coddling these people into believing that they are right and that they should make others pay for their feeling ostracized. Someone is putting these trans ideas in kids heads, is it happening at school? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By madmathew: Originally Posted By bluemax_1: That's what I don't get about these kinds of nutters. I don't condone it, but some nutjob getting fired from work, going back and shooting people his warped mind felt had "wronged" him, I can at least understand the motivation behind, even if it's psychotic to take things that far. But to go and mindlessly slaughter a bunch of people you don't know? Kids like this nut, the Buffalo shooter, Hale. There's no question whatsoever that their minds are warped. From what I've seen personally, it's a mix of social media and learned programming in schools with other students (i.e. the weird rejects as some referred to themselves). This feedback loop of online acceptance and living in their atomized bubble online with that "group" and then getting positive feedback from fellow students who are also in a similar group IRL just perpetuates itself. The worst ones are the parents who are doing it for their own positive feedback to prove a point or feel better or of course to please a certain group they live/deal with IRL or online. It was very difficult for me to see child abuse occurring but also being told it's OK because trans. This is why I hate that movement along with many other leftist adopted grievance groups where ole Marcuse said the energies were. These groups readily believe sacrificing children's health and well-being for a revolutionary cause is more important because one must keep moving forward comrade. With progress! There's enough shit head parents out there to begin with but driving online messaging and then creating circumstances where abuse literally becomes protected is mind blowing to me. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 4:25:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Toker_: So the mom knew the son had thoughts of shooting up a school? Maybe mention that to the dad to make sure he didn't have access to the gun? I'm sure it wasn't just that morning that she had an inkling that her son wasn't right in the head. Their relationship was so toxic she was only allowed to speak to the father through a 3rd person intermediator. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 4:28:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lowcountry: Their relationship was so toxic she was only allowed to speak to the father through a 3rd person intermediator. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lowcountry: Originally Posted By Toker_: So the mom knew the son had thoughts of shooting up a school? Maybe mention that to the dad to make sure he didn't have access to the gun? I'm sure it wasn't just that morning that she had an inkling that her son wasn't right in the head. Their relationship was so toxic she was only allowed to speak to the father through a 3rd person intermediator. Even still, you would think that might be something worth bringing up. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 4:57:05 PM EDT
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From the shooter's grandfather...
The stage for the violence was set long ago, Polhamus said, slamming Colt’s dad Colin as “evil” and claiming Colin Gray got Marcee addicted to drugs — ruining the family. “Collie Gray did this to his family and he will rot in hell for it. That’s a fact,” Polhamus said outside his home. “He needs the death penalty. He is probably one of the worst narcissists in the world.” https://nypost.com/2024/09/07/us-news/accused-georgia-school-shooter-apologized-to-his-mom-before-allegedly-killing-four-anguished-grandfather-reveals/ |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 6:20:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hipster: From the shooter's grandfather... The stage for the violence was set long ago, Polhamus said, slamming Colt’s dad Colin as “evil” and claiming Colin Gray got Marcee addicted to drugs — ruining the family. “Collie Gray did this to his family and he will rot in hell for it. That’s a fact,” Polhamus said outside his home. “He needs the death penalty. He is probably one of the worst narcissists in the world.” https://nypost.com/2024/09/07/us-news/accused-georgia-school-shooter-apologized-to-his-mom-before-allegedly-killing-four-anguished-grandfather-reveals/ |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 6:26:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By exponentialpi: The mental gymnastics in that article are Olympic worthy. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By exponentialpi: Originally Posted By Hipster: From the shooter's grandfather... The stage for the violence was set long ago, Polhamus said, slamming Colt’s dad Colin as “evil” and claiming Colin Gray got Marcee addicted to drugs — ruining the family. “Collie Gray did this to his family and he will rot in hell for it. That’s a fact,” Polhamus said outside his home. “He needs the death penalty. He is probably one of the worst narcissists in the world.” https://nypost.com/2024/09/07/us-news/accused-georgia-school-shooter-apologized-to-his-mom-before-allegedly-killing-four-anguished-grandfather-reveals/ Yeah, we surely don't know all the facts in this case but the Grandfather is in severe denial of the fact that his daughter is a drug addict and a criminal. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 7:22:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hipster: From the shooter's grandfather... The stage for the violence was set long ago, Polhamus said, slamming Colt's dad Colin as "evil" and claiming Colin Gray got Marcee addicted to drugs ruining the family. "Collie Gray did this to his family and he will rot in hell for it. That's a fact," Polhamus said outside his home. "He needs the death penalty. He is probably one of the worst narcissists in the world." https://nypost.com/2024/09/07/us-news/accused-georgia-school-shooter-apologized-to-his-mom-before-allegedly-killing-four-anguished-grandfather-reveals/ I'd take anything grandpa says about his sweet little girl with a barrel of salt. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 7:30:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: The aunt said the same thing until about a rear ago before taking it all back and admitting it was her sister. I'd take anything grandpa says about his sweet little girl with a barrel of salt. Grandpa sounds nuts. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 7:46:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Grandpa sounds nuts. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: The aunt said the same thing until about a rear ago before taking it all back and admitting it was her sister. I'd take anything grandpa says about his sweet little girl with a barrel of salt. Grandpa sounds nuts. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 7:49:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: Acorn tree etc. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: The aunt said the same thing until about a rear ago before taking it all back and admitting it was her sister. I'd take anything grandpa says about his sweet little girl with a barrel of salt. Grandpa sounds nuts. Plant corn: Get corn |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 9:02:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Grandpa sounds nuts. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Originally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: The aunt said the same thing until about a rear ago before taking it all back and admitting it was her sister. I'd take anything grandpa says about his sweet little girl with a barrel of salt. Grandpa sounds nuts. Every fucking one of them sounds nuts. The dad, the mom, the kid, the aunt, the granddad, all of 'em. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 9:57:04 PM EDT
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 Body camera footage shows interview of Colt, Colin Gray on 2023 school shooting online threat |
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Posted: 9/10/2024 8:46:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThe boy constantly rocked side to side. Does that seem like normal behavior? |
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Posted: 9/10/2024 9:05:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryTwo BS artists colluding. The cops missed a lot of red flags in that interview. |
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Posted: 9/10/2024 9:16:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: The aunt said the same thing until about a rear ago before taking it all back and admitting it was her sister. I'd take anything grandpa says about his sweet little girl with a barrel of salt. i've got no dog in this fight. but a dad taking his daughter's side of things vs his former son-in-law ?? not surprising ... 'my little sweet pea was an angel before she met that bastard...' messed up situation in any case |
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Posted: 9/10/2024 9:23:03 AM EDT
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Do we know how/where the kid got the rifle yet?
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Posted: 9/10/2024 9:31:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Toker_: So the mom knew the son had thoughts of shooting up a school? Maybe mention that to the dad to make sure he didn't have access to the gun? I'm sure it wasn't just that morning that she had an inkling that her son wasn't right in the head. I wonder how she knew. I heard a clip of an interview with her this morning on the radio, she claimed she had no knowledge of the previous years interview with police. She is a doper so she could very well either be lying or forgot but someone must have tipped her off that morning, bet it was the dad. |
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Posted: 9/10/2024 9:38:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By L_JE: She was in contact with school officials in the days/week[s] prior. School counselor requested that the student see a therapist the week[s] before. A counselor may have spoken with Colt Gray earlier that morning, and may have sent other personnel to look for Gray the class period before the Algebra class - but somewhere along the line, it looks like they got his name mixed up with another student's name. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By L_JE: Originally Posted By networkguru: She was in contact with her son? If a parent calls a school and says that they believe their child is about to commit some kind of atrocity the bare minimum response should be a lock down of some sort while they start to spin up a more robust response. The kid should have been located and isolated. Instead, they forgot the kid's name. |
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Posted: 9/10/2024 9:40:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinSpinner: I wonder how she knew. I heard a clip of an interview with her this morning on the radio, she claimed she had no knowledge of the previous years interview with police. She is a doper so she could very well either be lying or forgot but someone must have tipped her off that morning, bet it was the dad. Colt sent her a single text that morning saying "I'm sorry mom" She knew something bad was about to go down and warned the school. |
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Posted: 9/10/2024 9:44:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Do we know how/where the kid got the rifle yet? |
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Posted: 9/10/2024 9:53:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NIevo: No shit, by 14 I had a .357, .243, 7mm Rem Mag and a 12gauge.  Lots of kids are also driving around here by 14.I had my first truck before i was in 8th grade. At 12 grandpa and I hauled an OLD dodge inline 6 out of the junkyard and threw an orange triangle on back so i could go to work. On a down hill, with a tail wind I could MAYBE go 40. Plus while it had 4x4, it didnt have a rear differential so it was more of a front wheel drive pickup. with a 4 speed manual and a high low range. LOL . Some day if im ever back in Idaho i want to get it back out of the junk yard and restore it. |
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Posted: 9/10/2024 9:59:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HEATSEAKER: Two BS artists colluding. The cops missed a lot of red flags in that interview. A lot of it was nerves to be honest but there were some tales from the kid that indicated further follow-up was warranted. Our local SO has a program just for this type of thing. The dad was obviously trying to shield his son but should've taken the action to lock up stuff. |
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Posted: 9/10/2024 10:26:04 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jeepnstein: If I had been as bad at my job as they were that day, I would be fired and teetering on the edge of criminal prosecution. But here we are. Blaming everyone except the people charged with protecting the students. If a parent calls a school and says that they believe their child is about to commit some kind of atrocity the bare minimum response should be a lock down of some sort while they start to spin up a more robust response. The kid should have been located and isolated. Instead, they forgot the kid's name. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jeepnstein: Originally Posted By L_JE: Originally Posted By networkguru: She was in contact with her son? If a parent calls a school and says that they believe their child is about to commit some kind of atrocity the bare minimum response should be a lock down of some sort while they start to spin up a more robust response. The kid should have been located and isolated. Instead, they forgot the kid's name. Do we know if the mom's "something bad" call to the school was the same call that said 5 schools would be shot up, starting with this one? Or did the school receive two separate calls warning them of a school shooting that morning? |
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Posted: 9/10/2024 10:28:28 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinSpinner: I wonder how she knew. I heard a clip of an interview with her this morning on the radio, she claimed she had no knowledge of the previous years interview with police. She is a doper so she could very well either be lying or forgot but someone must have tipped her off that morning, bet it was the dad. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinSpinner: Originally Posted By Toker_: So the mom knew the son had thoughts of shooting up a school? Maybe mention that to the dad to make sure he didn't have access to the gun? I'm sure it wasn't just that morning that she had an inkling that her son wasn't right in the head. I wonder how she knew. I heard a clip of an interview with her this morning on the radio, she claimed she had no knowledge of the previous years interview with police. She is a doper so she could very well either be lying or forgot but someone must have tipped her off that morning, bet it was the dad. Really nutty behavior usually doesn't happen in a vacuum. So your callers are all going to be equally if not more crazy. The school dropped the ball on this one. That's kind of a pattern. Nobody wants to deal with crazy for a variety of reasons so they just hand off responsibility to someone else. Our society has lost it's ability to confront bad behavior. |
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Posted: 9/10/2024 10:51:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: LordEC911]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Emoto: The boy constantly rocked side to side. Does that seem like normal behavior? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Emoto: The boy constantly rocked side to side. Does that seem like normal behavior? Most of the "killer interviewed by police" youtube videos I've seen say that it generally indicates the person is nervous. For some people, it can be a soothing action to try and cope with their nerves. There are techniques and lines of questioning that can help figure out if the person is simply nervous or trying to conceal information and/or lying. That is obviously much harder to accomplish during a voluntary interview on the porch and not in a controlled setting/environment. Don't we have a member that does or used to do threat assessment for cases like this? His input would be much more valuable than the stuff I gleaned from youtube videos. |
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Posted: 9/10/2024 11:03:50 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ATLDiver: A lot of it was nerves to be honest but there were some tales from the kid that indicated further follow-up was warranted. Our local SO has a program just for this type of thing. The dad was obviously trying to shield his son but should've taken the action to lock up stuff. In the video above Dad said he would only lock them up if the online threats proved to be from his troubled son. I think dad knew they probably were but didn't want to disappoint and distance his son by essentially saying he doesn't trust him to not go on a shooting spree. Remember we have a mom vs dad thing going on to be the kid's BFF instead of a real parent which is typical with divorce and custody battles. Dad should have just made up a story about hearing there have been some burglaries in the area so the guns are better off locked in a safe. |
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Posted: 9/10/2024 11:28:38 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sabrev65: according to a reliable source... 12 kids have been arrested for threats this week Add another one. Our small county closed school today due to a 14 year old threat on Tic Toc. Allegedly. |
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