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Link Posted: 8/6/2020 9:50:10 AM EDT
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Point taken......however, the people who built that hut are 500 MILLION times smarter than the braindead, dumbfucking asshole running for president on the democrat ticket.
Link Posted: 8/6/2020 9:50:55 AM EDT
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"The second one was built by slaves in a patriarchal system of oppression, " - some liberal arts studies professor, probably.
Link Posted: 8/6/2020 9:51:18 AM EDT
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All men are NOT created equally!

Actually, all men ARE created equally.  Which is not to say they are created equal.
Link Posted: 8/6/2020 9:57:11 AM EDT
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OP your whiteness is sickening
Link Posted: 8/6/2020 10:08:31 AM EDT
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A great deal of thought has gone into this concern over the centuries. The "Rights of Man" declared during the French Revolution set a goal of equality of opportunity, but not equality of ability.

From the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen, set by France's National Constituent Assembly in 1789, is a human civil rights document from the French Revolution.
Article 6: All the citizens, being equal in its eyes, are equally admissible to all public dignities, places, and employments, according to their capacity and without distinction other than that of their virtues and of their talents.

One could say that even the die-hard Marxists would agree (somewhat)
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is a slogan popularized by Karl Marx in his 1875 Critique of the Gotha Program.

Perhaps even the Marxist ideal above is not promising a comfortable lifestyle to all, but only "to his needs...". So what is the minimum a person "needs" in a Marxist society? A basic ration of food staples and a collective roof over one's head.  The impression I have today is that our current crop of would-be socialists translate this as everyone getting a luxury spa lifestyle, while partying and sleeping 10 hours a day, because, well... equality. I have good friends that struggled to get here from places like Cuba, China and the USSR, and they are some of the strongest opponents of this false promise.
Link Posted: 8/6/2020 10:17:51 AM EDT
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A great deal of thought has gone into this concern over the centuries. The "Rights of Man" declared during the French Revolution set a goal of equality of opportunity, but not equality of ability.

From the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen, set by France's National Constituent Assembly in 1789, is a human civil rights document from the French Revolution.
Article 6: All the citizens, being equal in its eyes, are equally admissible to all public dignities, places, and employments, according to their capacity and without distinction other than that of their virtues and of their talents.

One could say that even the die-hard Marxists would agree (somewhat)
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is a slogan popularized by Karl Marx in his 1875 Critique of the Gotha Program.

Perhaps even the Marxist ideal above is not promising a comfortable lifestyle to all, but only "to his needs...". So what is the minimum a person "needs" in a Marxist society? A basic ration of food staples and a collective roof over one's head.  The impression I have today is that our current crop of would-be socialists translate this as everyone getting a luxury spa lifestyle, while partying and sleeping 10 hours a day, because, well... equality. I have good friends that struggled to get here from places like Cuba, China and the USSR, and they are some of the strongest opponents of this false promise.
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All men are created equal (in that) they are endowed by their created with certain inalienable rights.

Everyone is equal in that we have these rights. We are not equal in much of anything else. We don't need to be.
Link Posted: 8/6/2020 10:40:21 AM EDT
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Created equally what?
Link Posted: 8/6/2020 10:48:54 AM EDT
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Equality of opportunity

You must have skills, initiative, imagination, social and familial connections, etc to take advantage of those opportunities.
Some people are less capable or less motivated.

Fact of life.

The people who demand equality of outcome are jealous failures.
Link Posted: 8/6/2020 11:43:49 AM EDT
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All men are created equal in that they should have equality under the law, equal rights, and equal access to opportunities.

All men; however, are not guaranteed equity when it comes to success, status, or income.
They also have to deal with whatever problems or privileges they are born with.

The left in this country don't accept this and look for ways to provide equity of outcome through affirmative action or socialism. If they had their way we would live in a Harrison Bergeron style dystopia.

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This is why everyone in class must proceed at the rate of the stupidest kid.

Let no dummy be left behind, and fuck the rest of the class.
Link Posted: 8/6/2020 11:47:52 AM EDT
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I'll bet that when the Colosseum was built the walls were not plastered with cow shit.

Just a hunch I have.
Link Posted: 8/6/2020 11:50:14 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/6/2020 11:50:17 AM EDT
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All men are NOT created equally!

Actually, all men ARE created equally.  Which is not to say they are created equal.
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Isn't there a slight difference due to greater mortality?

50%+ male, 49%+ female.
Link Posted: 8/6/2020 11:57:30 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/6/2020 12:27:55 PM EDT
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The quote from the Declaration of Independence is written from an 18th century perspective. It is in reference to the idea of human rights and is a rejection of a rigid caste system and of the concept of divine right. This is key to understand, you cannot be created equal to a man who rules over you as God's ordained sovereign. By stating your equality as a human being you are rejecting the very idea that another man is divinely ordained above you to rule you. You are stating that the government should have to respect your rights and that your leaders should be bound to respect your rights. These were all novel ideas.  
It does not mean that all mean have equal abilities, that is an interpretation that is obviously absurd.

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The English system, even with a king was still extremely progressive for Europe thanks in large to the Magna Carta. The Declaration of Independence was invoking the ideas of rights that stemmed from that tradition.

For examples of opposing ideas see:
1. Frederick William IV of Prussia  (Mr. A crown from the Gutter, when offered the title a king of the Germans.)
2. Louis_XIV (Mr. I am the state. and continued of the caste system outlined in the Ancien Régime.)
3. Style of the French Sovereign The difference between the Legitimists and the Orléanist was real and not a concept limited to just France. King of the French vs the King of France. Little changes in words meant big things to them. It may seem odd or difficult to wrap one's mind around, but there were European nations that legitimately believed in Divine right as a government policy in the 18th and even 19th centuries.
4. Orthodoxy, Autocracy and Nationality (The Russian counter revolutionary policy of Orthodoxy, Autocracy, and Nationality.  Opposite of the liberal ideas of the west.)

For an easy to listen to podcast content I highly recommend the Revolutions podcast. In particular:
1. The French Revolution
2. The Bourbon Restoration and July revolution
3. The Failed Revolutions of 1848
4. The Russian Revolution
Link Posted: 8/6/2020 1:18:05 PM EDT
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Ironically, the top structure is still standing while the bottom one is a ruin, with the Roman Empire long gone.
Link Posted: 8/6/2020 1:20:02 PM EDT
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If you don't believe in God, the statement doesn't apply. The founders meant  all men are created equal in God's eyes. That's why the following statement says "Endowed by our creator". If your an atheist or agnostic, it won't make sense to you. Move on to something else. It's a puzzle your trying to solve without the major piece.
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Only took eleven replies before this poster got it right.
This place is an amazing echo chamber of intellectual sterility.
Link Posted: 8/6/2020 1:22:51 PM EDT
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We are not all created equal.

There is also a lot of confusion between equal outcome and equal opportunity.

Link Posted: 8/6/2020 1:23:46 PM EDT
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Freedom is not free

Free men are not equal

Equal men are not free.
Link Posted: 8/6/2020 1:25:03 PM EDT
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Only took eleven replies before this poster got it right.
This place is an amazing echo chamber of intellectual sterility.
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Its a gather of link mined folks, what do you expect?

Not exactly like their is a large liberal following of this forum.
Link Posted: 8/6/2020 1:29:19 PM EDT
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Leftists tend to have a hard time understanding the difference between Equal Opportunity VS Equality of Outcome.
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Oh they understand. And they've subtly changed the language yet again to get it into the collective consciousness.

Notice all the talk recently about racial "equity"? That's exactly what that means and most of the population isn't giving it a second thought. Same with "anti-racism". Altering the language just enough so it sounds good to people, but way different implications.
Link Posted: 8/6/2020 1:30:37 PM EDT
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Ironically, the top structure is still standing while the bottom one is a ruin.  
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You must first climb high before you are able to fall far.
Link Posted: 8/6/2020 1:38:33 PM EDT
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You must first climb high before you are able to fall far.
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Ironically, the top structure is still standing while the bottom one is a ruin.  

You must first climb high before you are able to fall far.
What will the first one look like in a coupe of thousand years?
Link Posted: 8/6/2020 1:40:01 PM EDT
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You must first climb high before you are able to fall far.
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Ironically, the top structure is still standing while the bottom one is a ruin.  

You must first climb high before you are able to fall far.


No doubt.  It is an interesting observation though.  

Who is more successful?  

The star that burn brightest and then implodes, or the one that never burns brightly but persists.

The poster didn’t mean the two photos this way, but it’s a good metaphor for things like career and society.  
Link Posted: 8/6/2020 1:40:12 PM EDT
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Ironically, the top structure is still standing while the bottom one is a ruin, with the Roman Empire long gone.
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The Roman Empire may be gone but it's decendents are living in skyscrapers and flying airplanes. While the decendents of those that were living in mud huts 2 thousand years ago still are.
Link Posted: 8/6/2020 1:42:25 PM EDT
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Of course not, OP. Tall, short, smart, dumb, etc....

But that’s not what the founders meant.
Link Posted: 8/6/2020 1:47:45 PM EDT
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Equal treatment under the law does not mean people are entitled to equal opportunities in life or equal outcomes.
Link Posted: 8/6/2020 3:02:03 PM EDT
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It only meant in a legal and moral way, nobody is the king and nobody is a slave.

It just means everybody has the same God given inalienable rights.
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