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Posted: 2/5/2023 3:35:00 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Here is the Garand in 9.3x62. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/234818/image000004_1_-2699374.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/234818/image000001_2_-2699375.jpg  Attached FileKharn |
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Posted: 2/5/2023 3:35:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/5/2023 3:36:12 PM EDT
[#3]
I want a (brain fart)
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Posted: 2/5/2023 3:40:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/466744/72F1CDB2-882A-4C7E-98E4-8912FC67E1D5_jpe-2699438.JPG They did some in 67 also I would love to have a USMC rifle. |
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Posted: 2/5/2023 3:42:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why? 30.06 is the original. Anything else is silly, or an affectation. This is a mindset which I don’t understand. I like the idea of both the 6.5 and .270, both much closer to the original Garand cartridge than the .30/06. It can be converted back to .30/06 if necessary. Why it would be necessary, I don’t know. |
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Posted: 2/5/2023 3:55:48 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I always wanted to get a 308 garand. This is what I want |
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Posted: 2/5/2023 4:09:26 PM EDT
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How 'bout a .375 H&H, with a combat mix of 300gr spitzers and round noses? Just sayin', an 8 round clip holds five....
  
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Posted: 2/5/2023 4:10:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How 'bout a .375 H&H, with a combat mix of 300gr spitzers and round noses? Just sayin', an 8 round clip holds five.... https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52671461473_79b2e719b3_c.jpg Wait, is there a rifle to go with that?!? |
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Posted: 2/5/2023 4:11:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait, is there a rifle to go with that?!? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How 'bout a .375 H&H, with a combat mix of 300gr spitzers and round noses? Just sayin', an 8 round clip holds five.... https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52671461473_79b2e719b3_c.jpg Wait, is there a rifle to go with that?!? Oh hell no. I wish.  Remembered I had a couple leftover clips, and few rounds of .375, and thought "hmm...".
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Posted: 2/5/2023 4:13:59 PM EDT
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Jokes aside, and as much as I'm a bit of a purist when it comes to Garands, they have been done in .35 Whelen, and I'd forgive myself in short order for one.
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Posted: 2/5/2023 4:16:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How 'bout a .375 H&H, with a combat mix of 300gr spitzers and round noses? Just sayin', an 8 round clip holds five.... https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52671461473_79b2e719b3_c.jpg What about 300 grain 9.3 mm steel jacketed solids loaded to 2300 fps?  |
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Posted: 2/5/2023 4:47:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I need to know more about this picture, good sir. Sorry aboot that, one of my grail guns: OOOD: McCann Industries .458 Win Mag Garand 
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Posted: 2/5/2023 5:23:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why? 30.06 is the original. Anything else is silly, or an affectation. |
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Posted: 2/5/2023 5:35:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why? 30.06 is the original. Anything else is silly, or an affectation. Except it's kinda not though. .276 Pedersen |
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Posted: 2/5/2023 5:41:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry aboot that, one of my grail guns: OOOD: McCann Industries .458 Win Mag Garand https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/11536032_899328190151902_8861111934144578461_n-602x660.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I need to know more about this picture, good sir. Sorry aboot that, one of my grail guns: OOOD: McCann Industries .458 Win Mag Garand https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/11536032_899328190151902_8861111934144578461_n-602x660.jpg I thought I was crazy… I knew it existed. Want. |
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Posted: 2/5/2023 6:27:50 PM EDT
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Friend of mine has one in 6xc he bought from a guy handling the sale of a former local competitors rifles and reloading gear. I almost bought it, but went with a M70 target rifle instead the same guy was selling. It shoots extremely well for what it is. No bedding, beat up GI stock. Shockingly well at 200 yds with 70 grain sierras and somewhere in the 35-36 grain range of IMR3031. First time he shot a complete rapid fire string with it at 200, 100-10x on the SR1 prone with the sling. Impressive for a garand.
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Posted: 2/5/2023 6:34:57 PM EDT
[#17]
Damn…a .270 Garand sounds like a fantastic hunting rifle.
I may need to snag one of the CMP Rack Grades. Maybe if I ask nicely they’ll send me one with a decent receiver but clapped out barrel.
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Posted: 2/5/2023 11:03:15 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: .270 Garand is better in every way. Recoil is light and it shoots like a laser. |
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Posted: 2/5/2023 11:09:51 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why? 30.06 is the original. Anything else is silly, or an affectation. Some of us have certain gun preferences and like cartridge compatibility among them and not having a ton of cartridges in the collection. Someone may have lots of .308 FALs and G3s and ammo with nothing in 30-06 and would like to get a M1 Garand. A .308 version may fit the bill. However, I do have some exceptions to this personal rule of mine. |
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Posted: 2/5/2023 11:16:04 PM EDT
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I like every one of these so far, personally I'd like to have one in 338-06.
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Posted: 2/5/2023 11:25:57 PM EDT
[#21]
General George Patton described it as "the greatest battle implement ever devised."
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Posted: 2/5/2023 11:28:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He's not wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why? 30.06 is the original. Anything else is silly, or an affectation. He's not wrong. Yes he is. |
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Posted: 2/5/2023 11:31:48 PM EDT
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I would love an 8x57 or 7x57/.280 Garand if they were possible.
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Posted: 2/5/2023 11:32:43 PM EDT
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How does the .458 Win Mag retain full capacity? The case head is substantially larger than .30-06
Since 6.5x55 cannot be improved upon, I offer 7mm Mauser as a suggestion…or .30-03 just to mess with people. |
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Posted: 2/5/2023 11:33:57 PM EDT
[#25]
Always wanted one in 35 Whelen.
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Posted: 2/5/2023 11:34:42 PM EDT
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After seeing the mini Garand builds I always wanted a 338win 16” build with a ultimak rail and a T-1.
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Posted: 2/5/2023 11:41:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jokes aside, and as much as I'm a bit of a purist when it comes to Garands, they have been done in .35 Whelen, and I'd forgive myself in short order for one. Want something even more ridiculous than oddball calibers in a Garand? A .35 Whelen is perfectly legal in Iowa for deer hunting. .30-06 is not. All because DNR set the minimum bullet diameter as .35", max at .500. Meaning while I can't use a .30-30, a .375 Chey-Tac or .416 Barrett would be just fine. |
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Posted: 2/5/2023 11:48:09 PM EDT
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Saw a 25.06 at a gun show once about 10 years back. Was selling for $10k. Springfield Armory version. Seemed legit at the guy selling it said it was an experimental version. He worked at the Springfield Armory and the gun show was in west Springfield mass
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Posted: 2/5/2023 11:54:01 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Saw a 25.06 at a gun show once about 10 years back. Was selling for $10k. Springfield Armory version. Seemed legit at the guy selling it said it was an experimental version. He worked at the Springfield Armory and the gun show was in west Springfield mass .25-06, or .22-06? Because .22-06 was definitely an experimental Garand. One version used two bullets per round and I think another used three bullets per round. Early attempt at defeating body armor. |
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Posted: 2/6/2023 12:00:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 35 Whelen Ive worked on one of them. Came here to post this. |
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Posted: 2/6/2023 12:14:28 AM EDT
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I like to hae one 6.5x55 swed.
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Posted: 2/6/2023 12:21:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry aboot that, one of my grail guns: OOOD: McCann Industries .458 Win Mag Garand https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/11536032_899328190151902_8861111934144578461_n-602x660.jpg That's the one. |
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Posted: 2/6/2023 12:35:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Want something even more ridiculous than oddball calibers in a Garand? A .35 Whelen is perfectly legal in Iowa for deer hunting. .30-06 is not. All because DNR set the minimum bullet diameter as .35", max at .500. Meaning while I can't use a .30-30, a .375 Chey-Tac or .416 Barrett would be just fine. That is a level of tardation that I'd usually apply to Minnesota, or even Michigan, but not Iowa. |
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Posted: 2/6/2023 12:57:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryIf we are considering prototypes, 30-06 primer actuated was first. He then started work on a 30 cal semi auto, T1. Then they decided 276 was the cartridge to use so he developed a prototype in that, T2. Then later they decided 30-06 would be it so he went back to providing the prototype T1. So as much as everyone is intrigued by the 276 version. The 30 cal was first design direction and final prototype and 276 was not his idea. |
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Posted: 2/6/2023 1:09:18 AM EDT
[#35]
Fluffy, your threads deliver. This one sure did. Nice slings, sir.
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Posted: 2/6/2023 1:33:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I always wanted to get a 308 garand. Got one, love it |
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Posted: 2/6/2023 1:37:27 AM EDT
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I wonder if you could get .22-250 to work in one, I know it doesn't like auto loaders very much but I figure the M1 has a really far out gas port which gives it more of a chance to lose pressure before the case gets extracted.
I love fluffy M1 threads though
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Posted: 2/6/2023 2:47:29 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This of course Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why? 30.06 is the original. Anything else is silly, or an affectation. Except it's kinda not though. .276 Pedersen Kind of cool  |
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Posted: 2/6/2023 3:47:05 AM EDT
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The .276 Pedersen used a 125 grain 7mm bullet. The cartridge used a propellant load of approximately 32 grains of powder. The muzzle velocity was about 2740 fps.
In experimenting with the 6.5x55mm cartridge I wanted to get similar ballistic performance and I also wanted use a similar powder charge. I also wanted to use a standard Garand gas screw because I wanted a rifle that except for the caliber would be standard military issue. I decided to use 39.5 grains of IMR 4895 and this will produce approximately 2750 fps together with a 120 grain Hornady match bullet. The felt recoil of this load would be very similar to the .276 Pedersen and a 6.5x55 Garand would be a simple way for me to get the sense of a .276 Pedersen Garand. When launched at 2750 fps, the 120 grain Hornady match bullet will still be travelling at over 1100 fps at 1000 yards. The trajectory would be flat. When shooting this 120 grain 6.5mm load in the Garand, I can't believe how mild mannered the gun is. The recoil feels like shooting a Mini-14 in .223. The original .276 Pedersen had the same case head diameter as the 6.5x54 Mannlicher and also the 7.62x39mm. Had the .276 Pedersen been adopted, it would still be in service today. The .276 Pedersen had a case 51mm long and the round would have been perfectly at home in an AR-10 type rifle. |
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Posted: 2/6/2023 9:53:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The .276 Pedersen used a 125 grain 7mm bullet. The cartridge used a propellant load of approximately 32 grains of powder. The muzzle velocity was about 2740 fps. In experimenting with the 6.5x55mm cartridge I wanted to get similar ballistic performance and I also wanted use a similar powder charge. I also wanted to use a standard Garand gas screw because I wanted a rifle that except for the caliber would be standard military issue. I decided to use 39.5 grains of IMR 4895 and this will produce approximately 2750 fps together with a 120 grain Hornady match bullet. The felt recoil of this load would be very similar to the .276 Pedersen and a 6.5x55 Garand would be a simple way for me to get the sense of a .276 Pedersen Garand. When launched at 2750 fps, the 120 grain Hornady match bullet will still be travelling at over 1100 fps at 1000 yards. The trajectory would be flat. When shooting this 120 grain 6.5mm load in the Garand, I can't believe how mild mannered the gun is. The recoil feels like shooting a Mini-14 in .223. The original .276 Pedersen had the same case head diameter as the 6.5x54 Mannlicher and also the 7.62x39mm. Had the .276 Pedersen been adopted, it would still be in service today. The .276 Pedersen had a case 51mm long and the round would have been perfectly at home in an AR-10 type rifle. Basically 7mm-08 |
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Posted: 2/6/2023 10:26:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Basically 7mm-08 Not quite. Basically it was a lengthened version of the 7.62x39 necked down to 7mm. Both 7.62x39 and .276 Pedersen have the same 0.446" casehead diameter. |
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