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Posted: 7/23/2023 1:21:47 PM EDT
Anyone here lucky enough to fire live rounds out of a Carl Gustav recoilless rifle?
Are they not considered RPG’s?  ?? The Mighty Carl Gustaf MAAWS: A King Among Weapons 
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Posted: 7/23/2023 1:30:41 PM EDT
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Paging the goose hunter
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Posted: 7/23/2023 1:31:08 PM EDT
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A few. Favorite thing to shoot with that warm, concussive embrace. Shoot one from prone or kneeling for extra TBI.
 I was in a position to use it on a real, live Syrian T-62 back in 2018 had it not been knocked out by other air assets before it got close enough. Still sad about it 
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Posted: 7/23/2023 1:34:03 PM EDT
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Sure there are some here that have..
But they probably didn’t hear you. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 1:35:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/23/2023 1:39:41 PM EDT
[#5]
Everyone wants to fire it but no one wants to carry it lol
DK-lol can correct me if I'm wrong but I think the worst job is the assistant Carl gunner who just gets to carry the rounds and apparently it is heavy AF |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 1:42:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOK that is freaking awesome!! |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 1:44:57 PM EDT
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We should have just admitted that the rooskies had a good idea ( yeah I know the basically copied the nazis) and issued american made rpg's.
https://airtronic-usa.com/products/airtronic-rpg-7-usa/ |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 1:45:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Paging the goose hunter @DK-Prof I think he has fired one or two. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 1:47:13 PM EDT
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@swede1986 is another good one to talk to about this
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Posted: 7/23/2023 1:56:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Everyone wants to fire it but no one wants to carry it lol DK-lol can correct me if I'm wrong but I think the worst job is the assistant Carl gunner who just gets to carry the rounds and apparently it is heavy AF I can confirm this - I carried them tied to my ruck w paracord, and it sucked. And then I did it again at that memorial hike. It still sucked. ETA: Shooting them though, it's pretty neat. There is another sim for them that uses a 9mm or 12 ga blank, which we used in the Canadian Armed Forces in the late 80's/90's. And we always thought the CG sucked and we'd just get mowed down by the rooskies after popping a shot off, kinda like Piat guns in WW2. Modern rounds in them are pretty darn effective though. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 1:58:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can confirm this - I carried them tied to my ruck w paracord, and it sucked. And then I did it again at that memorial hike. It still sucked. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Everyone wants to fire it but no one wants to carry it lol DK-lol can correct me if I'm wrong but I think the worst job is the assistant Carl gunner who just gets to carry the rounds and apparently it is heavy AF I can confirm this - I carried them tied to my ruck w paracord, and it sucked. And then I did it again at that memorial hike. It still sucked. I love how you and I actively discouraged it but people would always say "Nah nah it's super cool bring it! I'll carry it!" Then somehow the guys who specifically said "don't bring it, I don't want to carry it" ended up carrying it. 
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Posted: 7/23/2023 2:00:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/23/2023 2:21:01 PM EDT
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Quoted: Anyone here lucky enough to fire live rounds out of a Carl Gustav recoilless rifle? Are they not considered RPG’s? It's an interesting weapons system, because it is an RPG launcher (for various HEAT rounds), but it is also a recoilless rifle (you can see the rifling in the youtube thunbnail you posted) - with a variety of other types of rounds, including anti-personnel shrapnel round (with fusing for airburst), as well as smoke and illumination rounds. All round, an extremely versatile system. Some U.S. units were issued them in Afghanistan, so there are a few mil-bros on the site who had fired one. ETA: The M2 is heavy as fuck, at over 30 lbs empty, and another 7-10 lbs per round.  The M3 - developed in the 80s, I think - was substantially lighter. And the M4 is even lighter and shorter. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 2:28:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Everyone wants to fire it but no one wants to carry it lol DK-lol can correct me if I'm wrong but I think the worst job is the assistant Carl gunner who just gets to carry the rounds and apparently it is heavy AF Yes, the assistant role was awful (in the 80s and 90s), because they had to carry the (very heavy) ammo, which came in hard plastic containers, with narrow hard plastic handles. One in each hand, so your personal weapon had to be slung, and your hands would hurt and your arms were getting longer and more baboon-like every day. Fortunately, I never had that role. These days, I believe there are all sorts of nifty back-pack solutions and carrying systems for the ammo - but back then, it was just a miserable job to be responsible for running around with these in each hand. 
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Posted: 7/23/2023 2:59:01 PM EDT
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Bring back the laws ??
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Posted: 7/23/2023 3:22:50 PM EDT
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Yeah I've fired the Goose a dozen times or so, it gets less fun when your nose is bleeding and you're dizzy
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Posted: 7/23/2023 3:41:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah I've fired the Goose a dozen times or so, it gets less fun when your nose is bleeding and you're dizzy It's like the opposite of cocaine? |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 4:14:03 PM EDT
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I figured you were talking about one of these beasts:
 Carl Gustav 20mm recoilless rifle at O.F.A.S.T.S. 2010 |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 4:53:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Everyone wants to fire it but no one wants to carry it lol DK-lol can correct me if I'm wrong but I think the worst job is the assistant Carl gunner who just gets to carry the rounds and apparently it is heavy AF This is true. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 4:58:03 PM EDT
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What makes the weapon worth its weight are the various warheads.
The terrain and speed usually precluded us from bringing them with the direct teams, but they definitely had an important role with supporting teams when possible where they and the ammo was usually transported by a couple of ATVs (as in quads). |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 5:06:11 PM EDT
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Hurts a lot more to fire these days than it used to. Shoot a couple and AG a few…. Headache and everything inside your chest feels awful.
RPGs LAWs, and AT-4’s (especially the CS versions) aren’t quite as bad. Awesome weapon system though. The air burst rounds kick ass. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 5:07:45 PM EDT
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lol... you had me fooled OP. Read topic title and wondered why you'd be here in arfcom land talking about a precision bullseye target gun.
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Posted: 7/23/2023 5:14:01 PM EDT
[#23]
don't clench your jaw when you fire it...
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Posted: 7/23/2023 5:47:20 PM EDT
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I've been waiting a while to find this out-- how does the Carl Gustav stack up against the SMAW? I know the Rangers out here that I've spoken to sure like the Goose, but we have no Marines at Fort Lost (that I know of anyway)
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Posted: 7/23/2023 6:00:23 PM EDT
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Nope, but I fired a 3" mortar from a make shift stock this 4th.
Won't be doing that anymore... |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 6:02:01 PM EDT
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/wave
Bundeswehr along the Albanian border during KFOR. Was in a unit that took out a BRDM with one. Lit it right on fire. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 6:08:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @DK-Prof I think he has fired one or two. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 7:11:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've been waiting a while to find this out-- how does the Carl Gustav stack up against the SMAW? I know the Rangers out here that I've spoken to sure like the Goose, but we have no Marines at Fort Lost (that I know of anyway) It's a more a versatile weapon, we should have adopted it instead of the Mk153 SMAW but at the time the Marine Corps did not like the way the ammo was handled. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 8:25:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, the assistant role was awful (in the 80s and 90s), because they had to carry the (very heavy) ammo, which came in hard plastic containers, with narrow hard plastic handles. One in each hand, so your personal weapon had to be slung, and your hands would hurt and your arms were getting longer and more baboon-like every day. Fortunately, I never had that role. These days, I believe there are all sorts of nifty back-pack solutions and carrying systems for the ammo - but back then, it was just a miserable job to be responsible for running around with these in each hand. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1715/57807.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Everyone wants to fire it but no one wants to carry it lol DK-lol can correct me if I'm wrong but I think the worst job is the assistant Carl gunner who just gets to carry the rounds and apparently it is heavy AF Yes, the assistant role was awful (in the 80s and 90s), because they had to carry the (very heavy) ammo, which came in hard plastic containers, with narrow hard plastic handles. One in each hand, so your personal weapon had to be slung, and your hands would hurt and your arms were getting longer and more baboon-like every day. Fortunately, I never had that role. These days, I believe there are all sorts of nifty back-pack solutions and carrying systems for the ammo - but back then, it was just a miserable job to be responsible for running around with these in each hand. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1715/57807.JPG There are 4 round backpacks and slings for the hard shell plastic carriers. |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 12:08:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: warm, concussive embrace. Shoot one from prone or kneeling for extra TBI.  Attached File(never fired a CG, but understand the sentiment) The 20mm one looks kinda cool 
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Posted: 7/24/2023 3:08:54 AM EDT
[#31]
You can just feel the TBI in this video.
 Carl Gustav RFK 84MM |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 3:24:07 AM EDT
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Tag
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Posted: 7/24/2023 3:31:37 AM EDT
[#33]
Yes. Wonderful weapon.
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Posted: 7/24/2023 3:32:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOMG 
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Posted: 7/24/2023 4:30:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah I've fired the Goose a dozen times or so, it gets less fun when your nose is bleeding and you're dizzy A buddy of mine fired a ton of them in regiment. Blast overpressure messed him up. |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 4:31:37 AM EDT
[#36]
I think I have heard from those that have that they were extremely loud.
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Posted: 7/24/2023 4:50:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We should have just admitted that the rooskies had a good idea ( yeah I know the basically copied the nazis) and issued american made rpg's. https://airtronic-usa.com/products/airtronic-rpg-7-usa/ Panzerfaust 3 is a better example. |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 5:34:23 AM EDT
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In Alaska we had the m-67 90 mm. Every once in a while we would live fire them, very loud and the sub cal trainer was heavy. All in all I liked it better than the Dragon
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Posted: 7/24/2023 11:16:52 AM EDT
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They're loud as fuck, and you should try to keep the backblast area clear because the backblast will bounce back at you if there's a wall behind you. When firing high-angle shots, flare rounds, you can feel it.
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Posted: 7/24/2023 11:20:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Everyone wants to fire it but no one wants to carry it lol DK-lol can correct me if I'm wrong but I think the worst job is the assistant Carl gunner who just gets to carry the rounds and apparently it is heavy AF The AG will usually carry a pair of two-round canisters, everyone else in the squad gets to carry a single two-round canister. |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 11:22:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We should have just admitted that the rooskies had a good idea ( yeah I know the basically copied the nazis) and issued american made rpg's. https://airtronic-usa.com/products/airtronic-rpg-7-usa/ The RPG7 has two benefits over the CG, it's cheaper and it can use oversized warheads. The CG is, however, more versatile and far more accurate (especially in a cross wind), and has greater effective range and a higher rate of fire. |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 11:29:35 AM EDT
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I think doctrine is to limit the user to firing something like 3 rounds a day (or maybe even per week) to avoid TBI.
There are multiple people who have run 30+ rounds during a firefight. You'll probably be seeing late night commercials to sue the manufacturer like with the Haliburton burn pits or the 3M hearing protection. |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 11:32:27 AM EDT
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The airburst looks knarly. Approx 2:00 for the money shot
 M3 Carl Gustav Recoilless rifle, HE 441 round |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 11:38:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The airburst looks knarly. Approx 2:00 for the money shot  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmyFnxt7h5QHell yes it does! Yikes!! |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 11:41:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The airburst looks knarly. Approx 2:00 for the money shot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmyFnxt7h5QAirbust is very cool. Our training was to (ideally) use separate laser rangefinder to determine range, then fuse one round to that range, one round to 20m further, and one round to 20 closer, and then fire all three in quick succession ... aiming about 5-10m above the enemy position. But in practice, we mostly trained for the HEAT rocket rounds, simply because the fight we were preparing for was a defensive one against armored divisions. We'd also train with illumination and smoke as well, but almost never with the anti-personnel rounds. And even the illumination and smoke was rare, because every platoon has a 60m mortar, and every company had three 81mm mortars, so smoke and illumination was just a radio call away, and it wouldn't necessarily make sense to use the Carl Gustav for that. |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 11:55:27 AM EDT
[#46]
Carried it several times, which totally sucked...live fired once, which did not suck!
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Posted: 7/24/2023 11:57:19 AM EDT
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Didnt I see somewhere the .mil was experimenting with US made RPG's? Or buying com bloc RPG's for US Forced? Mandela effect?
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Posted: 7/24/2023 12:07:30 PM EDT
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Anybody get to try those rounds that are designed for confined spaces?
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Posted: 7/24/2023 12:08:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didnt I see somewhere the .mil was experimenting with US made RPG's? Or buying com bloc RPG's for US Forced? Mandela effect? |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 12:09:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We should have just admitted that the rooskies had a good idea ( yeah I know the basically copied the nazis) and issued american made rpg's. https://airtronic-usa.com/products/airtronic-rpg-7-usa/ For the Trijicon thread, how does one go about acquiring one of the sighting systems available for the AirTronic RPG? 3.5x35 Trijicon® ACOG® TA11 Scope with Custom RPG BDC Reticle |
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