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Posted: 10/16/2022 7:45:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does Oklahoma City count as "big" for these purposes? Like any big city it has plenty of bad parts. |
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Posted: 10/16/2022 7:45:56 PM EDT
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Now?
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Posted: 10/16/2022 7:48:50 PM EDT
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Big cities have always been cesspools.
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Posted: 10/16/2022 7:51:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes they are all like that. |
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Posted: 10/16/2022 8:08:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I graduated from Wichita State about 30 years ago. At that time there were some pretty rough areas. Hopefully it’s not worse than I remember as the majority of the city was GTG. Salina only counts as a big city to people from Kansas  We’ve been in Wichita 25 years. Not only has it grown, it’s gotten better and there’s a civic pride that’s palpable. The city flag is everywhere, on people’s clothes, on their cars, on stores, etc… Civic art is a big thing here now, and the downtown/Riverwalk area is going through a renaissance. We have a gorgeous new arena, a Cabela’s (which used to be cool before BP…), Dave and Busters, Top Golf, all the stuff of a city much larger. Lots of money in Wichita. Hell, we even have a B-29…  Honestly, we moved here from Orlando, and CA before that. We’re still here because it’s so damn easy to live here. Cost of living and real estate are sane. Job market is multi-faceted and good. And you can get anywhere from here.. we’re right in the middle. KS has the best gun and knife laws in the country (sorry AZ), and hunting is legit. Plus, I’m in town, but can be in the sticks in twenty minutes. And it gets cold enough to keep the bums limited. Our GM from FL recently visited and was blown away. People are nice here. It’s the Midwest. |
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Posted: 10/16/2022 8:23:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/16/2022 8:33:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Every one run by leftists. |
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Posted: 10/16/2022 8:40:51 PM EDT
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There’s areas that are VERY nice immaculate in the $5,000 a month price range neighborhoods.
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Posted: 10/16/2022 8:42:02 PM EDT
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Stockton is 87% a shithole
 Suspected serial killer in northern California arrested | GMA |
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Posted: 10/16/2022 8:48:41 PM EDT
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San Diego?
Spent a week there pre Covid and it was not bad. Not sure how the last two years have changed it. |
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Posted: 10/16/2022 8:48:45 PM EDT
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They pretty much always have been.
You see a lot less fucks given where homeless people are allowed to congregate but for the most part they've always been there. Granted our population has expanded a but so a similar percentage could look a lot worse in a rapidly expanding area. West coast is not a terrible place to be homeless between weather and benefits. So i think cali is certainly worse than ever. |
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Posted: 10/16/2022 8:51:27 PM EDT
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What seems to be the common denominator…anything obvious?
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Posted: 10/16/2022 9:48:21 PM EDT
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I've always thought that cities were disgusting. Even back in the 60s, when my parents would take me to the city, it was always to get something done and head back to the suburbs. I grew up wanting to move away from the city, and eventually did.
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Posted: 10/16/2022 9:53:32 PM EDT
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Diversity is their strength.
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Posted: 10/16/2022 9:56:18 PM EDT
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The Vegas Strip is physically dirty IMO but it's a great time.
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Posted: 10/16/2022 9:58:49 PM EDT
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Kansas City, Wichita, Tulsa, OKC, and Ft. Worth are all pretty good for “Big Cities”. They are also far less liberal than most.
There are certainly liberals and shitty areas in all of the places above, but there’s absolutely no comparison to a San Francisco, Portland, Seattle, etc. |
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Posted: 10/16/2022 10:02:22 PM EDT
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Not sure if Boise counts as “big” but it seemed decent enough the couple times I was their.
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Posted: 10/17/2022 7:58:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We’ve been in Wichita 25 years. Not only has it grown, it’s gotten better and there’s a civic pride that’s palpable. The city flag is everywhere, on people’s clothes, on their cars, on stores, etc… Civic art is a big thing here now, and the downtown/Riverwalk area is going through a renaissance. We have a gorgeous new arena, a Cabela’s (which used to be cool before BP…), Dave and Busters, Top Golf, all the stuff of a city much larger. Lots of money in Wichita. Hell, we even have a B-29… Honestly, we moved here from Orlando, and CA before that. We’re still here because it’s so damn easy to live here. Cost of living and real estate are sane. Job market is multi-faceted and good. And you can get anywhere from here.. we’re right in the middle. KS has the best gun and knife laws in the country (sorry AZ), and hunting is legit. Plus, I’m in town, but can be in the sticks in twenty minutes. And it gets cold enough to keep the bums limited. Our GM from FL recently visited and was blown away. People are nice here. It’s the Midwest. Sounds about right. I miss Kansas |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 8:15:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In town for a few days, first time since Mardi Gras 2020, and the downtown NOLA area is an order of magnitude shittier than it was two years ago. The amount of graffiti and trash everywhere was immediately noticeable. The burned out car and pickup truck on the way to Charlie's Steakhouse was a nice touch too... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: New Orleans actually smells a little better these days, but probably twice as liklely to get shot, stabbed, murdered, car jacked or raped In town for a few days, first time since Mardi Gras 2020, and the downtown NOLA area is an order of magnitude shittier than it was two years ago. The amount of graffiti and trash everywhere was immediately noticeable. The burned out car and pickup truck on the way to Charlie's Steakhouse was a nice touch too... ah yes, it's starting to remind me of pre katrina 
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Posted: 10/17/2022 8:21:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Of course not. https://www.floornature.com/media/photos/1/15799/01_foster-partners_apple-store_marina-bay-sands_full.jpg https://media.cntraveler.com/photos/5a90b77fc6516a534a530483/16:9/w_2560,c_limit/Marina-Bay-Sands__2018_original.jpg https://velvetescape.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/IMG_0171-1280x920.jpeg https://i.natgeofe.com/n/d3eb75f2-1cfb-4934-8def-8ff7a39985b8/1-urban-innovator-singapore-AP_17028110123351_4x3.jpg …oh, you meant American cities? Yeah, they’re all disgusting. Yeah, Singapore, where they throw you in jail for litter and just shoot you for drugs. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 8:31:36 AM EDT
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The only city I have to go into with any semblance of regularity is Louisville. I'm not crazy about the place, especially downtown, but never personally had any trouble there. Other family members have.
At least Kentucky is very carry friendly. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 8:38:49 AM EDT
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Downtown Pittsburgh, the strip district, and the south side works are nice. East carson st is old school Pittsburgh and theres a ton of good food down there, but I keep my head on a swivel if I'm walking down the sidewalk. Sections of Frankstown road look like they're straight out of 1980s Harlem. Only road I kept my gun on my lap while driving. Fuck that place.
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Posted: 10/17/2022 8:52:25 AM EDT
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All cities are disgusting and always have been. @whiskersthecat
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Posted: 10/17/2022 8:54:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, Singapore, where they throw you in jail for litter and just shoot you for drugs. Funny, I never had a problem living there. But then, I don’t litter or do drugs. Those things are perfectly acceptable in Philadelphia, San Francisco etc…works well for us. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 8:59:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does Oklahoma City count as "big" for these purposes? OKC has about 1 million people with thousands of Texans moving here on the daily. But OKC seems to doing pretty good. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 9:00:37 AM EDT
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No, not all like that.
I was in Phoenix and Miami earlier this month for work. Both are great town for different reasons. San Diego has visible military / fitness culture, and fitness is a root form of accountability. Toronto has a lot of the benefits of NYC without the vibe like you might get stabbed walking down the street. Just four examples. Each has it's seedy parts, which one would do well to stay out of regardless of what party holds office for that city / state / province. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 9:08:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We’ve been in Wichita 25 years. Not only has it grown, it’s gotten better and there’s a civic pride that’s palpable. The city flag is everywhere, on people’s clothes, on their cars, on stores, etc… Civic art is a big thing here now, and the downtown/Riverwalk area is going through a renaissance. We have a gorgeous new arena, a Cabela’s (which used to be cool before BP…), Dave and Busters, Top Golf, all the stuff of a city much larger. Lots of money in Wichita. Hell, we even have a B-29… Honestly, we moved here from Orlando, and CA before that. We’re still here because it’s so damn easy to live here. Cost of living and real estate are sane. Job market is multi-faceted and good. And you can get anywhere from here.. we’re right in the middle. KS has the best gun and knife laws in the country (sorry AZ), and hunting is legit. Plus, I’m in town, but can be in the sticks in twenty minutes. And it gets cold enough to keep the bums limited. Our GM from FL recently visited and was blown away. People are nice here. It’s the Midwest. It’s awesome to hear there’s one city that doesn’t suck ass Watching downtown Phoenix turn into a junky run shithole has been sad. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 9:09:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think Dallas and Fort Worth are good examples to look at. Dallas being a liberal run shit hole and Fort Worth being relative conservative but slowly turning more purple than I would like to see. I used to live in downtown Dallas - I've seen homeless shitting in the streets, drugged out zombie looking fuckers, trash hoarders piling shit up at bus stops, 7/11 locations that look like a watering hole in Africa as far as danger is concerned, folks with schizophrenia walking around and talking or yelling to nothing, street racers closing off intersections and doing donuts while shooting off fireworks, homeless coming into a restaurant and demanding a bit of your food, a couple of shootings, race riots in 2020, more protests that I would have cared to listen to outside my window. I had enough, sold and went across town to a sleepy nice affluent suburb and its fucking awesome despite the across DFW drive to work. Downtown Fort Worth is starting to have more homeless, but they are mostly kept to a certain area. I think Fort Worth has better kept streets than Dallas, better staffing with PD and fire, better sanitation. I do think the Tax dollars in tarrant ciunty are better spent than Dallas. I will never live in Dallas County again. Dallas is a strange place. While they may have a dem mayor. Most of downtown is owned by just a couple families and they keep the dem mayor under control. Without them Dallas would be hell. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 9:10:23 AM EDT
[#29]
Tokyo and Zurich seem fine.
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Posted: 10/17/2022 9:11:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think the KS side of KC is pretty nice, and downtown KCMO seems decent from our last visit. Wichita is a small city and I don’t see those issues here either. Even Salina, when I was there a few months ago, surprised me at how much the downtown has developed and cleaned up. Topeka’s a shithole still IMO. The places I go in OKC and Dallas seem good, but Austin’s turned into a CA cesspool. Really surprised to hear Wichita is not that bad.. there was some really bad places along broadway and near WSU. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 9:16:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tokyo and Zurich seem fine. Zurich has some pretty aggressive drug addicts, but at least you can have guns there. As for the rest of the police state world cities people cite—nice to visit, but no thanks for living there. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 9:17:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fort worth isn't too bad Statistically it's pretty safe and clean (at least compared to Dallas) https://uphomes.com/blog/moving-to-fort-worth-tx/ ETA: beat like an old rug And even then, what neighborhood you live in matters. Highland Park is a lot of things, but it damn sure ain't a shithole. I'd live there in a heartbeat, if I could afford to. Okay, Highland Park isn't technically in the Dallas city limits. But still. 
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Posted: 10/17/2022 9:18:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All cities are disgusting and always have been. @whiskersthecat Based. Plato's Republic btfo |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 9:20:28 AM EDT
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Just put a fence aroud them, no one let out.
City prison 
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Posted: 10/17/2022 9:22:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, Singapore, where they throw you in jail for litter and just shoot you for drugs. You sound like a liberal that is soft on crime. What else can you do with mentally ill homeless that rape, murder , and rape. A stronger war on drugs? You mean like shooting druggies or putting them in "reeducation" camps aka detox? |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 9:24:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tokyo and Zurich seem fine. Both places with strong white culture and pride in that culture. The wrong side lost that war. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 9:33:07 AM EDT
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The biggest cities in Wyoming and South Dakota are still safe, somewhat conservative and fiscally doing OK.
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Posted: 10/17/2022 9:37:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The biggest cities in Wyoming and South Dakota are still safe, somewhat conservative and fiscally doing OK. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 9:40:06 AM EDT
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I had to dodge human shit on the sidewalks in downtown Orlando last weekend. The homeless are out of control and all the organizations "helping" them just encourage more to come here. We are even starting to see some spread to the burbs in noticeable numbers.
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Posted: 10/17/2022 9:42:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I had to dodge human shit on the sidewalks in downtown Orlando last weekend. The homeless are out of control and all the organizations "helping" them just encourage more to come here. We are even starting to see some spread to the burbs in noticeable numbers. If only there was a way to permanently stop the issue. Noooooooo, that's meannnnnnnnnnnn. -GD libruhls |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 9:47:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Let’s ask the question in another manner: Can anyone name a large city that isn’t like that? I can objectively say Detroit has been steadily getting better for at least a decade now. Still a dump by most measures but is slowly going the right direction. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 9:59:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I had to dodge human shit on the sidewalks in downtown Orlando last weekend. The homeless are out of control and all the organizations "helping" them just encourage more to come here. We are even starting to see some spread to the burbs in noticeable numbers. The overwhelming majority of the homeless are suffering from severe, untreated mental illness - often exacerbated by drug and alcohol addiction. I'm of the opinion that "helping" them without addressing this, is actually cruel. Like you said, it's just enabling them to continue their downward spiral. It's cruel. I suppose any given city can hypothetically just round them up and ship them somewhere else for violating a "no camping in city limits" ordinance, but you're just squeezing a balloon. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 10:04:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not sure if Boise counts as “big” but it seemed decent enough the couple times I was their. My parents live near Boise and I've been there a few times. I wouldn't call it a big city. It is pretty nice, as is most of the area. The lack of "diversity" is largely why it's the way it is there. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 10:23:52 AM EDT
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Pretty much. I have to go to a lot of cities for work.
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Posted: 10/17/2022 10:31:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: New Orleans actually smells a little better these days, but probably twice as liklely to get shot, raped, stabbed, murdered, car jacked or raped I added an extra "raped" for you because you forgot to say raped twice. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 10:46:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We're vacationing in Savanah right now, last time was 5 years ago. The other day we were down on River Street and the increase in homeless was astounding. We lasted about 5 minutes, got back on the waterfront ferry and went to Tybee |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 10:46:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I honestly have no idea how to fix it, without state-funded (and compulsory) mental health treatment. Which itself presents its own unintended consequences, admittedly. The overwhelming majority of the homeless are suffering from severe, untreated mental illness - often exacerbated by drug and alcohol addiction. I'm of the opinion that "helping" them without addressing this, is actually cruel. Like you said, it's just enabling them to continue their downward spiral. It's cruel. I suppose any given city can hypothetically just round them up and ship them somewhere else for violating a "no camping in city limits" ordinance, but you're just squeezing a balloon. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I had to dodge human shit on the sidewalks in downtown Orlando last weekend. The homeless are out of control and all the organizations "helping" them just encourage more to come here. We are even starting to see some spread to the burbs in noticeable numbers. The overwhelming majority of the homeless are suffering from severe, untreated mental illness - often exacerbated by drug and alcohol addiction. I'm of the opinion that "helping" them without addressing this, is actually cruel. Like you said, it's just enabling them to continue their downward spiral. It's cruel. I suppose any given city can hypothetically just round them up and ship them somewhere else for violating a "no camping in city limits" ordinance, but you're just squeezing a balloon. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 10:50:58 AM EDT
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Chicago Loop was a great place to work and party. Since Beetlejuice got elected the Loop is horrible. Feces and piss all over the sidewalks. Two years I'm out of here!
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Posted: 10/17/2022 10:51:47 AM EDT
[#49]
Yes
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Posted: 10/17/2022 10:56:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Let’s ask the question in another manner: Can anyone name a large city that isn’t like that? I get paid to visit them all, and no, I can’t think of a single one I would visit for fun. Interestingly Santiago Chile had a nice feel to it. In Dublin, there were lots of African street hustlers, but the only down and out beggars I saw, were young Irishmen. That was sad. |
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