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Posted: 8/1/2018 9:02:30 PM EDT
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When I was in my late teens, I really wanted an FZR-400, even though I was way too big for a bike that size. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 9:02:55 PM EDT
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Gsxr600 here. Plenty fast on the straightaways and light enough to corner very nicely.
More than enough to make me ded if I get too complacent |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 9:13:46 PM EDT
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This is about as much fun on the street as I can stand
 Attached File847 cc triple, 0 - 60 in 2.7 seconds (well, not with my fat ass on it, but you get the idea). 
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Posted: 8/1/2018 10:03:44 PM EDT
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A competent rider on a well set up 300,450 whatever will not hang with a rider of equal skill on a well sorted sport bike in the 600cc and up category. Twisties, straights, whereever. On the street? You're a fool to think a public road is anything resembling a race course. The question posed by the OP specifically deals with street use. I guess you could say that I'm adding the assumption that one is talking about sane, reasonable street use, but I'm pretty sure OP was thinking the same thing. Nobody can ride anywhere near the limits of even a 600 on an open public roadway in anything resembling a safe manner. (Not to mention most riders can't even make the most of a 600 on a track, but I digress.) There are far too many variables - road condition, unexpected debris, wildlife, other traffic (both same and opposing directions). Lots of opportunities for a really bad day. And dealing with all of those around blind, twisty corners, where the amount of time to react can already be small at a reasonable pace, let alone somebody thinking that the road is their personal racetrack. Great example of such a situation: On the Cherohala last September, we came around one bend to find a tree down across the road. Not just a branch. The whole damn thing. It covered the entire lane we were in - the only possible route was to go through what was open in the opposing lane. By the time this was visible, there wasn't much space left to react. At a spirited but still reasonable pace, we were able to navigate this obstacle without trouble. But some of those that passed us on the same route that day? Well, if they had happened upon the same spot at the same time as traffic in the opposing direction (leaving no possibility aside from braking, hard and fast), I highly doubt things would have ended well. And that's a pretty big gamble to be taking, IMO. ETA - IDGAF if you want to be an idiot and race around narrow-laned public roadways with blind curves at 100+. Same as if you don't want to ride with gear. But in either case, don't try to tell me that it is in any way safe, sane, or reasonable. (And I guess in before the anti-motorcycling "it's never reasonable or safe" comments...) |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 11:27:29 PM EDT
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On a track? Absolutely. On the street? You're a fool to think a public road is anything resembling a race course. The question posed by the OP specifically deals with street use. I guess you could say that I'm adding the assumption that one is talking about sane, reasonable street use, but I'm pretty sure OP was thinking the same thing. Nobody can ride anywhere near the limits of even a 600 on an open public roadway in anything resembling a safe manner. (Not to mention most riders can't even make the most of a 600 on a track, but I digress.) There are far too many variables - road condition, unexpected debris, wildlife, other traffic (both same and opposing directions). Lots of opportunities for a really bad day. And dealing with all of those around blind, twisty corners, where the amount of time to react can already be small at a reasonable pace, let alone somebody thinking that the road is their personal racetrack. Great example of such a situation: On the Cherohala last September, we came around one bend to find a tree down across the road. Not just a branch. The whole damn thing. It covered the entire lane we were in - the only possible route was to go through what was open in the opposing lane. By the time this was visible, there wasn't much space left to react. At a spirited but still reasonable pace, we were able to navigate this obstacle without trouble. But some of those that passed us on the same route that day? Well, if they had happened upon the same spot at the same time as traffic in the opposing direction (leaving no possibility aside from braking, hard and fast), I highly doubt things would have ended well. And that's a pretty big gamble to be taking, IMO. ETA - IDGAF if you want to be an idiot and race around narrow-laned public roadways with blind curves at 100+. Same as if you don't want to ride with gear. But in either case, don't try to tell me that it is in any way safe, sane, or reasonable. (And I guess in before the anti-motorcycling "it's never reasonable or safe" comments...) Yes, shit happens while riding, my opinion remains. (Safe sane and legal are overrated)  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 12:15:47 AM EDT
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Not seeing any tires on any of these posted bikes showing any signs of real use in the twisties... 
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Posted: 8/2/2018 12:24:07 AM EDT
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Not more fun.
If you have ridden a 600+ cc bike you will miss the throttle response and top end. Every ride will be a huge dissapointment. |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 12:48:52 AM EDT
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Sort of on topic what was the bike Maverick rode in top gun>?
I have a Harley and I am so ready to dump that and get a touring bike the BMW are sweet |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 1:28:23 AM EDT
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I agree with the anybody can go fast on a high output bike part, but in the second part of your post you’re comparing riders, not bikes. I love singles and small bores and agree that they can be a hoot to ride, but some folks seem to think they are “just as good as” bigger bikes in the same scenarios. A competent rider on a well set up 300,450 whatever will not hang with a rider of equal skill on a well sorted sport bike in the 600cc and up category. Twisties, straights, whereever. If you are hanging with a dude on a 1000cc sportbike, who knows how to ride, while you’re on your ninja 300 or 450 supermoto, it’s because he is letting you. But many will continue to indulge in the fantasy There was an interview with Mat Mladin back in the early-mid 2000s where he said this: "There is no doubt that getting through that turn on a Superbike is hard work and slower than a 600 (as are all turns where you have to use partial throttle throughout). How do I know? Because we test there and share the track with 600's throughout testing. When you follow one in there and get on its back wheel, it is impossible to hold it through and exiting the turn. It is actually hard work to get past a 600 up the straight before the next turn as he has gapped you enough and turned the throttle wide open and exited while the Superbike is still trying to get it past quarter throttle. If both bikes are being pushed to their limits, the 600 will go through the turn faster than the Superbike." Maybe early 2000s Mladin just wasn't competent enough? |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 2:35:33 AM EDT
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Like. I use to have a VF 500 Interceptor. It was dog slow compared to the 600s of the day. But then, that's probably why I'm still alive.  It may not have been "fast" but it was quick and it handled really well. As far as the 600's of the day, when it came out there were no 600's. The 500 came out in 1984. There were no 600 Hurricanes, 600 Ninjas, GSXR600's or FZ-600R's. Yamaha did have the FJ600, the VF500 was a better bike in my opinion. Kawasaki had the GpZ550. Susuki had the GS550. When the 600 Hurricane and the 600 Ninja came out the following year then it was lights out for the VF500. |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 2:43:02 AM EDT
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It had an aluminum frame and USD forks while every 600 still had a steel frame
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Posted: 8/2/2018 3:17:02 AM EDT
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This thread isn't helping me with the irrational idea of adding a RC390 or Ninja 400 to my garage when there is a perfectly good 500 sitting in there already...
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Posted: 8/2/2018 9:14:27 AM EDT
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I agree with the anybody can go fast on a high output bike part, but in the second part of your post you’re comparing riders, not bikes. I love singles and small bores and agree that they can be a hoot to ride, but some folks seem to think they are “just as good as” bigger bikes in the same scenarios. A competent rider on a well set up 300,450 whatever will not hang with a rider of equal skill on a well sorted sport bike in the 600cc and up category. Twisties, straights, whereever. If you are hanging with a dude on a 1000cc sportbike, who knows how to ride, while you’re on your ninja 300 or 450 supermoto, it’s because he is letting you. But many will continue to indulge in the fantasy |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 10:15:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol. There was an interview with Mat Mladin back in the early-mid 2000s where he said this: "There is no doubt that getting through that turn on a Superbike is hard work and slower than a 600 (as are all turns where you have to use partial throttle throughout). How do I know? Because we test there and share the track with 600's throughout testing. When you follow one in there and get on its back wheel, it is impossible to hold it through and exiting the turn. It is actually hard work to get past a 600 up the straight before the next turn as he has gapped you enough and turned the throttle wide open and exited while the Superbike is still trying to get it past quarter throttle. If both bikes are being pushed to their limits, the 600 will go through the turn faster than the Superbike." Maybe early 2000s Mladin just wasn't competent enough? There is a video of Josh Herrin on a standard bike on some twisties (Its 900). He recently put a video up on his Instagram that he bought the same bike but in 700 for street riding. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vImKRlkibvI |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 10:24:41 AM EDT
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CRF250L with all of about 24 horsepower. Brings a smile to my face every time I get a chance to ride it, but it will not run circles around anything motorized. I think of it as the suppressed .22 pistol everyone should have. Not a great choice for HD or CCW, but life is about balance.
 
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Posted: 8/2/2018 10:29:10 AM EDT
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So I used to do track days at VIR with my 08 YZF-R1 and my buddy would run his little 125 sometimes and he could throw that thing around like crazy in the turns. But he could never keep up with the liter bikes or the 600's with people that knew how to ride them properly.
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Posted: 8/2/2018 10:33:36 AM EDT
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Not more fun. If you have ridden a 600+ cc bike you will miss the throttle response and top end. Every ride will be a huge dissapointment. I still have just as much,if not more,fun keeping a 2T 250 on the boil and railing corners. I get off them with a huge smile,not a frown of disappointment but I have a fair clue how to ride. |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 10:38:23 AM EDT
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They always forget the 1987 Kawasaki aluminum framed 600 RX Ninja.
http://automotoclassicsale.com/sites/default/files/ebay_111604483067_3.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It had an aluminum frame and USD forks while every 600 still had a steel frame
http://automotoclassicsale.com/sites/default/files/ebay_111604483067_3.jpg Really though,they were making huge profit selling dumbed down 400s so what they were doing worked. |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 10:40:19 AM EDT
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This is about as much fun on the street as I can stand https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/119988/FZ-09-626626.JPG 847 cc triple, 0 - 60 in 2.7 seconds (well, not with my fat ass on it, but you get the idea). |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 10:56:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: True and I always thought it was dumb that nobody else made a sport production 600 using a 400 chassis. A CBR400RR with another 200 ccs would have been mega. Really though,they were making huge profit selling dumbed down 400s so what they were doing worked.
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Posted: 8/2/2018 11:14:21 AM EDT
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Yes, I just got the 2018 mt-09 version, great bike. |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 11:20:48 AM EDT
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Just get a CR500AF and motard it. ~230-240lbs, can be pushed north of 60hp and 50ft.lbs. That puts you about a 0.25hp/lb ratio. 
Same guy... 
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Posted: 8/2/2018 1:24:33 PM EDT
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If I got another bike it would be a new FZ-09 or FJ-09 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes, I just got the 2018 mt-09 version, great bike. |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 1:28:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes for the 18 model year, they replaced the FZ name with MT, I believe to align with the Euro naming of the same model. I was a bit confused when I first checked out the new models, I was looking for the FZ specifically, and only found 2017 models. My MSF instructor has a FZ-09, sweet bike. |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 1:32:50 PM EDT
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I think your correct. My MSF instructor has a FZ-09, sweet bike. |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 1:36:53 PM EDT
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Sort of on topic what was the bike Maverick rode in top gun>? I have a Harley and I am so ready to dump that and get a touring bike the BMW are sweet |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 1:52:45 PM EDT
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Not seeing any tires on any of these posted bikes showing any signs of real use in the twisties... 
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Posted: 8/2/2018 2:00:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ‘84-85 Kawasaki 900 Ninja. 
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Posted: 8/2/2018 2:00:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This as about as far as I am comfortable pushing the 996 on the street (note the darker "chicken strip" below my index finger). It's my first bike in nearly 20 years, and I've only ridden it a couple hundred miles. I have no desire to scorch around blind corners into unexpected objects, so most of my leaned-over fun is in lower speed corners. The tires still have mold spew because they are brand new. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/53615/IMG_0565_JPG-627220.jpg Once I bumped up to a 160, the tread is a lot steeper at the sidewall transition. Now it won't rub that edge without dragging hard (peg mount) parts, and that's at ~55+deg. My peg sliders tell the story, I make my own from black delrin, had to replace them a couple times. |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 2:06:31 PM EDT
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On my Husky, with a stock 150 rear, I was rolling the sidewall over on new tires. Once I bumped up to a 160, the tread is a lot steeper at the sidewall transition. Now it won't rub that edge without dragging hard (peg mount) parts, and that's at ~55+deg. My peg sliders tell the story, I make my own from black delrin, had to replace them a couple times. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: This as about as far as I am comfortable pushing the 996 on the street (note the darker "chicken strip" below my index finger). It's my first bike in nearly 20 years, and I've only ridden it a couple hundred miles. I have no desire to scorch around blind corners into unexpected objects, so most of my leaned-over fun is in lower speed corners. The tires still have mold spew because they are brand new. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/53615/IMG_0565_JPG-627220.jpg Once I bumped up to a 160, the tread is a lot steeper at the sidewall transition. Now it won't rub that edge without dragging hard (peg mount) parts, and that's at ~55+deg. My peg sliders tell the story, I make my own from black delrin, had to replace them a couple times.
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Posted: 8/2/2018 2:54:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This as about as far as I am comfortable pushing the 996 on the street (note the darker "chicken strip" below my index finger). It's my first bike in nearly 20 years, and I've only ridden it a couple hundred miles. I have no desire to scorch around blind corners into unexpected objects, so most of my leaned-over fun is in lower speed corners. The tires still have mold spew because they are brand new. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/53615/IMG_0565_JPG-627220.jpg |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 3:08:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This as about as far as I am comfortable pushing the 996 on the street (note the darker "chicken strip" below my index finger). It's my first bike in nearly 20 years, and I've only ridden it a couple hundred miles. I have no desire to scorch around blind corners into unexpected objects, so most of my leaned-over fun is in lower speed corners. The tires still have mold spew because they are brand new. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/53615/IMG_0565_JPG-627220.jpg Mine looked the same way until around 800 miles when I got back to it after a two and a half decade break I still Managed to wear it to the cords in 3400 miles even with MTC and ABS though 
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Posted: 8/2/2018 3:29:32 PM EDT
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This is the best my chicken strips get from 100% street riding. I actually found it was easier to burn them off all the way when I wasn’t turning correctly. Now that I lean my upper body into the turn, the bike doesn’t have to lean as much and I can go around the turns much faster. But the chicken strips stay wider.
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Posted: 8/2/2018 6:35:20 PM EDT
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This is the best my chicken strips get from 100% street riding. I actually found it was easier to burn them off all the way when I wasn’t turning correctly. Now that I lean my upper body into the turn, the bike doesn’t have to lean as much and I can go around the turns much faster. But the chicken strips stay wider. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/68579/C596F475-4387-49AA-8B47-B20DB3A5B228-627313.JPG
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Posted: 8/2/2018 6:46:33 PM EDT
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Personally I don't feel comfortable on anything other than a liter bike.
I like to be the fastest person on any particular piece of roadway. |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 6:53:12 PM EDT
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Personally I don't feel comfortable on anything other than a liter bike. I like to be the fastest person on any particular piece of roadway. |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 7:08:33 PM EDT
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True and I always thought it was dumb that nobody else made a sport production 600 using a 400 chassis. A CBR400RR with another 200 ccs would have been mega. Really though,they were making huge profit selling dumbed down 400s so what they were doing worked. That was a nice little ride. |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 7:34:37 PM EDT
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True and I always thought it was dumb that nobody else made a sport production 600 using a 400 chassis. (The SV650 started life as the SV400 in Japan...) |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 8:27:55 PM EDT
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All bike are fun to ride. Liter bikes are a special kind of fun.
Having 155 hp to the wheels...priceless. |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 10:35:49 PM EDT
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I know a guy... https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/215799_4607087850969_477729633_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=35c996c18d85406e95ecaaf8697c1493&oe=5C0CE36F Same guy... https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p235x350/20411_4580920716807_1234363590_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=0506282d823549e009219584d29070d9&oe=5C0DEC25 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just get a CR500AF and motard it. ~230-240lbs, can be pushed north of 60hp and 50ft.lbs. That puts you about a 0.25hp/lb ratio. https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/215799_4607087850969_477729633_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=35c996c18d85406e95ecaaf8697c1493&oe=5C0CE36F Same guy... https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p235x350/20411_4580920716807_1234363590_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=0506282d823549e009219584d29070d9&oe=5C0DEC25 |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 10:46:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The smaller cc bikes like the 150cc class are popular in Asia where their tracks tend to be tighter and shorter, it's a lot of fun to go watch those guys absolutely flog those small bikes. You can buy replica race bikes for under $3000 so they're pretty popular though not nearly so popular as the much more practical underbone bikes. HONDA CBR150R Repsol The guy in the yellow is rocking it old school. LOL  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDJZjdKai24 |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 10:48:45 PM EDT
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In my opinion 675 cc’s is the right amount!
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Posted: 8/2/2018 10:49:23 PM EDT
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You keep hearing people say they ride circles around the bigger bikes in the twisties. The Yamaha YZF-R3 looks like a fun bike. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/XBOpL5cuZqM/maxresdefault.jpg |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 10:55:12 PM EDT
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So like a SV, but in supersport form? (The SV650 started life as the SV400 in Japan...) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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True and I always thought it was dumb that nobody else made a sport production 600 using a 400 chassis. (The SV650 started life as the SV400 in Japan...) Example though: Honda had an aluminum framed 400 with gear driven cams in 1986. How long did it take to give their 600 Supersport an aluminum frame? This is what the Hurricane 600 was based on but they cut costs and went with chain driven cams...that invariable suffered CCT failure as a Honda trademark  They should have been making a 600 version of this instead of the F2  Or OH MY GOD YES  But on the real world,they would have been way too expensive |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 10:55:27 PM EDT
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My dad handed me the keys to his roadking when I got my endorsment and started talking buying a bike. It's big and heavy and louder than it is fast but it scratches the itch for now. I don't know what the engine size is but it's large. I much prefer trail riding my yz250 though and can see the attraction to a smaller lighter nimbler bike for city riding.
If I was going to pickup a new bike though id get a Ducati scrambler 1100 or that new Indian flat track whatever looks nice. |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 10:58:17 PM EDT
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You keep hearing people say they ride circles around the bigger bikes in the twisties. The Yamaha YZF-R3 looks like a fun bike. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/XBOpL5cuZqM/maxresdefault.jpg I also have a little 125cc Honda Grom, and I enjoy the bike a lot. It’s perfect around our little lake community, even with a passenger. I can get past the lack of power compared to a ‘real’ bike as it has plenty of poke to stay with traffic and feels sophisticated enough, but what I can’t do is snap my fingers and give it good suspension, brakes, and proper handling when I want to rail around a corner. And that’s the problem with bikes like the R3..... they are enough fun for a beginner, but someone who is used to higher spec bikes will not like the bike as well as the better equipped bikes he is used to. Bikes like the R3 have relatively crude suspension that is non adjustable, the brakes are unintimidating and soft, and the frames flex when you push them hard enough to make their less race oriented geometry feel out of place. Any day on a bike is a good time, it just depends on on what you want and what you like. Some people like warm milk before bed, some want a 5 hour energy.... |
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Posted: 8/2/2018 11:25:37 PM EDT
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I've spent a lot of time at the local driving range this year. While a small bike would be a lot of fun,a 600cc super sport from the last 15 years will destroy them on a tight track. Serious suspension and brake upgrades need to be made to the smaller bike to get them to turn. Dedicated track tires and tire warmers also. By the time you get to that point, it is cheaper to buy a nice used 600.
Any of the 600cc super sports are track ready. I run a stock 2005 cbr600rr with Dunlop q3+ tires. Once you get some of the advanced riding skills down, the only folks going faster are on race bikes and slicks. On a tight track, the newer liter bikes with electronic preventing high sides are hard to keep up with, and run away from you on larger tracks. Also, the smaller bikes are a safety hazard on faster tracks like bir. When 1000cc bike is going 180mph down the straight, the 600cc bikes are doing 150+. The 300cc class are maybe doing 100mph.... Those are some astronomical speed differentials. 
1,100 miles of the rear tire until the half way from the edge to center ran out of rubber and worn to the tire casing. 400 miles of street use, the rest was at a local driving range.  Some tire dingle berries 
Setting up to wear down the knee puck. 
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Posted: 8/2/2018 11:32:17 PM EDT
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I also have a little 125cc Honda Grom, and I enjoy the bike a lot. It’s perfect around our little lake community, even with a passenger. I can get past the lack of power compared to a ‘real’ bike as it has plenty of poke to stay with traffic and feels sophisticated enough, but what I can’t do is snap my fingers and give it good suspension, brakes, and proper handling when I want to rail around a corner. And that’s the problem with bikes like the R3..... they are enough fun for a beginner, but someone who is used to higher spec bikes will not like the bike as well as the better equipped bikes he is used to. Getting something like an R3 or rc390 or the like and then throwing the price difference into suspension, brakes, tires, and track days will serve most people much, much better than throwing the same amount of money into a stock supersport. True, you can't do anything about the frame, but by the time most people are going to notice a frame issue they'd be ready to step up to a nicer platform anyways. |
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Posted: 8/3/2018 12:18:57 AM EDT
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But on the real world,they would have been way too expensive They bought over the FZR400 and it was made in two flavors, a 49 state bike with no EXUP Valve and the California bike with an EXUP Valve. They cost almost as much as the FZR600. I remember when the 750's were the class kings, no one wanted a 600.
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Posted: 8/3/2018 12:35:01 AM EDT
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I've spent a lot of time at the local driving range this year. While a small bike would be a lot of fun,a 600cc super sport from the last 15 years will destroy them on a tight track. Serious suspension and brake upgrades need to be made to the smaller bike to get them to turn. Dedicated track tires and tire warmers also. By the time you get to that point, it is cheaper to buy a nice used 600. Any of the 600cc super sports are track ready. I run a stock 2005 cbr600rr with Dunlop q3+ tires. Once you get some of the advanced riding skills down, the only folks going faster are on race bikes and slicks. On a tight track, the newer liter bikes with electronic preventing high sides are hard to keep up with, and run away from you on larger tracks. Also, the smaller bikes are a safety hazard on faster tracks like bir. When 1000cc bike is going 180mph down the straight, the 600cc bikes are doing 150+. The 300cc class are maybe doing 100mph.... Those are some astronomical speed differentials. https://i.imgur.com/U1EZvhN.jpg 1,100 miles of the rear tire until the half way from the edge to center ran out of rubber and worn to the tire casing. 400 miles of street use, the rest was at a local driving range. https://i.imgur.com/r0eCsri.jpg Some tire dingle berries https://i.imgur.com/4n1TVqc.jpg Setting up to wear down the knee puck. https://i.imgur.com/AOFxBZc.jpg |
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