By that point, it will be time to do a General Sherman impersonation and just light the cities on fire; where the fuck are they going to go?

So, maybe a Fallujah. Surround and give sanctuary to our people.

Yup, tons of landed wealthy out there, who got rich peddling communism.

It's fairly easy to determine which areas are on your side.  Plenty state and county maps to download if you haven't already.

Model 101 . Living tissue over a metal endoskeleton.

… after we get the sunglasses distributed?

That's why I suggested cutting off the roads.  No food, no fuel.

Been reading Selco?

WRONG

That's how civil wars work... Ours was the exception but even then there are countless stories of father against son and the like...    

Not everyone from the South fought for the Confederacy and not everyone from the North fought for the Union.

However, in general terms it was North vs. South and in general terms a new civil war would be cities vs. rural.

It's not gonna be "flip a switch - instant Road Warrior". It will look just like today, but with deaths from political terrorism, bombs, and murders. You aren't gonna see militias duking it out on the interstate.

I was thinking more of a ThreeDog type program

I'm surrounded by ranches, not so much farms.   Each rancher who keeps stock is highly protective of it as they well should be considering the cost.

Firearms are a normal part of ranch life, coyotes or feral humans, it's not to much of a stretch to think they would be dealt with in the same manner.

Yeap, that’ll keep em fed.

Funny you mention this it's often joked about using WY militia to patrol the CO border should civil disorder occur.

Finally someone get it

When Not-even-a-tropical-storm-Sandie hit NYC, there were people dumpster diving and pleading for help after 48hrs without power.  If things did go hot, they would be eating each other in the cities in under a week.

They are communists so just leave them to their own devices in the cities and watch them kill themselves creating glorious socialist utopia.

The commies will come in the form of IRS agents, et al, and take us out one at a time.

If you send nothing but vegetable and basic food staples into the cities most will starve because they can't cook

That round sucks and you should be ashamed to use it. Like a snobbish designer coffee.

The power infrastructure in this country is vulnerable, as mentioned above, there are other factors too, like sensors not being secure, but that may have been addressed since last hearing about it. If the power went out, would you have sufficient equipment and know-how to cover for parts of your daily life that depend on electricity?

Live in a freezing climate, do you have a portable wood stove?

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That's from 70s, it would probably be worse in some ways because everything is computerized nowadays, although, portable computing technology is way better so in some aspects that could be beneficial for some systems.

And then the dwellers are on the move.

Might go something like this.  Any interruptions of agricultural production get called a national emergency / threat to national security.  Non compliant farms get nationalized and given to loyal mega corps to run.  If necessary, conscripts are raised from cities who hate middle America and are willing to fight for food.  Its all Ukraine from there.

This is my thinking.  That's why living in a community which is heavily conservative is a distinct advantage.

Edit:  Although, I pray that none of this ever happens.

A few days without food and they'll kill each other in sufficient numbers so as to decrease their advantage significantly.

We don't need cities. They need us. Fuck em. I hope they enjoy starving.

We heat with wood, get water from the earth, crops, hay and animals are raised from our land. All cities do is create garbage and spread disease like rats.

G Gordon Liddy used to make that very clear.  Although he was warning about terrorism against the US, not counterrevolutionary ground action. It still applies.

And if shit kicks off around Inauguration Day, winter's cold is going to be the Grim Reaper's handmaid in the cities.

PS:  Aim towards the bottom so more oil will run out quicker and the fireworks will start sooner.

I like my odds on home turf with no rules.  There are lots of natural choke points.   I hope they like long walks.

The civil war 2 would not kick off in such a geographically separated manner. Yes when you look at the sticks it is generally large swaths of red but almost no people. Then you have the cities that are MAJORITY left wing, but there are still more right wingers in the cities and suburbs by far compared to the remote parts of the country.

If for some reason it did kick off in a rural vs city manner the right wing parts of the cities would be united with the other city dwellers. You starve people and suddenly they don't give a shit about your politics they want your food and want you dead. So all this cut off the cities stuff is total bullshit. Unfortunately we would need the cities, at least some of them. It is possible there might be a run to different geographical areas similar to the first Israeli / Arab wars but right now the 2 sides are totally mixed.

It just is not going to be the nice clean lines that anyone thinks there might be. It would be an absolute fucking mess. Sectarian style terrorism on both sides.

Main fiber trunks are mad easy to take down.  Drop average commie off the internets and they will be unable to function.

Major cities are very logistics dependent.  Even where I'm at in the burbs most people don't have enough food to go a week without going to the store or out to eat.  Drinking water hell I bet most have more TP than water in their house.  I've seen the stores wiped out in 24 hours because of an ice storm.  

Shut down power and water, things would get ugly in a week without the federal government stepping in.

this feels like the most likely.  you'll get overwhelmed by groups and swarms.  Keeping vehicle traffic away from you and large fields of fire so you can keep them from rushing you feel like your best bet,  but I'm not sure.


You are definitely in trouble if they can drive vehicles up to your house.


my only experience with this (and I live in a suburb with houses all around me),  was a protracted doorbell ditching campaign launched by several large groups of teenagers several years ago.  

coming out of my house did nothing. They kept doing it until I actually got outside the house and attacked them from behind (airsoft, nightvision and a blanket)

once they started taking airsoft from behind them and they couldn't figure out where, they scattered, 2 or 3 of those and I literally haven't been doorbell ditched  since.

if my house gets attacked,  my plan is to get out away from it and fire on the main force from behind,  and try to draw or scare them away with confusion. I have a rifle that's good out to 400 yards with supressed subsonic rounds, I can probably get a dozen of them before they realize they're even being hit, or from where.

How many trucks getting a round through the windshield (non-fatally) would it take to shut down a stretch of Interstate?


I was driving from El Paso to LA last year, and I-10 has a shit-ton of isolated spots that could be turned into choke points by one dude with a rifle squeezing off 2-3 shots and then bailing.  


Ditto with the northern end of the Cali-WA coastal areas.  Lots of trees, lots of bends in the road, not that many people.

How much manpower would it take to cut vehicular access (regular cars and trucks, not overlander/offroad vehicles) to most rural areas and small towns?


How much effort would it take to scare the truckers (or just give them an excuse) from moving loads into a major city?  Portland, for instance, looks particularly vulnerable to that.


How much of LA and Portland's electrical power comes via lines that traverse some very isolated (and unguarded) country?  LA's water is electrically pumped.

Rural conservatives should show how charitable they are and send a few truckloads of bbq sauce as aid.

Its an interesting theoretical discussion.

One side is spread out has access to resources to sustain itself, but might have protection issues rallying enough fighters to a point of conflict to hold off a large raid.

The other side has very few resources to sustain themselves, but is a more consolidated force.

I see a few things playing out.

The pregame I see is roving right and left wing kill squads taking out targets that have IDed themselves to the enemy by flags, signs, colors, etc.  The first few people bumped off for their bumper stickers while driving to work, or houses raided for signs is going to open a lot of eyes to a new reality.

If rural blocked the flow of supplies, water, and electricity into the cities the entire city is going to be consolidated into the urban fighting force in some manner.  What will start as unorganized raids for family survival will turn into something more akin to a military operation in size and scope.  The urban combatants wouldnt be happy just taking the supplies, they will need to come back for more.  They will likely try to hold the ground and if they are very smart capturing the workers to make the products they need.  A farm without a farmer is not going to be useful in fairly short order.  These raids could ramp up to in the hundreds or thousands depending on how desperate the urbanites view their situation and their ability to muster troops and vehicles for an invasion.  

Their ability to field vehicles is key to pulling this off IMO.  If their vehicle access is denied either due to lack of fuel or choke points being destroyed or blocked by a defending force they will struggle to field enough fighters in condition for combat.

A side issue is wild fire.  As noted on the West Coast this summer arson has the potential to disrupt and destroy the rural defenders operations and stores.  This is a season issue for most areas, and wont be viable in certain times of the year.

The rural is going to be pretty defensive.  The city has very little they need beyond maybe medication.  Medicine is going to be a huge issue though, and I suspect some significant trading would be done over it.  Early on they will be individuals that disrupt critical infrastructure to the city in an unorganized manner.  This will ramp up in scope and organization as the threat of city removing their rights, way of life, etc.  Once the first few houses on the edges of suburbia are looted the stories from the neighbors that find the remains will spread like wildfire and groups will be put together to defend access points to the community.  If these forces can hold back a major assault will depend on how they have prepared their defense and their numbers.  

I dont think its going to be nearly as cut and dry as people say here.  A few thousand armed dudes, likely lead by guys with gang violence experience is going to be a significant force for most communities to repel.  I dont believe the rural areas can starve out the city fast enough to stop these invasions, but these invasions are going to depend on being able to do a call out to muster the force in a reasonable time frame.

I don't know, apparently the majority of rural dwellers are a mix of hard core mountain men who live off the land mixed with navy seal.  Cold as ice too willing to kill random people they see coming down the highway.  Which is kind of strange since all the rural dwellers I knew were not farmers capable of living off the land and would be pretty fucked in the event of power loss and the grocery store shutting down.  No doubt many would be better off than those living off the government in the ghetto though.

Why allow trucks to haul dead to pauper fields?

You bring up a good point about med's these days most people are lucky to get a 90 day supply more likely a 30 day supply because of insurance.   Just an example is with all the Type 1 diabetics, IIRC insulin has to be kept in cold storage.  Something like 10% have diabetes 1/3 are prediabetic with associated med needs.  

Rural/county hospitals, clinics, and veterinarian offices would be pretty important points to secure...

I don't think you guys need to worry. Nobody is going to come to WY for food and shelter. It's a fucking waste land. Kansas and Nebraska though...

So organized and concentrated vs disorganized and spread out?

Easy win for the cities

You guys need to read some history jesus christ

the lack of insulin would be brutal.  Forsythe covered that in his One Second After novel which did not paint a pretty picture for those with the beetus.

It's not going to come down to rural vs urban anyway. CW2 will be fought in the cities and suburbs between neighbors. There will be no battle lines.

Pro tip, voter registrations are public record. If you want to know which of your neighbors are coming for you you just need to do a little research.

The commies have no idea what to do with farms, they think food comes from factories.