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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:21:49 PM EDT
[#1]
That's awful to watch. Were there any passengers in the B-17? They usually sell tickets for spectators to ride.
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:21:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Happens too frequently. I chatted with the pilot/owner of the P-51 “Donna-Mite” at Oshkosh in 2005 about 30 minutes before he stalled it during a demonstration and crashed. He graciously let me snap a picture of him with the plane. I felt awful after he never returned. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Didn’t another old war bird go down a year or two ago? Happens too frequently. I chatted with the pilot/owner of the P-51 “Donna-Mite” at Oshkosh in 2005 about 30 minutes before he stalled it during a demonstration and crashed. He graciously let me snap a picture of him with the plane. I felt awful after he never returned. 
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:22:15 PM EDT
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That's horrible. I've seen it many times over the years.
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:22:17 PM EDT
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If the P-51 was too hot for a join, why not roll into the vertical to lose airspeed or circle around. It ain't like there is an entire large combat formation to join with. Sad...
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:23:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Another view of the collusion
Looks like the P-51 dove down into the B-17 while in a left turn. |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:23:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What?  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That was intentional. Mark my words. P51 chased the B17 and rammed him. What? 
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:23:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:23:55 PM EDT
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P51 pilot never saw the B17, he was tracking the fighters in front of him.
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:23:59 PM EDT
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Wasn't a P-51
P-63 Kingcobra, ultra rare bird
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:24:05 PM EDT
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I saw a post from another group it was the CAF's P-63 and not a Mustang. It looks like he misjudged the closing rate and was supposed to go over the B-17 and didn't, or couldn't, pull up in time. Hate to see that. I have fond memories of Texas Raiders.
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:24:21 PM EDT
[#11]
Damn
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:25:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wasn't a P-51 P-63 Kingcobra, ultra rare bird 
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:26:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nine 0 Nine Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Didn’t another old war bird go down a year or two ago? Nine 0 Nine That one was also sad on so many levels - it flew over my house one week before the crash - I had snapped a video on my phone as it went past, as the sight and sounds of a vintage warbird like that were clearly different from the usual air traffic that I see. |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:27:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryHOW? Damn. |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:27:17 PM EDT
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So sad. P-51 probably never saw the b17. Rest In Peace to everyone who lost their lives.
ETA: some guy in the twitter replies keeps insisting everyone survived.
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:27:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Log out and don’t log back in These incidents with warbirds that are either not maintained correctly or piloted into the ground are far too common to ignore the trend. |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:27:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: P51 pilot never saw the B17, he was tracking the fighters in front of him. In the video in post #24 you see a plane to the right just before the B-17 fell apart. I never saw the plane that hit it in that video but need to look at it again since I know how the collision occurred. I just looked again and either the fighter plane is hidden from view or the collision already occurred. Without doing a frame by frame examination, it looks like we see the B-17 just after the collision. |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:27:47 PM EDT
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Looks like the P-51 didn’t see the B-17 at all.
Think the B-17 saw the P-51 closing in? |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:28:01 PM EDT
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Quote Historyrecently redone in original test markings
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:28:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:28:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is that possible? It seems a B17 would be visible that close from a bubble canopy cockpit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: banked enough to the point where he couldn't see the B-17 It seems a B17 would be visible that close from a bubble canopy cockpit. |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:28:20 PM EDT
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I hope it wasn't giving rides.
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:28:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:28:47 PM EDT
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Man such a loss on multiple levels
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:28:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wasn't a P-51 P-63 Kingcobra, ultra rare bird Looking at the better vid.. I think you are correct. It sure looks like it might have been.
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:29:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryCAF P-63 Aircobra not a P-51 |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:29:11 PM EDT
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Very unfortunate occurance
RIP to all involved. |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:29:17 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: video
Oh my God! The tail separated behind the wings and broke apart.
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:29:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:29:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryFuck |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:30:29 PM EDT
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Pilot may be Buddy Cooks, mentioned here it was his last flight
 Torah Tora Tora with B-17 flying Fortress...Wings Over Dallas Airshow 2022 |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:30:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:31:30 PM EDT
[#33]
wow, that's nuts.
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:32:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So sad. P-51 probably never saw the b17. Rest In Peace to everyone who lost their lives. ETA: some guy in the twitter replies keeps insisting everyone survived. |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:32:52 PM EDT
[#35]
Another angle.
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:33:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hope it wasn't giving rides. They usually give rides before or after the show. There could have been someone in there on a VIP-type deal but I doubt it. |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:33:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How does that even happen? This. Poor ROE’s for the air show environment. Fucking dipshit. TC |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:34:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: recently redone in original test markings Quote HistoryQuoted: recently redone in original test markings You are correct. I took these a few years ago.   |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:35:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: These incidents with warbirds that are either not maintained correctly or piloted into the ground are far too common to ignore the trend. Your comment was like a teacher in the summer. No class. |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:35:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: banked enough to the point where he couldn't see the B-17 Quote HistoryQuoted: banked enough to the point where he couldn't see the B-17 Bingo.
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:36:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: An Airshow is not that different, except you have a clear frequency and and an air boss running everything that is acting like ATC for the entire airport. |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:36:19 PM EDT
[#42]
I hope the B-17 wasn't full of folks taking a ride.
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:36:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your comment was like a teacher in the summer. No class. I'm sure the NTSB is going to put it in nice flowery words. |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:37:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: banked enough to the point where he couldn't see the B-17 Quote HistoryQuoted: banked enough to the point where he couldn't see the B-17 Wow... holy shit. That's about the only thing that makes sense.
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:38:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hope the B-17 wasn't full of folks taking a ride. 5 souls aboard |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:39:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: These incidents with warbirds that are either not maintained correctly or piloted into the ground are far too common to ignore the trend. Warbirds are inherently dangerous. They were dangerous when they were in active service, many were lost to accidents during training and combat sorties. Just because they crash occasionally doesn’t mean that they need to shut down the entire warbird flying community. This was a terrible accident and will be investigated with lessons learned afterward. |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:39:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hope the B-17 wasn't full of folks taking a ride. If they were performing in the air show they weren't giving rides. |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:41:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 5 souls aboard Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I hope the B-17 wasn't full of folks taking a ride. 5 souls aboard That's what I am hearing. |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:41:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Warbirds are inherently dangerous. They were dangerous when they were in active service, many were lost to accidents during training and combat sorties. Just because they crash occasionally doesn’t mean that they need to shut down the entire warbird flying community. This was a terrible accident and will be investigated with lessons learned afterward. I've never called for shutting down flying warbirds. I have stated that this particular segment of GA has had a high occurrence of avoidable fuckups that kill people in the last two decades. |
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Posted: 11/12/2022 4:41:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Poor ROE’s for the air show environment. Fucking dipshit. TC This. Unless they can prove mechanical/physiological failure, Fighter guy owns this outcome. Duke |
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