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Posted: 3/21/2022 9:01:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Based on trackradar, it went from 30,000 feet to the ground in a hurry. https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/mu5735#2b367bc1 It must be Covid related |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 9:02:49 AM EDT
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Looks like it came straight down from 30,000ft.
Damn. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 9:05:45 AM EDT
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Before the Covid the flight school by my house had so many Chinese students they bought a hotel to house them. They returned to China with 250 hours an instrument and multi rating and often the next step was putting them in a simulator and then into a big jet. Not the most experienced pilots.
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Posted: 3/21/2022 9:08:46 AM EDT
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I can help here. There are 133 casualties. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 9:08:57 AM EDT
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Would have been terrifying
 I’ll be very curious to hear what happened |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 9:09:08 AM EDT
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People actually fly on Chinese airplanes?
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Posted: 3/21/2022 9:10:47 AM EDT
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jeSUS lets just lock this thread down and try again....
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Posted: 3/21/2022 9:12:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In before pilot names jokes. Hey! Captain Som Ting Wong was an experienced pilot! Corny jokes aside.... prayers for the victims and their families... 
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Posted: 3/21/2022 9:12:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd rather the cops call my mom than some jerkoff on twitter telling my sister's boyfriend's fiance.  |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 9:14:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Before the Covid the flight school by my house had so many Chinese students they bought a hotel to house them. They returned to China with 250 hours an instrument and multi rating and often the next step was putting them in a simulator and then into a big jet. Not the most experienced pilots. I used to train those students at the school by you. The initial training for them was at the school here, but they had specialized training when they returned home that was aircraft specific. However, you are correct about them still being low time overall. The problem with the Chinese students wasn't the ability to fly the aircraft, but make decisions that were not in agreence with the captain. Their culture still believes that the captain is God and you do whatever he says. I have piloted enough airliners to know that is not the case. I always tried to help break the cycle with that mindset while they were here training with them, but I fear most fall I to the norms of their home country when they return. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 9:14:18 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/21/2022 9:16:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone can assume if it's union made it's shit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In the process of forming your expert opinion on how dangerous the max is, how many hours have you spent flying them? And your aeronautical engineering degree is from where? Anyone can assume if it's union made it's shit. When the max is flown by union pilots they don’t crash. Weird. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 9:17:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryWell, that's about the most terrifying way you could crash, and the most certain way of knowing you are absolutely positively going to die. Makes me wonde if the pilot went suicidal and lawn darted intentionally? Seems like it would take quite a mechanical failure for that to happen. Any word on if they radio'd out that they were havong problems before it went down? |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 9:18:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Video:
Looks purposeful |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 9:20:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I used to train those students at the school by you. The initial training for them was at the school here, but they had specialized training when they returned home that was aircraft specific. However, you are correct about them still being low time overall. The problem with the Chinese students wasn't the ability to fly the aircraft, but make decisions that were not in agreence with the captain. Their culture still believes that the captain is God and you do whatever he says. I have piloted enough airliners to know that is not the case. I always tried to help break the cycle with that mindset while they were here training with them, but I fear most fall I to the norms of their home country when they return. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Before the Covid the flight school by my house had so many Chinese students they bought a hotel to house them. They returned to China with 250 hours an instrument and multi rating and often the next step was putting them in a simulator and then into a big jet. Not the most experienced pilots. I used to train those students at the school by you. The initial training for them was at the school here, but they had specialized training when they returned home that was aircraft specific. However, you are correct about them still being low time overall. The problem with the Chinese students wasn't the ability to fly the aircraft, but make decisions that were not in agreence with the captain. Their culture still believes that the captain is God and you do whatever he says. I have piloted enough airliners to know that is not the case. I always tried to help break the cycle with that mindset while they were here training with them, but I fear most fall I to the norms of their home country when they return. Very reminiscent of the Aeroflot accident where the pilot allowed his son at the controls. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 9:20:52 AM EDT
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They aren't even going to find many big chunks. Hope the flight recorders survived and are found. Something important must have fallen off. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 9:22:02 AM EDT
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Almost seems like someone would have to try to make it stay in a hard dive, but I have no experience with big planes, only gliders. Pilot suicide? |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 9:23:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's a great documentary about the MAX and the flight control problems it has. The new 737s still use the old airframes. The whole upgrade process was hastily thrown together to compete with airbus. It is a dangerous plane and it always has been. I'll go out on a limb here, and say that all planes are dangerous. Put pieces of metal together, and fly 100+ people six miles up in a hollow tube -- what could possibly go wrong? Will the TSA allow me to carry-on a parachute? Just in case. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 9:27:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In the process of forming your expert opinion on how dangerous the max is, how many hours have you spent flying them? And your aeronautical engineering degree is from where? Probably from the back of a Fruit Loops box. Jimm77. I don’t doubt that the so called “documentary” you saw was well produced and convinced a lot of people that the 737 max is dangerous; but I am willing to bet it was a hit piece designed to garnish as many views as possible. My understanding was the pilots of the 737 max were flying it out of the design curve for the aircraft and the software changes were to prevent pilots form not being able do do so. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 9:37:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "No word on casualties"? It's a 737 crashing into a mountain. Nobody survives that shit. Sometimes weird shit happens - there was a crash in the mountains South America where one little girl survived. She was like 12 years old, all alone, and the authorities had no idea where the plane had gone down on its route. I think she ended up walking out of the rainforest herself; quite the story. ETA: From the video, no one is surviving that dive.
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Posted: 3/21/2022 9:38:44 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/21/2022 9:40:56 AM EDT
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 VIDEO: Boeing 737 passenger jet crashes in southern China mountains | Wake Up America Looks like they lost elevator control. Assuming nothing suicidal was going on. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 9:42:09 AM EDT
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It began to break up in flight.
I’m divided between catastrophic parts failure - like the tail came off. Or pilot suicide. Even at that, possibly terrorist related/bomb.  Edit: From the shitty videos of the plane going down, it looks like the tail is missing. Not even a pixel bump for it. Could be the angle of the video too. But, judging by the above… tail came apart, went into a nose dive. Pilot woke up, tried to save it, rest of the plane came apart. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 9:48:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There’s a great documentary about the MAX and the flight control problems it has. The new 737s still use the old airframes. The whole upgrade process was hastily thrown together to compete with airbus. It is a dangerous plane and it always has been. Join date checks out. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 9:51:13 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/21/2022 9:51:19 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like it came straight down from 30,000ft. Damn. That had to be one hell of a ride down. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 9:52:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sometimes weird shit happens - there was a crash in the mountains South America where one little girl survived. She was like 12 years old, all alone, and the authorities had no idea where the plane had gone down on its route. I think she ended up walking out of the rainforest herself; quite the story. ETA: From the video, no one is surviving that dive. I saw a documentary on that. Scary shit she went through. Came across a river and started following it downstream. Ran across a couple of guys fishing in the river way, way off the beaten path. She was covered in bot fly sores, IIRC. But they got her to a hospital, and she recovered. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 9:53:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That had to be one hell of a ride down. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Looks like it came straight down from 30,000ft. Damn. That had to be one hell of a ride down. Everyone on board was knocked out / dead from the initial drop from 30k. The fright probably only lasted a few seconds before they were sleeping. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 10:01:00 AM EDT
[#29]
The ADS-B data looks like that thing just dropped out of the sky. I'll be interested to hear the cause on this one.
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Posted: 3/21/2022 10:03:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Everyone on board was knocked out / dead from the initial drop from 30k. The fright probably only lasted a few seconds before they were sleeping. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 10:05:22 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Covid got 'em  Trump’s fault. Some days your the windshield......some days your the bug. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 10:09:16 AM EDT
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Pilot guys on here: Can something like a 737 do a vertical dive and pull out, are the structurally sound enough to? I know fighters are built differently.
That video is horrible, I feel for the people. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 10:10:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Everyone on board was knocked out / dead from the initial drop from 30k. The fright probably only lasted a few seconds before they were sleeping. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Looks like it came straight down from 30,000ft. Damn. That had to be one hell of a ride down. Everyone on board was knocked out / dead from the initial drop from 30k. The fright probably only lasted a few seconds before they were sleeping. Why? There would be no reason for people to be unconscious or dead prior to impact unless there was a depressurization. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 10:10:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If they were lucky. Would require a decompress. Hopefully when the tail (or whatever) departed the aircraft it took the pressure bulkhead with it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Everyone on board was knocked out / dead from the initial drop from 30k. The fright probably only lasted a few seconds before they were sleeping. It really looks like a massive tail failure from something. Whether it was a structural failure, or something like a bomb. No tail visible on the video / screen shot. And the way it dove… just makes sense. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 10:11:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why? There would be no reason for people to be unconscious or dead prior to impact unless there was a depressurization. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Looks like it came straight down from 30,000ft. Damn. That had to be one hell of a ride down. Everyone on board was knocked out / dead from the initial drop from 30k. The fright probably only lasted a few seconds before they were sleeping. Why? There would be no reason for people to be unconscious or dead prior to impact unless there was a depressurization. I’m guessing the cabin depressurized as the tail came apart. And then the plane started to break up from the over speed. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 10:14:25 AM EDT
[#36]
Airplanes don't go straight when the tail is missing...
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Posted: 3/21/2022 10:17:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't. I get your point. Still doesnt make me want to get on a Boeing plane  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Name the last USA major airliner crash. I can't. I get your point. Still doesnt make me want to get on a Boeing plane Other than the 737MAX, the rest of the Boeing fleet haven't shown any unusual behavior conditions. If you REALLY want to freak out, read the reports on the flight control systems on the Airbus accidents that have happened in the past 25 years. And their flight control design philosophy spans across their entire product spectrum, so they all share similar design constraints/weaknesses. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 10:18:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCplMzti1PMLooks like they lost elevator control. Assuming nothing suicidal was going on. Not a pilot, but read Ernest K. Gann's book Fate is the Hunter. Don't recall which plane it was but there was one during his time (propeller) where an IIRC outboard hinge bolt would work out. He had one almost come out, the investigation grounded all the planes and his admittedly amateur report helped solve the problem. Very interesting read. It would put the plane in a dive that he said no one was strong enough to pull the plane out of. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 10:21:09 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It really looks like a massive tail failure from something. Whether it was a structural failure, or something like a bomb. No tail visible on the video / screen shot. And the way it dove just makes sense. You have 6 miles of altitude for gravity and aerodynamics to reach an agreement. We are only seeing the last couple thousand feet. Suicide ( unlikely) bomb (unlikely) or some numb nut 3 weeks ago did or didn't do some maintenance procedure incorrectly, and 3 other unlikely things happened in the right order to cause something important to quit doing its job. The safety record of modern air travel is really impressive when you consider all the potential points of failure |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 10:23:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, that's about the most terrifying way you could crash, and the most certain way of knowing you are absolutely positively going to die. Makes me wonde if the pilot went suicidal and lawn darted intentionally? Seems like it would take quite a mechanical failure for that to happen. Any word on if they radio'd out that they were havong problems before it went down? Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, that's about the most terrifying way you could crash, and the most certain way of knowing you are absolutely positively going to die. Makes me wonde if the pilot went suicidal and lawn darted intentionally? Seems like it would take quite a mechanical failure for that to happen. Any word on if they radio'd out that they were havong problems before it went down? |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 10:24:54 AM EDT
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holy smokes, i'd like to know how TF that happens even with a Boeing.
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Posted: 3/21/2022 10:25:58 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCplMzti1PMLooks like they lost elevator control. Assuming nothing suicidal was going on. That news guy is an idiot. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 10:27:18 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pilot guys on here: Can something like a 737 do a vertical dive and pull out, are the structurally sound enough to? I know fighters are built differently. That video is horrible, I feel for the people. In a nutshell, the answer is no. Once the nose goes below 45 or 50° nose low, unless the aircraft is very slow, (unlikely) the aircraft does not have the structural capability to withstand the G’s that would be required for recovery. If the pilot pulled up very gently to avoid over G’ing the aircraft, the airspeed would climb. So it would be a trade-off of how hard you could pull relative to how fast the airplane was going. It is possible, depending on the circumstances, to recover, but you might incur structural damage. The aircraft might possibly still be flyable with that damage. Certainly if you’re going 400 knots straight down there’s no way to recover. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 10:27:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I flew on it one time. 13 hour flight. I wasn't allowed to use any electronics the entire flight. Chinese nationals had no issues, though. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I have flown on that airline, I could tell you some stories! Well then tell us some fucking stories I flew on it one time. 13 hour flight. I wasn't allowed to use any electronics the entire flight. Chinese nationals had no issues, though. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 10:31:54 AM EDT
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The NGs have been out of production for 10+ years now. I suspect the NG generation of the 737 has a few million flight hours under its belt. I wonder what went wrong. And I am working on a 737 product specifically directed at this airline. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 10:32:53 AM EDT
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JFC, some of you guys...
The odds of being in a fatal crash on a 737 are approximately 1 in 10 million for any given flight (give or take, depends on the exact model). That's safer than stepping into your shower. Especially that dark old slippery tub in Mom's basement. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 10:34:23 AM EDT
[#47]
Damn
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Posted: 3/21/2022 10:39:02 AM EDT
[#48]
Sweet, another GD 737 thread.
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Posted: 3/21/2022 10:40:57 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: JFC, some of you guys... The odds of being in a fatal crash on a 737 are approximately 1 in 10 million for any given flight (give or take, depends on the exact model). That's safer than stepping into your shower. Especially that dark old slippery tub in Mom's basement. ETA: Except the middle seat. |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 10:41:00 AM EDT
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--let's not--
-bcauz3y |
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