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Posted: 7/24/2024 11:58:48 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Rep. Andy Biggs (R-AZ) questioned FBI Director Christopher Wray  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cFA88oO1usRep. Dan Bishop, R-N.C https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFYrPNQDDS8There go collapsible stocks and optics. 
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Posted: 7/24/2024 11:59:28 AM EST
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Isn't it likely that a 13 year-old Ar15 would have a similarly aged optic? I'd be surprised if it was anything much newer or higher quality than a Sightmark.
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Posted: 7/24/2024 12:00:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WesJanson: Which is funny, since this is precisely the same analysis I had of the original live video all of 20 minutes after the event occurred. A shitload of people want this to be more complicated or conspiracy theoried out than the evidence indicates. Kid fired 8 rounds, got deaded by a USSS sniper shot, and then a second sniper round was fired to confirm the kill (or because the second team wasn't sure and wanted to be certain). There's no SR25. No second gunman on the grassy knoll. No random USSS CAT guys spray and praying the rooftop from down on stage. No patrol cops doing one-handed warning shots from below the factory building roof. Kid fired his first 3 shots in a burst at Trump. Paused to assess, realized Trump was down in the scrimmage pile, started mag dumping at the pile. The roof was low enough and the stands were high enough that his rounds impacted the crowd rather than the security pile on stage. Snipers were able to engage within 6 seconds and end it. Period, that's it. Questions of conspiracies must focus on outside assistance, inside security gap assistance, and contacts. The question we should be asking is what were the bombs he allegedly had, and what was the sophistication level of those explosives. No vaguely competent state actor would equip a 20 year old kid with a basic blaster AR and throw him up against a president. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WesJanson: Originally Posted By RSG:
...In testimony on Tuesday at a House Committee on Homeland Security hearing about the assassination attempt, Pennsylvania State Police Col. Christopher L. Paris told lawmakers that eight casings were recovered from the gunman's location. Video and audio analysis from the shooting indicates the gunman fired eight shots. Audio experts Rob Maher of Montana State University and Steven Beck of Beck Audio Forensics told CBS News they identified 10 gunshots from the recordings of the event. The first eight rounds had similar acoustic characteristics and originated from the same location. Beck said these eight discharges, fired in approximately 5.2 seconds, were consistent with the AR-15-style rifle the shooter used. The final two gunshots were likely from law enforcement and came from two different firearms in two different locations, the audio analysis indicates. The first of these two gunshots was fired approximately 5.5 seconds after the gunman opened fire, Beck said. The gunman stopped firing immediately, indicating this bullet hit him. A final shot was fired 10 seconds later. Which is funny, since this is precisely the same analysis I had of the original live video all of 20 minutes after the event occurred. A shitload of people want this to be more complicated or conspiracy theoried out than the evidence indicates. Kid fired 8 rounds, got deaded by a USSS sniper shot, and then a second sniper round was fired to confirm the kill (or because the second team wasn't sure and wanted to be certain). There's no SR25. No second gunman on the grassy knoll. No random USSS CAT guys spray and praying the rooftop from down on stage. No patrol cops doing one-handed warning shots from below the factory building roof. Kid fired his first 3 shots in a burst at Trump. Paused to assess, realized Trump was down in the scrimmage pile, started mag dumping at the pile. The roof was low enough and the stands were high enough that his rounds impacted the crowd rather than the security pile on stage. Snipers were able to engage within 6 seconds and end it. Period, that's it. Questions of conspiracies must focus on outside assistance, inside security gap assistance, and contacts. The question we should be asking is what were the bombs he allegedly had, and what was the sophistication level of those explosives. No vaguely competent state actor would equip a 20 year old kid with a basic blaster AR and throw him up against a president. But that's not what happened... USSS fired the final round that ended it. The kid (probably) fired 8 rounds at Trump and the fans, and was killed ~26 seconds later. Local police have reported that two local LE also fired at the kid. As confirmed by video, one round hit 2 people. Two more people were hit. Where did the other 5 rounds hit? |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 12:03:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FALFOX: I keep seeing this argument being made. It's dumb. For one, that kid almost succeeded. For another, using young isolated loner nutjobs gives a great amount of plausible "lone gunman" deniability, especially if you make sure they are dead after they are used. ETA: for a third point... THEY AREN'T COMPETENT. Thankfully. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FALFOX: Originally Posted By WesJanson: No vaguely competent state actor would equip a 20 year old kid with a basic blaster AR and throw him up against a president. ETA: for a third point... THEY AREN'T COMPETENT. Thankfully. I agree it is an absurd argument, of course they use patsy's, not just in the US but to accomplish goals all over the world without blame. The 9/11 plane hijackers were not the masterminds, neither was bin Laden, they were a group of patsy's and a scapegoat. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 12:05:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinSpinner: A friend went to a rally here in GA a few months ago and kept sending me video clips while he was there. It makes sense to jam signals from a security standpoint but it must not be consistent. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinSpinner: Originally Posted By brownbomber: Originally Posted By Flak-Magnet: Everyone talks about how the USSS could have "let" him fly the drone in proximity to Trump. To prevent him flying over, they would either have to be actively jamming at high power the 2.4ghz and 5.8ghz bands which would disrupt every wifi router and some cell bands in the area. To prevent someone from flying with an fpv drone, they would need to be jamming 915mhz (US unlicensed frequencies) and probably the 800mhz band which is used by European drone equipment but in the US used for Public Safety/LE radios. The 433mhz band would need to be jammed as well. Jamming GPS would also be a good plan. The capability required to do this is essentially a military EW platform and would disrupt a large area and possibly the rally itself from operating. And this only prevents commercially available drones and commercially available drone hardware from operating. If you are illegally using a different frequency with custom hardware, none of this would matter. The alternative to wide spread jamming, would be detection and then targeting with a "Anti-drone" gun which does the jamming, but only on demand and only with highly directional antennas. Detection is required for this. There are radar installations that can do this, but they only have a range of a couple of miles. There of course would be nothing to stop him from overflying the area before such an installation was put in place or even if it was in place weeks before it would require an anti-drone team to be on sight. The government response to this stuff is to try to register and surveil every drone by having them report their position. But most of that is just the commercial units self-reporting and requires the bad actors to cooperate - which of course they will not. ETA: Just saw the post about the TFR was there. So all the good actors knew not to fly. I attended a Trump rally in 2020, and they were apparently jamming cell phones. A friend went to a rally here in GA a few months ago and kept sending me video clips while he was there. It makes sense to jam signals from a security standpoint but it must not be consistent. Large events can overwhelm mobile networks as well. For years the cell service was almost unuseable at the Ft. Lauderdale and Miami boat shows. Too many users hitting the same tower. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 12:06:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DarkStar:
Audio of the shooting suggests the 8 rounds ended abruptly because someone shot back at Crooks. We know from the video on the ground, next to the shooter, that Crooks started moving after the 8 shots are fired. It's presumed that USSS's view of Crooks was blocked by a tree, and when Crooks changed locations, USSS was able to hit him. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 12:07:54 PM EST
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Posted: 7/24/2024 12:08:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By C2Installs: Isn't it likely that a 13 year-old Ar15 would have a similarly aged optic? I'd be surprised if it was anything much newer or higher quality than a Sightmark. Was aimpoint somehow not around 13 years ago? My eotechs from that era still work fine but not a red dot. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 12:22:56 PM EST
[Last Edit: Socio]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Audio of the shooting suggests the 8 rounds ended abruptly because someone shot back at Crooks. We know from the video on the ground, next to the shooter, that Crooks started moving after the 8 shots are fired. It's presumed that USSS's view of Crooks was blocked by a tree, and when Crooks changed locations, USSS was able to hit him. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By DarkStar:
Audio of the shooting suggests the 8 rounds ended abruptly because someone shot back at Crooks. We know from the video on the ground, next to the shooter, that Crooks started moving after the 8 shots are fired. It's presumed that USSS's view of Crooks was blocked by a tree, and when Crooks changed locations, USSS was able to hit him. Sound analysis and trajectory analysis using the videos were done by some private experts that indicated a total of 8 rounds were fired, the last one being the return fire from the SS agent, and only three of which were believed to be from the known shooter. They only announced 8 rounds after this analysis had been released, so it could be they did not completely comprehend the analysis and took it has 8 shots were fire and then magically recovered 8 spent cartridges near the deceased shooter. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 12:26:55 PM EST
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Has anyone asked about the explosives and vehicles found?
All these inquiries, and no one thought to ask the FBI about the most telling physical evidence that might lead to co conspirators?  Wray keeps saying there's no evidence of any other actors... So how the fuck did a 20 year old get the supplies and know how to build explosives? We have 20 pages and 10 million questions on the fucking ladder. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 12:27:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Deerhurst: Was aimpoint somehow not around 13 years ago? My eotechs from that era still work fine but not a red dot. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Deerhurst: Originally Posted By C2Installs: Isn't it likely that a 13 year-old Ar15 would have a similarly aged optic? I'd be surprised if it was anything much newer or higher quality than a Sightmark. Was aimpoint somehow not around 13 years ago? My eotechs from that era still work fine but not a red dot. My aim point is about 13 years old. Aimpoint has been around for a lot longer than that. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 12:31:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinSpinner: A friend went to a rally here in GA a few months ago and kept sending me video clips while he was there. It makes sense to jam signals from a security standpoint but it must not be consistent. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinSpinner: Originally Posted By brownbomber: Originally Posted By Flak-Magnet: Everyone talks about how the USSS could have "let" him fly the drone in proximity to Trump. To prevent him flying over, they would either have to be actively jamming at high power the 2.4ghz and 5.8ghz bands which would disrupt every wifi router and some cell bands in the area. To prevent someone from flying with an fpv drone, they would need to be jamming 915mhz (US unlicensed frequencies) and probably the 800mhz band which is used by European drone equipment but in the US used for Public Safety/LE radios. The 433mhz band would need to be jammed as well. Jamming GPS would also be a good plan. The capability required to do this is essentially a military EW platform and would disrupt a large area and possibly the rally itself from operating. And this only prevents commercially available drones and commercially available drone hardware from operating. If you are illegally using a different frequency with custom hardware, none of this would matter. The alternative to wide spread jamming, would be detection and then targeting with a "Anti-drone" gun which does the jamming, but only on demand and only with highly directional antennas. Detection is required for this. There are radar installations that can do this, but they only have a range of a couple of miles. There of course would be nothing to stop him from overflying the area before such an installation was put in place or even if it was in place weeks before it would require an anti-drone team to be on sight. The government response to this stuff is to try to register and surveil every drone by having them report their position. But most of that is just the commercial units self-reporting and requires the bad actors to cooperate - which of course they will not. ETA: Just saw the post about the TFR was there. So all the good actors knew not to fly. I attended a Trump rally in 2020, and they were apparently jamming cell phones. A friend went to a rally here in GA a few months ago and kept sending me video clips while he was there. It makes sense to jam signals from a security standpoint but it must not be consistent. That'd weird. In 2020 it was obvious to me why the most powerful country on earth would wish the scramble the comms of potential bad actors. Given the prolific use of kamikaze drones in Ukraine, it is even MORE obvious now. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 12:31:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Socio: Sound analysis and trajectory analysis using the videos were done by some private experts that indicated a total of 8 rounds were fired, the last one being the return fire from the SS agent, and only three of which were believed to be from the known shooter. They only announced 8 rounds after this analysis had been released, so it could be they did not completely comprehend the analysis and took it has 8 shots were fire and then magically recovered 8 spent cartridges near the deceased shooter. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Socio: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By DarkStar:
Audio of the shooting suggests the 8 rounds ended abruptly because someone shot back at Crooks. We know from the video on the ground, next to the shooter, that Crooks started moving after the 8 shots are fired. It's presumed that USSS's view of Crooks was blocked by a tree, and when Crooks changed locations, USSS was able to hit him. Sound analysis and trajectory analysis using the videos were done by some private experts that indicated a total of 8 rounds were fired, the last one being the return fire from the SS agent, and only three of which were believed to be from the known shooter. They only announced 8 rounds after this analysis had been released, so it could be they did not completely comprehend the analysis and took it has 8 shots were fire and then magically recovered 8 spent cartridges near the deceased shooter. I bet 8 rounds is pretty accurate. Even the consensus here on GD was that there were 3 initial shots, then ~5 faster shots from a similar location and direction. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 12:34:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: Has anyone asked about the explosives and vehicles found? All these inquiries, and no one thought to ask the FBI about the most telling physical evidence that might lead to co conspirators? Wray keeps saying there's no evidence of any other actors... So how the fuck did a 20 year old get the supplies and know how to build explosives? We have 20 pages and 10 million questions on the fucking ladder. I have! And no one can answer it. You're worried about how he got supplies and built them. I'm worried about how the FBI was so confident the bombs weren't dangerous. Is it possible they already knew someone sold him a funny detinator that wouldn't go 'boom?' Why is there no video anywhere of any bomb squad securing a vehicle or his house? Crooks was confident enough in the bombs to bring the detonator (among the few things he brought.) |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 12:39:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: I bet 8 rounds is pretty accurate. Even the consensus here on GD was that there were 3 initial shots, then ~5 faster shots from a similar location and direction. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By Socio: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By DarkStar:
Audio of the shooting suggests the 8 rounds ended abruptly because someone shot back at Crooks. We know from the video on the ground, next to the shooter, that Crooks started moving after the 8 shots are fired. It's presumed that USSS's view of Crooks was blocked by a tree, and when Crooks changed locations, USSS was able to hit him. Sound analysis and trajectory analysis using the videos were done by some private experts that indicated a total of 8 rounds were fired, the last one being the return fire from the SS agent, and only three of which were believed to be from the known shooter. They only announced 8 rounds after this analysis had been released, so it could be they did not completely comprehend the analysis and took it has 8 shots were fire and then magically recovered 8 spent cartridges near the deceased shooter. I bet 8 rounds is pretty accurate. Even the consensus here on GD was that there were 3 initial shots, then ~5 faster shots from a similar location and direction. Always very difficult to tell. Particularly difficult from videos, most of them low quality. If you go back to the first few dozen pages of this thread, those dumb enough to speculate tried to declare it a .22lr. LOL |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 12:42:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: Has anyone asked about the explosives and vehicles found? All these inquiries, and no one thought to ask the FBI about the most telling physical evidence that might lead to co conspirators? Wray keeps saying there's no evidence of any other actors... So how the fuck did a 20 year old get the supplies and know how to build explosives? We have 20 pages and 10 million questions on the fucking ladder. This is also something I've been wondering about. Seems odd that it's been radio silent on the explosives front. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 12:43:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: I bet 8 rounds is pretty accurate. Even the consensus here on GD was that there were 3 initial shots, then ~5 faster shots from a similar location and direction. Since Wrays says there were eight casings, I'm back to my initial theory that he fired three at Trump, saw effect on target, then attempted to take out/suppress one of the visible CSTs with the five rapid shots. Smaller, elevated targets away from the stage (the CSTs) would explain why all eight didn't hit someone in a crowded area. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 12:44:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Oakley: This is also something I've been wondering about. Seems odd that it's been radio silent on the explosives front. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Oakley: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: Has anyone asked about the explosives and vehicles found? All these inquiries, and no one thought to ask the FBI about the most telling physical evidence that might lead to co conspirators? Wray keeps saying there's no evidence of any other actors... So how the fuck did a 20 year old get the supplies and know how to build explosives? We have 20 pages and 10 million questions on the fucking ladder. This is also something I've been wondering about. Seems odd that it's been radio silent on the explosives front. Because it's probably the link between Crooks and the feds. Why did Crooks bring the detonator to a bomb that couldn't explode? |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 12:45:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Clockwork138: Since Wrays says there were eight casings, I'm back to my initial theory that he fired three at Trump, saw effect on target, then attempted to take out/suppress one of the visible CSTs with the five rapid shots. Smaller, elevated targets away from the stage (the CSTs) would explain why all eight didn't hit someone in a crowded area. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Clockwork138: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: I bet 8 rounds is pretty accurate. Even the consensus here on GD was that there were 3 initial shots, then ~5 faster shots from a similar location and direction. Since Wrays says there were eight casings, I'm back to my initial theory that he fired three at Trump, saw effect on target, then attempted to take out/suppress one of the visible CSTs with the five rapid shots. Smaller, elevated targets away from the stage (the CSTs) would explain why all eight didn't hit someone in a crowded area. The team closest to him seemed to react like they were getting shot at. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 12:45:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: Has anyone asked about the explosives and vehicles found? All these inquiries, and no one thought to ask the FBI about the most telling physical evidence that might lead to co conspirators? Wray keeps saying there's no evidence of any other actors... So how the fuck did a 20 year old get the supplies and know how to build explosives? We have 20 pages and 10 million questions on the fucking ladder. one thing I found interesting about the rooftop bodycam video. The suit guy said that someone reported seeing the shooter get off a bicycle with a bag |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 12:47:03 PM EST
[Last Edit: Socio]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: I bet 8 rounds is pretty accurate. Even the consensus here on GD was that there were 3 initial shots, then ~5 faster shots from a similar location and direction. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By Socio: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By DarkStar:
Audio of the shooting suggests the 8 rounds ended abruptly because someone shot back at Crooks. We know from the video on the ground, next to the shooter, that Crooks started moving after the 8 shots are fired. It's presumed that USSS's view of Crooks was blocked by a tree, and when Crooks changed locations, USSS was able to hit him. Sound analysis and trajectory analysis using the videos were done by some private experts that indicated a total of 8 rounds were fired, the last one being the return fire from the SS agent, and only three of which were believed to be from the known shooter. They only announced 8 rounds after this analysis had been released, so it could be they did not completely comprehend the analysis and took it has 8 shots were fire and then magically recovered 8 spent cartridges near the deceased shooter. I bet 8 rounds is pretty accurate. Even the consensus here on GD was that there were 3 initial shots, then ~5 faster shots from a similar location and direction. This analysis is pretty compelling, indicates that incoming shots came from multiple directions, quite possibly 3 different shooters.  "Where Is the Third Shooter?" with host, Jason Goodman |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 12:47:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Clockwork138: Since Wrays says there were eight casings, I'm back to my initial theory that he fired three at Trump, saw effect on target, then attempted to take out/suppress one of the visible CSTs with the five rapid shots. Smaller, elevated targets away from the stage (the CSTs) would explain why all eight didn't hit someone in a crowded area. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Clockwork138: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: I bet 8 rounds is pretty accurate. Even the consensus here on GD was that there were 3 initial shots, then ~5 faster shots from a similar location and direction. Since Wrays says there were eight casings, I'm back to my initial theory that he fired three at Trump, saw effect on target, then attempted to take out/suppress one of the visible CSTs with the five rapid shots. Smaller, elevated targets away from the stage (the CSTs) would explain why all eight didn't hit someone in a crowded area. That would explain the lack of casualties. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 12:49:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bama_Rebel: one thing I found interesting about the rooftop bodycam video. The suit guy said that someone reported seeing the shooter get off a bicycle with a bag Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bama_Rebel: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: Has anyone asked about the explosives and vehicles found? All these inquiries, and no one thought to ask the FBI about the most telling physical evidence that might lead to co conspirators? Wray keeps saying there's no evidence of any other actors... So how the fuck did a 20 year old get the supplies and know how to build explosives? We have 20 pages and 10 million questions on the fucking ladder. one thing I found interesting about the rooftop bodycam video. The suit guy said that someone reported seeing the shooter get off a bicycle with a bag According to VERY early reports, the local sniper reported him getting off the bike and having a bag (initial reports called it a rifle case.) It's believed that he's the one that took the photo of Crooks crawling on that retaining wall. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 12:50:52 PM EST
[Last Edit: Wineraner]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: Has anyone asked about the explosives and vehicles found? All these inquiries, and no one thought to ask the FBI about the most telling physical evidence that might lead to co conspirators? Wray keeps saying there's no evidence of any other actors... So how the fuck did a 20 year old get the supplies and know how to build explosives? We have 20 pages and 10 million questions on the fucking ladder. Also, as was stated at the time, how in hell did LE declare the explosives safe enough to be moved/dealt with so quickly? Versus every other time the bomb squad shows up, and hours of deploying the robot, etc...ensue? Depends on just what "the explosives" were, of course. Edit, as Nasty pointed out. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 1:00:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Socio: This analysis is pretty compelling, indicates that incoming shots came from multiple directions, quite possibly 3 different shooters. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suojiPg3W7gQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By Socio: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By Socio: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By DarkStar:
Audio of the shooting suggests the 8 rounds ended abruptly because someone shot back at Crooks. We know from the video on the ground, next to the shooter, that Crooks started moving after the 8 shots are fired. It's presumed that USSS's view of Crooks was blocked by a tree, and when Crooks changed locations, USSS was able to hit him. Sound analysis and trajectory analysis using the videos were done by some private experts that indicated a total of 8 rounds were fired, the last one being the return fire from the SS agent, and only three of which were believed to be from the known shooter. They only announced 8 rounds after this analysis had been released, so it could be they did not completely comprehend the analysis and took it has 8 shots were fire and then magically recovered 8 spent cartridges near the deceased shooter. I bet 8 rounds is pretty accurate. Even the consensus here on GD was that there were 3 initial shots, then ~5 faster shots from a similar location and direction. This analysis is pretty compelling, indicates that incoming shots came from multiple directions, quite possibly 3 different shooters. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suojiPg3W7gI believe the official story is three shooters: Crooks, a local sniper team who missed, and a SS counter sniper who ended it. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 1:01:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wineraner: Also, as was stated at the time, how in hell did LE declare the explosives safe enough to be moved/dealt with so quickly? Versus every other time the bomb squad shows up, and hours of deploying the robot, etc...ensue? Depends on just what "the explosives" were, of course. Edit, as Nasty pointed out. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wineraner: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: Has anyone asked about the explosives and vehicles found? All these inquiries, and no one thought to ask the FBI about the most telling physical evidence that might lead to co conspirators? Wray keeps saying there's no evidence of any other actors... So how the fuck did a 20 year old get the supplies and know how to build explosives? We have 20 pages and 10 million questions on the fucking ladder. Also, as was stated at the time, how in hell did LE declare the explosives safe enough to be moved/dealt with so quickly? Versus every other time the bomb squad shows up, and hours of deploying the robot, etc...ensue? Depends on just what "the explosives" were, of course. Edit, as Nasty pointed out. I can think of plenty of ways that could be explained. But why isn't it being explained or even asked about? |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 1:06:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: Has anyone asked about the explosives and vehicles found? All these inquiries, and no one thought to ask the FBI about the most telling physical evidence that might lead to co conspirators? Wray keeps saying there's no evidence of any other actors... So how the fuck did a 20 year old get the supplies and know how to build explosives? We have 20 pages and 10 million questions on the fucking ladder. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 1:06:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: The team closest to him seemed to react like they were getting shot at. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: Originally Posted By Clockwork138: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: I bet 8 rounds is pretty accurate. Even the consensus here on GD was that there were 3 initial shots, then ~5 faster shots from a similar location and direction. Since Wrays says there were eight casings, I'm back to my initial theory that he fired three at Trump, saw effect on target, then attempted to take out/suppress one of the visible CSTs with the five rapid shots. Smaller, elevated targets away from the stage (the CSTs) would explain why all eight didn't hit someone in a crowded area. The team closest to him seemed to react like they were getting shot at. If the closest CS team couldn't see the shooter through the trees I doubt the shooter could see them. I think they flinched when the team behind them shot since they looked in that direction then got back on the scope to see if they could locate the target. Just a WAG though, I still want to know where the other 3rd CS team was and if in fact they got the kill shot like Bongino and others have said. As many cameras as were there it seems like someone would have a video or still with them in it. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 1:09:19 PM EST
[Last Edit: brass]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WesJanson: Which is funny, since this is precisely the same analysis I had of the original live video all of 20 minutes after the event occurred. A shitload of people want this to be more complicated or conspiracy theoried out than the evidence indicates. Kid fired 8 rounds, got deaded by a USSS sniper shot, and then a second sniper round was fired to confirm the kill (or because the second team wasn't sure and wanted to be certain). There's no SR25. No second gunman on the grassy knoll. No random USSS CAT guys spray and praying the rooftop from down on stage. No patrol cops doing one-handed warning shots from below the factory building roof. Kid fired his first 3 shots in a burst at Trump. Paused to assess, realized Trump was down in the scrimmage pile, started mag dumping at the pile. The roof was low enough and the stands were high enough that his rounds impacted the crowd rather than the security pile on stage. Snipers were able to engage within 6 seconds and end it. Period, that's it. Questions of conspiracies must focus on outside assistance, inside security gap assistance, and contacts. The question we should be asking is what were the bombs he allegedly had, and what was the sophistication level of those explosives. No vaguely competent state actor would equip a 20 year old kid with a basic blaster AR and throw him up against a president. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WesJanson: Originally Posted By RSG:
...In testimony on Tuesday at a House Committee on Homeland Security hearing about the assassination attempt, Pennsylvania State Police Col. Christopher L. Paris told lawmakers that eight casings were recovered from the gunman's location. Video and audio analysis from the shooting indicates the gunman fired eight shots. Audio experts Rob Maher of Montana State University and Steven Beck of Beck Audio Forensics told CBS News they identified 10 gunshots from the recordings of the event. The first eight rounds had similar acoustic characteristics and originated from the same location. Beck said these eight discharges, fired in approximately 5.2 seconds, were consistent with the AR-15-style rifle the shooter used. The final two gunshots were likely from law enforcement and came from two different firearms in two different locations, the audio analysis indicates. The first of these two gunshots was fired approximately 5.5 seconds after the gunman opened fire, Beck said. The gunman stopped firing immediately, indicating this bullet hit him. A final shot was fired 10 seconds later. Which is funny, since this is precisely the same analysis I had of the original live video all of 20 minutes after the event occurred. A shitload of people want this to be more complicated or conspiracy theoried out than the evidence indicates. Kid fired 8 rounds, got deaded by a USSS sniper shot, and then a second sniper round was fired to confirm the kill (or because the second team wasn't sure and wanted to be certain). There's no SR25. No second gunman on the grassy knoll. No random USSS CAT guys spray and praying the rooftop from down on stage. No patrol cops doing one-handed warning shots from below the factory building roof. Kid fired his first 3 shots in a burst at Trump. Paused to assess, realized Trump was down in the scrimmage pile, started mag dumping at the pile. The roof was low enough and the stands were high enough that his rounds impacted the crowd rather than the security pile on stage. Snipers were able to engage within 6 seconds and end it. Period, that's it. Questions of conspiracies must focus on outside assistance, inside security gap assistance, and contacts. The question we should be asking is what were the bombs he allegedly had, and what was the sophistication level of those explosives. No vaguely competent state actor would equip a 20 year old kid with a basic blaster AR and throw him up against a president. Except we're missing anything getting hit. The first 3 shots killed a Fireman, wounded Trump and two others in crowd, hit a railing and blew a hyrdraulic hose. The next 5 shots didn't seem to hit anything. No reported further injuries, no reported damage to buildings or vehicles. The different sound to them could have just been the cell phone moving and mic gain control or a hard surface echo as he was walking, don't know. Only the stage microphones stayed still and pointed the same direction with fixed gain the entire time should be used as a reference, IMHO. The other two recordings were moving microphones with automatic gain so relative volume isn't guaranteed. The big question is where did the middle 5 rounds impact (or where were they intended to impact), prior to the 2 shots from counter sniper teams? If he was firing into the dog pile on Trump, there would have been a huge issue and several ambulances, not all of them walking away with no reports of injuries. The area Trump was in was dense with humans, so even near misses would hit somebody. So those 5 rounds must have went in a different direction. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 1:11:26 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By D_Man: There's actually a lot of content on Youtube about synthesis of various explosive compounds, one channel I know is even run by a college age kid in Australia that does all his work in the family utility building using chemicals he get's from farm supply and pool cleaning supply sources. A lot of that info is out there, it might not make the most efficient or effective product, but it will still go boom to some degree. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By D_Man: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: Has anyone asked about the explosives and vehicles found? All these inquiries, and no one thought to ask the FBI about the most telling physical evidence that might lead to co conspirators? Wray keeps saying there's no evidence of any other actors... So how the fuck did a 20 year old get the supplies and know how to build explosives? We have 20 pages and 10 million questions on the fucking ladder. If he learned how to do it on youtube, then why is the FBI declaring his online presence insignificant? |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 1:14:14 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Socio: Sound analysis and trajectory analysis using the videos were done by some private experts that indicated a total of 8 rounds were fired, the last one being the return fire from the SS agent, and only three of which were believed to be from the known shooter. They only announced 8 rounds after this analysis had been released, so it could be they did not completely comprehend the analysis and took it has 8 shots were fire and then magically recovered 8 spent cartridges near the deceased shooter. 
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Posted: 7/24/2024 1:14:17 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By D_Man: There's actually a lot of content on Youtube about synthesis of various explosive compounds, one channel I know is even run by a college age kid in Australia that does all his work in the family utility building using chemicals he get's from farm supply and pool cleaning supply sources. A lot of that info is out there, it might not make the most efficient or effective product, but it will still go boom to some degree. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By D_Man: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: Has anyone asked about the explosives and vehicles found? All these inquiries, and no one thought to ask the FBI about the most telling physical evidence that might lead to co conspirators? Wray keeps saying there's no evidence of any other actors... So how the fuck did a 20 year old get the supplies and know how to build explosives? We have 20 pages and 10 million questions on the fucking ladder. Lol. I know exactly who you are talking about. Great channels. Yellow chemistry. 
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Posted: 7/24/2024 1:19:31 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass: Except we're missing anything getting hit. The first 3 shots killed a Fireman, wounded Trump and two others in crowd, hit a railing and blew a hyrdraulic hose. The next 5 shots didn't seem to hit anything. No reported further injuries, no reported damage to buildings or vehicles. The different sound to them could have just been the cell phone moving and mic gain control or a hard surface echo as he was walking, don't know. Only the stage microphones stayed still and pointed the same direction with fixed gain the entire time should be used as a reference, IMHO. The other two recordings were moving microphones with automatic gain so relative volume isn't guaranteed. The big question is where did the middle 5 rounds impact (or where were they intended to impact), prior to the 2 shots from counter sniper teams? If he was firing into the dog pile on Trump, there would have been a huge issue and several ambulances, not all of them walking away with no reports of injuries. The area Trump was in was dense with humans, so even near misses would hit somebody. So those 5 rounds must have went in a different direction. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass: Originally Posted By WesJanson: Originally Posted By RSG:
...In testimony on Tuesday at a House Committee on Homeland Security hearing about the assassination attempt, Pennsylvania State Police Col. Christopher L. Paris told lawmakers that eight casings were recovered from the gunman's location. Video and audio analysis from the shooting indicates the gunman fired eight shots. Audio experts Rob Maher of Montana State University and Steven Beck of Beck Audio Forensics told CBS News they identified 10 gunshots from the recordings of the event. The first eight rounds had similar acoustic characteristics and originated from the same location. Beck said these eight discharges, fired in approximately 5.2 seconds, were consistent with the AR-15-style rifle the shooter used. The final two gunshots were likely from law enforcement and came from two different firearms in two different locations, the audio analysis indicates. The first of these two gunshots was fired approximately 5.5 seconds after the gunman opened fire, Beck said. The gunman stopped firing immediately, indicating this bullet hit him. A final shot was fired 10 seconds later. Which is funny, since this is precisely the same analysis I had of the original live video all of 20 minutes after the event occurred. A shitload of people want this to be more complicated or conspiracy theoried out than the evidence indicates. Kid fired 8 rounds, got deaded by a USSS sniper shot, and then a second sniper round was fired to confirm the kill (or because the second team wasn't sure and wanted to be certain). There's no SR25. No second gunman on the grassy knoll. No random USSS CAT guys spray and praying the rooftop from down on stage. No patrol cops doing one-handed warning shots from below the factory building roof. Kid fired his first 3 shots in a burst at Trump. Paused to assess, realized Trump was down in the scrimmage pile, started mag dumping at the pile. The roof was low enough and the stands were high enough that his rounds impacted the crowd rather than the security pile on stage. Snipers were able to engage within 6 seconds and end it. Period, that's it. Questions of conspiracies must focus on outside assistance, inside security gap assistance, and contacts. The question we should be asking is what were the bombs he allegedly had, and what was the sophistication level of those explosives. No vaguely competent state actor would equip a 20 year old kid with a basic blaster AR and throw him up against a president. Except we're missing anything getting hit. The first 3 shots killed a Fireman, wounded Trump and two others in crowd, hit a railing and blew a hyrdraulic hose. The next 5 shots didn't seem to hit anything. No reported further injuries, no reported damage to buildings or vehicles. The different sound to them could have just been the cell phone moving and mic gain control or a hard surface echo as he was walking, don't know. Only the stage microphones stayed still and pointed the same direction with fixed gain the entire time should be used as a reference, IMHO. The other two recordings were moving microphones with automatic gain so relative volume isn't guaranteed. The big question is where did the middle 5 rounds impact (or where were they intended to impact), prior to the 2 shots from counter sniper teams? If he was firing into the dog pile on Trump, there would have been a huge issue and several ambulances, not all of them walking away with no reports of injuries. The area Trump was in was dense with humans, so even near misses would hit somebody. So those 5 rounds must have went in a different direction. It's possible maybe he was shooting in the direction of where he might have believed counter-snipers were, or maybe was trying to put down "suppressive fire" towards the cops who were trying to climb onto the roof, etc. Heck, I think it's possible the FBI may not know themselves yet. We might never know, but hopefully at some point, and analysis might be released by the FBI. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 1:20:56 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: I can think of plenty of ways that could be explained. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: Originally Posted By Wineraner: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: Has anyone asked about the explosives and vehicles found? All these inquiries, and no one thought to ask the FBI about the most telling physical evidence that might lead to co conspirators? Wray keeps saying there's no evidence of any other actors... So how the fuck did a 20 year old get the supplies and know how to build explosives? We have 20 pages and 10 million questions on the fucking ladder. Also, as was stated at the time, how in hell did LE declare the explosives safe enough to be moved/dealt with so quickly? Versus every other time the bomb squad shows up, and hours of deploying the robot, etc...ensue? Depends on just what "the explosives" were, of course. Edit, as Nasty pointed out. I can think of plenty of ways that could be explained. How? |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 1:25:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DK-Prof: It's possible maybe he was shooting in the direction of where he might have believed counter-snipers were, or maybe was trying to put down "suppressive fire" towards the cops who were trying to climb onto the roof, etc. Heck, I think it's possible the FBI may not know themselves yet. We might never know, but hopefully at some point, and analysis might be released by the FBI. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DK-Prof: Originally Posted By brass: Originally Posted By WesJanson: Originally Posted By RSG:
...In testimony on Tuesday at a House Committee on Homeland Security hearing about the assassination attempt, Pennsylvania State Police Col. Christopher L. Paris told lawmakers that eight casings were recovered from the gunman's location. Video and audio analysis from the shooting indicates the gunman fired eight shots. Audio experts Rob Maher of Montana State University and Steven Beck of Beck Audio Forensics told CBS News they identified 10 gunshots from the recordings of the event. The first eight rounds had similar acoustic characteristics and originated from the same location. Beck said these eight discharges, fired in approximately 5.2 seconds, were consistent with the AR-15-style rifle the shooter used. The final two gunshots were likely from law enforcement and came from two different firearms in two different locations, the audio analysis indicates. The first of these two gunshots was fired approximately 5.5 seconds after the gunman opened fire, Beck said. The gunman stopped firing immediately, indicating this bullet hit him. A final shot was fired 10 seconds later. Which is funny, since this is precisely the same analysis I had of the original live video all of 20 minutes after the event occurred. A shitload of people want this to be more complicated or conspiracy theoried out than the evidence indicates. Kid fired 8 rounds, got deaded by a USSS sniper shot, and then a second sniper round was fired to confirm the kill (or because the second team wasn't sure and wanted to be certain). There's no SR25. No second gunman on the grassy knoll. No random USSS CAT guys spray and praying the rooftop from down on stage. No patrol cops doing one-handed warning shots from below the factory building roof. Kid fired his first 3 shots in a burst at Trump. Paused to assess, realized Trump was down in the scrimmage pile, started mag dumping at the pile. The roof was low enough and the stands were high enough that his rounds impacted the crowd rather than the security pile on stage. Snipers were able to engage within 6 seconds and end it. Period, that's it. Questions of conspiracies must focus on outside assistance, inside security gap assistance, and contacts. The question we should be asking is what were the bombs he allegedly had, and what was the sophistication level of those explosives. No vaguely competent state actor would equip a 20 year old kid with a basic blaster AR and throw him up against a president. Except we're missing anything getting hit. The first 3 shots killed a Fireman, wounded Trump and two others in crowd, hit a railing and blew a hyrdraulic hose. The next 5 shots didn't seem to hit anything. No reported further injuries, no reported damage to buildings or vehicles. The different sound to them could have just been the cell phone moving and mic gain control or a hard surface echo as he was walking, don't know. Only the stage microphones stayed still and pointed the same direction with fixed gain the entire time should be used as a reference, IMHO. The other two recordings were moving microphones with automatic gain so relative volume isn't guaranteed. The big question is where did the middle 5 rounds impact (or where were they intended to impact), prior to the 2 shots from counter sniper teams? If he was firing into the dog pile on Trump, there would have been a huge issue and several ambulances, not all of them walking away with no reports of injuries. The area Trump was in was dense with humans, so even near misses would hit somebody. So those 5 rounds must have went in a different direction. It's possible maybe he was shooting in the direction of where he might have believed counter-snipers were, or maybe was trying to put down "suppressive fire" towards the cops who were trying to climb onto the roof, etc. Heck, I think it's possible the FBI may not know themselves yet. We might never know, but hopefully at some point, and analysis might be released by the FBI. Considering the fact that he brought a remote detonator for the explosives he built, I think the "suppressive fire" theory could be accurate. He probably still wanted to make them go boom. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 1:27:12 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: If he learned how to do it on youtube, then why is the FBI declaring his online presence insignificant? You can search the web, browse Youtube without logging in, do all sorts of passive online activity like that, and not really post much or participate. Hell, if it weren't for Arfcom, I'd pretty much fit that description, I don't post or have accounts anywhere else. 
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Posted: 7/24/2024 1:28:14 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Clockwork138: Since Wrays says there were eight casings, I'm back to my initial theory that he fired three at Trump, saw effect on target, then attempted to take out/suppress one of the visible CSTs with the five rapid shots. Smaller, elevated targets away from the stage (the CSTs) would explain why all eight didn't hit someone in a crowded area. If there were actually 8 casings by the shooter. What if there were only 5 or some other number other than 8? I remember Cheatle during her testimony claimed to know the number of casings but refusing to reveal that number. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 1:28:31 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FALFOX: I keep seeing this argument being made. It's dumb. For one, that kid almost succeeded. For another, using young isolated loner nutjobs gives a great amount of plausible "lone gunman" deniability, especially if you make sure they are dead after they are used. ETA: for a third point... THEY AREN'T COMPETENT. Thankfully. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FALFOX: Originally Posted By WesJanson: No vaguely competent state actor would equip a 20 year old kid with a basic blaster AR and throw him up against a president. ETA: for a third point... THEY AREN'T COMPETENT. Thankfully. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 1:30:25 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wgjhsafT: People forget about how WWI started, or at least the catalyst assassination attempt and who actually was there and part of it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wgjhsafT: Originally Posted By FALFOX: Originally Posted By WesJanson: No vaguely competent state actor would equip a 20 year old kid with a basic blaster AR and throw him up against a president. ETA: for a third point... THEY AREN'T COMPETENT. Thankfully. However, the shooter of Archduke Ferdinand didn't have to penetrate what's supposed to be the best security in the world to reach him. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 1:35:11 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tomac: If there were actually 8 casings by the shooter. What if there were only 5 or some other number other than 8? I remember Cheatle during her testimony claimed to know the number of casings but refusing to reveal that number. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tomac: Originally Posted By Clockwork138: Since Wrays says there were eight casings, I'm back to my initial theory that he fired three at Trump, saw effect on target, then attempted to take out/suppress one of the visible CSTs with the five rapid shots. Smaller, elevated targets away from the stage (the CSTs) would explain why all eight didn't hit someone in a crowded area. If there were actually 8 casings by the shooter. What if there were only 5 or some other number other than 8? I remember Cheatle during her testimony claimed to know the number of casings but refusing to reveal that number. As long as there are at least 3, I don't think the exact number of casings is too significant. We don't know how many rounds local LE fired. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 1:48:20 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brownbomber: My aim point is about 13 years old. Aimpoint has been around for a lot longer than that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brownbomber: Originally Posted By Deerhurst: Originally Posted By C2Installs: Isn't it likely that a 13 year-old Ar15 would have a similarly aged optic? I'd be surprised if it was anything much newer or higher quality than a Sightmark. Was aimpoint somehow not around 13 years ago? My eotechs from that era still work fine but not a red dot. My aim point is about 13 years old. Aimpoint has been around for a lot longer than that. This. I had a Comp M3 back in 2008. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 2:22:42 PM EST
[#42]
Do we have any video that shows blood on Trumps hand immediately after he was shot and lifted his hand to his ear? Trying to win an argument with someone...
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Posted: 7/24/2024 2:25:44 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: How? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: Originally Posted By Wineraner: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: Has anyone asked about the explosives and vehicles found? All these inquiries, and no one thought to ask the FBI about the most telling physical evidence that might lead to co conspirators? Wray keeps saying there's no evidence of any other actors... So how the fuck did a 20 year old get the supplies and know how to build explosives? We have 20 pages and 10 million questions on the fucking ladder. Also, as was stated at the time, how in hell did LE declare the explosives safe enough to be moved/dealt with so quickly? Versus every other time the bomb squad shows up, and hours of deploying the robot, etc...ensue? Depends on just what "the explosives" were, of course. Edit, as Nasty pointed out. I can think of plenty of ways that could be explained. How? If it's visible through the window and obvious to the tech that it's not a threat. Also could have just been a few agents who did the Leroy Jenkins thing (either deliberately or accidentally) rather than wait. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 2:26:22 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: As long as there are at least 3, I don't think the exact number of casings is too significant. We don't know how many rounds local LE fired. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By Tomac: Originally Posted By Clockwork138: Since Wrays says there were eight casings, I'm back to my initial theory that he fired three at Trump, saw effect on target, then attempted to take out/suppress one of the visible CSTs with the five rapid shots. Smaller, elevated targets away from the stage (the CSTs) would explain why all eight didn't hit someone in a crowded area. If there were actually 8 casings by the shooter. What if there were only 5 or some other number other than 8? I remember Cheatle during her testimony claimed to know the number of casings but refusing to reveal that number. As long as there are at least 3, I don't think the exact number of casings is too significant. We don't know how many rounds local LE fired. I would think there would holes in the roof if they were firing from the windows above and behind crooks' position - even if they missed. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 2:26:57 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmaSource: Do we have any video that shows blood on Trumps hand immediately after he was shot and lifted his hand to his ear? Trying to win an argument with someone... Just about any image with his hand open. 
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Posted: 7/24/2024 2:27:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinSpinner: If the closest CS team couldn't see the shooter through the trees I doubt the shooter could see them. I think they flinched when the team behind them shot since they looked in that direction then got back on the scope to see if they could locate the target. Just a WAG though, I still want to know where the other 3rd CS team was and if in fact they got the kill shot like Bongino and others have said. As many cameras as were there it seems like someone would have a video or still with them in it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinSpinner: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: Originally Posted By Clockwork138: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: I bet 8 rounds is pretty accurate. Even the consensus here on GD was that there were 3 initial shots, then ~5 faster shots from a similar location and direction. Since Wrays says there were eight casings, I'm back to my initial theory that he fired three at Trump, saw effect on target, then attempted to take out/suppress one of the visible CSTs with the five rapid shots. Smaller, elevated targets away from the stage (the CSTs) would explain why all eight didn't hit someone in a crowded area. The team closest to him seemed to react like they were getting shot at. If the closest CS team couldn't see the shooter through the trees I doubt the shooter could see them. I think they flinched when the team behind them shot since they looked in that direction then got back on the scope to see if they could locate the target. Just a WAG though, I still want to know where the other 3rd CS team was and if in fact they got the kill shot like Bongino and others have said. As many cameras as were there it seems like someone would have a video or still with them in it. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 2:27:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cycolac: I would think there would holes in the roof if they were firing from the windows above and behind crooks' position - even if they missed. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cycolac: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By Tomac: Originally Posted By Clockwork138: Since Wrays says there were eight casings, I'm back to my initial theory that he fired three at Trump, saw effect on target, then attempted to take out/suppress one of the visible CSTs with the five rapid shots. Smaller, elevated targets away from the stage (the CSTs) would explain why all eight didn't hit someone in a crowded area. If there were actually 8 casings by the shooter. What if there were only 5 or some other number other than 8? I remember Cheatle during her testimony claimed to know the number of casings but refusing to reveal that number. As long as there are at least 3, I don't think the exact number of casings is too significant. We don't know how many rounds local LE fired. I would think there would holes in the roof if they were firing from the windows above and behind crooks' position - even if they missed. Or the officer that was following him up the roof. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 2:27:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By D_Man: What do they mean by online presence? Could be referring more to social media and posting on placed like Reddit, etc. You can search the web, browse Youtube without logging in, do all sorts of passive online activity like that, and not really post much or participate. Hell, if it weren't for Arfcom, I'd pretty much fit that description, I don't post or have accounts anywhere else. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By D_Man: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: If he learned how to do it on youtube, then why is the FBI declaring his online presence insignificant? You can search the web, browse Youtube without logging in, do all sorts of passive online activity like that, and not really post much or participate. Hell, if it weren't for Arfcom, I'd pretty much fit that description, I don't post or have accounts anywhere else. I'm pretty sure they got his internet history. Claiming his online presence is insignificant, while knowing he learned to build a bomb from youtube? If that got out, people would rightfully start demanding FBI directors head. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 2:27:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: As long as there are at least 3, I don't think the exact number of casings is too significant. We don't know how many rounds local LE fired. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By Tomac: Originally Posted By Clockwork138: Since Wrays says there were eight casings, I'm back to my initial theory that he fired three at Trump, saw effect on target, then attempted to take out/suppress one of the visible CSTs with the five rapid shots. Smaller, elevated targets away from the stage (the CSTs) would explain why all eight didn't hit someone in a crowded area. If there were actually 8 casings by the shooter. What if there were only 5 or some other number other than 8? I remember Cheatle during her testimony claimed to know the number of casings but refusing to reveal that number. As long as there are at least 3, I don't think the exact number of casings is too significant. We don't know how many rounds local LE fired. It helps quell the 2nd shooter theories. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 2:32:05 PM EST
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He leaked all the way down the dangerous slope of the roof:
https://www.reddit.com/r/GarandThumb/comments/1eb3cvy/id_on_this_helmet/ |
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