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Posted: 7/24/2024 8:48:18 PM EDT
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Can someone post a Spider-Man meme where they are all pointing at each other? FBI, IG, Independent Counsel, ATF, and USSS…there are more but we only have so many options.
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Posted: 7/24/2024 8:50:15 PM EDT
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anybody have the full res, uncut Grassely video?
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Posted: 7/24/2024 8:51:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gamma762: Kill Bongino, or kill whoever Bongino is talking about? (Or kill whoever Bongino is getting info from?) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gamma762: Originally Posted By AZNetEng: Originally Posted By Advance: Bongino is still pushing... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/309598/Screenshot_2024-07-24_181540_png-3275997.JPG
Kill Bongino, or kill whoever Bongino is talking about? (Or kill whoever Bongino is getting info from?) |
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USA
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Posted: 7/24/2024 8:53:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Panta_Rei: I heard on Tucker it went from suspect to.threat an hour prior. That 1.5 -3 minutes is immement threat with known location. How the hell is SS completely out of the loop? Not only were people yelling and running, but even folks in the stands were reacting prior to the shooting. Why Trump wasn't removed from podium or better yet delayed entry is unbelievable. Im guessing some malice with whoever was supposed to be handling comms and making decisions. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 8:55:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LittleBigHorn: Can someone post a Spider-Man meme where they are all pointing at each other? FBI, IG, Independent Counsel, ATF, and USSS…there are more but we only have so many options.  Attached File |
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USA
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Posted: 7/24/2024 8:56:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass: Except we're missing anything getting hit. The first 3 shots killed a Fireman, wounded Trump and two others in crowd, hit a railing and blew a hyrdraulic hose. The next 5 shots didn't seem to hit anything. No reported further injuries, no reported damage to buildings or vehicles. The different sound to them could have just been the cell phone moving and mic gain control or a hard surface echo as he was walking, don't know. Only the stage microphones stayed still and pointed the same direction with fixed gain the entire time should be used as a reference, IMHO. The other two recordings were moving microphones with automatic gain so relative volume isn't guaranteed. The big question is where did the middle 5 rounds impact (or where were they intended to impact), prior to the 2 shots from counter sniper teams? If he was firing into the dog pile on Trump, there would have been a huge issue and several ambulances, not all of them walking away with no reports of injuries. The area Trump was in was dense with humans, so even near misses would hit somebody. So those 5 rounds must have went in a different direction. There is yet another odd theory circulating, that there are witnesses placing someone on the water tower, at least one claiming the police killed him, and shortly after the assassination attempt at least one of the local officers was apparently put on suspension. 8 shots were fired, 1 was the SS return fire, 3 by the known shooter, the other 4 shots heard, that some analysis put at longer distances, was the tower shooter and return fire by the local swat killing him. That this was the real assassin, who either was from the government or had direct ties to a three letter agency, thus this was made to disappear quick and the local officers involved put on ice. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 9:03:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/24/2024 9:04:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/24/2024 9:04:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Clockwork138]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass: Except we're missing anything getting hit. The first 3 shots killed a Fireman, wounded Trump and two others in crowd, hit a railing and blew a hyrdraulic hose. The next 5 shots didn't seem to hit anything. No reported further injuries, no reported damage to buildings or vehicles. The different sound to them could have just been the cell phone moving and mic gain control or a hard surface echo as he was walking, don't know. Only the stage microphones stayed still and pointed the same direction with fixed gain the entire time should be used as a reference, IMHO. The other two recordings were moving microphones with automatic gain so relative volume isn't guaranteed. The big question is where did the middle 5 rounds impact (or where were they intended to impact), prior to the 2 shots from counter sniper teams? If he was firing into the dog pile on Trump, there would have been a huge issue and several ambulances, not all of them walking away with no reports of injuries. The area Trump was in was dense with humans, so even near misses would hit somebody. So those 5 rounds must have went in a different direction. That's why I believe he was firing at one of the rooftop CSTs. His shots went high, left, or right, missed the CST, missed the roof, and impacted far outside of the area. Even with a good idea of the trajectory, they'd be nearly impossible to locate unless they hit something noticeable(a window, a sheet metal or vinyl sided structure, a vehicle). |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 9:11:44 PM EDT
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Hawley Reacts To NEW Whistleblower Allegations: Secret Service Needs To Be Totally Overhauled
 Hawley Reacts To NEW Whistleblower Allegations: Secret Service Needs To Be Totally Overhauled |
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USA
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Posted: 7/24/2024 9:14:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunter-Killer: What. The. Fuck? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/258158/IMG_0079_jpeg-3276110.JPG And that was some kind of Italian dinner.....I can't imagine the security complexity compared. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 9:24:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Panta_Rei: And that was some kind of Italian dinner.....I can't imagine the security complexity compared. The mafia are italian so there's that. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 9:26:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Panta_Rei: And that was some kind of Italian dinner.....I can't imagine the security complexity compared. It was in ballroom at a Casino. Only 400 attendees compared to Trumps 20,000+ attendees in an outdoor setting. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 9:44:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: It was in ballroom at a Casino. Only 400 attendees compared to Trumps 20,000+ attendees in an outdoor setting. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Originally Posted By Panta_Rei: And that was some kind of Italian dinner.....I can't imagine the security complexity compared. It was in ballroom at a Casino. Only 400 attendees compared to Trumps 20,000+ attendees in an outdoor setting. Indoor secure setting, magnetometers already in place. Jill's the new Hillary .... dirty as fuck. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 9:50:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Gamma762]
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CEO of Gab posted that he strongly suspects that the shooter had a dormant account on Gab that hasn't been scrubbed.
https://gab.com/epicMicrowave/comments
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VA, USA
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Posted: 7/24/2024 9:56:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MiloBloom: Indoor secure setting, magnetometers already in place. Jill's the new Hillary .... dirty as fuck. Plus a limited verifiable list of invitees. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 10:35:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunter-Killer: What. The. Fuck? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/258158/IMG_0079_jpeg-3276110.JPG I watched this one live and knew it was bullshit. He kept asking about one specific office (Pittsburgh.) He kept asking why Jill got 12 from the one Pittsburgh office and Trump got 3 from that office. He never mentions if Trump already had 30 assigned from a different office, he just keeps asking about this one office. I think Director Cheeto is a real piece of shit. But this senator was just dumb and purposefully misleading. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 10:46:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MiloBloom: Indoor secure setting, magnetometers already in place. Jill's the new Hillary .... dirty as fuck.    
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Posted: 7/24/2024 10:51:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gamma762: CEO of Gab posted that he strongly suspects that the shooter had a dormant account on Gab that hasn't been scrubbed.
https://gab.com/epicMicrowave/comments
Combine that information with the fact that he shot Trump in the face, and it’s probably safe to say Crooks did not like Donald Trump. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 7/24/2024 11:25:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: glock27bill]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: I watched this one live and knew it was bullshit. He kept asking about one specific office (Pittsburgh.) He kept asking why Jill got 12 from the one Pittsburgh office and Trump got 3 from that office. He never mentions if Trump already had 30 assigned from a different office, he just keeps asking about this one office. I think Director Cheeto is a real piece of shit. But this senator was just dumb and purposefully misleading. Do we even know if there were agents from other offices? Did 100% of the agents have come from the Pittsburgh office? I just read the Gateway Pundit article and it's not real clear either way. link The Congress critter referred to allocation of "additional agents." No one spoke to total relative resources in specific numbers. Friggin' journalism is dead. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 11:58:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By exDefensorMilitas: Lol. I know exactly who you are talking about. Great channels. Yellow chemistry.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By exDefensorMilitas: Originally Posted By D_Man: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: Has anyone asked about the explosives and vehicles found? All these inquiries, and no one thought to ask the FBI about the most telling physical evidence that might lead to co conspirators?  Wray keeps saying there's no evidence of any other actors... So how the fuck did a 20 year old get the supplies and know how to build explosives? We have 20 pages and 10 million questions on the fucking ladder. Lol. I know exactly who you are talking about. Great channels. Yellow chemistry. Good chemists hold grudges! |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 11:59:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By D_Man: What do they mean by online presence? Could be referring more to social media and posting on placed like Reddit, etc. You can search the web, browse Youtube without logging in, do all sorts of passive online activity like that, and not really post much or participate. Hell, if it weren't for Arfcom, I'd pretty much fit that description, I don't post or have accounts anywhere else.  Petty easy to surf youtube on a public machine, neighbors wifi, cheap Walmart tablet at Starbucks, etc without any ties to yourself |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 7/25/2024 12:10:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gamma762: CEO of Gab posted that he strongly suspects that the shooter had a dormant account on Gab that hasn't been scrubbed.
https://gab.com/epicMicrowave/comments
Fucking left hemisphere genius. I'm kinda happy he's dead now . |
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Posted: 7/25/2024 12:21:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Scoobysmak]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinSpinner: A friend went to a rally here in GA a few months ago and kept sending me video clips while he was there. It makes sense to jam signals from a security standpoint but it must not be consistent. Probably beat but…. 2020 Trump was POTUS…2024… 
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Posted: 7/25/2024 1:02:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: JPN]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Something spotted flying over the rally before the shooting. Aliens for Trump?  https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/07/24/16/87715597-13664867-image-m-4_1721835057338.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/07/24/16/87715583-13664867-image-m-3_1721835048096.jpg Right after the shooting https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/07/24/18/87720785-13664867-image-m-3_1721842590452.jpg VIDEO If the video hasn't been tampered with, I'd say it was a drone. Not the type of drone that you control with a smartphone and get video of the ground, but a small, freestyle drone that uses the same sort of transmitter/controller as RC airplanes, and the user wears video goggles to get a pilot's perspective of the flight. With a skilled person, they are capable of some crazy aerobatics, and they are used in races through obstacle courses. It's as close as we can currently get (without using a VR simulation) to the Star Wars pod races. What a freestyle drone was doing flying over that chaos, is another question. ETA: Do a youtube search for videos on 'freestyle drone FPV' or 'freestyle drone racing', if my description isn't making sense. |
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Posted: 7/25/2024 1:02:49 AM EDT
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FL, USA
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Posted: 7/25/2024 1:07:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass: Except we're missing anything getting hit. The first 3 shots killed a Fireman, wounded Trump and two others in crowd, hit a railing and blew a hyrdraulic hose. The next 5 shots didn't seem to hit anything. No reported further injuries, no reported damage to buildings or vehicles. The different sound to them could have just been the cell phone moving and mic gain control or a hard surface echo as he was walking, don't know. Only the stage microphones stayed still and pointed the same direction with fixed gain the entire time should be used as a reference, IMHO. The other two recordings were moving microphones with automatic gain so relative volume isn't guaranteed. The big question is where did the middle 5 rounds impact (or where were they intended to impact), prior to the 2 shots from counter sniper teams? If he was firing into the dog pile on Trump, there would have been a huge issue and several ambulances, not all of them walking away with no reports of injuries. The area Trump was in was dense with humans, so even near misses would hit somebody. So those 5 rounds must have went in a different direction. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass: Originally Posted By WesJanson: Originally Posted By RSG:
...In testimony on Tuesday at a House Committee on Homeland Security hearing about the assassination attempt, Pennsylvania State Police Col. Christopher L. Paris told lawmakers that eight casings were recovered from the gunman's location. Video and audio analysis from the shooting indicates the gunman fired eight shots. Audio experts Rob Maher of Montana State University and Steven Beck of Beck Audio Forensics told CBS News they identified 10 gunshots from the recordings of the event. The first eight rounds had similar acoustic characteristics and originated from the same location. Beck said these eight discharges, fired in approximately 5.2 seconds, were consistent with the AR-15-style rifle the shooter used. The final two gunshots were likely from law enforcement and came from two different firearms in two different locations, the audio analysis indicates. The first of these two gunshots was fired approximately 5.5 seconds after the gunman opened fire, Beck said. The gunman stopped firing immediately, indicating this bullet hit him. A final shot was fired 10 seconds later. Which is funny, since this is precisely the same analysis I had of the original live video all of 20 minutes after the event occurred. A shitload of people want this to be more complicated or conspiracy theoried out than the evidence indicates. Kid fired 8 rounds, got deaded by a USSS sniper shot, and then a second sniper round was fired to confirm the kill (or because the second team wasn't sure and wanted to be certain). There's no SR25. No second gunman on the grassy knoll. No random USSS CAT guys spray and praying the rooftop from down on stage. No patrol cops doing one-handed warning shots from below the factory building roof. Kid fired his first 3 shots in a burst at Trump. Paused to assess, realized Trump was down in the scrimmage pile, started mag dumping at the pile. The roof was low enough and the stands were high enough that his rounds impacted the crowd rather than the security pile on stage. Snipers were able to engage within 6 seconds and end it. Period, that's it. Questions of conspiracies must focus on outside assistance, inside security gap assistance, and contacts. The question we should be asking is what were the bombs he allegedly had, and what was the sophistication level of those explosives. No vaguely competent state actor would equip a 20 year old kid with a basic blaster AR and throw him up against a president. Except we're missing anything getting hit. The first 3 shots killed a Fireman, wounded Trump and two others in crowd, hit a railing and blew a hyrdraulic hose. The next 5 shots didn't seem to hit anything. No reported further injuries, no reported damage to buildings or vehicles. The different sound to them could have just been the cell phone moving and mic gain control or a hard surface echo as he was walking, don't know. Only the stage microphones stayed still and pointed the same direction with fixed gain the entire time should be used as a reference, IMHO. The other two recordings were moving microphones with automatic gain so relative volume isn't guaranteed. The big question is where did the middle 5 rounds impact (or where were they intended to impact), prior to the 2 shots from counter sniper teams? If he was firing into the dog pile on Trump, there would have been a huge issue and several ambulances, not all of them walking away with no reports of injuries. The area Trump was in was dense with humans, so even near misses would hit somebody. So those 5 rounds must have went in a different direction. Provide proof that every bit of downrange damage was caused exclusively by the first 3 rounds. I've not seen any video evidence showing it. Hypothetically a single magic penetrator round could have somehow done all of the damage simultaneously, but that's stupid. Assuming that 3 rounds managed to hit Trump, kill one audience member, critically injure two more, and hit a crane is stupid. The likely answer is that he fired 8 rounds at the crowd and Trump, and connected on human targets with 4 of the 8. A 5th hit the hydraulics, and the remaining 3 missed into inanimate objects that don't leave giant obvious visible reactions from a hundred feet away on TV...like basically any other surface present. Dirt, wood, steel, whatever. |
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Posted: 7/25/2024 1:13:45 AM EDT
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Rep. Ben Cline (R-VA)
 FBI's Wray Reveals 'Horrifying' Google Search Made By Trump's Would-Be Assassin |
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Posted: 7/25/2024 1:17:14 AM EDT
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POTUS ear. Best pic I have found to date.
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Posted: 7/25/2024 1:22:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Gamma762]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WesJanson: Provide proof that every bit of downrange damage was caused exclusively by the first 3 rounds. I've not seen any video evidence showing it. Hypothetically a single magic penetrator round could have somehow done all of the damage simultaneously, but that's stupid. Assuming that 3 rounds managed to hit Trump, kill one audience member, critically injure two more, and hit a crane is stupid. The likely answer is that he fired 8 rounds at the crowd and Trump, and connected on human targets with 4 of the 8. A 5th hit the hydraulics, and the remaining 3 missed into inanimate objects that don't leave giant obvious visible reactions from a hundred feet away on TV...like basically any other surface present. Dirt, wood, steel, whatever. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WesJanson: Originally Posted By brass: Originally Posted By WesJanson: Originally Posted By RSG:
...In testimony on Tuesday at a House Committee on Homeland Security hearing about the assassination attempt, Pennsylvania State Police Col. Christopher L. Paris told lawmakers that eight casings were recovered from the gunman's location. Video and audio analysis from the shooting indicates the gunman fired eight shots. Audio experts Rob Maher of Montana State University and Steven Beck of Beck Audio Forensics told CBS News they identified 10 gunshots from the recordings of the event. The first eight rounds had similar acoustic characteristics and originated from the same location. Beck said these eight discharges, fired in approximately 5.2 seconds, were consistent with the AR-15-style rifle the shooter used. The final two gunshots were likely from law enforcement and came from two different firearms in two different locations, the audio analysis indicates. The first of these two gunshots was fired approximately 5.5 seconds after the gunman opened fire, Beck said. The gunman stopped firing immediately, indicating this bullet hit him. A final shot was fired 10 seconds later. Which is funny, since this is precisely the same analysis I had of the original live video all of 20 minutes after the event occurred. A shitload of people want this to be more complicated or conspiracy theoried out than the evidence indicates. Kid fired 8 rounds, got deaded by a USSS sniper shot, and then a second sniper round was fired to confirm the kill (or because the second team wasn't sure and wanted to be certain). There's no SR25. No second gunman on the grassy knoll. No random USSS CAT guys spray and praying the rooftop from down on stage. No patrol cops doing one-handed warning shots from below the factory building roof. Kid fired his first 3 shots in a burst at Trump. Paused to assess, realized Trump was down in the scrimmage pile, started mag dumping at the pile. The roof was low enough and the stands were high enough that his rounds impacted the crowd rather than the security pile on stage. Snipers were able to engage within 6 seconds and end it. Period, that's it. Questions of conspiracies must focus on outside assistance, inside security gap assistance, and contacts. The question we should be asking is what were the bombs he allegedly had, and what was the sophistication level of those explosives. No vaguely competent state actor would equip a 20 year old kid with a basic blaster AR and throw him up against a president. Except we're missing anything getting hit. The first 3 shots killed a Fireman, wounded Trump and two others in crowd, hit a railing and blew a hyrdraulic hose. The next 5 shots didn't seem to hit anything. No reported further injuries, no reported damage to buildings or vehicles. The different sound to them could have just been the cell phone moving and mic gain control or a hard surface echo as he was walking, don't know. Only the stage microphones stayed still and pointed the same direction with fixed gain the entire time should be used as a reference, IMHO. The other two recordings were moving microphones with automatic gain so relative volume isn't guaranteed. The big question is where did the middle 5 rounds impact (or where were they intended to impact), prior to the 2 shots from counter sniper teams? If he was firing into the dog pile on Trump, there would have been a huge issue and several ambulances, not all of them walking away with no reports of injuries. The area Trump was in was dense with humans, so even near misses would hit somebody. So those 5 rounds must have went in a different direction. Provide proof that every bit of downrange damage was caused exclusively by the first 3 rounds. I've not seen any video evidence showing it. Hypothetically a single magic penetrator round could have somehow done all of the damage simultaneously, but that's stupid. Assuming that 3 rounds managed to hit Trump, kill one audience member, critically injure two more, and hit a crane is stupid. The likely answer is that he fired 8 rounds at the crowd and Trump, and connected on human targets with 4 of the 8. A 5th hit the hydraulics, and the remaining 3 missed into inanimate objects that don't leave giant obvious visible reactions from a hundred feet away on TV...like basically any other surface present. Dirt, wood, steel, whatever. One of the video analysis seemed to show the fatality happening during the second sequence of shots. (IIRC) |
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Posted: 7/25/2024 1:25:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: brass]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WesJanson: Provide proof that every bit of downrange damage was caused exclusively by the first 3 rounds. I've not seen any video evidence showing it. Hypothetically a single magic penetrator round could have somehow done all of the damage simultaneously, but that's stupid. Assuming that 3 rounds managed to hit Trump, kill one audience member, critically injure two more, and hit a crane is stupid. The likely answer is that he fired 8 rounds at the crowd and Trump, and connected on human targets with 4 of the 8. A 5th hit the hydraulics, and the remaining 3 missed into inanimate objects that don't leave giant obvious visible reactions from a hundred feet away on TV...like basically any other surface present. Dirt, wood, steel, whatever. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WesJanson: Originally Posted By brass: Originally Posted By WesJanson: Originally Posted By RSG:
...In testimony on Tuesday at a House Committee on Homeland Security hearing about the assassination attempt, Pennsylvania State Police Col. Christopher L. Paris told lawmakers that eight casings were recovered from the gunman's location. Video and audio analysis from the shooting indicates the gunman fired eight shots. Audio experts Rob Maher of Montana State University and Steven Beck of Beck Audio Forensics told CBS News they identified 10 gunshots from the recordings of the event. The first eight rounds had similar acoustic characteristics and originated from the same location. Beck said these eight discharges, fired in approximately 5.2 seconds, were consistent with the AR-15-style rifle the shooter used. The final two gunshots were likely from law enforcement and came from two different firearms in two different locations, the audio analysis indicates. The first of these two gunshots was fired approximately 5.5 seconds after the gunman opened fire, Beck said. The gunman stopped firing immediately, indicating this bullet hit him. A final shot was fired 10 seconds later. Which is funny, since this is precisely the same analysis I had of the original live video all of 20 minutes after the event occurred. A shitload of people want this to be more complicated or conspiracy theoried out than the evidence indicates. Kid fired 8 rounds, got deaded by a USSS sniper shot, and then a second sniper round was fired to confirm the kill (or because the second team wasn't sure and wanted to be certain). There's no SR25. No second gunman on the grassy knoll. No random USSS CAT guys spray and praying the rooftop from down on stage. No patrol cops doing one-handed warning shots from below the factory building roof. Kid fired his first 3 shots in a burst at Trump. Paused to assess, realized Trump was down in the scrimmage pile, started mag dumping at the pile. The roof was low enough and the stands were high enough that his rounds impacted the crowd rather than the security pile on stage. Snipers were able to engage within 6 seconds and end it. Period, that's it. Questions of conspiracies must focus on outside assistance, inside security gap assistance, and contacts. The question we should be asking is what were the bombs he allegedly had, and what was the sophistication level of those explosives. No vaguely competent state actor would equip a 20 year old kid with a basic blaster AR and throw him up against a president. Except we're missing anything getting hit. The first 3 shots killed a Fireman, wounded Trump and two others in crowd, hit a railing and blew a hyrdraulic hose. The next 5 shots didn't seem to hit anything. No reported further injuries, no reported damage to buildings or vehicles. The different sound to them could have just been the cell phone moving and mic gain control or a hard surface echo as he was walking, don't know. Only the stage microphones stayed still and pointed the same direction with fixed gain the entire time should be used as a reference, IMHO. The other two recordings were moving microphones with automatic gain so relative volume isn't guaranteed. The big question is where did the middle 5 rounds impact (or where were they intended to impact), prior to the 2 shots from counter sniper teams? If he was firing into the dog pile on Trump, there would have been a huge issue and several ambulances, not all of them walking away with no reports of injuries. The area Trump was in was dense with humans, so even near misses would hit somebody. So those 5 rounds must have went in a different direction. Provide proof that every bit of downrange damage was caused exclusively by the first 3 rounds. I've not seen any video evidence showing it. Hypothetically a single magic penetrator round could have somehow done all of the damage simultaneously, but that's stupid. Assuming that 3 rounds managed to hit Trump, kill one audience member, critically injure two more, and hit a crane is stupid. The likely answer is that he fired 8 rounds at the crowd and Trump, and connected on human targets with 4 of the 8. A 5th hit the hydraulics, and the remaining 3 missed into inanimate objects that don't leave giant obvious visible reactions from a hundred feet away on TV...like basically any other surface present. Dirt, wood, steel, whatever. Video shows the first hit the firefighter in the head, 2nd Trump's ear and the hydraulic line (hydraulic line literally the next frame in video), and third the other injuries. There is speculation that the one which hit Trump's ear was the one that killed the Firefighter but I don't think that's super likely due to tumbling after 2 skull transitions, as well as at most 4 aimed rounds to that area (one wounded fan per round). Watch the analysis and vids, none of them can plot path of more than 4 bullets, so possibly 3-4 bullets aimed and then 4-5 not aimed at Trump/crowd area. The 3D animations show sound of gunshots and black traces assuming they passed over Trump and missed everything else so there's not an official path for them, just guesses which are as good as complete misses. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 7/25/2024 1:34:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gamma762: CEO of Gab posted that he strongly suspects that the shooter had a dormant account on Gab that hasn't been scrubbed.
https://gab.com/epicMicrowave/comments
If that’s really him, he sure has the Redditor ‘well akchually’ tone down perfectly. |
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Posted: 7/25/2024 6:03:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WoodHeat: I'm aware. Do you think that any carrier would put up temporary towers for a two or three hour event? I don't. You literally tow them around. The military has had them forever. I think they are dumb because all they become in a combat zone is the the first target, in this environment they would be perfect. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 7/25/2024 7:56:32 AM EDT
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Yea, the stock made it invisible.
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Posted: 7/25/2024 8:39:44 AM EDT
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That and the thingy that goes up...
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Posted: 7/25/2024 8:43:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZNetEng: That and the thingy that goes up... I used to think they were just stupid. They aren't. Evil, not stupid. We'd be smart to not forget that. |
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Posted: 7/25/2024 9:17:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DarkStar: Yea, the stock made it invisible. Vid:
I don't think they're going to get a lot of mileage out of that. An optimal attack site was left unsecured. It's an existential and self-evident fact that they cannot explain away, and whatever part of the public still cares already knows it. |
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Posted: 7/25/2024 9:21:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Logcutter: Evil, not stupid. We'd be smart to not forget that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Logcutter: Originally Posted By AZNetEng: That and the thingy that goes up... I used to think they were just stupid. They aren't. Evil, not stupid. We'd be smart to not forget that. Incompetence. That’s what they’re trying to sell. On both sides. Some of them post here often and seem to be protected. |
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Posted: 7/25/2024 10:02:52 AM EDT
[#39]
The smug "smarter than thou" attitude his classmates talked about oozes in those GAB posts.
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Posted: 7/25/2024 10:13:37 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmaSource: Do we have any video that shows blood on Trumps hand immediately after he was shot and lifted his hand to his ear? Trying to win an argument with someone... Haven't seen video but there was a photo sequence taken by a NY Times reporter that caught it. https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/s/CLoka499Lu |
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Posted: 7/25/2024 10:25:43 AM EDT
[#41]
Again with the 'new account' crap?!? do I need to spam meme replies to every post for the next month before I can properly convey a thought? ugh.
Sorry gonna be multi posts Quote HistoryExactly... And how did you come across this link? I'm assuming someone sent it to you. For those of us that like to independently verify facts, this is 'problematic'. Here is why: If I were to tell you this is the site where you can look up NOTAMs could you find this NOTAM yourself? Before seeing the one linked, I logically searched for NOTAMs for the closest airports / airfields (KBTP / KHAO) in the AO; nothing. After seeing FDC 4/0050, I looked up EWC and its a NAVAID and thought, ok maybe pilots / drone operators know to check local NOTAMs but also closest NAVAID. So I put EWC in the search and nadda. So I switched back to the current NOTAM list and poked around at some current VIP NOTAMs thinking maybe they just were not archived for muh security. As best I can tell, VIP NOTAMs are under the ARTCC (ZOB Cleveland in this case). |
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Posted: 7/25/2024 10:26:28 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/25/2024 10:27:02 AM EDT
[#43]
Those were all Detroit and all had the following:
EXC AS SPECIFIED BLW AND/OR UNLESS AUTH BY ATC IN CONSULTATION WITH THE AIR TFC SECURITY COORDINATOR VIA THE DOMESTIC EVENTS NETWORK (DEN): A. ALL ACFT OPS WI THE 10NM RADIUS AREA(S) LISTED ABV, KNOWN AS THE INNER CORE(S), ARE PROHIBITED EXC FOR: APPROVED LAW ENFORCEMENT, MIL ACFT DIRECTLY SUPPORTING THE UNITED STATES SECRET SERVICE(USSS) AND THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, APPROVED AIR AMBULANCE FLIGHTS, AND REGULARLY SCHEDULED COMMERCIAL PAX Odd, the rally simply stated: No pilots may operate an aircraft in the areas covered by this NOTAM (except as described). A. UAS OPS MAY BE AUTH WI THE DEFINED SSI AIRSPACE IF IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE RQMNTS LISTED BLW: 1) UAS OPS IN DCT SUPPORT OF AN ACT NTL DEFENSE, HOMELAND SECURITY, LAW ENFORCEMENT, FIREFIGHTING, SAR, OR DISASTER RESPONSE MISSION; 2) UAS OPS IN SUPPORT OF EVENT OPS; 3) COMMERCIAL UAS OPS WITH A VALID STATEMENT OF WORK; 4) MUST BE IN POSSESSION OF AN APPROVED SPECIAL GOVERNMENTAL INTEREST(SGI) AIRSPACE WAIVER; 5) AND COMPLY WITH ALL OTHER APPLICABLE FEDERAL AVIATION REGULATIONS. The next day, the only thing on the list is a little 4nm spot in Bethel Park (4/1878): No pilots may operate an aircraft in the areas covered by this NOTAM (except as described). unless authorized by ATC in consultation with the air traffic security coordinator via the domestic events network (DEN). |
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Posted: 7/25/2024 10:27:39 AM EDT
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[#44]
OK... What about previous rallies?
Trump held a rally at his golf course, no USSS/DEN mentioned and it was only for two hours (4/7576), maybe because 4/9417 indicates Mar A Lago has a general stop for 1 year (also no USSS/DEN). The previous rally in Chesapeake, VA (4/2957) again 2 hours but only states: No pilots may operate an aircraft in the areas covered by this NOTAM (except as described). Thats it. The conclusions I'm drawing from this rabbit hole is A)sources and data need VERIFIED B) There is something fucky going on in Bethel Park and C) Trump is definitely not getting the full USSS treatment and they are rubber stamping the NOTAM. For example, Chesapeake NOTAM was 1415-1615. USSS doesn't start scurrying around until 1547 and Trump isn't back in the SUV until after 1730 Almost forgot: Originally Posted By dangerdan: Now convert UTC time zone to EDT Uhh... Or just read the NOTAM. Effective time and date is given in local time. |
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Posted: 7/25/2024 10:34:37 AM EDT
[#45]
oh and NOTAMs dont mean squat if Crooks was flying a drone doing recon during the supposed nofly time
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Posted: 7/25/2024 10:40:44 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Advance: POTUS ear. Best pic I have found to date. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/309598/trump_ear_png-3276297.JPG https://media.128ducks.com/file_store/38452c06adc4f283246789e8de6ad3c1ca6ff760d58011e3a7e35b19e78e4f27.png “tRuMp WaS nOt ReAlLy ShOt!” |
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Posted: 7/25/2024 10:44:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By muhahaha: oh and NOTAMs dont mean squat if Crooks was flying a drone doing recon during the supposed nofly time It must be something pretty important to warrant five posts in a row from you.   Attached File |
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Posted: 7/25/2024 10:44:52 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By muhahaha: Again with the 'new account' crap?!? do I need to spam meme replies to every post for the next month before I can properly convey a thought? Nope. Posting 5 replies in a row should help you rack up your post count pretty quick.
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Posted: 7/25/2024 10:49:21 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WesJanson: Provide proof that every bit of downrange damage was caused exclusively by the first 3 rounds. I've not seen any video evidence showing it. Hypothetically a single magic penetrator round could have somehow done all of the damage simultaneously, but that's stupid. Assuming that 3 rounds managed to hit Trump, kill one audience member, critically injure two more, and hit a crane is stupid. The likely answer is that he fired 8 rounds at the crowd and Trump, and connected on human targets with 4 of the 8. A 5th hit the hydraulics, and the remaining 3 missed into inanimate objects that don't leave giant obvious visible reactions from a hundred feet away on TV...like basically any other surface present. Dirt, wood, steel, whatever. Have you seen the video of the one round going through the 2 spectators and striking the railing? Trump is still talking during that shot, and Trump wasn't talking after the first 3 shots. Trump was (obviously) shot in the ear in the first 3 shots. Hydraulic fluid is spraying and the speakers are lowering when the second volley begins (probably the shot that went through Trump's ear.) I haven't seen video of when Corey was shot, but we know he was hit once in the head. That's a total of 3 shots. Two of which are easily verified to be in the first 3 shots. |
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Posted: 7/25/2024 10:50:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunter-Killer: “tRuMp WaS nOt ReAlLy ShOt!” Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunter-Killer: Originally Posted By Advance: POTUS ear. Best pic I have found to date. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/309598/trump_ear_png-3276297.JPG https://media.128ducks.com/file_store/38452c06adc4f283246789e8de6ad3c1ca6ff760d58011e3a7e35b19e78e4f27.png “tRuMp WaS nOt ReAlLy ShOt!” They're the same people that have been calling you a conspiracy theorist for the past 4 years. |
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