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Posted: 7/31/2021 11:51:11 PM EDT
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Big black length
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Posted: 7/31/2021 11:52:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Big black length pages? You fell for the myth. And didn't own pp2. Loser. X2 |
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Posted: 7/31/2021 11:55:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's odd to me we keep seeing the exact same manifest on the net, I'm pretty sure I've seen it on other handwritten sources (nothing that old, though). Quote HistoryQuoted: It's odd to me we keep seeing the exact same manifest on the net, I'm pretty sure I've seen it on other handwritten sources (nothing that old, though). The source cited from the wiki page on "barrel" just mentions pre-1859 manifests without citing any specific primary source. However, while Ida Tarbell’s controversial 1904 History of Standard Oil Company acknowledged the “holy blue barrel,” the abbreviation “bbl” had been in use before the 1859 birth of the petroleum industry. In the early 19th century, wooden barrels of all capacities were common containers of trade: hogsheads, puncheons, tierces, butts, tuns, and other long since forgotten terms. Shipping manifests reveal that quantities of honey, rum, whale oil, and other commodities were shipped by the “bbl” – well before John D. Rockefeller and Standard Oil’s blue barrels. |
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Posted: 7/31/2021 11:57:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Please site an example of bbl used prior to 1872. Just looking around the web, Here is a 1795 example:  Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 12:01:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. I thought it meant "bull barrel." Same. |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 12:04:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just looking around the web, Here is a 1795 example: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/273720/Screenshot_2021-07-31_8_50_30_PM_-_Displ-2035432.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/273720/Screenshot_2021-07-31_8_50_56_PM_-_Displ-2035435.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/273720/Screenshot_2021-07-31_8_55_20_PM_-_Displ-2035434.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Please site an example of bbl used prior to 1872. Just looking around the web, Here is a 1795 example: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/273720/Screenshot_2021-07-31_8_50_30_PM_-_Displ-2035432.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/273720/Screenshot_2021-07-31_8_50_56_PM_-_Displ-2035435.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/273720/Screenshot_2021-07-31_8_55_20_PM_-_Displ-2035434.JPG Wow. Good sleuthing. |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 12:10:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's something that people find interesting. That's sufficient for people to talk about it. It doesn't need to matter beyond that threshold. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It matters inasmuch as it's an interesting conversation to have. You're welcome to not participate. Ahhh, but I am participating, and offered a response. So, what DOES it matter? Participate, please. It's something that people find interesting. That's sufficient for people to talk about it. It doesn't need to matter beyond that threshold. The thread is in the General Discussion forum bearing a very clear and concise title. Why are you people even reading it? 
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Posted: 8/1/2021 12:19:35 AM EDT
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It’s an acronym for a specific unit of volume measurement that is irrelevant to the context of firearms and is favored by lazy individuals who can’t take the extra 0.4 microseconds to fully type out “barrel.”
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Posted: 8/1/2021 12:40:26 AM EDT
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Origin it's not "blue barrel", it's for "1 Barrel of Petroleum oil" (42 gallons).
Drum is the 55 gallon, has nothing to do with color so it seems. |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 2:51:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Origin it's not "blue barrel", it's for "1 Barrel of Petroleum oil" (42 gallons). Drum is the 55 gallon, has nothing to do with color so it seems. For being a moderator, you don't really do this arfcom thing very well. 
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Posted: 8/1/2021 2:52:41 AM EDT
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Quoted: Where the hell did this come from? We'll have bbl call you |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 2:54:35 AM EDT
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I like it, it's a quick and easy way to instantly tell you're dealing with a Fudd.
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Posted: 8/1/2021 3:05:22 AM EDT
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Fuckin GD. Where grown men will argue about anything.
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Posted: 8/1/2021 3:14:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For being a moderator, you don't really do this arfcom thing very well. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Origin it's not "blue barrel", it's for "1 Barrel of Petroleum oil" (42 gallons). Drum is the 55 gallon, has nothing to do with color so it seems. For being a moderator, you don't really do this arfcom thing very well. 
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Posted: 8/1/2021 3:23:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree with OP. Something's wrong here. That second b really drives me insane. Subconciously I pronounce it babarrel everytime I see the abbreviation.
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Posted: 8/1/2021 3:38:16 AM EDT
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I would bet on it being "British barrel", as in denoting a unit in the British measure system, and not just any old barrel. If it's not "British" it's some other word denoting the standard measure as opposed to an actual barrel.
But that's a hunch. I got no source. |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 3:48:19 AM EDT
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I think Bohr is on to something. It has to do with the early days of firearms. I read somewhere maybe 40-50 years ago (Sweet Jeebus...
) "bbl" is "bored barrel length" and had to do with cannon or rifle barrels (bbls) only being bored a certain length then just open tubing, something like that.ETA: |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 9:26:05 AM EDT
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Because BL (bale) was already taken.
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Posted: 8/1/2021 10:01:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because BL (bale) was already taken. I think I saw that somewhere in my googling last night. Problem is, I haven't seen it used in context yet (like on a cargo manifest). But, that could definitely explain it. |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 10:46:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Since before any of us were born. Oil is priced by the bbl. It isn't that big of a stretch to be honest with ya. Yup. |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 12:27:54 PM EDT
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I thought it was Butt Barrel, as in what size of barrel.
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Posted: 8/1/2021 12:35:51 PM EDT
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In electrical engineering we use 'i' for current because 'c' is taken by capacitance. Then had to use 'j' instead of 'i' for imaginary numbers. Sometimes you just have to use what's available. As long as everyone agrees it works fine.
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Posted: 8/1/2021 12:46:51 PM EDT
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Is it as dumb as finance and sales guys using "mm" for million? I read it as muh-million.
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Posted: 8/1/2021 12:49:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I like it, it's a quick and easy way to instantly tell you're dealing with a Fudd. Its also a quick and easy way to identify those with no knowledge of accepted / standard firearms terminology |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 12:51:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought it was Butt Barrel, as in what size of barrel. eta: although a Barrique would be closer in size to what we currently use for oil. But that doesn't mean it hasn't changed over time.  |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 12:54:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/1/2021 1:16:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think I saw that somewhere in my googling last night. Problem is, I haven't seen it used in context yet (like on a carbo manifest). But, that could definitely explain it. Yes, but they still could've used "brl", instead of injecting an additional 'b' that isn't in the word itself. I think the actual origins are probably one of those things lost to time - especially given how ubiquitous it became, most people back then never thought about it much at all once it became the norm. |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 1:45:37 PM EDT
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This thread is just another example of aspie Arfcommers refusing to accept that things, words, laws, regulations, etc. don’t have to make any sense.
We live in an imperfect world, and the sooner you reconcile yourself to this fact the |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 1:46:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is anyone going to own pp2? Should be bb2 |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 8:54:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, but they still could've used "brl", instead of injecting an additional 'b' that isn't in the word itself. I think the actual origins are probably one of those things lost to time - especially given how ubiquitous it became, most people back then never thought about it much at all once it became the norm. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think I saw that somewhere in my googling last night. Problem is, I haven't seen it used in context yet (like on a carbo manifest). But, that could definitely explain it. Yes, but they still could've used "brl", instead of injecting an additional 'b' that isn't in the word itself. I think the actual origins are probably one of those things lost to time - especially given how ubiquitous it became, most people back then never thought about it much at all once it became the norm. A lot of old abbreviations seem add letters that aren't there in the word. It was about establishing a recognizable shorthand, not just removing letters. |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 9:14:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A lot of old abbreviations seem add letters that aren't there in the word. It was about establishing a recognizable shorthand, not just removing letters. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think I saw that somewhere in my googling last night. Problem is, I haven't seen it used in context yet (like on a carbo manifest). But, that could definitely explain it. Yes, but they still could've used "brl", instead of injecting an additional 'b' that isn't in the word itself. I think the actual origins are probably one of those things lost to time - especially given how ubiquitous it became, most people back then never thought about it much at all once it became the norm. A lot of old abbreviations seem add letters that aren't there in the word. It was about establishing a recognizable shorthand, not just removing letters. Examples lb -> From "Libre pound" showing scales constellation (Libra) indicating pound as weight, so "lb" for pound where neither letter in 'pound'. oz -> From Italian onza- from unit of weight, the twelfth part of a pound, early 14c., from Old French once, unce, a measure of weight or time (12c.), from Latin uncia "one-twelfth part" (of a pound, a foot, etc.), from Latin unus "one" (from PIE root *oi-no- "one, unique"). The Latin word had been adopted in Old English as ynce . Now that I look, most Imperial (and most metric) are pulled from abbreviating the Latin word probably to sound all high brow or something, but I can't find anything for bbl, also called "baril" in Latin with no extra 'b' anyway. |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 9:23:08 PM EDT
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Smart guy who:
1) Wanted to save ink or pencil lead 2) energy 3) keystrokes |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 9:24:53 PM EDT
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As I ponder this, I'm inclined to favor the "plural" hypothesis.
The "pp" above, for "pages," is a great example, as are archaic academic titles like "LL.D." Its use even as a singular probably came later. |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 9:36:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is also 42 US gallons. 1 BBL=42 US Gallons Original firearms 'barrels" were in fact made by coopers, because it was the same method of construction. Staves with hoops. |
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