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Posted: 8/25/2018 10:21:42 AM EDT
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Why would one want a single action instead of a double action? Not nearly as fun though. And I use my Lightning for EDC and it is used for box cutting, prying stuff, making a racket and cutting the annoying covers off my salad bar containers. Being able to close one handed is very useful. |
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Posted: 8/25/2018 10:33:43 AM EDT
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Why would one want a single action instead of a double action? |
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Posted: 8/25/2018 1:56:27 PM EDT
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I received my dhgate Haro V today. First impressions are that I would probably not be able to tell the difference from a real one with casual inspection or use. Lockup is tight with no side to side play. Firing and retraction feels like the real thing. The only issue I have noticed is that about a quarter of the time the activation button will reset about a 1/16th or so below the fully reset position. It still works fine, it just is occasionally noticeable. As I sit here and play with it it seems to be doing it less.
The blade itself is a dead ringer for the real deal; I am pretty sure it isn't elmax but given that this is a dumb novelty knife anyway that's hardly an issue. Who knows what sort of steel gets used? It probably isn't even all that bad, plenty of decent surplus steel over there I imagine. It is, however, extremely dull. Can't win em all I guess. For $40 shipped, it will be a fun toy and I doubt anyone could tell them apart at a glance. Let's be honest, of all the shit china capably copies, a single action otf isnt exactly complicated. 
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Posted: 8/25/2018 2:30:34 PM EDT
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I received my dhgate Haro V today. First impressions are that I would probably not be able to tell the difference from a real one with casual inspection or use. Lockup is tight with no side to side play. Firing and retraction feels like the real thing. The only issue I have noticed is that about a quarter of the time the activation button will reset about a 1/16th or so below the fully reset position. It still works fine, it just is occasionally noticeable. As I sit here and play with it it seems to be doing it less. The blade itself is a dead ringer for the real deal; I am pretty sure it isn't elmax but given that this is a dumb novelty knife anyway that's hardly an issue. Who knows what sort of steel gets used? It probably isn't even all that bad, plenty of decent surplus steel over there I imagine. It is, however, extremely dull. Can't win em all I guess. For $40 shipped, it will be a fun toy and I doubt anyone could tell them apart at a glance. Let's be honest, of all the shit china capably copies, a single action otf isnt exactly complicated. https://i.imgur.com/Mfaql35.jpg https://i.imgur.com/2Rz01LH.jpg https://i.imgur.com/e7G08Y7.jpg https://i.imgur.com/bqFPypb.jpg |
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Posted: 8/25/2018 2:33:53 PM EDT
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I received my dhgate Haro V today. First impressions are that I would probably not be able to tell the difference from a real one with casual inspection or use. Lockup is tight with no side to side play. Firing and retraction feels like the real thing. The only issue I have noticed is that about a quarter of the time the activation button will reset about a 1/16th or so below the fully reset position. It still works fine, it just is occasionally noticeable. As I sit here and play with it it seems to be doing it less. The blade itself is a dead ringer for the real deal; I am pretty sure it isn't elmax but given that this is a dumb novelty knife anyway that's hardly an issue. Who knows what sort of steel gets used? It probably isn't even all that bad, plenty of decent surplus steel over there I imagine. It is, however, extremely dull. Can't win em all I guess. For $40 shipped, it will be a fun toy and I doubt anyone could tell them apart at a glance. Let's be honest, of all the shit china capably copies, a single action otf isnt exactly complicated. https://i.imgur.com/Mfaql35.jpg https://i.imgur.com/2Rz01LH.jpg https://i.imgur.com/e7G08Y7.jpg https://i.imgur.com/bqFPypb.jpg 
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Posted: 8/25/2018 2:37:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks good. No pocket clip? I am going to do as the above poster and remove the belt lock and use the sheath in my pocket. It will make a fun knockaround knife. |
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Posted: 8/25/2018 3:30:16 PM EDT
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No clips on real ones. Given the unprotected button it wouldn't be very safe imo, force required to fire it is quite low. I am going to do as the above poster and remove the belt lock and use the sheath in my pocket. It will make a fun knockaround knife. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Looks good. No pocket clip? I am going to do as the above poster and remove the belt lock and use the sheath in my pocket. It will make a fun knockaround knife. I checked, and it fired right through a dish towel. trying not to tell the wife. but no I wouldn't carry it unprotected in a pocket. It wouldn't hit your femoral, but it sure would ruin your pants and some meat. |
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Posted: 8/25/2018 4:34:23 PM EDT
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I ordered a Miker Halo and an Andy Paladin last week thanks to this thread. I think they were $93 total. Pics and review when they arrive.
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Posted: 8/25/2018 4:41:18 PM EDT
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I ordered a Miker Halo and an Andy Paladin last week thanks to this thread. I think they were $93 total. Pics and review when they arrive. ETA dont overtighten the screw when you put it back in |
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Posted: 8/25/2018 4:42:34 PM EDT
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I've seen an "Andy Manufacturing" halo-esque copy, also from DH. It's smaller, and a hell of a lot more manageable than a Halo V or VI.
It is NOT marked with counterfeit "Microtech" etching, box, or papers. It plainly states Andy Manufacturing. The snap is good. The lock up is rock solid. ...and it has a working SAFETY. I know a working safety means less than jack shit to some people (...cough, glock owners)...but on a razor sharp knife right next to your femoral and your balls) it's a good idea. |
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Posted: 8/25/2018 5:16:45 PM EDT
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Doesn't beat an aliexpress knockoff Microtech with D2 steel for 30 bucks https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1piqjesUrBKNjSZPxq6x00pXah/BENYS-Microtech-Camo-A07-Troodon-Scarab-Fixed-Blade-Knife.jpg |
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Posted: 8/25/2018 5:31:23 PM EDT
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I've seen an "Andy Manufacturing" halo-esque copy, also from DH. It's smaller, and a hell of a lot more manageable than a Halo V or VI. It is NOT marked with counterfeit "Microtech" etching, box, or papers. It plainly states Andy Manufacturing. The snap is good. The lock up is rock solid. ...and it has a working SAFETY. I know a working safety means less than jack shit to some people (...cough, glock owners)...but on a razor sharp knife right next to your femoral and your balls) it's a good idea. 
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Posted: 8/25/2018 6:12:03 PM EDT
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I said the same thing when they were illegal in WI and MI. |
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Posted: 8/25/2018 10:22:16 PM EDT
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I've seen an "Andy Manufacturing" halo-esque copy, also from DH. It's smaller, and a hell of a lot more manageable than a Halo V or VI. It is NOT marked with counterfeit "Microtech" etching, box, or papers. It plainly states Andy Manufacturing. The snap is good. The lock up is rock solid. ...and it has a working SAFETY. I know a working safety means less than jack shit to some people (...cough, glock owners)...but on a razor sharp knife right next to your femoral and your balls) it's a good idea. |
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Posted: 8/25/2018 10:23:59 PM EDT
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I've seen an "Andy Manufacturing" halo-esque copy, also from DH. It's smaller, and a hell of a lot more manageable than a Halo V or VI. It is NOT marked with counterfeit "Microtech" etching, box, or papers. It plainly states Andy Manufacturing. The snap is good. The lock up is rock solid. ...and it has a working SAFETY. I know a working safety means less than jack shit to some people (...cough, glock owners)...but on a razor sharp knife right next to your femoral and your balls) it's a good idea. |
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Posted: 8/26/2018 7:42:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wouldn't carry ANY single action OTF without a sheath. "Safety" or not. testing this is what ultimately got me to trust autos and understand that even an accidental deployment wouldn't be as bad as one with a folder. |
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Posted: 8/26/2018 10:37:34 AM EDT
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Ordered the mini Troodon off Ali. I have no idea why. Says it's D2 with aluminum handle. A lot of the other knives had zinc alloy handles.
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Posted: 8/27/2018 3:43:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: on a single action knife the blade is under spring tension at rest, where on a double action it's not. The singles also punch out harder, and can go through layers of material or you before they come to rest. my double actions have been stopped by just a few post it notes or similar while the real halo I played with would shoot clear through an apple. testing this is what ultimately got me to trust autos and understand that even an accidental deployment wouldn't be as bad as one with a folder. And I had to reset the blade. How does a SA retract? Do you to push it back in? |
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Posted: 8/27/2018 3:55:26 PM EDT
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Thanks for the explanation. I have practically no experience with OTF. I took a piece of paper stock and held in front of my lightning DA OTF, only the point penetrated. I was a little surprised at the outcome. And I had to reset the blade. How does a SA retract? Do you to push it back in? 
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Posted: 8/27/2018 4:20:22 PM EDT
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http://www.lightningotfknives.com/
Code LT25 for $25 shipped OTF from Lightning. Worked for me today 
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Posted: 8/27/2018 7:37:09 PM EDT
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Doesn't beat an aliexpress knockoff Microtech with D2 steel for 30 bucks https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1piqjesUrBKNjSZPxq6x00pXah/BENYS-Microtech-Camo-A07-Troodon-Scarab-Fixed-Blade-Knife.jpg It's really nice quality and seems at least as nice as my HK OTF. It's just 440c blade, not D2. ETA: I had a Lightning, and this knockoff is an order of magnitude nicer than the Lightning. |
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Posted: 8/27/2018 7:46:55 PM EDT
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I got the Aliexpress knife yesterday, but my DHGate knife came in today. It is SIGNIFICANTLY nicer! feels more sturdy, locks up well, the finish is better even the kydex looks good and the box is legit. makes me think it's closer to a made in the same factory knife than a clone. So much so that I'm going to sell the first one and actually keep/carry this one.
anybody have a good way to conceal a giant switchblade?
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Posted: 8/27/2018 9:22:11 PM EDT
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I may try and do a leather sheath for it, too, or it will live under a desk or something cool. I checked, and it fired right through a dish towel. trying not to tell the wife. but no I wouldn't carry it unprotected in a pocket. It wouldn't hit your femoral, but it sure would ruin your pants and some meat. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Looks good. No pocket clip? I am going to do as the above poster and remove the belt lock and use the sheath in my pocket. It will make a fun knockaround knife. I checked, and it fired right through a dish towel. trying not to tell the wife. but no I wouldn't carry it unprotected in a pocket. It wouldn't hit your femoral, but it sure would ruin your pants and some meat. Turn it upside down on the table (button down) and press as hard as you can. It won't fire. If it's made like the real ones are, anyhow. |
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Posted: 8/27/2018 9:39:10 PM EDT
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http://www.lightningotfknives.com/ Code LT25 for $25 shipped OTF from Lightning. Worked for me today crazy fast, and a solid knife. And for the money I do not think it can be beat |
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Posted: 8/27/2018 9:48:38 PM EDT
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came to post that my Halo showed up as well. the box was sketchy, labeled with some Hong Kong return address and it looked like a bunch of drugs from a movie. but the paperwork looks legit, this feels pretty good, and it fires hard. I have pics of it next to my actual Ultratech, which is a reasonable sized carry knife. this thing is pretty huge! The Kydex looks and works well, and I took off the tec loc (also a copy) and I'm rocking it as a pocket sheath. https://i.imgur.com/eMHbzsh.jpg https://i.imgur.com/4xGOKdL.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I received my dhgate Haro V today. First impressions are that I would probably not be able to tell the difference from a real one with casual inspection or use. Lockup is tight with no side to side play. Firing and retraction feels like the real thing. The only issue I have noticed is that about a quarter of the time the activation button will reset about a 1/16th or so below the fully reset position. It still works fine, it just is occasionally noticeable. As I sit here and play with it it seems to be doing it less. The blade itself is a dead ringer for the real deal; I am pretty sure it isn't elmax but given that this is a dumb novelty knife anyway that's hardly an issue. Who knows what sort of steel gets used? It probably isn't even all that bad, plenty of decent surplus steel over there I imagine. It is, however, extremely dull. Can't win em all I guess. For $40 shipped, it will be a fun toy and I doubt anyone could tell them apart at a glance. Let's be honest, of all the shit china capably copies, a single action otf isnt exactly complicated. https://i.imgur.com/Mfaql35.jpg https://i.imgur.com/2Rz01LH.jpg https://i.imgur.com/e7G08Y7.jpg https://i.imgur.com/bqFPypb.jpg https://i.imgur.com/eMHbzsh.jpg https://i.imgur.com/4xGOKdL.jpg |
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Posted: 8/27/2018 9:49:11 PM EDT
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link to that knife? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Doesn't beat an aliexpress knockoff Microtech with D2 steel for 30 bucks https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1piqjesUrBKNjSZPxq6x00pXah/BENYS-Microtech-Camo-A07-Troodon-Scarab-Fixed-Blade-Knife.jpg |
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Posted: 8/27/2018 11:24:15 PM EDT
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http://www.lightningotfknives.com/ Code LT25 for $25 shipped OTF from Lightning. Worked for me today |
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Posted: 8/27/2018 11:25:57 PM EDT
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Just received this exact knife purchased from reading this thread. It's really nice quality and seems at least as nice as my HK OTF. It's just 440c blade, not D2. ETA: I had a Lightning, and this knockoff is an order of magnitude nicer than the Lightning. Oh well can’t have too many....never mind I’m way past that point |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 12:55:45 AM EDT
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I got my dhgate Halo VI today in the sketchy pack o drug looking box lol. Looks and feels nice. Lockup is not 100% but pretty close. This has the button with safety which has to be pulled back before firing. It is a neat knife. The metal finish under the anodizing isn't the best as the two halves don't meet up seamlessly. But I like it and it is sharp.
I've also been very happy with my Lightning, zero issues. Just ordered another at $25.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 9:25:50 AM EDT
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Lockup is not 100% but pretty close. The metal finish under the anodizing isn't the best as the two halves don't meet up seamlessly. The $45 clone has less blade play AND its handle is closer to "seamless" than the $500+ Microtech  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 9:53:17 AM EDT
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Here's a pretty good video comparing a $45 clone to a $500+ Microtech The $45 clone has less blade play AND its handle is closer to "seamless" than the $500+ Microtech  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToJGhA7qGfkQuote HistoryQuoted:
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Lockup is not 100% but pretty close. The metal finish under the anodizing isn't the best as the two halves don't meet up seamlessly. The $45 clone has less blade play AND its handle is closer to "seamless" than the $500+ Microtech https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToJGhA7qGfkThe fakes aren't better than a real one, trust me, I've been collecting Microtech since 97 and I have plenty of the fakes too. Some come close to almost as well made, but those are also almost as expensive. |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 10:41:25 AM EDT
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Play will vary per knife. It's inherent in the design of double-action autos. If you want solid lockup with almost zero play, get a single action OTF. The fakes aren't better than a real one, trust me, I've been collecting Microtech since 97 and I have plenty of the fakes too. Some come close to almost as well made, but those are also almost as expensive. |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 11:26:59 AM EDT
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which one would be a smaller good knock off to buy? i have a larger one but i have too much crap in my pockets already.
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Posted: 8/28/2018 11:36:16 AM EDT
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which one would be a smaller good knock off to buy? i have a larger one but i have too much crap in my pockets already. About the same blade length but a smaller handle. |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 11:39:26 AM EDT
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I have a couple microtech OTF’s. HALO is a fucking monster, and I almost never carry it (like 10-11” long when opened). Badass knife though.
Trodon or however it’s spelled is my current favorite. Plus DA OTF knives are much easier to use in daily life than a SA |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 11:49:28 AM EDT
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I'm willing to invest in a tier one out the front auto knife. Needs to be seriously strong, clip point, and non serrated. What's out there other than Hogue and Microtech that is worth looking at? 
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Posted: 8/28/2018 11:57:37 AM EDT
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The Cypher clones have great reviews https://www.dhresource.com/0x0/f2/albu/g7/M00/EE/DB/rBVaSVqqUL-AB_-YAAE2Gf9hJag452.jpg This is the one I went with. I'll update with a review when it arrives https://www.dhresource.com/0x0/f2/albu/g4/M01/67/89/rBVaEVe9bFOAeLvgAAsy7FXwB5I642.jpg  
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Posted: 8/28/2018 12:42:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: link to that knife? |
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Posted: 8/31/2018 5:54:55 PM EDT
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Got my blue lightning in today. Don’t get blue it looks cheap and black would be easy to touch up with sharpie if scratched. Not much blade movement and fires consistently so far. Sticks through paper about 3/4” before stopping. Not sharp but a few passes with Worksharp fixed that up. Do not care for springy noise when operating though.
ETA playing with it pretty often and now it comes off track every few fires. |
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Posted: 8/31/2018 6:08:26 PM EDT
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Got my Andy Paladin today. Blade bounces at the end of its movement and then falls back into the handle. If I pull it to full extension, it locks into the button and I can retract it automatically.
I wrote the email address listed on the cleaning cloth that came with it, asked for a fix or replacement. Any of you guys dealt with this kind of an issue? |
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Posted: 8/31/2018 9:19:43 PM EDT
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Got my Andy Paladin today. Blade bounces at the end of its movement and then falls back into the handle. If I pull it to full extension, it locks into the button and I can retract it automatically. I wrote the email address listed on the cleaning cloth that came with it, asked for a fix or replacement. Any of you guys dealt with this kind of an issue? |
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Posted: 8/31/2018 9:23:34 PM EDT
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I’may have the one that makes the least sense....
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Posted: 9/1/2018 12:35:14 AM EDT
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This thread is costing me money. Purchased a microtech ultratec clone on dhgate, and the otf from fasttech. My first time buying clone stuff, but I wanted to try out an otf before spending money on the real deal, purchased the fasttech one first before someone linked me to the dhgate, but the dhgate products had positive reviews in this thread so I said why the hell not.
Otf’s Just became legal in my state |
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Posted: 9/1/2018 8:03:07 AM EDT
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Got my blue lightning in today. Don’t get blue it looks cheap and black would be easy to touch up with sharpie if scratched. Not much blade movement and fires consistently so far. Sticks through paper about 3/4” before stopping. Not sharp but a few passes with Worksharp fixed that up. Do not care for springy noise when operating though. The sproing on the lightning is annoying. I dipped back in when someone posted the delta force discount, DF30, and it makes a much more satisfying schnikt! when fired. I like the styling of the lightning and the available options better than the delta force, but the guts of the delta force seem to be more refined. The Lightning was noticeably lighter than the DF. The handles are roughly the same size, the trigger on the DF is smaller. I could do without the window breaker, but the clip on the DF is better than the Lightning. The grind on both had issues, my Lightning is a drop point and there's a clear difference in the transition from the straight edge to the curved tip. My DF is a Tanto, and the grind lines aren't parallel on the edges. They were both sharp out of the box. when I ordered the DF, I wanted a single edge with no serrations, and a shiny blade. By time I picked through the offerings I ended up with a Tanto and the digital camo body. I think if I were to recommend one, I'd go with the classic. |
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Posted: 9/1/2018 12:34:56 PM EDT
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Yeah, I didn't want a black handle but I got it over the blue because I've seen blue anodizing before, and just no... The sproing on the lightning is annoying. I dipped back in when someone posted the delta force discount, DF30, and it makes a much more satisfying schnikt! when fired. I like the styling of the lightning and the available options better than the delta force, but the guts of the delta force seem to be more refined. The Lightning was noticeably lighter than the DF. The handles are roughly the same size, the trigger on the DF is smaller. I could do without the window breaker, but the clip on the DF is better than the Lightning. The grind on both had issues, my Lightning is a drop point and there's a clear difference in the transition from the straight edge to the curved tip. My DF is a Tanto, and the grind lines aren't parallel on the edges. They were both sharp out of the box. when I ordered the DF, I wanted a single edge with no serrations, and a shiny blade. By time I picked through the offerings I ended up with a Tanto and the digital camo body. I think if I were to recommend one, I'd go with the classic. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Got my blue lightning in today. Don’t get blue it looks cheap and black would be easy to touch up with sharpie if scratched. Not much blade movement and fires consistently so far. Sticks through paper about 3/4” before stopping. Not sharp but a few passes with Worksharp fixed that up. Do not care for springy noise when operating though. The sproing on the lightning is annoying. I dipped back in when someone posted the delta force discount, DF30, and it makes a much more satisfying schnikt! when fired. I like the styling of the lightning and the available options better than the delta force, but the guts of the delta force seem to be more refined. The Lightning was noticeably lighter than the DF. The handles are roughly the same size, the trigger on the DF is smaller. I could do without the window breaker, but the clip on the DF is better than the Lightning. The grind on both had issues, my Lightning is a drop point and there's a clear difference in the transition from the straight edge to the curved tip. My DF is a Tanto, and the grind lines aren't parallel on the edges. They were both sharp out of the box. when I ordered the DF, I wanted a single edge with no serrations, and a shiny blade. By time I picked through the offerings I ended up with a Tanto and the digital camo body. I think if I were to recommend one, I'd go with the classic. The sproing on OTFs is just that spring vibrating. The grease will damp it. |
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Posted: 9/1/2018 5:38:25 PM EDT
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I almost want to get this one just to fuck with TSA
But I haven't used anything other than my hands to comb my hair since I was 8 years old 
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Posted: 9/1/2018 5:43:22 PM EDT
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I almost want to get this one just to fuck with TSA But I haven't used anything other than my hands to comb my hair since I was 8 years old https://www.dhresource.com/600x600/f2/albu/g4/M00/FC/90/rBVaEFnN4vyAI36fAAH5dohjTCA984.jpg https://www.dhresource.com/600x600/f2/albu/g5/M01/D4/15/rBVaJFnN4vKATxCYAAH1HkOXByI431.jpg https://www.dhresource.com/600x600/f2/albu/g4/M01/CC/45/rBVaEVnN4smAeJItAAH9IW9WkSw285.jpg |
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Posted: 9/1/2018 6:26:15 PM EDT
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Possibly lube got on the detents. Flush it out with Zippo lighter fluid and blow out with can air. Might have to repeat a couple times. If that doesn’t work you may have to disassemble and manually clean it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Got my Andy Paladin today. Blade bounces at the end of its movement and then falls back into the handle. If I pull it to full extension, it locks into the button and I can retract it automatically. I wrote the email address listed on the cleaning cloth that came with it, asked for a fix or replacement. Any of you guys dealt with this kind of an issue? I'd need a tiny triangular socket set to unscrew the handle, and a three prong screwdriver to unscrew the button. I asked the seller for a replacement. |
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Posted: 9/1/2018 7:32:03 PM EDT
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I’may have the one that makes the least sense....
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Posted: 9/1/2018 7:36:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Link to that knife? A few years back TN scrapped their stupid knife laws, and regular folks could finally carry an auto or a knife with a blade longer than 4”. In true Arfcom fashion, I decided I would get both. In one knife.
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