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Link Posted: 8/14/2024 9:48:48 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By zoinks:
I found this very interesting story. Its outside the thread, but it fits with tonight:
Hawaii lawmakers demand TSA explanation for Tulsi Gabbard's inclusion on terrorist watchlist
and
Why Tulsi Gabbard Was Put on TSA's Suspected Terror Watchlist

Long story short, she's on the same list as those 99 guys the Biden Admin caught and released into the US. She uses her Geneva Convention Card (LOL, do you young guys still call it that - military ID?) when she flys domestically.

And of course, no one knows why..................................................

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I use to get the same Quad S on my tickets when I did official travel when my tickets were bought via DTS.
Link Posted: 8/14/2024 11:15:16 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By R0N:

I use to get the same Quad S on my tickets when I did official travel when my tickets were bought via DTS.
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Originally Posted By R0N:
Originally Posted By zoinks:
I found this very interesting story. Its outside the thread, but it fits with tonight:
Hawaii lawmakers demand TSA explanation for Tulsi Gabbard's inclusion on terrorist watchlist
and
Why Tulsi Gabbard Was Put on TSA's Suspected Terror Watchlist

Long story short, she's on the same list as those 99 guys the Biden Admin caught and released into the US. She uses her Geneva Convention Card (LOL, do you young guys still call it that - military ID?) when she flys domestically.

And of course, no one knows why..................................................


I use to get the same Quad S on my tickets when I did official travel when my tickets were bought via DTS.
That's really interesting!!! Thanks for sharing!  (Today it's Green King Ale on tap!)
So, the big question is "what's the nexus between the 'terror watch list' and purchasing through the Defense Travel System?"

At first blush, what could there be?
There's only been Federal Gov't Policy as published through the various Dept. of Homeland Security's handbooks over the years, but as far as I understand, only veterans are considered to be potential domestic terrorists. I know it was removed, partially, during Trump's time, but came back with Biden, but that doesn't answer why it happened to you.

Has everything turned into the DMV? I want to believe it's all due to incompetence, but over the years, there have been a couple of sitting Congressmen who've ended up on a "No Fly List." There never seems to be an answer, at least a public answer.

Link Posted: 8/14/2024 11:24:17 AM EDT
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SCORE CARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Taiwan tracks 27 Chinese military aircraft, 12 naval ships
TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   The Ministry of National Defense (MND) tracked 27 Chinese military aircraft and 12 naval vessels around Taiwan between 6 a.m. on Tuesday (Aug. 13) and 6 a.m. on Wednesday.

Of the 27 People's Liberation Army (PLA) aircraft, 19 crossed the Taiwan Strait median line in the nation's northern, central, southwestern, and eastern air defense identification zone (ADIZ), according to the MND.
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Well, looky here!!!!
I'm guessing the Abraham Lincoln Carrier Strike Group had finished transisting the South China Sea.
So far this month, Taiwan has tracked PLA aircraft 260 times and Chinese ships 129 times.
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Here's another story of Taiwanese indiginous weapon systems in lieu of delivery of US weapons system already paid for. Also, I'm not stopping until I can spell "indiginous" correctly the first time!!!!!!

Taiwan developing underwater unmanned technology
TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   The Ministry of National Defense confirmed on Wednesday (Aug. 14) that a project to develop a remotely operated vehicle (ROV) is ongoing.

The defense ministry spokesperson Sun Li-fang (   ) said at a press conference the project is led by National Chung-Shan Institute of Science and Technology (NCSIST) and is part of a budget secured by Taiwan's academic community for innovative research and development, per CNA. Sun said the main goal is to develop critical foundational technologies that can be used for both military and civilian purposes, effectively expanding and utilizing Taiwan's maritime resources. The MND and NCSIST are supportive of the academic community's involvement in such research, he added.
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Navy Chief of Staff Chiu Chun-jung (   ) said that unmanned aerial, surface, and underwater vehicles are all force multipliers for future combat capabilities. The Navy closely monitors trends in networked warfare, from intelligence and surveillance, to strike capabilities, Chiu added.

The chief of staff said the Navy plans to develop unmanned systems, including surface and underwater platforms but is not at the stage where it can provide detailed information to the public.

The news comes after Taiwan recently announced a 6% increase to its defense budget for 2025. A new high of NT$647 billion (US$19.80 billion) out of a total budget of NT$3.13 trillion has been approved for next year, per the Presidential Office.

The large boost to defense will allow Taiwan to continue developing indigenous weapons and purchase arms from the US.  
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Link Posted: 8/14/2024 11:31:19 AM EDT
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This one is for you, Lieh-Tzu!!
Former US official calls for more US naval passages through Taiwan Strait
TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   The US should ramp up naval passages in the Taiwan Strait, Joseph Bosco, former China director for the US Secretary of Defense, said in an opinion article published in The Hill on Tuesday (Aug. 13).
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To counter China's expanding military activities in the strait, the US should "incrementally increase the number and size of ships in the transits until they reach the full complement of a naval battle group," Bosco said. The US Navy conducts freedom of navigation operations using smaller ships.

The former official suggested that US President Joe Biden may be changing tack on America's strategic ambiguity towards intervening in a cross-strait conflict. However, this has not dissuaded Beijing from escalating regional tensions, Bosco said, adding, Biden has a few months left to remove any ambiguity in the US' policy on Taiwan.
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China implemented an anti-access/area denial strategy by building an arsenal of anti-ship ballistic missiles and fleet of attack submarines, Bosco said. "Xi Jinping must be made to understand the consequences of fresh aggression in the Indo-Pacific," he said.
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In Biden's phone call with Xi in April, the US president reiterated the importance of maintaining peace and stability in the Taiwan Strait and emphasized the rule of law and freedom of navigation in the South China Sea. In an interview with Time Magazine in May, Biden said he was "not ruling out using US military force" in the event of a Taiwan conflict.
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Well, that seems to me to be a softening of Pres. Biden's earlier position of definitely using US military force in the event of a Taiwan conflict:
Joe Biden again says US forces would defend Taiwan from Chinese attack
Link Posted: 8/14/2024 11:33:49 AM EDT
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This just popped up, and I expect Carmel is being diabolical chasing it down:
Scholars say Taiwan-Japan relations unlikely to change after Kishida resignation

We'll wait for quotes when we get the "big picture," but for now, this is at least out-of-the-blue for me.
Link Posted: 8/14/2024 11:41:05 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By zoinks:
That's really interesting!!! Thanks for sharing!  (Today it's Green King Ale on tap!)
So, the big question is "what's the nexus between the 'terror watch list' and purchasing through the Defense Travel System?"

At first blush, what could there be?
There's only been Federal Gov't Policy as published through the various Dept. of Homeland Security's handbooks over the years, but as far as I understand, only veterans are considered to be potential domestic terrorists. I know it was removed, partially, during Trump's time, but came back with Biden, but that doesn't answer why it happened to you.

Has everything turned into the DMV? I want to believe it's all due to incompetence, but over the years, there have been a couple of sitting Congressmen who've ended up on a "No Fly List." There never seems to be an answer, at least a public answer.

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Just speculating, but I believe the elements of the Gov believe some members of the military may be a threat to security because of numerous indicators purchasing guns, registering to vote certain ways, membership it some web boards, etc.

I know the Gov has been hovering up mass amount of data from throughout the web for years.  It’s  not be beyond realm of possible that they they have applying AI to ID people through corralation  that the contemporary gov thinks may be threat.  
Link Posted: 8/14/2024 2:54:35 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/14/2024 3:20:09 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By zoinks:
This just popped up, and I expect Carmel is being diabolical chasing it down:
Scholars say Taiwan-Japan relations unlikely to change after Kishida resignation

We'll wait for quotes when we get the "big picture," but for now, this is at least out-of-the-blue for me.
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I tried warning about this 2 years ago as the wildcard but GD gonna GD anyway, we’re leaning on Allie’s that have their own problems https://www.voanews.com/amp/kishida-reshaped-japan-s-foreign-policy-but-couldn-t-survive-domestic-woes-/7742199.html
Link Posted: 8/14/2024 7:21:36 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By zoinks:
Gentlemen...Thank you for your posts!!

Taiwan News hasn't posted the flight tracker yet, so I'm going to take this time to explain the purpose of this thread.

I had a thesis a few years back. It was in two parts. Part 1 was that with the election of Obama and his "call", and the DNC's call as well, to end Pax Americana (not through words, but action), literally, by the end of 2010 the WORLD had already started creating the same social and political pressures that existed before WWI. That was really as if "on cue."

"Benghazi", actually Libya, was a test case of the overall plan or system being developed to see how well and how much little effort the Socialist Democracies could affect other countries with the political tools developed by the capitalists.

The thesis expanded, and part 2 was that WWIII started with the Obama Admin running a color revolution in Ukraine 2014 and the subsequent reaction of the Russians taking over the Crimea and the Eastern territories of the Ukraine. Obama Admin did absolutely nothing. Many arsonists dial 911 because it's just not the fire they want to see, its the fire trucks and the crews as well, but not so with the Obama Admin.

When Ukrainian wheat didn't get distributed throughout the Middle East as it normally does due to the color revolution and subsequent Russian invasion and take over,  prices went up due to lack of supply and when government price controls failed, as they normally do, the Obama Admin was only too happy to help promote both the "Arab Spring" and the Muslim Brotherhood not even caring that these same countries were nominally allied to the US. Lots of people killed, and I mean lots. However, when these same forces started a rebellion in Iran, the Obama Admin did all it could to ignore and deflect what was happening there.

Skipping ahead, mostly because the election of Trump was never supposed to happen, the Biden Admin is a continuation of the same overall arc of politics.

Afghanistan. One word describes it all. Announcements and video news stories were published and promulgated while actions producing the opposite were taken.

And that's why I started this thread!! The annoucement of a DNC controlled government taking a hard stance all the while having no intention of even doing anything was too good not to start a thread about!!

With the CCP and all communists for that matter including the DNC, a hospital ship is not a hosptial ship, it's an intelligence gathering platform. A civil police unit is not a civil police unit. It's a para-military unit enforcing party diktat. These things have always been known, but the Biden Admin chose to ignore it all to its political benefit in achieving whatever political goals it has been working towards.

(Still no flight tracker!!)
When we first started this thread (I'm including the help of CarmelbytheSea) anyone can see that at the beginning the posts were quite infrequent. It could take weeks to get 50 posts for a new page. Now we're doing 50 posts in a matter of days. But always about the same things.

This means things are moving really quickly compared 2022, and that's not good. Well, it's okay for me, I'm old! Nobody in my former career field has made it to 70 years old, so I'm not worried about shit. Just wondering about the amount of suffering before I die.

The posts you guys did today have a theme running through them because now things are becoming noticeable/visible. Those people that are running around saying "war is not inevitable" are the ones that made war inevitable.

Damn, still no flight tracker!!! enough stalling. Let's get to what we got today!! LOL



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Thank you for this post and sharing.  I agree with you 100%. You and a few others here are seeing the big picture.

The R.O.C. Ministry of National Defense posts the flight tracker on X before Taiwan news reports it, usually by several hours.
Link Posted: 8/15/2024 1:43:19 AM EDT
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Thank you for this post and sharing.  I agree with you 100%. You and a few others here are seeing the big picture.

The R.O.C. Ministry of National Defense posts the flight tracker on X before Taiwan news reports it, usually by several hours.
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Originally Posted By GoldenMead:
Originally Posted By zoinks:
Gentlemen...Thank you for your posts!!

Taiwan News hasn't posted the flight tracker yet, so I'm going to take this time to explain the purpose of this thread.

I had a thesis a few years back. It was in two parts. Part 1 was that with the election of Obama and his "call", and the DNC's call as well, to end Pax Americana (not through words, but action), literally, by the end of 2010 the WORLD had already started creating the same social and political pressures that existed before WWI. That was really as if "on cue."

"Benghazi", actually Libya, was a test case of the overall plan or system being developed to see how well and how much little effort the Socialist Democracies could affect other countries with the political tools developed by the capitalists.

The thesis expanded, and part 2 was that WWIII started with the Obama Admin running a color revolution in Ukraine 2014 and the subsequent reaction of the Russians taking over the Crimea and the Eastern territories of the Ukraine. Obama Admin did absolutely nothing. Many arsonists dial 911 because it's just not the fire they want to see, its the fire trucks and the crews as well, but not so with the Obama Admin.

When Ukrainian wheat didn't get distributed throughout the Middle East as it normally does due to the color revolution and subsequent Russian invasion and take over,  prices went up due to lack of supply and when government price controls failed, as they normally do, the Obama Admin was only too happy to help promote both the "Arab Spring" and the Muslim Brotherhood not even caring that these same countries were nominally allied to the US. Lots of people killed, and I mean lots. However, when these same forces started a rebellion in Iran, the Obama Admin did all it could to ignore and deflect what was happening there.

Skipping ahead, mostly because the election of Trump was never supposed to happen, the Biden Admin is a continuation of the same overall arc of politics.

Afghanistan. One word describes it all. Announcements and video news stories were published and promulgated while actions producing the opposite were taken.

And that's why I started this thread!! The annoucement of a DNC controlled government taking a hard stance all the while having no intention of even doing anything was too good not to start a thread about!!

With the CCP and all communists for that matter including the DNC, a hospital ship is not a hosptial ship, it's an intelligence gathering platform. A civil police unit is not a civil police unit. It's a para-military unit enforcing party diktat. These things have always been known, but the Biden Admin chose to ignore it all to its political benefit in achieving whatever political goals it has been working towards.

(Still no flight tracker!!)
When we first started this thread (I'm including the help of CarmelbytheSea) anyone can see that at the beginning the posts were quite infrequent. It could take weeks to get 50 posts for a new page. Now we're doing 50 posts in a matter of days. But always about the same things.

This means things are moving really quickly compared 2022, and that's not good. Well, it's okay for me, I'm old! Nobody in my former career field has made it to 70 years old, so I'm not worried about shit. Just wondering about the amount of suffering before I die.

The posts you guys did today have a theme running through them because now things are becoming noticeable/visible. Those people that are running around saying "war is not inevitable" are the ones that made war inevitable.

Damn, still no flight tracker!!! enough stalling. Let's get to what we got today!! LOL





Thank you for this post and sharing.  I agree with you 100%. You and a few others here are seeing the big picture.

The R.O.C. Ministry of National Defense posts the flight tracker on X before Taiwan news reports it, usually by several hours.
Thanks!!! I didn't know about 'X', but the Taiwanese MND has an English version of their website: PLA activities in the waters and airspace around Taiwan
But, alas, no pretty picture!!! It's a must have!

Score Card!!!
Taiwan tracks 11 Chinese naval vessels, 6 military aircraft
TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   The Ministry of National Defense (MND) tracked 11 Chinese naval vessels and six military aircraft around Taiwan between 6 a.m. on Wednesday (Aug. 14) and 6 a.m. on Thursday.

The six People's Liberation Army (PLA) aircraft crossed the Taiwan Strait median line in the country's central and southwestern air defense identification zone (ADIZ), according to the MND.
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So far this month, Taiwan has tracked PLA aircraft 266 times and Chinese ships 140 times.
Tomorrow is the half way point of the month. This looks like it's over 500 aircraft for the month. Previous month was a tad over 600 aircraft, and that was with 2 to 3 non-flying days due to the Typhon. Really wish we had a way to get aircraft markings, so we can start seeing a pattern either the same aircraft or perhaps rotating aircraft etc. I'd like to know about engine life. In the 20-teens, the PLAAF could get about 10 to 20 hours flight time out of them. These days, don't know! Everybody seems to be wanting to build jet engines in China for some reason.


We have an update on the story about the former PLA Officer who entered Taiwan by way of a performance boat, got caught, and wants to 'defect.'
Chinese man who illegally entered Taiwan by motorboat denied bail
TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   A Chinese man who illegally entered Taiwan at the Tamsui River will remain in detention after a court decided he was a flight risk on Wednesday (Aug. 14).

In a hearing at the Shilin District Court, the 60-year-old man surnamed Juan ( ) confessed to entering Taiwan on June 8 aboard a small motorboat in violation of immigration laws, per CNA. Juan said he had served in the Chinese military, while it was previously reported that he was a member of the Chinese Navy.

Juan said he illegally entered Taiwan because he was dissatisfied with the Chinese Communist Party and that he hoped he could stay in Taiwan to help fight against the military threat it posed. He said he had no connections or property in Taiwan and had never visited.

Juan's lawyer asked the judge to consider his client's attitude when deciding whether or not to grant bail and asked that visitation rights be reinstated. The judge denied the bail request and ordered Juan remain detained without visitation rights on the basis that he has been charged with a serious offense and presents a flight risk.

The illegal entry into Taiwan prompted the Coast Guard and the defense ministry to increase patrols and security around the Tamsui River, which is considered a strategic entry into Taipei. In the days after the incident, Defense Minister Wellington Koo (   ) said the entry might have been an attempt by Chinese authorities to probe Taiwan's defenses.
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This tough ol' bastard ain't interested in defecting to no one! He screwed up his entry. That boat and the ship that helped him navigate Taiwanese waters was the give-away.
Link Posted: 8/15/2024 1:49:29 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea:

I tried warning about this 2 years ago as the wildcard but GD gonna GD anyway, we're leaning on Allie's that have their own problems https://www.voanews.com/amp/kishida-reshaped-japan-s-foreign-policy-but-couldn-t-survive-domestic-woes-/7742199.html
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Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea:
Originally Posted By zoinks:
This just popped up, and I expect Carmel is being diabolical chasing it down:
Scholars say Taiwan-Japan relations unlikely to change after Kishida resignation

We'll wait for quotes when we get the "big picture," but for now, this is at least out-of-the-blue for me.

I tried warning about this 2 years ago as the wildcard but GD gonna GD anyway, we're leaning on Allie's that have their own problems https://www.voanews.com/amp/kishida-reshaped-japan-s-foreign-policy-but-couldn-t-survive-domestic-woes-/7742199.html
Yours is a better one that I found. Most of them were pretty bad. It's seems as if only leftist media is interested in the story:
'Pulling a Joe Biden': Reactions to Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida's resignation

This story was the least sensationalistic. Here's the "Joe Biden" part:
One expert said the move was reminiscent of U.S. President Joe Biden dropping out of the presidential race less than a month ago.

"To me this is Kishida 'pulling a Joe Biden' and realizing (wisely) he's just not the best face for his party come election time," said William Pesek, author of "Japanization: What the World Can Learn from Japan's Lost Decades."

While Biden withdrew in the wake of a disastrous debate performance, Kishida's tenure was hounded by a scandal embroiling his party as well as an economy prone to deflationary pressure.
At some point we just have to be honest here. It seems Japanese politics produces corrupt policians that make Arkansas governors  seem like angels in comparison.
Link Posted: 8/15/2024 1:53:18 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By zoinks:
Yours is a better one that I found. Most of them were pretty bad. It's seems as if only leftist media is interested in the story:
'Pulling a Joe Biden': Reactions to Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida's resignation

This story was the least sensationalistic. Here's the "Joe Biden" part:
At some point we just have to be honest here. It seems Japanese politics produces corrupt policians that make Arkansas governors  seem like angels in comparison.
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I remember several films back in the 80s and 90s based around Japanese corruption

I hate to say it but East Asia like many places has a long track record for corruption
Link Posted: 8/15/2024 1:54:14 AM EDT
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Everyone remember Rising Sun?

Rising Sun 1993 Trailer HD | Sean Connery | Wesley Snipes
Link Posted: 8/15/2024 1:57:22 AM EDT
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I did the math! This is a little over $51.2 million per train set for 30 years. I guess Malaysia want be owning its own tracks around the 20 year mark.
Link Posted: 8/15/2024 2:01:57 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By zoinks:
I did the math! This is a little over $51.2 million per train set for 30 years. I guess Malaysia want be owning its own tracks around the 20 year mark.
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Malaysia amd much of ASEAN are afraid of China so that’s why China keeps pumping  ASEAN as the mechanism for East Asia to resolve disputes. ASEAN didn’t do shit about Burma an example of what China likes ASEAN doing - nothing

China will pump racist NATO and USA are intruding into “yellow man” affairs as outsiders and they will refer to Boxer rebellion Japanese/Westerners victimizing China which is why China pushed so hard to win over South Korea as it doesn’t fit their narrative
Link Posted: 8/15/2024 2:03:07 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By R0N:

Just speculating, but I believe the elements of the Gov believe some members of the military may be a threat to security because of numerous indicators purchasing guns, registering to vote certain ways, membership it some web boards, etc.

I know the Gov has been hovering up mass amount of data from throughout the web for years.  It's  not be beyond realm of possible that they they have applying AI to ID people through corralation  that the contemporary gov thinks may be threat.  
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Originally Posted By zoinks:
That's really interesting!!! Thanks for sharing!  (Today it's Green King Ale on tap!)
So, the big question is "what's the nexus between the 'terror watch list' and purchasing through the Defense Travel System?"

At first blush, what could there be?
There's only been Federal Gov't Policy as published through the various Dept. of Homeland Security's handbooks over the years, but as far as I understand, only veterans are considered to be potential domestic terrorists. I know it was removed, partially, during Trump's time, but came back with Biden, but that doesn't answer why it happened to you.

Has everything turned into the DMV? I want to believe it's all due to incompetence, but over the years, there have been a couple of sitting Congressmen who've ended up on a "No Fly List." There never seems to be an answer, at least a public answer.


Just speculating, but I believe the elements of the Gov believe some members of the military may be a threat to security because of numerous indicators purchasing guns, registering to vote certain ways, membership it some web boards, etc.

I know the Gov has been hovering up mass amount of data from throughout the web for years.  It's  not be beyond realm of possible that they they have applying AI to ID people through corralation  that the contemporary gov thinks may be threat.  
You are not incorrect.
Have another Green King!!  
Link Posted: 8/15/2024 2:06:28 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea:

Malaysia amd much of ASEAN are afraid of China so that's why China keeps pumping  ASEAN as the mechanism for East Asia to resolve disputes. ASEAN didn't do shit about Burma an example of what China likes ASEAN doing - nothing

China will pump racist NATO and USA are intruding into "yellow man" affairs as outsiders and they will refer to Boxer rebellion Japanese/Westerners victimizing China which is why China pushed so hard to win over South Korea as it doesn't fit their narrative
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Originally Posted By zoinks:
I did the math! This is a little over $51.2 million per train set for 30 years. I guess Malaysia want be owning its own tracks around the 20 year mark.

Malaysia amd much of ASEAN are afraid of China so that's why China keeps pumping  ASEAN as the mechanism for East Asia to resolve disputes. ASEAN didn't do shit about Burma an example of what China likes ASEAN doing - nothing

China will pump racist NATO and USA are intruding into "yellow man" affairs as outsiders and they will refer to Boxer rebellion Japanese/Westerners victimizing China which is why China pushed so hard to win over South Korea as it doesn't fit their narrative
You've always been one of my favorite foreign devils!!! Have a Green King!
Haven't decided what's to be served tomorrow, but it won't be Bud Light!
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When your enemy tells you he wants to kill you, perhaps you should believe him.
Title:
China's rhetoric turns dangerously real for Taiwanese

Calls to denounce "die hard" Taiwanese secessionists, a tipline to report them and punishments that could include the death penalty for "ringleaders"   Beijing's familiar rhetoric against Taiwan is turning dangerously real.

The democratically-governed island has grown used to China's claims. Even the planes and ships that test its defences have become a routine provocation. But the recent moves to criminalise support for it are unnerving Taiwanese who live and work in China, and those back home.

"I am currently planning to speed up my departure," a Taiwanese businesswoman based in China said   this was soon after the Supreme Court ushered in changes allowing life imprisonment and even the death penalty for those guilty of advocating for Taiwanese independence.

"I don't think that is making a mountain out of a molehill. The line is now very unclear," says Prof Yu Jie, a legal scholar at Taiwan's Academia Sinica.

China's Taiwan Affairs Office was quick to assure the 23 million Taiwanese that this is not targeted at them, but at an "extremely small number of hard-line independence activists". The "vast majority of Taiwanese compatriots have nothing to fear," the office said.

But wary Taiwanese say they don't want to test that claim. The BBC has spoken to several Taiwanese who live and work in China who said they were either planning to leave soon or had already left. Few were willing to be interviewed on record; none wanted to be named.

"Any statement you make now could be misinterpreted and you could be reported. Even before this new law China was already encouraging people to report on others," the businesswoman said.

That was made official last week when Chinese authorities launched a website identifying Taiwanese public figures deemed "die hard" separatists. The site included an email address where people could send "clues and crimes" about those who had been named, or anyone else they suspected.

The next part has a "mind-blowing" quote of the belief system of Chinese scholars!:
Scholars believe Beijing hopes to emulate the success of Hong Kong's national security laws, which it said were necessary for stability - but they have crushed the city's pro-democracy movement as former lawmakers, activists and ordinary citizens critical of the government have been jailed under them.
Hong Kong does not have the GDP it had. There was COVID, so let me rephrase that Hong Kong is back to pre-COVID GDP, but with a lot of government debt that needs to be serviced now. Hong Kong never really had debt issues before. Also, they're using the basic Chinese bull shit system of estimating GDP these days.

By making pro-Taiwanese sentiments a matter of national security, Beijing hopes to "cut off the movement's ties with outside world and to divide society in Taiwan between those who support Taiwan independence and those who do not", says Prof Chen, a legal scholar at Taiwan's Academia Sinica.

She says the guidance from the Supreme Court will almost certainly result in prosecutions of some Taiwanese living in China.

"This opinion has been sent to all levels of law enforcement nationwide. So this is a way of saying to them   we want to see more cases like this being prosecuted, so go and find one."
I'm not missing the irony of the BBC, a state run entity, being critical of another authortarian government. What's the difference between the PRC and Great Britain inventing "hate speech" charges for foreigners?? Whoops!! Just made the list!!!!!

Taiwan, which has powerful allies in the US, the EU and Japan, rejects Beijing's plans for "reunification"   but fears have been growing that China's Xi Jinping has sped up the timeline to take the island, an avowed goal of the Chinese Communist Party.

For more than 30 years Taiwanese companies - iPhone-maker Foxconn, advanced chips giant TSMC and electronics behemoth Acer   have played a key role in China's growth. The prosperity also brought Taiwanese from across the strait who were in search of jobs and brighter prospects.

By the end of that decade   in 2009 - more than 400,000 Taiwanese lived in China. By 2022, that number had plummeted to 177,000, according to official figures from Taiwan.

"China had changed," says Ms Chu, who left Shanghai in 2019. She now works for a medical company in Taipei and has no plans to return.

"I am Taiwanese," she explains. "It's no longer safe for us there."

The Taiwanese exodus has been driven by the same things that have pushed huge numbers of foreigners to leave China   a sluggish economy, growing hostility between Beijing and Washington and, most of all, the sudden and sweeping lockdowns during the Covid pandemic.

But Taiwanese in China have also been worried because the government doesn't see them as "foreigners", which makes them especially vulnerable to state repression.
There's the difference between the PRC and Great Britain.


Senior Taiwanese officials have told the BBC that 15 Taiwanese nationals are currently being held in China for various alleged crimes, "including violations of the anti-secession law".

In 2019, China jailed a Taiwanese businessman for espionage after he was caught taking photos of police officers in Shenzen   a charge he denied. He was only released last year. In April 2023, China confirmed that it had arrested a Taiwan-based publisher for "endangering national security". He still remains in custody.

Amy Hsu*, who once lived and worked in China, says she is now scared to even visit because of her job. After returning to Taiwan, she began volunteering at an NGO which helped people who had fled Hong Kong to settle in Taiwan.

"It is definitely more dangerous for me now," she says. "In 2018, they began using surveillance cameras to fine people for jaywalking and the system could identify your face and send the fine directly to your address."

She says the extent of surveillance disturbed her   and she worries it can be used to go after even visitors, especially those on a list of potential offenders.
And now we're right back to not being able to tell the difference between the PRC and Great Britain.

Now we have a very nice "wrap-up" by a very rich and very smart guy:
"Oh I am definitely on the list. I am a hardline pro-independence [guy] with lots of ideas," chuckles Robert Tsao, a 77-year-old tech billionaire, who founded one of Taiwan's largest chip-makers, United Micro-electronics Corporation (UMC).

Mr Tsao was born in Beijing, but today he supports Taiwan independence and avoids not just China, but also Hong Kong, Macau, Thailand and even Singapore.

Mr Tsao was not always hostile to China. He was one of the first Taiwanese investors to set up advanced chip-making factories in China. But he says the crackdown in Hong Kong changed his mind: "It was so free and vibrant and now it's gone. And they want to do the same to us here."

"This new ruling is actually helping people like me," he says. He believes it will backfire, increasing the resolve of Taiwanese people to resist China.

"They say the new law will only affect a few hard-line independence supporters like me, but so many Taiwanese people either support independence or the status quo [keep things as they are], which is the same thing, so we have all become criminals."

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Taiwan tracks 13 Chinese military aircraft, 10 naval ships
TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   The Ministry of National Defense (MND) tracked 13 Chinese military aircraft and 10 naval vessels around Taiwan between 6 a.m. on Thursday (Aug. 15) and 6 a.m. on Friday.

Of the 13 People's Liberation Army (PLA) aircraft, 11 crossed the Taiwan Strait median line in the country's northern, central, southwestern, and eastern air defense identification zone (ADIZ), according to the MND.
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Tomorrow will be the half way point! It's looking like they'll be hitting in the low to mid 290s unless they get ambitious!

Here's a story I've been waiting for a long time!
Foreign minister urges security dialogue mechanism between Taiwan and Japan

TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   Foreign Minister Lin Chia-lung (   ) called for closer security cooperation between Taiwan and Japan during a luncheon with a Japanese parliament delegation on Wednesday (Aug. 14).

The minister suggested that Taiwan and Japan establish a security dialogue mechanism to facilitate discussions on responding to emergencies in the future, per the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Both nations feel a strong sense of closeness with each other and face the external threat of authoritarian expansion, he said.  

Lin highlighted the geographical proximity between the two countries and the shared universal values of democracy and freedom.

Lin thanked the Japanese government for stressing the importance of peace and stability in the Taiwan Strait and raising awareness of the security situation in the region. Lin also hoped Japan would begin informal consultations with Taiwan to help facilitate its early accession in the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership.
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The PRC will not be able to simply only "attack" Taiwan without hitting the Japanese as well. Okinawa and all those little Japanese Islands, say so. PLAN ships will have to be sent to Japanese Territorial waters to act as "picket ships", but they'll also need to get EW and Radar ships out there as well which will also need to be protected.

Japanese Representative Ishiba Shigeru, the leader of the visiting delegation, said his exchanges with political leaders during this trip to Taiwan have been highly beneficial. Ishiba wished for a dialogue mechanism to continue bilateral exchanges in the future.

He also said Taiwan and Japan should join other democracies to strengthen deterrence and safeguard peace and security in East Asia and the Taiwan Strait.

In his meeting with President Lai Ching-te (   ) on Tuesday (Aug. 13), Ishiba said his delegation included parliamentarians "who have long taken a keen interest in security and diplomacy." Several members have defense-related roles, he said.

The lawmaker said in Japan there is a saying, "Today's Ukraine might become tomorrow's East Asia," and there is an urgent desire to prevent this.
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Now, I wish I could remember what I did with the article about "Taiwanese Comfort Women" protesting or actually, people protesting on their behalf. It was more a MSS thing in any event.

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The Chinese Invasion Has Already Begun
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Brother Carmel has left us a real "beaut" of an article for Propaganda Friday, and the not-so-big surprise is it's published by the Voice of America.

The article is in three parts. The opener is definitely the shallow end while the meat of it all is in parts 2 and 3. I'm not sure why VOA would copy USA Today when the most important things that you would think the US Gov't would want readers to know is in parts 2 and 3. Mystery! I'm not equating anything nefarious to it, but most people just read the opening paragraphs and call themselves "informed." This is known.* Moving on! Here's the opener:
Jakarta's exercises with Beijing signal nonalignment stance in US-China rivalry
washington  

As Indonesia gears up to participate in U.S.-led joint military exercises this month, it agreed at a meeting this week to hold military training with China, a move analysts say points to Indonesia's nonalignment stance regarding the U.S.-China rivalry.

The Indonesian military is preparing to host Super Garuda Shield exercises led by the U.S. with participation by dozens of countries, including Japan, Australia, South Korea, Germany, Singapore and Malaysia. The annual drills will be held in the Indonesian provinces of East Java, West Java and South Sumatra from August 26 to September 5.

In the meantime, senior Indonesian and Chinese officials agreed to hold joint military training and reaffirmed their commitment to boost regional security, among other things, at a meeting Tuesday in Jakarta, according to a statement by the Indonesian Foreign Ministry.
That's the opening and everyone is now better served with this information.

For those that stay and read, though, things get interesting and fast!
It was the first senior officials' meeting of a joint foreign-defense ministerial dialogue that will be elevated to a ministerial-level meeting during a new Indonesian administration next year. President-elect Prabowo Subianto will begin his term in October.

The two countries agreed to launch a new dialogue when outgoing President Joko Widodo met with Chinese President Xi Jinping in October in Beijing.

"If it takes place next year, the bilateral exercises with the Chinese will reflect Indonesia's pursuit of showcasing its neutrality" based on "bebas and aktif," or "free and active" foreign policy aimed at making it "difficult for any major power to pull Indonesia into its sphere of influence," said Abdul Rahman Yaacob, a research fellow in the Southeast Asia Program at the Lowy Institute.

That part in red!! Funny Stuff!!!!

WWII and Swiss Neutrality: The Swiss never conducted joint military exercises with the 3rd Reich, nor with the Allies. In fact, they shot down some Luftwaffe aircraft and still maintained Neutrality. The statement in red is obviously the result of smoking way too much mota. Indonesia is playing both sides in favor of one side over the other, or they're thinking they're smarter than what they are.

The part in blue occurs when one has the ability to blow smoke up one's own ass, and this is "post-graduate level" smoke blowing. What does Indonesia have to offer the "major powers" it believes it has the "brains" to handle???

Well, there's an abundance of low-skill manufacturing that competes with China and Vietnam. Then there's the World's largest muslim population within a single country that the Indonesian government bounces between placating and oppressing in order to pretend there's societal stability. Plus, we have an island archipelago that works as a choke point between the Indian Ocean and the Southern Pacific. I can only wonder which of these the "major powers" would be interested in.

We've already learned one thing about Indonesia when I made the "without hard evidence" claim that the PRC was behind the Piracy at the Straight of Malaca and that area of the Ocean, and that it didn't stop until the Indian Navy started patrolling the Waters. The Indonesians "were patrolling" before. PRC piracy could only occur with Indonesian complicity.

Part 3, and we know it's Part 3 because the first word is "However":
However, if the exercises with China focus on combat operations and interoperability rather than nontraditional security areas such as piracy and counterterrorism and are conducted in the contested South China Sea, it "will raise red flags for the U.S. and its allies," Yaacob said.

"Indonesia under Prabowo will have to balance many factors when planning exercises with the Chinese, as potential repercussions could be high." The U.S. and its allies, including South Korea, France and Japan, could reconsider a decision to supply the Indonesians with advanced weapons systems, he added.

Indonesia, like other Southeast Asian countries, has been conducting joint drills with both the U.S. and China.

Last year, China sent a naval destroyer and frigate to participate at the invitation of Jakarta in a multilateral naval exercise aimed at fostering cooperation on humanitarian operations and disaster management.

The U.S. Navy, which also participated, described the drills as allowing "exchanges that support multilateral cooperation."
Here's a description of the exercise written by China Military Online:
Chinese naval ships returns from 2023 multilateral naval exercise Komodo
ZHANJIANG, June 15 -- After a total voyage of more than 3,090 nautical miles within 15 days, the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) Navy's destroyer Zhanjiang and frigate Xuchang wrapped up the mission of the 2023 Multilateral Naval Exercise Komodo (MNEK) in Indonesia and returned to a military port in Zhanjiang, China's Guangdong Province, on the morning of June 14.

From June 5 to 8, the destroyer Zhanjiang and frigate Xuchang participated in the joint maritime exercise with more than 40 ships from Indonesia, the US, Russia, Singapore, Pakistan and other countries.

During the exercise, the Chinese naval troops took part in the International Fleet Review, civil engineering program, civil medical service, cultural exchanges, navy band show, among other activities, and completed live military drills during the maritime operations stage with multinational naval ships, which enhanced their capacity to respond to natural disasters, maritime threats and humanitarian aid.

After completing the exercise, the two Chinese naval ships also conducted narrow channel navigation and multi-scenario combat drills on the way back, which effectively tested the task-fulfilling capabilities of the troops.
Such an exercise is the excuse to "meet" people from the other militaries but get information. From the PLAN perspective, the real value for the crews on the ships is the part in blue. Humanitarian Aid? The Chinese?? Send one of their 12 Naval Hospital ships for an exercise?? Naw!!! They didn't even show up for the Tsunami back in 2004.

Indonesia's defense cooperation with China is considered underdeveloped, mainly focusing on low-level exercises. But recently, Jakarta expressed its desire to hold more military exercises with China, in addition to ASEAN member states and the U.S.
And this begs the question "why?" It's rather out of the blue or green actually as I highlighted in an above quote:
The two countries agreed to launch a new dialogue when outgoing President Joko Widodo met with Chinese President Xi Jinping in October in Beijing.

In an interview with Nikkei Asia in July, Indonesian Army Chief of Staff General Maruli Simanjuntak said the Indonesian army is preparing to conduct joint drills with China that could start next year.

"Indonesia, like most of its neighbors, both seeks pragmatic cooperation with and wants to hedge against the hegemonic ambitions of China," said Gregory Poling, senior fellow and director of the Southeast Asia Program and Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

"That also explains why Jakarta would be open to low-level military exercises with China even as it prioritizes its much more robust military relationship with traditional partners like the United States, Japan and Australia."
Acting as a conduit of useful information back to the PRC "also explains why Jakarta would be open to low-level military exercises with China even as it prioritizes its much more robust military relationship with traditional partners like the United States, Japan and Australia."

The U.S. Navy SEALs and the Indonesian navy's Frogman Forces Command held a joint training exercise in July. The drills have been taking place annually since their bilateral defense talks in 2022.

Andreyka Natalegawa, an associate fellow for the Southeast Asia Program at CSIS, said, "Despite the apparent   and nascent   deepening of Indonesia-China defense ties, the United States remains the primary partner of choice in defense cooperation with Indonesia."

He continued, "The depth, frequency and institutionalization of U.S. bilateral and multilateral exercises with Indonesia remains second to none, and it is highly unlikely that China will supplant the United States' role as Indonesia's primary defense partner of choice in the immediate future."

At their first U.S.-Indonesian senior officials' foreign policy and defense dialogue in October 2023 in Washington, the U.S. reaffirmed its commitment to support Indonesia's defense forces as the country's "largest military engagement partner."

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Sierradyne, Baby! Great video Post!!!  Today it's the real Amstel! Not the Amstel Light they use as their export version. The Real Stuff!!!!

The video in a little over 4 minutes describes the land version of the PRC's creating islands in other countries territorial waters. The last two minutes is also good, and worth remembering.
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UK and Europe ‘running out of weapons’ to help Taiwan if China invades

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk-europe-running-out-weapons-taiwan-china-invasion-3228835

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U.S. naval assets in the Middle East — new map

• ~30% of U.S. Navy fleet en route or in theater
• Guided-missile sub USS Georgia left Crete
• ABE CSG days away

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U.S. naval assets in the Middle East   new map

 ~30% of U.S. Navy fleet en route or in theater
 Guided-missile sub USS Georgia left Crete
 ABE CSG days away

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Great Job, GoldenMead!!!  It's Amstel on Tap today!!!!!!!!  

I tried to find one the other day. I could only find graphics with the Mediterranean. Now, I'm happy!!
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Great Job, GoldenMead!!!  It's Amstel on Tap today!!!!!!!!  

I tried to find one the other day. I could only find graphics with the Mediterranean. Now, I'm happy!!
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You were literally the first person I thought of when I seen it. I remembered you saying you were looking.
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UK and Europe 'running out of weapons' to help Taiwan if China invades

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk-europe-running-out-weapons-taiwan-china-invasion-3228835

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UK and Europe 'running out of weapons' to help Taiwan if China invades

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk-europe-running-out-weapons-taiwan-china-invasion-3228835

This story is written in an unexpected style. I looked up things. i is part of the Daily Mail Trust Group and there's a holding company called dmg.media that owns i.
I'm going to strip away all that fluff in there except for what I can't cut out inside a paragraph. The Story is important because this is about the third time this year that a European newspaper, even if only on line, has said, Europe is "done" because of the Ukraine War.

Title:
UK and Europe 'running out of weapons' to help Taiwan if China invades
Opening paragraphs describe Taiwan under military pressure from the PRC using "grey" tactics.
However, to ignore the threat completely would be "foolish", a senior European diplomat in the city told i, while offering a sobering assessment of how unprepared the West would be to deal with yet another conflict.

"Military-wise European nations do not have a role to play, they can't," the senior diplomatic source said. "We don't even have the capacities to supply our own militaries and support Ukraine. We have reached a production limit and that is not good."

The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) has been clear about its intentions while building the world's largest naval force. President Xi Jinping has repeatedly claimed that Taiwan and China would "surely be reunified" and is understood to have ordered his military to be ready to take the self-ruled island by 2027, according to warnings from US and UK intelligence agencies.

The UK and European countries have a strong interest in helping maintain peace in the Taiwan Strait, due to Taiwan's economic and geopolitical benefits, but wars raging in Ukraine and the Middle East have taken priority for Western nations.

Five diplomatic and military sources, who are currently assessing tensions in Taiwan, told i that the war in Ukraine has sucked so much resource and attention from Europe that it cannot militarily support another conflict in its current state.

Meanwhile, a senior military source assessing the UK's capacity to assist in the event of another conflict said the country would currently be unable to fund and support a new emerging war.

"Everything has been put into the Ukraine project," he told i. "We are running on a resource limit and there is no chance we can significantly help if tensions turned to conflict in Taiwan."

Chinese military action against Taiwan would be catastrophic for the global economy, not least because 92 per cent of the world's semi-conductors   an essential component of electronic devices used for computing, healthcare, and military systems   are manufactured there.

A halt to shipments to and from the island could cause the production of phones, laptops, cars, and pacemakers to screech to a halt. This could cost the world economy an estimated $10trn and dwarf the effects of both the Ukraine invasion and coronavirus.

"Technologically, the world is very dependent on Taiwanese chips and semiconductors," the Royal United Services Institute (Rusi) associate fellow Dr Sari Arho Havr n told i. "All this could, in return, embolden Russia in Europe, and not only would Europe suffer from production problems, but the world focus would turn into the Indo-Pacific, which creates vacuums that other hostile powers can take advantage of."

Dr Arho Havr n added that Taiwan was "critical" for the US's geopolitical standing in the region and a successful Chinese invasion would "entirely change the global governance".

She told i: "China's success would further contribute to making democracies weaker, fast-track China's leadership in critical technologies, including military ones, and eventually make China-led global order increasingly possible."

The UK and Europe's lack of military readiness to defend Taiwan's sovereignty has lead to frustration from both Taiwanese and American officials, i has learned.

Two US intelligence sources and a European diplomat based on the island claimed that conversations are ongoing about how else the UK and European powers can help build up Taiwan's resilience to the Chinese threat.

"There is a lot of frustration among US diplomats, military, and intelligence right now," a US intelligence source told i.

"We have helped fund a battle to protect Europe at high political and economic cost, and now we need that favour returned."

Ukraine has become far and away the top recipient of US foreign aid, receiving $175bn since Russia's full-scale invasion in February 2022. If tensions were to escalate in Taiwan, the US would have a duty to step in and defend the island's sovereignty under the terms of an arms agreement between the two countries.

As well as a possible conflict with China, the US would have its commitment to defence agreements with other countries in the region   including Japan, South Korea and the Philippines   tested.

Speaking at the annual summit of the Inter-Parliamentary Alliance on China (IPAC) in July, Taiwan's President Lai Ching-te warned that "a threat by China to any country is a threat to the whole world" and offered Taiwan's "full strength" to support international partners to "avert the threats of expanding authoritarianism."

While introducing President Lai to the stage, Labour MP Sarah Champion criticised UK political parties "of all colours" for "not doing enough to deal with tensions in the Taiwan strait."

"A spotlight needs to be continually shone on China's aggression towards Taiwan," Ms Champion told i. "We need to raise our solidarity with Taiwan when negotiating trade deals, cultural exchanges and at international forums to make very clear their aggressive behaviour is not acceptable."

Taiwan's government has actively been calling on international partners, such as the UK, to help in calling out China's aggression and sending military aid to the embattled island, according to two diplomatic sources in Taipei.

Taiwan minister Yan Fan told i that the international community must make it clear to Beijing that it would "not leave Taiwan alone" to fight for its sovereignty.
Last part of the article is about how the UK can help Taiwan. It's similar to when in Seattle a few years back, and they all reimagined policing. Very similar with very similar results.

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Taiwan tracks 13 Chinese military aircraft, 7 naval ships
TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   The Ministry of National Defense (MND) tracked 13 Chinese military aircraft and seven naval vessels around Taiwan between 6 a.m. on Friday (Aug. 16) and 6 a.m. on Saturday.

Of the 13 People's Liberation Army (PLA) aircraft, 12 crossed the Taiwan Strait median line in the country's northern, southwestern, and eastern air defense identification zone (ADIZ), according to the MND.
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By now the Abraham Lincoln's aircraft are out of range, so maybe tomorrow we'll see more PLAAF aircraft. I can hardly wait to find out!!!!!
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Seen this on X.  Does a good job comparing what China would gain if they successfully take Taiwan and what we would lose.
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Gen. Mike Minihan the Commander of the Airforce AIR MOBILITY COMMAND wrote this Memo last year to his Airmen saying he believed we would possibly fight China in 2025.
I believe the MEMO is just as relevant today as it was when he wrote it.  So I’ll share it below for whoever hasn’t read it.

DEPARTMENT OF THE AIR FORCE
HEADQUARTERS AIR MOBILITY COMMAND

MEMORANDUM FOR 18 AF/CC, EC/CC, 22 AF/CC, 4 AF/CC, 618 AOC/CC, ALL AMC WING COMMANDERS

FROM: AMC/CC

1 February 2023

SUBJECT: February 2023 Orders in Preparation for — The Next Fight

SITUATION. I hope I am wrong. My gut tells me we will fight in 2025. [Chinese President Xi Jinping] secured his third term and set his war council in October 2022. Taiwan’s presidential elections are in 2024 and will offer Xi a reason. United States’ presidential elections are in 2024 and will offer Xi a distracted America. Xi’s team, reason, and opportunity are all aligned for 2025. We spent 2022 setting the foundation for victory. We will spend 2023 in crisp operational motion building on that foundation. If you want to know what the operational motion I demand looks like, look at what Total Force Team Charleston did in January.
COMMANDER’S INTENT. Go faster. Drive readiness, integration, and agility for ourselves and the Joint Force to deter, and if required, defeat China. This is the first of 8 monthly directives from me. You need to know I alone own the pen on these orders. My expectations are high, and these orders are not up for negotiation. Follow them. I will be tough, fair, and loving in my approach to secure victory.
END STATE. A fortified, ready, integrated, and agile Joint Force Maneuver Team ready to fight and win inside the first island chain. Maximize the use of the force and the tools we currently have and extract full value from things that currently exist. Close the gaps: C2, navigation, maneuver under attack, and tempo.
RISK. Run deliberately, not recklessly. You will be governed by the principle of calculated training risk, which you shall interpret to mean the avoidance of death, serious injury, and Class A damage to attain higher readiness, integration, and agility. If the Tactic, Technique, and Procedure you are developing increases AMC’s ability to fight and win inside the first island chain… move out. If you are comfortable in your approach to training, then you are not taking enough risk.
OT&E. Attached are our OT&E efforts from 2022 Fall PHOENIX Rally, which will guide our preparation but are not intended to limit creativity of approach. This is not an all-encompassing list. I expect you to move out briskly on the monthly tasks, anticipate the projected tasks and weave them eloquently into your units’ training and operational battle rhythms.
FEBRUARY.
(a) All AMC aligned personnel with weapons qualifications will fire a clip into a 7-meter target with the full understanding that unrepentant lethality matters most. Aim for the head.
(b) All AMC personnel will update vRED [virtual Record of Emergency Data].
(c) All commanders will acknowledge this order directly to me immediately. Then, report all 2022 accomplishments preparing for the China fight, and forecast major efforts in 2023 through command chains by COB 28 February 2023.
MARCH (Projected).
(a) All units will report progress toward established OT&E requirements for INDOPACOM Operations discussed and reviewed at Fall PHOENIX Rally.
(b) All AMC personnel will consider their personal affairs and whether a visit should be scheduled with their servicing base legal office to ensure they are legally ready and prepared.
(c) KC-135 units will coordinate to provide a conceptual means of air delivering 100 off-the-shelf size and type UAVs from a single aircraft.
APRIL (Projected).
(a) All units will report their integration and operation plans for MOBILITY GUARDIAN 2023 to include all events (lead-in and concurrent) they wish to include for credit.
ADMIN. AMC/A3 [Operations] will formalize these orders in FRAGO [Fragmentary Order] format. Completion, progress, reporting, reporting format, and advancement be measured, driven, and collected by our AMC/A3 Team through ARC [Air Reserve Command], NAF [Numbered Air Force] and EC [Expeditionary Center] leadership.
LET’S GO!
MICHAEL A. MINIHAN
General, USAF
Commander

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/read-full-memo-from-amc-gen-mike-minihan/
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This one is for you, Lieh-Tzu!!
Former US official calls for more US naval passages through Taiwan Strait


Well, that seems to me to be a softening of Pres. Biden's earlier position of definitely using US military force in the event of a Taiwan conflict:
Joe Biden again says US forces would defend Taiwan from Chinese attack
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Seen this on X.  Does a good job comparing what China would gain if they successfully take Taiwan and what we would lose.
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Who am I to argue with a Chart!!!!!!!

What I would like to point out here is that there are two kinds of consequences charted, one is gain/loss of a few physical, tangible items while the rest of it is all psychological.

While the physical items can be replaced, or substituted at some level of quality and quantity, that will take money, time and effort, but can be done within a generation.

However, the psychological gains and losses, depending on what side of the equation you're on, may take generations to overcome, if at all. Look at Great Britain!!!!

Oh, wait you can't...unless you're looking at a History book. It's just the United Kingdom now, and it's barely that.
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Gen. Mike Minihan the Commander of the Airforce AIR MOBILITY COMMAND wrote this Memo last year to his Airmen saying he believed we would possibly fight China in 2025.
I believe the MEMO is just as relevant today as it was when he wrote it.  So I'll share it below for whoever hasn't read it.

DEPARTMENT OF THE AIR FORCE
HEADQUARTERS AIR MOBILITY COMMAND

MEMORANDUM FOR 18 AF/CC, EC/CC, 22 AF/CC, 4 AF/CC, 618 AOC/CC, ALL AMC WING COMMANDERS

FROM: AMC/CC

1 February 2023

SUBJECT: February 2023 Orders in Preparation for   The Next Fight

SITUATION. I hope I am wrong. My gut tells me we will fight in 2025. [Chinese President Xi Jinping] secured his third term and set his war council in October 2022. Taiwan's presidential elections are in 2024 and will offer Xi a reason. United States' presidential elections are in 2024 and will offer Xi a distracted America. Xi's team, reason, and opportunity are all aligned for 2025. We spent 2022 setting the foundation for victory. We will spend 2023 in crisp operational motion building on that foundation. If you want to know what the operational motion I demand looks like, look at what Total Force Team Charleston did in January.
COMMANDER'S INTENT. Go faster. Drive readiness, integration, and agility for ourselves and the Joint Force to deter, and if required, defeat China. This is the first of 8 monthly directives from me. You need to know I alone own the pen on these orders. My expectations are high, and these orders are not up for negotiation. Follow them. I will be tough, fair, and loving in my approach to secure victory.
END STATE. A fortified, ready, integrated, and agile Joint Force Maneuver Team ready to fight and win inside the first island chain. Maximize the use of the force and the tools we currently have and extract full value from things that currently exist. Close the gaps: C2, navigation, maneuver under attack, and tempo.
RISK. Run deliberately, not recklessly. You will be governed by the principle of calculated training risk, which you shall interpret to mean the avoidance of death, serious injury, and Class A damage to attain higher readiness, integration, and agility. If the Tactic, Technique, and Procedure you are developing increases AMC's ability to fight and win inside the first island chain  move out. If you are comfortable in your approach to training, then you are not taking enough risk.
OT&E. Attached are our OT&E efforts from 2022 Fall PHOENIX Rally, which will guide our preparation but are not intended to limit creativity of approach. This is not an all-encompassing list. I expect you to move out briskly on the monthly tasks, anticipate the projected tasks and weave them eloquently into your units' training and operational battle rhythms.
FEBRUARY.
(a) All AMC aligned personnel with weapons qualifications will fire a clip into a 7-meter target with the full understanding that unrepentant lethality matters most. Aim for the head.
(b) All AMC personnel will update vRED [virtual Record of Emergency Data].
(c) All commanders will acknowledge this order directly to me immediately. Then, report all 2022 accomplishments preparing for the China fight, and forecast major efforts in 2023 through command chains by COB 28 February 2023.
MARCH (Projected).
(a) All units will report progress toward established OT&E requirements for INDOPACOM Operations discussed and reviewed at Fall PHOENIX Rally.
(b) All AMC personnel will consider their personal affairs and whether a visit should be scheduled with their servicing base legal office to ensure they are legally ready and prepared.
(c) KC-135 units will coordinate to provide a conceptual means of air delivering 100 off-the-shelf size and type UAVs from a single aircraft.
APRIL (Projected).
(a) All units will report their integration and operation plans for MOBILITY GUARDIAN 2023 to include all events (lead-in and concurrent) they wish to include for credit.
ADMIN. AMC/A3 [Operations] will formalize these orders in FRAGO [Fragmentary Order] format. Completion, progress, reporting, reporting format, and advancement be measured, driven, and collected by our AMC/A3 Team through ARC [Air Reserve Command], NAF [Numbered Air Force] and EC [Expeditionary Center] leadership.
LET'S GO!
MICHAEL A. MINIHAN
General, USAF
Commander

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/read-full-memo-from-amc-gen-mike-minihan/
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Link Posted: 8/18/2024 3:05:03 PM EDT
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Score Card!!!!
Came in this morning!!
Taiwan tracks 15 Chinese naval ships, 7 military aircraft
TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   The Ministry of National Defense (MND) tracked 15 Chinese military aircraft and seven naval vessels around Taiwan between 6 a.m. on Saturday (Aug. 17) and 6 a.m. on Sunday.

Of the seven People's Liberation Army (PLA) aircraft, three crossed the Taiwan Strait median line in the country's northern, central, and southeastern air defense identification zone (ADIZ), according to the MND.
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The return to these older flight patterns are interesting. I expected the patterns to be more agressive when the Abraham Lincoln Carrier Strike Group completely passed. That didn't happen. Now, we're left with a couple of choices. One is jet engine replacement as we still don't have any numbers on the hours that Chinese jet engines can live, and the other possibility is this is the lull before the Storm! Only time will tell.
So far this month, Taiwan has tracked PLA aircraft 286 times and Chinese ships 165 times.
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I want to also point out that the red rectangle in the "Northern" corner has a time on station of 11 minutes. That's probably an aircraft while the longer time are more than likely ships averaging 3 to 4 hours on station. Let's assume that how long it takes a PLAN combantant ship to completely empty its magazines.
Link Posted: 8/18/2024 3:15:31 PM EDT
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This is one of those stories that has plot holes in it like so many stories involving governments!
Taiwan Coast Guard says 3 Chinese fishermen missing off coast of Kinmen
(same island where so much has happened in the last 7 months!)
TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   Taiwan's Coast Guard Administration (CGA) said on Saturday (Aug. 17) that a Chinese fishing boat was involved in a collision, and three of the crew members were missing at sea.

The incident involved the Chinese-flagged Min Long Yu 60877 and occurred in the early morning on Saturday, about 12 kilometers off the coast of Kinmen, reported AFP. The Taiwan Coast Guard ship that responded to the incident rescued four of the seven crew members, but the other three who fell into the sea could not be found.  

The Min Long Yu 60877 reportedly sank due to a collision with an unspecified vessel, which the CGA did not elaborate on in their announcement. The CGA is conducting search and rescue operations to find the missing men.
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Besides the collision with an "unspecified vessel" where is the Chinese Coast Guard? In any of the previous insertions and extractions, the Chinese Coast Guard was there. Here? Nope. Highly probable conclusion is that a PRC flagged fishing boat hit a submarine and sank with the Chinese Coast Guard cleared of the area, so they don't run into any submarines? Not all of the plot holes will be filled in, but some will. And we'll be ready because when News breaks, we fix it!! (I love that line.)
The timing of the incident will likely enflame tensions between Taiwan and China, as it echoes a similar incident that occurred in February. On Feb. 14, two Chinese fishermen died and another two were detained after they fled from a Taiwan Coast Guard patrol boat and their fishing boat capsized.

In a striking coincidence, the Kinmen District Prosecutors announced on Friday (Aug. 16) that they will not press charges against Coast Guard officers involved in the February incident. The announcement said the officers did not break any laws and that the Chinese fishermen drowned as a result of their actions.
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In response to the decision of the Kinmen District Prosecutors, China's Taiwan Affairs Office (TAO) responded by saying that the findings are "unacceptable." TAO spokesperson Zhu Fenglian (   ) said the prosecutor's statement ignores the facts of the investigation and deliberately shirks responsibility, reported RFI.

Less than 24 hours after the Kinmen prosecutor's decision and the TAO response, a new incident has occurred involving Taiwan's Coast Guard and the disappearance of Chinese fishermen in unclear circumstances.
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I hemmed and hawed about this next story. There are two assertions made with one being completely nuts and the other a good and proper idea.
US scholar argues for stronger Taiwan offensive strategy
AIPEI (Taiwan News)   Taiwan should bolster its offensive strategy to fend off a Chinese invasion effectively, Michael Rubin, a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, said in an opinion article published on Friday (Aug. 16).

"The key to Taiwan's defense will be a strong offense," Rubin said. Taiwan should not restrict its defense to within its territory. He cited China scholar Gordon Chang, who suggested that Taiwan could kill millions by destroying China's dams.  
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The problem here is, say you do vaporize the Three Gorges Dam killing tens of millions of Chinese, how do you make certain that the hundreds of millions of Chinese left come to the conclusion that NOW! is the time to over throw the CCP?
It's more likely that those same hundreds of millions of Chinese left will come to the conclusion that vengence is required for the attackers.

However, assertion 2 is here and is even do-able as things stand now:
Even just threatening to strike China's infrastructure strengthens Taiwan's deterrence, Rubin said. Bombarding China's coastal city of Xiamen from Kinmen could kill tens of thousands, he said, adding, "Infiltration need not be unidirectional."

China will deploy special forces inside Taiwan and Taiwan should reciprocate, Rubin said. Since there is already contempt amongst the Chinese against their leader, Xi Jinping (   ), if Taiwan can "make China falter," the public may rise against the Chinese Communist Party.
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[color=#0000ff]The CCP will figuratively hang Xi before this happens.

The researcher said that neighboring countries may also pounce on the chance to realize their territorial claims once they see China as weak.[/color]
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This reminds me too much of Argentina in WWII!!!
But being fair to his point, if the PRC goes after Taiwan, all the countries of the South China Sea will be involved to one extent or another whether they want to be or not. No doubt, some, many, maybe all will reclaim what the PRC took from them to begin with and they'll probably stop there. It's not a strategy I would plow resources into though.

"If China invades Taiwan, Beijing should recognize now that no coastal Chinese city will be safe," Rubin said.
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This part is the most dangerous idea "Rubin" is suggesting. First, Taiwan's friends and allies would not stand for it. Way too provocative to say such things publically. It's too bad the researcher Rubin didn't come up with a useful idea how Taiwan could show such a capability? That would be useful, very useful.
Link Posted: 8/18/2024 3:44:22 PM EDT
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Politcal schmoozing for the Win!!!
Taiwan delegation leaves for US to attend Democratic National Convention
TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   A bipartisan delegation of Taiwanese lawmakers departed for the US on Sunday (Aug. 18) to observe the US Democratic National Convention (Aug. 19-22) in Chicago.

Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) Legislator Wang Ting-yu (   ), who is leading the delegation, said in a Facebook post he was "honored to serve as the head of our delegation." Taiwan-US relations are important, and we cherish our friends from all US political parties, he said.

Wang previously said the trip is to engage with Democrat politicians and government officials and enhance Taiwan-US relations. He said that maintaining a unified stance is crucial, and even if there are significant differences domestically, these should not be displayed abroad.

The DPP and Kuomintang (KMT) will send five delegates each, while the Taiwan People's Party will send one. The DPP delegates include Fan Yun (  ) and Han Ying (  ), while KMT representatives include Hsu Yu-chen (   ) and Chiu Jo-hua (   ). The TPP's delegate will be its caucus whip Huang Kuo-chang (   ).

Last month, Taiwan sent an 11-member bipartisan delegation to observe the Republican National Convention held in Milwaukee. Taiwan's Ministry of Foreign Affairs said earlier that Taiwan maintains close and friendly relations with both the Republican and Democratic parties.
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We'll see how many photo ops and thank you speeches get said after the DNC Convention.

I highlighted the TPP sentence fragment because they are in real trouble.
Taiwan People's Party embroiled in corruption scandals
(It's been boiling up for the last month, and now it involves the top of the party.)
TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   Taiwan People's Party (TPP) chair and founder Ko Wen-je (   ) is dealing with a series of political scandals.

In one case, Ko's presidential campaign said it paid NT$9.16 million (US$284,000) to two companies contracted to organize events, per Nikkei Asia. The contractors claimed they did not receive the funds.

On Monday (Aug. 12), Ko's campaign team held a press conference and claimed there were 17 cases of misreporting from presidential campaign accountant Tuanmu Cheng (   ). The Control Yuan has
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In a separate case, when Ko was Taipei mayor, he allegedly changed the floor area ratio for Core Pacific City Mall from 392% to 840%, reported The Diplomat. This would have given the developer a financial windfall.

Prosecutors summoned Ko's deputy mayor, Pong Cheng-sheng (   ), on Monday for questioning regarding the case and have barred him from leaving Taiwan. They accused Pong of abusing his position and violating the Anti-Corruption Act.
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According to a survey released on Aug. 1, support for the TPP was 6%, down 10 points from the poll taken from June to July of 2023, reported Nikkei Asia.
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We've already covered several TPP members getting caught as well as several KMT members.
Additionally, former TPP Hsinchu Mayor Kao Hung-an (   ) was convicted of corruption on July 26. She had been indicted on suspicion of embezzling public funds during her time as a legislator.

National Chengchi University (NCCU) Professor Li Shih-hui (   ) said young people who have been the base support for the TPP are now backing away. "This is a situation that threatens survival," he added.

Meanwhile, the TPP's disciplinary committee met Friday (Aug. 16) to discuss the punishment against members involved in the political donation case, per CNA. After two hours of deliberation, they reached no conclusions.
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China says Philippine vessel 'deliberately collided' with Chinese vessel in the South China Sea

BEIJING, Aug 19 (Reuters) - China's Coast Guard said a Philippine vessel that had ignored its repeated warnings "deliberately collided" with a Chinese vessel in an "unprofessional and dangerous" manner in the disputed South China Sea, according to statements on Monday.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/china-says-philippine-vessel-deliberately-collided-with-chinese-vessel-south-2024-08-19/

Chinese Coast Guard statement on the incident.
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Photos of the damaged Philippine ship.
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Link Posted: 8/19/2024 12:50:51 AM EDT
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Man, a lot has happened this weekend and into Monday on the other side of the Pacific!

First, Thanks to all of you for participating in the thread or just reading it!!!! We got lots of stuff to cover.

First up is a Score Card:
Taiwan tracks 9 Chinese naval ships, 8 military aircraft
TAIPEI (Taiwan News)   The Ministry of National Defense (MND) tracked nine Chinese naval vessels and eight military aircraft around Taiwan between 6 a.m. on Sunday (Aug. 18) and 6 a.m. on Monday.

Of the eight People's Liberation Army (PLA) aircraft, four crossed the Taiwan Strait median line in the country's central, southwestern, and eastern air defense identification zone (ADIZ), according to the MND.
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So far this month, Taiwan has tracked PLA aircraft 294 times and Chinese ships 174 times.
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This move here is similar to what the Biden Admin wanted to do with the "Mary Poppins of Disinformation": Biden's 'Mary Poppins of Disinformation' the perfect nanny to tidy up mess of free speech?

Except now it's the PRC!
SYDNEY -- Press freedom is faltering across Pacific island nations as cash-strapped news outlets fall under the sway of local governments and China's expanding influence, with longtime friend of the region Australia moving quickly to provide support.

Papua New Guinea announced a draft of a media development policy last year, wherein nonprofit group Media Council of Papua New Guinea (MCPNG) would be re-established by legislation as "an independent and self-sustaining public body."

The proposed policy would give the body "the power to investigate complaints against media outlets, issue guidelines for ethical reporting and enforce sanctions or penalties for violations of professional standards."

The draft also refers to emphasizing positive news coverage and filtering content that is against PNG's development aspirations. Concerns about the proposal were raised not only by newspapers and broadcasters but also by members of the MCPNG.
We covered this in 2022 and 2023 on separate island nations. Back then it was "gifts" of computers and digital printing machines to newspapers. Now, it's flat out money and government commissions to ensure that journalists are "ethical." I had a joke about calling it the "Affordable Children's Ethical Journalist Sustainability Act, but it's not funny any more.
Link Posted: 8/19/2024 1:16:46 AM EDT
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I know Carmel is wild about this ship, but it keeps reminding me of those flying carriers in the sky from the comics and the Japanese anime. It's a big bitch, though, that's for sure.
But perhaps the aspect of the Type 076 that stands out most is that it appears to feature a catapult launching system for fixed-wing aircraft, technology also featured on China's new CNS Fujian aircraft carrier, which features an electromagnetic aircraft launch system like the newest US aircraft carriers, the Ford-class ships.

Bryan Clark, a former US Navy officer and defense expert at the Hudson Institute, explained that China likely wants the capability to launch long-endurance unmanned aerial vehicles, and the new catapult is a "creative" way to do so for some of its drones.

China's military operates a variety of strike and reconnaissance drones, and years ago, as CSIS notes in its analysis, photos surfaced of what looked like drones on a catapult test track. And at the Changxing facility, apparent unmanned aerial vehicle mock-ups have been seen at a testing facility, though the purpose and intent is unclear.

There are two paragraphs that are far more interesting than the story as a whole:
With the Fujian, China made a technological leap from the ski-jump-style aircraft launch systems of its earlier carriers to advanced electromagnetic catapults, completely skipping over steam-powered catapults in the process.
This is a huge implication for getting the design parameters and technical specifications from spying or just outright purchasing the information.

"I think it is as important, if not more important, to emphasize how mind-bogglingly impressive China's ability to build ships is," Funaiole said, noting that while the exact timeline of its construction is unclear, China started building the 076, likely prioritizing it, while finishing the new dry dock it was in.

It's just a small example of the capacity and size of China's shipbuilding power. The big takeaway from the Type 076's building, Clark said, is it shows how once China's "got a hot production line" and is "able to leverage commercial shipbuilding capacity essentially for military ship construction," it "can build ships, like a Type 076, pretty quickly."
This bit pretty much speaks for itself. This Nation destroyed its own industrial capability to pursue an agenda of what exactly? Protecting a Yew tree on the Oregon Coast, a small fish in a Delta, a 1.25 inch lizard that's pretty much food for anything that's 2 inches in size? On the other hand, we have wind mills that knock birds out of the sky at an impressive rate and solar projects that can heat up their bodies really quickly almost like a microwave oven can. Amazing! But, I digress!!! Back to work.

Link Posted: 8/19/2024 1:27:12 AM EDT
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Iran state news

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Let me show you guys the best thing about this story:
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The earliest this picture was used was on September 4th, 2023.

I point it out because it's "coup" not "coop."

I'm not going to doubt there was a press release, but I do doubt any Iranians attended it!! BUT! and it's a big BUT, it does show complicity between the Iranians and the PRC. This complicity is very similar to US media and the DNC. At least it didn't say, "China says US military coop. with Japan 'weird'

There's probably more depth than their relationship is known besides the oil sales and weapon sales, but we don't have corroboration...yet.
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China says Philippine vessel 'deliberately collided' with Chinese vessel in the South China Sea

BEIJING, Aug 19 (Reuters) - China's Coast Guard said a Philippine vessel that had ignored its repeated warnings "deliberately collided" with a Chinese vessel in an "unprofessional and dangerous" manner in the disputed South China Sea, according to statements on Monday.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/china-says-philippine-vessel-deliberately-collided-with-chinese-vessel-south-2024-08-19/

Chinese Coast Guard statement on the incident.
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Photos of the damaged Philippine ship.
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Originally Posted By GoldenMead:
China says Philippine vessel 'deliberately collided' with Chinese vessel in the South China Sea

BEIJING, Aug 19 (Reuters) - China's Coast Guard said a Philippine vessel that had ignored its repeated warnings "deliberately collided" with a Chinese vessel in an "unprofessional and dangerous" manner in the disputed South China Sea, according to statements on Monday.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/china-says-philippine-vessel-deliberately-collided-with-chinese-vessel-south-2024-08-19/

Chinese Coast Guard statement on the incident.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/482001/IMG_0869_jpeg-3298413.JPG

Photos of the damaged Philippine ship.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/482001/IMG_0870_jpeg-3298477.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/482001/IMG_0871_jpeg-3298478.JPG
Fantastic photos, GoldenMead!!!

Best line of the story:
A short video of the incident posted on China Coast Guard's social media showed the collision happened around 3:24 a.m. on Monday (1924 GMT on Sunday) and labelled the Chinese vessel as a coast guard vessel.
Page with the way too short videos;  Propagandists try to show Philippine ship colliding by "broadsiding the bow of a Chinese Coast Guard Ship.

And you really can't tell that these are Chinese Coast Guard ships!! The damage shown in GoldenMead's photos is more of a steel bow hit. I don't believe that Chinese Coast Guard ships use steel bow and Keel construction. Might be wrong! It's 500 ships, and they don't do much search and rescue stuff.

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