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Originally Posted By CoyoteGray: The way he runs things, they could probably have a ship ready to go by noon tomorrow. View Quote I'd be surprised if there haven't been conversations between the agencies about compatibility so NASA space suits can plug into SpaceX life support systems and the capsule seats can accommodate them too. This would be a good time to develop a universal system, at least for seats, connectors, and whatnot. |
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The “Three Stupid” Rule: “Do not go to stupid places, with stupid people, and do stupid things”
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Originally Posted By JellyBelly: I'd be surprised if there haven't been conversations between the agencies about compatibility so NASA space suits can plug into SpaceX life support systems and the capsule seats can accommodate them too. This would be a good time to develop a universal system, at least for seats, connectors, and whatnot. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By JellyBelly: Originally Posted By CoyoteGray: The way he runs things, they could probably have a ship ready to go by noon tomorrow. I'd be surprised if there haven't been conversations between the agencies about compatibility so NASA space suits can plug into SpaceX life support systems and the capsule seats can accommodate them too. This would be a good time to develop a universal system, at least for seats, connectors, and whatnot. Elon is generally several steps ahead, he's probably already built it and has it sitting on the shelf just in case. |
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The “Three Stupid” Rule: “Do not go to stupid places, with stupid people, and do stupid things”
Religion is a handy device for keeping the philosophically deficient in line. |
Originally Posted By JellyBelly: Is he into corporate espionage? How much information could he get about their designs from FOIA requests? View Quote He could probably ask Tim Dodd for details. What it's like to wear Boeing's Space Suit |
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It’s… probably not as bad as you think it is.
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Originally Posted By Pallas: SpaceX doesn’t have a Dragon ready to go. According the NASA, there are 6 docked at the ISS currently, that includes the Boeing pos. There are six docks total, so the ISS is full. I get the impression that some docks can only work with certain spacecraft. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Pallas: Originally Posted By Loki41872: Do they have to be in the ship when it comes back? If Starliner has to stay docked until Nasa and Boeing are done with their tests, why not go ahead and send a Dragon for them? Is there only one dock or something? SpaceX doesn’t have a Dragon ready to go. According the NASA, there are 6 docked at the ISS currently, that includes the Boeing pos. There are six docks total, so the ISS is full. I get the impression that some docks can only work with certain spacecraft. Has there ever been an orbital rescue mission before? Aka a craft launched to bring stranded astronauts down? I believe after a shuttle blew the astronauts on the ISS took an existing soyuz back down but it was already there. |
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Originally Posted By SBR300BLK: Has there ever been an orbital rescue mission before? Aka a craft launched to bring stranded astronauts down? I believe after a shuttle blew the astronauts on the ISS took an existing soyuz back down but it was already there. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By SBR300BLK: Originally Posted By Pallas: Originally Posted By Loki41872: Do they have to be in the ship when it comes back? If Starliner has to stay docked until Nasa and Boeing are done with their tests, why not go ahead and send a Dragon for them? Is there only one dock or something? SpaceX doesn’t have a Dragon ready to go. According the NASA, there are 6 docked at the ISS currently, that includes the Boeing pos. There are six docks total, so the ISS is full. I get the impression that some docks can only work with certain spacecraft. Has there ever been an orbital rescue mission before? Aka a craft launched to bring stranded astronauts down? I believe after a shuttle blew the astronauts on the ISS took an existing soyuz back down but it was already there. Rescue flights were pre-planned with hardware assembled for Skylab and the final Hubble servicing missions, but I’m not aware of any having been flown by any nation. |
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Originally Posted By JellyBelly: Is he into corporate espionage? How much information could he get about their designs from FOIA requests? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By JellyBelly: Originally Posted By Josh: Elon is generally several steps ahead, he's probably already built it and has it sitting on the shelf just in case. Is he into corporate espionage? How much information could he get about their designs from FOIA requests? I doubt there's any secrets to the design of a suit hookup. It's probably specced out in some document that's public. |
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Talking August now, July if everything goes swimmingly from now on:
Boeing Needs To Complete More Testing Before Undocking Starliner |
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A pro-Boeing look at the situation:
Starliner is Doing Better than you Think! Seemingly accepts NASA, Boeing, & the astronauts' statements at face value. |
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Broken Shuttle Tiles... remember that flight?
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So they just live there now? Are they at least chipping in on the groceries and light bill?
The other astronauts are like “guests are like fish…” |
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Originally Posted By SamBoga: So they just live there now? Are they at least chipping in on the groceries and light bill? The other astronauts are like “guests are like fish…” View Quote Maybe they are brewing moonshine for everyone up there since Starliner is parked like a Camaro with a got dang broken driveshaft on the front lawn? |
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It’s… probably not as bad as you think it is.
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Originally Posted By bbrocks: SpaceX was awarded a NASA contract to DE-ORBIT ISS. Will that occur before or after Boeing Starliner is undocked? https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-22-2018/4axJ8A.gif View Quote Reminds me of a scene from the movie Dragonheart. “You can’t fly forever!” “Neither can you!” Attached File The proposed deorbit vehicle looks pretty dope. |
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It’s… probably not as bad as you think it is.
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Originally Posted By Hesperus: Reminds me of a scene from the movie Dragonheart. “You can’t fly forever!” “Neither can you!” https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/383325/AFFDA20E-8448-414C-A0AF-3186A450C397_jpe-3275799.JPG The proposed deorbit vehicle looks pretty dope. View Quote Balancing the thrust to keep it in line with the structural mass is going to be non trivial.... I could see this going badly rather quickly if there is a structural failure and it throws the center of balance off. |
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A Grendel's Love is different from a 5.56's Love
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Originally Posted By GeorgiaBII: Balancing the thrust to keep it in line with the structural mass is going to be non trivial.... I could see this going badly rather quickly if there is a structural failure and it throws the center of balance off. View Quote Very slow and easy and it may take weeks to do it safely. |
Leave me alone. I’m a libertarian. CW vet x7, give away a kidney to a loved one if they need it.
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Originally Posted By GeorgiaBII: Balancing the thrust to keep it in line with the structural mass is going to be non trivial.... I could see this going badly rather quickly if there is a structural failure and it throws the center of balance off. View Quote Yep, Elon has said on twitter that this is one heck of a project and that the station wasn’t really designed for these sorts of loads. I suppose when they built the thing they either expected something better than the shuttle to be available to dismantle it and take the big bits down for display in museums like the original plan for decommissioning Hubble. Or perhaps they were going to part it out for deep space missions like in the novel Manifold Space? |
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It’s… probably not as bad as you think it is.
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A Grendel's Love is different from a 5.56's Love
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Originally Posted By Hesperus: Yep, Elon has said on twitter that this is one heck of a project and that the station wasn’t really designed for these sorts of loads. I suppose when they built the thing they either expected something better than the shuttle to be available to dismantle it and take the big bits down for display in museums like the original plan for decommissioning Hubble. Or perhaps they were going to part it out for deep space missions like in the novel Manifold Space? View Quote More likely they didn’t care or even have the foresight to make it easy. |
Leave me alone. I’m a libertarian. CW vet x7, give away a kidney to a loved one if they need it.
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They could break it down into smaller pieces and maybe salvage some parts. The solar panels are fairly new. Resell them to another company that needs a lot of power in space. Unless the whole thing is too stressed by thermal cycling to be of any use.
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I've seen better riots at Walmart on a black Friday - SrBenelli
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Originally Posted By shooter_gregg: ... salvage some parts. The solar panels are fairly new. Resell them to another company that needs a lot of power in space. Unless the whole thing is too stressed by thermal cycling to be of any use. View Quote Russian Space Station Mir had a lot of discussion on this subject in literature. The irony of world powers disposing equipment in our atmosphere while preaching climate change and benefits of recycling is not lost on me. |
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"The villainy you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction"
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Dean Martin - "I'll Be Home For Christmas" - LIVE - CHRISTMAS |
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"the science" /duh si-ens/ noun: progressive postmodern religious dogma not based in tested hypothesis or facts used to advance an authoritative political ideology
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This was planned all the time, they were always going to spend AT LEAST nine days in orbit, so why not make a long trip out of it?!
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/25/nasa-boeing-crewed-starliner-flight-return-august.html The indefinite extension of Starliner’s flight test is difficult to put into context of other human spaceflights due to the unique circumstances and developmental nature of the mission. Any crewed spaceflight comes with heightened risk and scrutiny. Originally, Calypso was expected to spend a minimum of nine days in space before returning. “I think we all knew that it was going to go longer than that. We didn’t spend a lot of time talking about how much longer, but I think it’s my regret that we we didn’t just say we’re going to stay up there until we get everything done that we want to go to do,” Boeing’s Mark Nappi, vice president of the Starliner program, said on Thursday. View Quote Just because we said "nine days" doesn't mean it couldn't also be 55 days! |
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“NASA and Boeing have repeatedly stressed that they are not stranded in space….”
If I whip off into Death Valley on a set of spare tires wearing flip flops…when the tires blow, I’d consider myself stranded. I lament the absence of steely eyed missile men at NASA and assholes at Boeing… |
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...waiting for AmericanPeople to state the spacecraft is nominal, stronger than ever, and ready to lead this nation to the stars.
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So what is Space TDY pay?
Hope it's $1k a day. |
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Maniac has responded with a scornful remark
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Originally Posted By FreefallRet: So what is Space TDY pay? Hope it's $1k a day. View Quote Meals provided. Incidentals only. Buzz Aldrin got $1/day. Attached File |
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Will they break the record for days in space before they come home?
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Maniac has responded with a scornful remark
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Originally Posted By Jack_Rackham: Will they break the record for days in space before they come home? View Quote Attached File |
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Originally Posted By SpanishInquisition: ...waiting for AmericanPeople to state the spacecraft is nominal, stronger than ever, and ready to lead this nation to the stars. View Quote Show me where I ever stated anything like that. Starliner is a failure and the Crew Dragon Uber service option was my suggestion early on. It remains the best option. This is still a dupe thread. |
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SpaceX emergency contract:
This is a $266,678 firm-fixed-price delivery order contract awarded to Space Exploration Technologies Corp. (SpaceX) by the Kennedy Space Center, a civilian agency of the U.S. government. The contract is for a "SPECIAL STUDY FOR EMERGENCY RESPONSE" with a completion date of August 15, 2024. View Quote https://govtribe.com/award/federal-contract-award/delivery-order-nnk14ma74c-80ksc024fa090 |
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Originally Posted By AmericanPeople: Show me where I ever stated anything like that. Starliner is a failure and the Crew Dragon Uber service option was my suggestion early on. It remains the best option. This is still a dupe thread. View Quote Can't call it a dupe thread without sharing a link to the real thread. |
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Originally Posted By shooter_gregg: They could break it down into smaller pieces and maybe salvage some parts. The solar panels are fairly new. Resell them to another company that needs a lot of power in space. Unless the whole thing is too stressed by thermal cycling to be of any use. View Quote Ever buy a used travel trailer? At best a lot of that interior stuff needs a bleach power washing. Space is gross and brutal. |
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I've heard that the first exposure to the ISS atmosphere is gag inducing. I would be selling off exterior components. "Special price on solar panels, limited time only." Docking hubs, antennas, etc. could be repurposed.
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I've seen better riots at Walmart on a black Friday - SrBenelli
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Originally Posted By greyninja: SpaceX emergency contract: https://govtribe.com/award/federal-contract-award/delivery-order-nnk14ma74c-80ksc024fa090 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By greyninja: SpaceX emergency contract: This is a $266,678 firm-fixed-price delivery order contract awarded to Space Exploration Technologies Corp. (SpaceX) by the Kennedy Space Center, a civilian agency of the U.S. government. The contract is for a "SPECIAL STUDY FOR EMERGENCY RESPONSE" with a completion date of August 15, 2024. https://govtribe.com/award/federal-contract-award/delivery-order-nnk14ma74c-80ksc024fa090 "Emergency" might be a poor choice. Alternate and backup are two words I would consider as long as they are truth. |
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Keep your powder dry, and watch your back trail.
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Originally Posted By AeroE: "Emergency" might be a poor choice. Alternate and backup are two words I would consider as long as they are truth. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By AeroE: Originally Posted By greyninja: SpaceX emergency contract: This is a $266,678 firm-fixed-price delivery order contract awarded to Space Exploration Technologies Corp. (SpaceX) by the Kennedy Space Center, a civilian agency of the U.S. government. The contract is for a "SPECIAL STUDY FOR EMERGENCY RESPONSE" with a completion date of August 15, 2024. https://govtribe.com/award/federal-contract-award/delivery-order-nnk14ma74c-80ksc024fa090 "Emergency" might be a poor choice. Alternate and backup are two words I would consider as long as they are truth. The delivery orders might require that title. Kharn |
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Originally Posted By AeroE: "Emergency" might be a poor choice. Alternate and backup are two words I would consider as long as they are truth. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By AeroE: Originally Posted By greyninja: SpaceX emergency contract: This is a $266,678 firm-fixed-price delivery order contract awarded to Space Exploration Technologies Corp. (SpaceX) by the Kennedy Space Center, a civilian agency of the U.S. government. The contract is for a "SPECIAL STUDY FOR EMERGENCY RESPONSE" with a completion date of August 15, 2024. https://govtribe.com/award/federal-contract-award/delivery-order-nnk14ma74c-80ksc024fa090 "Emergency" might be a poor choice. Alternate and backup are two words I would consider as long as they are truth. I guess it depends on whether or not one took the deathtrap into space which can't make it back down. A matter of perspective I suppose. |
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If they leave in that thing they are going to die.
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SpaceX Uber service run, maybe combined with some supplies delivery or whatever, they they can screw around with the Starliner testing as long as they want and then have it return unmanned.
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