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Posted: 10/4/2022 6:52:52 AM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I keep thinking the 47 is the one with the rotating barrel. I kind of lost track after 43  Sure the 48 seems confusingly pointless but if it was your agency's issue gun and it's not available for sale to the public I would think you'd want one. Plus you can flip them to collectors later. The one with the rotating barrel would be cool to have |
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Posted: 10/4/2022 7:41:45 AM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The point is regular joe just can't go buy one. Sure, form a club, place an order. |
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Posted: 10/4/2022 10:23:47 AM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For the uninformed: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/33962/cbp-glock-contract19_jpg-2549974.JPG Personally I'm a huge fan of the protruding lip of the magazines, sure to get caught on every piece of equipment. |
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Posted: 10/4/2022 12:16:52 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have no idea what models above 23 are. Lol this |
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Posted: 10/4/2022 12:21:18 PM EDT
[#5]
Man, I would love to be able to buy and own a G47.
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Posted: 10/4/2022 12:25:37 PM EDT
[#6]
I wonder if a (retired) BP I know could be persuaded to buy one then decide he doesn’t like it and resell to a good home like mine…
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Posted: 10/4/2022 12:26:43 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder if a (retired) BP I know could be persuaded to buy one then decide he doesn’t like it and resell to a good home like mine… You could flip it on GB for $5K. |
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Posted: 10/4/2022 12:28:52 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The point is regular joe just can't go buy one. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Fuck that. More carve outs and privileges for the kings men. It’s through their private museum. Forget it. He’s rolling. The point is regular joe just can't go buy one. That isn't exactly a point unless it's a point in whining about wanting what you never earned the right to be a part of their organization. |
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Posted: 10/4/2022 12:37:50 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: $750 for a glock is BS, what so special about it? |
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Posted: 10/4/2022 12:38:31 PM EDT
[#10]
Can't you just print one? What is the big deal?
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Posted: 10/4/2022 12:39:56 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: At least they are guarding access to something. Hammer ~ Nail |
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Posted: 10/4/2022 1:15:10 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You could flip it on GB for $5K. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I wonder if a (retired) BP I know could be persuaded to buy one then decide he doesn’t like it and resell to a good home like mine… You could flip it on GB for $5K. If I did that, how could I wear it out? |
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Posted: 10/4/2022 1:24:16 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The point is regular joe just can't go buy one. they might sell you one if you go down to the border and volunteer to help usher in our newest democrat voters |
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Posted: 10/4/2022 1:29:15 PM EDT
[#14]
I dont understand why this is a big deal other than no one can have them but the kings men.
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Posted: 10/4/2022 2:11:57 PM EDT
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The OP information is greatly appreciated! I EOD'd in the USBP in June of 1968 & left in 1975 to join a different Fed LEO position. I've lost track of a number of friends since I retired in 1993. I just contacted the BP Museum to ascertain if they maintain any records of living & deceased members & any contact information.
I do have the first issued BP Commemorative, a S&W Mdl. 66 that came out in the early 1970's which I still have. It's probably worth more as a shooter than a collection piece. |
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Posted: 10/4/2022 2:13:57 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That isn't exactly a point unless it's a point in whining about wanting what you never earned the right to be a part of their organization. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Fuck that. More carve outs and privileges for the kings men. It’s through their private museum. Forget it. He’s rolling. The point is regular joe just can't go buy one. That isn't exactly a point unless it's a point in whining about wanting what you never earned the right to be a part of their organization. This times a million. |
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Posted: 10/4/2022 2:19:45 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted:  You're "point" is stupid. Don't get upset with the BP Museum because they convinced Glock to do a run of pistols they don't mass manufacture, while adding a hefty premium. If Glock chooses not to offer the 47 to the public, get upset with them. BP doesn't hold their patent. Get a thousand orders together through your organization with folks willing to pay an extra $200 and I'm sure they'll do a run of 47s for you too. I would be down for a non MOS slide 47 so I could have the optic cut I want done and put it on a 19 frame. I've wanted a 19L for a while. |
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Posted: 10/4/2022 2:20:36 PM EDT
[#18]
I'll probably get at least two.
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Posted: 10/4/2022 2:33:01 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll be in for an order. Retired 2021 61 work days left. Class 535 |
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Posted: 10/4/2022 2:36:27 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I swapped my baseplates out immediately. The G26 doesn't take standard G26 mags either because the grip is slightly longer. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: For the uninformed: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/33962/cbp-glock-contract19_jpg-2549974.JPG Personally I'm a huge fan of the protruding lip of the magazines, sure to get caught on every piece of equipment.  They had a huge box of them. |
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Posted: 10/4/2022 2:45:37 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I got the 19 and put the extended plates on my mags after I tried it both ways. Stupid easy to rip them out during a quick reload. I might see if I can get the Firearms guys to gift me some as a retirement present. They had a huge box of them. Had the 47 and really liked it, including the mags and base plates. Never had a snag issue. When I retired, only had ro turn in pistol, they let me keep the mags. I may even get 2. Already have a USBP 50th S&W 66, USBP Sig and USBP Winchester model 94. 341 |
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Posted: 10/4/2022 2:57:30 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm surprised Lipseys haven't done it yet actually. I would be down for a non MOS slide 47 so I could have the optic cut I want done and put it on a 19 frame. I've wanted a 19L for a while. |
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Posted: 10/4/2022 3:00:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I swapped my baseplates out immediately. The G26 doesn't take standard G26 mags either because the grip is slightly longer. Well dang, now I know why I had two of those baseplates that made me go WTF when one of my orders of a pile of G17 Gen 5 magazines came in. I ordered replacements, the normal ones and gave the other two clown shoe sized ones away. |
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Posted: 10/4/2022 3:42:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I bet Glock has some contract with the Border Patrol to not sell these to anyone else that BP waived to allow some private sales to employees/retired employees. Otherwise they'd be available or someone like Lipseye's would have done it. That is incorrect. That is purely Glock's decision. CBP/(USBP/OFO) put out a statement of work (SOW) with certain specs to be met. Glock won the contract. Nothing keeps Glock from selling G47s to the public, except Glock. The United States Border Patrol museum is privately funded and receives zero tax dollars/public money. The museum reached out to Glock about making a commerative G47 for sale to current and former/retired Border Patrol Agents to buy and Glock agreed. Simple as that. Federal government is not involved. https://www.borderpatrolmuseum.com/about/ https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/why-you-cant-buy-glock-47-gun-only-us-customs-and-border-protection-have-them-100367?amp https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/04/11/glock-g47-cbp/amp/ https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/national-media-release/cbp-awards-contract-duty-handguns  Facts about the Border Patrol Museum  The NEW Glock 47 (and New G19 and G26 DHS/Mod1) Pistols! |
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Posted: 10/4/2022 4:21:56 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The OP information is greatly appreciated! I EOD'd in the USBP in June of 1968 & left in 1975 to join a different Fed LEO position. I've lost track of a number of friends since I retired in 1993. I just contacted the BP Museum to ascertain if they maintain any records of living & deceased members & any contact information. I do have the first issued BP Commemorative, a S&W Mdl. 66 that came out in the early 1970's which I still have. It's probably worth more as a shooter than a collection piece. Quote HistoryQuoted: The OP information is greatly appreciated! I EOD'd in the USBP in June of 1968 & left in 1975 to join a different Fed LEO position. I've lost track of a number of friends since I retired in 1993. I just contacted the BP Museum to ascertain if they maintain any records of living & deceased members & any contact information. I do have the first issued BP Commemorative, a S&W Mdl. 66 that came out in the early 1970's which I still have. It's probably worth more as a shooter than a collection piece. According to their site, they have records of every BP class going back to 1924 including names that attended. If you were ever there, they will know. How will you verify the eligibility of a person who wishes to purchase the weapon? We have access to class rosters going back to 1924. Your name will be checked against those rosters. |
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Posted: 10/4/2022 5:28:38 PM EDT
[#26]
I had never even heard of the 47. Interdasting.
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Posted: 10/4/2022 5:39:55 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm surprised Lipseys haven't done it yet actually. I would be down for a non MOS slide 47 so I could have the optic cut I want done and put it on a 19 frame. I've wanted a 19L for a while. Hell, I surprised Arfcom hasn't done it yet. We've pulled off some neat stuff in the past. It maybe as simple as no one has thought of the idea yet.... Would have to have a lot of folks commit to it though. I would think at least a thousand participants with deposit in hand, minimum. |
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Posted: 10/4/2022 7:21:53 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I got the 19 and put the extended plates on my mags after I tried it both ways. Stupid easy to rip them out during a quick reload. I might see if I can get the Firearms guys to gift me some as a retirement present. They had a huge box of them. |
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Posted: 10/4/2022 7:24:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/4/2022 10:02:51 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That is incorrect. That is purely Glock's decision. CBP/(USBP/OFO) put out a statement of work (SOW) with certain specs to be met. Glock won the contract. Nothing keeps Glock from selling G47s to the public, except Glock. |
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Posted: 10/4/2022 10:24:17 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck that. More carve outs and privileges for the kings men. Well, when you call up Glock and order 20k pistols they will make whatever you want. Has nothing to do with the King's Men. |
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Posted: 10/4/2022 11:00:40 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: According to their site, they have records of every BP class going back to 1924 including names that attended. If you were ever there, they will know. Weird. I just turned 119 so I guess I'm good.
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Posted: 10/4/2022 11:17:49 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder why they (Glock) don't. Lack of demand? Cutting into the market for other models? @Aimless Not sure why. In other news a G47 was probably used today for this. Headline says wounded. Illegal alien died at the hospital https://www.foxnews.com/us/fbi-investigating-shooting-texas-border-patrol-facility-left-migrant-wounded |
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Posted: 10/5/2022 1:23:15 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A Texas border patrol agent killed one of the prison escape murderers in NY. Too bad the other one survived a 45 GAP. He was in prison for a horrible murder of a deputy, I wouldn't watch that part of "Escape from Dannemora" The recreation of the capture was good. A trooper spotted him on a roadside and he tries to walk off. The Trooper jumped out and chased him but the killer was going to get into the woods so the Trooper shot him. Pretty good work after chasing the turd across a field. |
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Posted: 10/5/2022 7:09:06 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That is incorrect. That is purely Glock's decision. CBP/(USBP/OFO) put out a statement of work (SOW) with certain specs to be met. Glock won the contract. Nothing keeps Glock from selling G47s to the public, except Glock. The United States Border Patrol museum is privately funded and receives zero tax dollars/public money. The museum reached out to Glock about making a commerative G47 for sale to current and former/retired Border Patrol Agents to buy and Glock agreed. Simple as that. Federal government is not involved. https://www.borderpatrolmuseum.com/about/ https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/why-you-cant-buy-glock-47-gun-only-us-customs-and-border-protection-have-them-100367?amp https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/04/11/glock-g47-cbp/amp/ https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/national-media-release/cbp-awards-contract-duty-handguns  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7N0LuOlKKY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcHgbxMqLY0Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I bet Glock has some contract with the Border Patrol to not sell these to anyone else that BP waived to allow some private sales to employees/retired employees. Otherwise they'd be available or someone like Lipseye's would have done it. That is incorrect. That is purely Glock's decision. CBP/(USBP/OFO) put out a statement of work (SOW) with certain specs to be met. Glock won the contract. Nothing keeps Glock from selling G47s to the public, except Glock. The United States Border Patrol museum is privately funded and receives zero tax dollars/public money. The museum reached out to Glock about making a commerative G47 for sale to current and former/retired Border Patrol Agents to buy and Glock agreed. Simple as that. Federal government is not involved. https://www.borderpatrolmuseum.com/about/ https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/why-you-cant-buy-glock-47-gun-only-us-customs-and-border-protection-have-them-100367?amp https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/04/11/glock-g47-cbp/amp/ https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/national-media-release/cbp-awards-contract-duty-handguns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7N0LuOlKKY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcHgbxMqLY0If it takes proprietary model specific mags, no wonder glock would want to sell it. |
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Posted: 10/5/2022 7:30:02 AM EDT
[#36]
I’ll be grabbing one! I love my 19X and after using the features I’m faster with Gen5 features than Gen3 guns. Shooting in matches with stock pistols I seem to have more mag change issues with Gen3’s. This will likely be my first pistol with a RDS also.
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Posted: 10/5/2022 7:46:53 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: About a 15 minute drive away over Transmountain.. Are you a BP agent? |
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Posted: 10/5/2022 10:16:26 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If it takes proprietary model specific mags, no wonder glock would want to sell it. @sq40 Not quite. The G47 is also compatible with G19X, G17, G34 and G45 magazines. The CBP/USBP specific G26 (for plain clothes/undercover work) is the one that differs from the regular one. Also not sold to the public. The CBP specific G26 has slightly longer magwell to accommodate an 11 round magazines, as opposed ro the regular G26 which uses 10 round magazines. A regular 10 round G26 magazine will fit in the magwell but is too short to engage the magazine release. |
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Posted: 10/5/2022 10:18:07 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you a BP agent? No...gross. |
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Posted: 10/8/2022 9:53:04 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No...gross. We need passport checkers.
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Posted: 10/8/2022 3:23:53 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We need passport checkers. And we need baby sitters  To be fair, here in our AOR we have a good relationship with you all. At least at my level. I have a buddy that used to be mounted, he went blue, then left for Houston PD, wants me to go to the museum and get a pair of of spurs for him. They even know who is mounted there or wasn't..guys are tripping over over a gun if they can buy it or not..think they're made over spurs? |
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Posted: 10/23/2022 9:06:30 AM EDT
[#42]
They’ve changed the photo and it looks like it’s getting a billboard laser engraved onto it. I went from absolutely to pass just like that…
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Posted: 10/23/2022 8:27:34 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And we need baby sitters To be fair, here in our AOR we have a good relationship with you all. At least at my level. I have a buddy that used to be mounted, he went blue, then left for Houston PD, wants me to go to the museum and get a pair of of spurs for him. They even know who is mounted there or wasn't..guys are tripping over over a gun if they can buy it or not..think they're made over spurs? Can't argue with you on the babysitting part. Two more years with this shit show. Luckily we don't get many quitters where I'm at. Maybe five groups a week. The rest we get to actually chase. Honestly looking forward to this pistol from a collectors standpoint because while its awful on the eyes, there aren't any 47s in the wild and there never will be except for this batch. |
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Posted: 10/23/2022 8:29:21 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They’ve changed the photo and it looks like it’s getting a billboard laser engraved onto it. I went from absolutely to pass just like that… It'll be worth 2Gs more than you paid for it, as soon as you buy it.... Yes, that roll mark is absolute shit. |
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Posted: 10/23/2022 8:39:14 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Had the 47 and really liked it, including the mags and base plates. Never had a snag issue. Snag issue isn't infrequent, but it's also wildly inconsistent. Some mags won't break, some snag a seatbelt and dump their contents on the seat. Some snag on fences and disappear out of open top pouches. Some just tear apart. Some don't. P2000 floorplates used to separate, splitting the rubber toe section loose and leaving the actual mag floorplate intact. Same usage caused it, just now it's functional and not cosmetic. |
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Posted: 10/23/2022 9:27:30 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They've changed the photo and it looks like it's getting a billboard laser engraved onto it. I went from absolutely to pass just like that |
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Posted: 10/23/2022 9:40:09 PM EDT
[#47]
Quoted: http://www.borderpatrolmuseum.com/pistolfaq/ Kind of neat. They can order a 47 for $ 750 and can order multiple pistols. I'm sure no one will buy any with the intent to flip them. Can't request specific serial numbers Abramski v US (SCOTUS, 2014) said that purchasing a pistol with the intent to resell it is a straw purchase even if you transfer it through an FFL. Abramski was an LEO in VA who bought a Blue Label Glock and shipped it to an FFL in PA for his relative to pick up. During performance of a search warrant on Abramski's home, a cancelled check from the relative with the memo "Glock" was found in his home, they did some digging, and bam, he was hit federal charges for straw purchase because the date on the check predated when he bought the Glock. (he was under suspicion of something else, but it's the only charge they put on him IIRC) The SCOTUS ruling was 5-4, with Scalia ending his dissent saying "The Court makes it a federal crime for one lawful gun owner to buy a gun for another lawful gun owner. Whether or not that is a sensible result, the statutes Congress enacted do not support it—especially when, as is appropriate, we resolve ambiguity in those statutes in favor of the accused." As the Rule of Lenity normally requires any ambiguity in statutory construction be resolved in the defendant's favor, not the state's. In this case, the majority ruled for the state's favor, because icky guns. Kharn |
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Posted: 10/23/2022 9:41:22 PM EDT
[#48]
Neat.
I was able to buy my old G22 when we upgraded a few years ago. |
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Posted: 10/24/2022 12:05:00 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Abramski v US (SCOTUS, 2014) said that purchasing a pistol with the intent to resell it is a straw purchase even if you transfer it through an FFL. Abramski was an LEO in VA who bought a Blue Label Glock and shipped it to an FFL in PA for his relative to pick up. During performance of a search warrant on Abramski's home, a cancelled check from the relative with the memo "Glock" was found in his home, they did some digging, and bam, he was hit federal charges for straw purchase because the date on the check predated when he bought the Glock. (he was under suspicion of something else, but it's the only charge they put on him IIRC) The SCOTUS ruling was 5-4, with Scalia ending his dissent saying "The Court makes it a federal crime for one lawful gun owner to buy a gun for another lawful gun owner. Whether or not that is a sensible result, the statutes Congress enacted do not support it especially when, as is appropriate, we resolve ambiguity in those statutes in favor of the accused." As the Rule of Lenity normally requires any ambiguity in statutory construction be resolved in the defendant's favor, not the state's. In this case, the majority ruled for the state's favor, because icky guns. Kharn |
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Posted: 10/24/2022 12:08:30 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Neat. I was able to buy my old G22 when we upgraded a few years ago. |
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