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Posted: 7/23/2024 10:13:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s a tired trope. Everything that goes wrong is the cops fault. Don’t grab a pot of boiling water. Period. She grabbed it and threw it. There’s no reason to do that. It’s all on her. Cops leaving, retreating, being nicer etc is all great but at the end of the day if you try to throw boiling water on someone you deserve to get shot. Everything else is lawyers trying to make money. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Duty to retreat? How about not badgering someone in their home after they told them to get out, and not closing the distance to create an excuse to kill? So retreating? Or simply not pressing a fight until the point that you scare an old lady out of her wits so that you can shoot her for dubious reasons. But it if triggers you then yes, there are times you should retreat because it makes no sense to stay there. It’s a tired trope. Everything that goes wrong is the cops fault. Don’t grab a pot of boiling water. Period. She grabbed it and threw it. There’s no reason to do that. It’s all on her. Cops leaving, retreating, being nicer etc is all great but at the end of the day if you try to throw boiling water on someone you deserve to get shot. Everything else is lawyers trying to make money. Here's the moment she was told to drop the fucking pot or be shot in the fucking face. She wasn't holding the pot, but oven mitts. She raises her hands and says, I'm sorry.  They continue to scream DROP THE POT! as she's not even holding the pot, and she ducks down, not holding the pot. Here you can see, in the one second prior to being shot in the face, she's not holding the pot they're repeatedly screaming at her to drop.  Then she did grab the pot, after they kept screaming at her to drop the pot. The instant she did, she was shot in the face. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 10:13:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's a tired trope. Everything that goes wrong is the cops fault. Don't grab a pot of boiling water. Period. She grabbed it and threw it. There's no reason to do that. It's all on her. Cops leaving, retreating, being nicer etc is all great but at the end of the day if you try to throw boiling water on someone you deserve to get shot. Everything else is lawyers trying to make money. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Duty to retreat? How about not badgering someone in their home after they told them to get out, and not closing the distance to create an excuse to kill? So retreating? Or simply not pressing a fight until the point that you scare an old lady out of her wits so that you can shoot her for dubious reasons. But it if triggers you then yes, there are times you should retreat because it makes no sense to stay there. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 10:17:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It was inevitable she was going to throw it?  More police creative writing on display. She did throw it. So we can both admit she threw boiling water at the cop. So is your assertion that’s not going to cause serious bodily injury? |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 10:19:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Here's the moment she was told to drop the fucking pot or be shot in the fucking face. She wasn't holding the pot, but oven mitts. She raises her hands and says, I'm sorry. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/277223/droptheeffingpot-3274778.png They continue to scream DROP THE POT! as she's not even holding the pot, and she ducks down, not holding the pot. Here you can see, in the one second prior to being shot in the face, she's not holding the pot they're repeatedly screaming at her to drop. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/277223/notholdingpot-3274780.png Then she did grab the pot, after they kept screaming at her to drop the pot. The instant she did, she was shot in the face. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Duty to retreat? How about not badgering someone in their home after they told them to get out, and not closing the distance to create an excuse to kill? So retreating? Or simply not pressing a fight until the point that you scare an old lady out of her wits so that you can shoot her for dubious reasons. But it if triggers you then yes, there are times you should retreat because it makes no sense to stay there. It’s a tired trope. Everything that goes wrong is the cops fault. Don’t grab a pot of boiling water. Period. She grabbed it and threw it. There’s no reason to do that. It’s all on her. Cops leaving, retreating, being nicer etc is all great but at the end of the day if you try to throw boiling water on someone you deserve to get shot. Everything else is lawyers trying to make money. Here's the moment she was told to drop the fucking pot or be shot in the fucking face. She wasn't holding the pot, but oven mitts. She raises her hands and says, I'm sorry. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/277223/droptheeffingpot-3274778.png They continue to scream DROP THE POT! as she's not even holding the pot, and she ducks down, not holding the pot. Here you can see, in the one second prior to being shot in the face, she's not holding the pot they're repeatedly screaming at her to drop. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/277223/notholdingpot-3274780.png Then she did grab the pot, after they kept screaming at her to drop the pot. The instant she did, she was shot in the face. No. When she raised it over her head and threw it (which you left out) is when she was shot. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 10:22:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep, and that's certainly a great comfort to him as he's sitting in a jail cell right now, knowing that he did absolutely nothing wrong and there was nothing he could have done differently. "Crazy bitch", it was 100% her fault. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Duty to retreat? How about not badgering someone in their home after they told them to get out, and not closing the distance to create an excuse to kill? So retreating? Or simply not pressing a fight until the point that you scare an old lady out of her wits so that you can shoot her for dubious reasons. But it if triggers you then yes, there are times you should retreat because it makes no sense to stay there. Oh no they could have simply not responded to the call. Or left and said fuck it. I’m not going to investigate the possible stolen car. I won’t identify the person in a home that may or may not be a prowler. I won’t try to talk to the crazy person and calm them down. Don’t whine when cops don’t do stuff. Uvalde? Trump assassination? |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 10:23:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: She did throw it. So we can both admit she threw boiling water at the cop. So is your assertion that’s not going to cause serious bodily injury? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It was inevitable she was going to throw it? More police creative writing on display. She did throw it. So we can both admit she threw boiling water at the cop. So is your assertion that’s not going to cause serious bodily injury? My assertion is that you are being creative with the facts. This dude pressed the issue because he had to get an ID from the RP. He then gave her nonsensical commands when she was obviously a little slow to process things. Then he shot her because she didn't perfectly follow confusing instructions. He put her into a fight or flight response after she moved the water like they said she could. This is Shaver 2.0 and unfortunately it will probably go the same way because enough "reasonable officers" will shoot confused old ladies rather than walking away from their compulsion to get an ID. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 10:23:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. When she raised it over her head and threw it (which you left out) is when she was shot. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Duty to retreat? How about not badgering someone in their home after they told them to get out, and not closing the distance to create an excuse to kill? So retreating? Or simply not pressing a fight until the point that you scare an old lady out of her wits so that you can shoot her for dubious reasons. But it if triggers you then yes, there are times you should retreat because it makes no sense to stay there. It’s a tired trope. Everything that goes wrong is the cops fault. Don’t grab a pot of boiling water. Period. She grabbed it and threw it. There’s no reason to do that. It’s all on her. Cops leaving, retreating, being nicer etc is all great but at the end of the day if you try to throw boiling water on someone you deserve to get shot. Everything else is lawyers trying to make money. Here's the moment she was told to drop the fucking pot or be shot in the fucking face. She wasn't holding the pot, but oven mitts. She raises her hands and says, I'm sorry. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/277223/droptheeffingpot-3274778.png They continue to scream DROP THE POT! as she's not even holding the pot, and she ducks down, not holding the pot. Here you can see, in the one second prior to being shot in the face, she's not holding the pot they're repeatedly screaming at her to drop. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/277223/notholdingpot-3274780.png Then she did grab the pot, after they kept screaming at her to drop the pot. The instant she did, she was shot in the face. No. When she raised it over her head and threw it (which you left out) is when she was shot. It was raised over her head because she was ducked down and had to reach up to grab it. The only person in danger was Sonya Massey. But go on, tell us more about how this was mighty fine police work. Clearly. Poor cop had no choice but to shoot the crazy bitch in the face and take a murder charge for the team. Even the Illinois State Police and their police practices expert said it was a bad shoot. You should show them how things are done in California. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 10:27:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It was raised over her head because she was ducked down and had to reach up to grab it. The only person in danger was Sonya Massey. But go on, tell us more about how this was mighty fine police work. Clearly. Poor cop had no choice but to shoot the crazy bitch in the face and take a murder charge for the team. Even the Illinois State Police and their police practices expert said it was a bad shoot. You should show them how things are done in California. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Duty to retreat? How about not badgering someone in their home after they told them to get out, and not closing the distance to create an excuse to kill? So retreating? Or simply not pressing a fight until the point that you scare an old lady out of her wits so that you can shoot her for dubious reasons. But it if triggers you then yes, there are times you should retreat because it makes no sense to stay there. It’s a tired trope. Everything that goes wrong is the cops fault. Don’t grab a pot of boiling water. Period. She grabbed it and threw it. There’s no reason to do that. It’s all on her. Cops leaving, retreating, being nicer etc is all great but at the end of the day if you try to throw boiling water on someone you deserve to get shot. Everything else is lawyers trying to make money. Here's the moment she was told to drop the fucking pot or be shot in the fucking face. She wasn't holding the pot, but oven mitts. She raises her hands and says, I'm sorry. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/277223/droptheeffingpot-3274778.png They continue to scream DROP THE POT! as she's not even holding the pot, and she ducks down, not holding the pot. Here you can see, in the one second prior to being shot in the face, she's not holding the pot they're repeatedly screaming at her to drop. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/277223/notholdingpot-3274780.png Then she did grab the pot, after they kept screaming at her to drop the pot. The instant she did, she was shot in the face. No. When she raised it over her head and threw it (which you left out) is when she was shot. It was raised over her head because she was ducked down and had to reach up to grab it. The only person in danger was Sonya Massey. But go on, tell us more about how this was mighty fine police work. Clearly. Poor cop had no choice but to shoot the crazy bitch in the face and take a murder charge for the team. Even the Illinois State Police and their police practices expert said it was a bad shoot. You should show them how things are done in California. Since you have access to the raw video: How long was it between when the victim grabbed the pot and the officer shot her? |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 10:39:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Since you have access to the raw video: How long was it between when the victim grabbed the pot and the officer shot her? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Duty to retreat? How about not badgering someone in their home after they told them to get out, and not closing the distance to create an excuse to kill? So retreating? Or simply not pressing a fight until the point that you scare an old lady out of her wits so that you can shoot her for dubious reasons. But it if triggers you then yes, there are times you should retreat because it makes no sense to stay there. It’s a tired trope. Everything that goes wrong is the cops fault. Don’t grab a pot of boiling water. Period. She grabbed it and threw it. There’s no reason to do that. It’s all on her. Cops leaving, retreating, being nicer etc is all great but at the end of the day if you try to throw boiling water on someone you deserve to get shot. Everything else is lawyers trying to make money. Here's the moment she was told to drop the fucking pot or be shot in the fucking face. She wasn't holding the pot, but oven mitts. She raises her hands and says, I'm sorry. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/277223/droptheeffingpot-3274778.png They continue to scream DROP THE POT! as she's not even holding the pot, and she ducks down, not holding the pot. Here you can see, in the one second prior to being shot in the face, she's not holding the pot they're repeatedly screaming at her to drop. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/277223/notholdingpot-3274780.png Then she did grab the pot, after they kept screaming at her to drop the pot. The instant she did, she was shot in the face. No. When she raised it over her head and threw it (which you left out) is when she was shot. It was raised over her head because she was ducked down and had to reach up to grab it. The only person in danger was Sonya Massey. But go on, tell us more about how this was mighty fine police work. Clearly. Poor cop had no choice but to shoot the crazy bitch in the face and take a murder charge for the team. Even the Illinois State Police and their police practices expert said it was a bad shoot. You should show them how things are done in California. Since you have access to the raw video: How long was it between when the victim grabbed the pot and the officer shot her? On the shooter's bodycam, which he just turned on, there's no audio, so you can't hear. Comparing the audio from the non-shooter, she was shot at the 47 second mark, apparently the moment she "grabs" the pot. At the 46 second mark, she still wasn't even holding the pot. Literally all they had to do was walk backwards and out the door, if they were afraid of her pot. This is the full raw footage, edited only by law enforcement:  Sangamon County Sheriff's Office July 6, 2024 OIS Incident |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 10:40:51 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep, and that's certainly a great comfort to him as he's sitting in a jail cell right now, knowing that he did absolutely nothing wrong and there was nothing he could have done differently. "Crazy bitch", it was 100% her fault. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Duty to retreat? How about not badgering someone in their home after they told them to get out, and not closing the distance to create an excuse to kill? So retreating? Or simply not pressing a fight until the point that you scare an old lady out of her wits so that you can shoot her for dubious reasons. But it if triggers you then yes, there are times you should retreat because it makes no sense to stay there. And let's not forget how polite the Deputy was throughout the entire encounter. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 10:43:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Here's the moment she was told to drop the fucking pot or be shot in the fucking face. She wasn't holding the pot, but oven mitts. She raises her hands and says, I'm sorry. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/277223/droptheeffingpot-3274778.png They continue to scream DROP THE POT! as she's not even holding the pot, and she ducks down, not holding the pot. Here you can see, in the one second prior to being shot in the face, she's not holding the pot they're repeatedly screaming at her to drop. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/277223/notholdingpot-3274780.png Then she did grab the pot, after they kept screaming at her to drop the pot. The instant she did, she was shot in the face. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Duty to retreat? How about not badgering someone in their home after they told them to get out, and not closing the distance to create an excuse to kill? So retreating? Or simply not pressing a fight until the point that you scare an old lady out of her wits so that you can shoot her for dubious reasons. But it if triggers you then yes, there are times you should retreat because it makes no sense to stay there. It’s a tired trope. Everything that goes wrong is the cops fault. Don’t grab a pot of boiling water. Period. She grabbed it and threw it. There’s no reason to do that. It’s all on her. Cops leaving, retreating, being nicer etc is all great but at the end of the day if you try to throw boiling water on someone you deserve to get shot. Everything else is lawyers trying to make money. Here's the moment she was told to drop the fucking pot or be shot in the fucking face. She wasn't holding the pot, but oven mitts. She raises her hands and says, I'm sorry. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/277223/droptheeffingpot-3274778.png They continue to scream DROP THE POT! as she's not even holding the pot, and she ducks down, not holding the pot. Here you can see, in the one second prior to being shot in the face, she's not holding the pot they're repeatedly screaming at her to drop. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/277223/notholdingpot-3274780.png Then she did grab the pot, after they kept screaming at her to drop the pot. The instant she did, she was shot in the face. She probably shouldn't have grabbed the pot. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 10:51:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bad shoot, i hope the bad cop dies in prison by a shank.  |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 11:02:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: She probably shouldn't have grabbed the pot. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Duty to retreat? How about not badgering someone in their home after they told them to get out, and not closing the distance to create an excuse to kill? So retreating? Or simply not pressing a fight until the point that you scare an old lady out of her wits so that you can shoot her for dubious reasons. But it if triggers you then yes, there are times you should retreat because it makes no sense to stay there. It’s a tired trope. Everything that goes wrong is the cops fault. Don’t grab a pot of boiling water. Period. She grabbed it and threw it. There’s no reason to do that. It’s all on her. Cops leaving, retreating, being nicer etc is all great but at the end of the day if you try to throw boiling water on someone you deserve to get shot. Everything else is lawyers trying to make money. Here's the moment she was told to drop the fucking pot or be shot in the fucking face. She wasn't holding the pot, but oven mitts. She raises her hands and says, I'm sorry. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/277223/droptheeffingpot-3274778.png They continue to scream DROP THE POT! as she's not even holding the pot, and she ducks down, not holding the pot. Here you can see, in the one second prior to being shot in the face, she's not holding the pot they're repeatedly screaming at her to drop. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/277223/notholdingpot-3274780.png Then she did grab the pot, after they kept screaming at her to drop the pot. The instant she did, she was shot in the face. She probably shouldn't have grabbed the pot. Probably shouldn't let yourself into someone else's house and start ordering them around at gun point. The cop pointed his weapon at someone and threatened to kill them for no reason. At that point everything she did was self defense. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 11:04:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: She probably shouldn't have grabbed the pot. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Duty to retreat? How about not badgering someone in their home after they told them to get out, and not closing the distance to create an excuse to kill? So retreating? Or simply not pressing a fight until the point that you scare an old lady out of her wits so that you can shoot her for dubious reasons. But it if triggers you then yes, there are times you should retreat because it makes no sense to stay there. It’s a tired trope. Everything that goes wrong is the cops fault. Don’t grab a pot of boiling water. Period. She grabbed it and threw it. There’s no reason to do that. It’s all on her. Cops leaving, retreating, being nicer etc is all great but at the end of the day if you try to throw boiling water on someone you deserve to get shot. Everything else is lawyers trying to make money. Here's the moment she was told to drop the fucking pot or be shot in the fucking face. She wasn't holding the pot, but oven mitts. She raises her hands and says, I'm sorry. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/277223/droptheeffingpot-3274778.png They continue to scream DROP THE POT! as she's not even holding the pot, and she ducks down, not holding the pot. Here you can see, in the one second prior to being shot in the face, she's not holding the pot they're repeatedly screaming at her to drop. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/277223/notholdingpot-3274780.png Then she did grab the pot, after they kept screaming at her to drop the pot. The instant she did, she was shot in the face. She probably shouldn't have grabbed the pot. Another thing that shouldn't have been done was hiring this cop in the first place, since this was his 6th department since 2021 with multiple resignations and two DUI convictions. Shocking, since he clearly is a people person.  |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 11:07:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It was raised over her head because she was ducked down and had to reach up to grab it. The only person in danger was Sonya Massey. But go on, tell us more about how this was mighty fine police work. Clearly. Poor cop had no choice but to shoot the crazy bitch in the face and take a murder charge for the team. Even the Illinois State Police and their police practices expert said it was a bad shoot. You should show them how things are done in California. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Duty to retreat? How about not badgering someone in their home after they told them to get out, and not closing the distance to create an excuse to kill? So retreating? Or simply not pressing a fight until the point that you scare an old lady out of her wits so that you can shoot her for dubious reasons. But it if triggers you then yes, there are times you should retreat because it makes no sense to stay there. It’s a tired trope. Everything that goes wrong is the cops fault. Don’t grab a pot of boiling water. Period. She grabbed it and threw it. There’s no reason to do that. It’s all on her. Cops leaving, retreating, being nicer etc is all great but at the end of the day if you try to throw boiling water on someone you deserve to get shot. Everything else is lawyers trying to make money. Here's the moment she was told to drop the fucking pot or be shot in the fucking face. She wasn't holding the pot, but oven mitts. She raises her hands and says, I'm sorry. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/277223/droptheeffingpot-3274778.png They continue to scream DROP THE POT! as she's not even holding the pot, and she ducks down, not holding the pot. Here you can see, in the one second prior to being shot in the face, she's not holding the pot they're repeatedly screaming at her to drop. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/277223/notholdingpot-3274780.png Then she did grab the pot, after they kept screaming at her to drop the pot. The instant she did, she was shot in the face. No. When she raised it over her head and threw it (which you left out) is when she was shot. It was raised over her head because she was ducked down and had to reach up to grab it. The only person in danger was Sonya Massey. But go on, tell us more about how this was mighty fine police work. Clearly. Poor cop had no choice but to shoot the crazy bitch in the face and take a murder charge for the team. Even the Illinois State Police and their police practices expert said it was a bad shoot. You should show them how things are done in California. So she had to reach up to grab it. Then what did she do with it? Oh that’s right, threw it at the officer. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 11:08:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Another thing that shouldn't have been done was hiring this cop in the first place, since this was his 6th department since 2021 with multiple resignations and two DUI convictions. Shocking, since he clearly is a people person. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/277223/GTK5YWbXAAIBa11-3274831.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Duty to retreat? How about not badgering someone in their home after they told them to get out, and not closing the distance to create an excuse to kill? So retreating? Or simply not pressing a fight until the point that you scare an old lady out of her wits so that you can shoot her for dubious reasons. But it if triggers you then yes, there are times you should retreat because it makes no sense to stay there. It’s a tired trope. Everything that goes wrong is the cops fault. Don’t grab a pot of boiling water. Period. She grabbed it and threw it. There’s no reason to do that. It’s all on her. Cops leaving, retreating, being nicer etc is all great but at the end of the day if you try to throw boiling water on someone you deserve to get shot. Everything else is lawyers trying to make money. Here's the moment she was told to drop the fucking pot or be shot in the fucking face. She wasn't holding the pot, but oven mitts. She raises her hands and says, I'm sorry. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/277223/droptheeffingpot-3274778.png They continue to scream DROP THE POT! as she's not even holding the pot, and she ducks down, not holding the pot. Here you can see, in the one second prior to being shot in the face, she's not holding the pot they're repeatedly screaming at her to drop. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/277223/notholdingpot-3274780.png Then she did grab the pot, after they kept screaming at her to drop the pot. The instant she did, she was shot in the face. She probably shouldn't have grabbed the pot. Another thing that shouldn't have been done was hiring this cop in the first place, since this was his 6th department since 2021 with multiple resignations and two DUI convictions. Shocking, since he clearly is a people person. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/277223/GTK5YWbXAAIBa11-3274831.jpg Yeah, that's terrible. Hopefully the Chief is held accountable. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 11:09:05 AM EDT
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I can’t believe some of you are defending this guy. He never should have been employed as a deputy in the first place.
Court records showed that Deputy Grayson was previously charged twice, once in 2015 and once in 2016, with driving under the influence of alcohol in Macoupin County. He pleaded guilty to the 2015 charge and a judge found him guilty of the 2016 charge, records showed. According to the Illinois Law Enforcement Training and Standards Board, Deputy Grayson worked at six different law enforcement agencies in Illinois since 2020. He previously worked part-time at the Pawnee, Kincaid and Virden police departments and full-time at the Auburn Police Department and Logan County Sheriff's Office prior to joining Sangamon County in May 2023. Six different agencies in less than 3 years. Yeah… we are going to learn a lot more about the carnage this “brave” officer committed in the past. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 11:12:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So she had to reach up to grab it. Then what did she do with it? Oh that’s right, threw it at the officer. Stop calling him an officer. He’s a criminal. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 11:14:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can’t believe some of you are defending this guy. He never should have been employed as a deputy in the first place. Court records showed that Deputy Grayson was previously charged twice, once in 2015 and once in 2016, with driving under the influence of alcohol in Macoupin County. He pleaded guilty to the 2015 charge and a judge found him guilty of the 2016 charge, records showed. According to the Illinois Law Enforcement Training and Standards Board, Deputy Grayson worked at six different law enforcement agencies in Illinois since 2020. He previously worked part-time at the Pawnee, Kincaid and Virden police departments and full-time at the Auburn Police Department and Logan County Sheriff's Office prior to joining Sangamon County in May 2023. Six different agencies in less than 4 years. Yeah… we are going to learn a lot more about the carnage this “brave” officer committed in the past. I believe most of the comments here are about this specific incident. There's nothing in the OP about the officers character or work history. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 11:15:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So she had to reach up to grab it. Then what did she do with it? Oh that’s right, threw it at the officer. Lets imagine this frail old lady crouched down to reach up at a pot of boiling water to throw at officer with one hand. You releaize how that is not a threat? |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 11:15:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So she had to reach up to grab it. Then what did she do with it? Oh that’s right, threw it at the officer. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Duty to retreat? How about not badgering someone in their home after they told them to get out, and not closing the distance to create an excuse to kill? So retreating? Or simply not pressing a fight until the point that you scare an old lady out of her wits so that you can shoot her for dubious reasons. But it if triggers you then yes, there are times you should retreat because it makes no sense to stay there. It’s a tired trope. Everything that goes wrong is the cops fault. Don’t grab a pot of boiling water. Period. She grabbed it and threw it. There’s no reason to do that. It’s all on her. Cops leaving, retreating, being nicer etc is all great but at the end of the day if you try to throw boiling water on someone you deserve to get shot. Everything else is lawyers trying to make money. Here's the moment she was told to drop the fucking pot or be shot in the fucking face. She wasn't holding the pot, but oven mitts. She raises her hands and says, I'm sorry. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/277223/droptheeffingpot-3274778.png They continue to scream DROP THE POT! as she's not even holding the pot, and she ducks down, not holding the pot. Here you can see, in the one second prior to being shot in the face, she's not holding the pot they're repeatedly screaming at her to drop. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/277223/notholdingpot-3274780.png Then she did grab the pot, after they kept screaming at her to drop the pot. The instant she did, she was shot in the face. No. When she raised it over her head and threw it (which you left out) is when she was shot. It was raised over her head because she was ducked down and had to reach up to grab it. The only person in danger was Sonya Massey. But go on, tell us more about how this was mighty fine police work. Clearly. Poor cop had no choice but to shoot the crazy bitch in the face and take a murder charge for the team. Even the Illinois State Police and their police practices expert said it was a bad shoot. You should show them how things are done in California. So she had to reach up to grab it. Then what did she do with it? Oh that’s right, threw it at the officer. She never threatened them with the pot prior to them pointing guns at her face and threatening to shoot her in the face. They did that in response to her saying that she rebukes them in the name of Jesus. If we're talking self defense, she was legally justified in grabbing a real weapon and shooting them in the face. That's would have been her natural right. They were the aggressors. The Illinois State Police agrees with me - not you. The cop is charged with murder. You should learn from his mistakes. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 11:17:21 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Six different agencies in less than 3 years. Yeah… we are going to learn a lot more about the carnage this “brave” officer committed in the past. More examples of how the defund the police movement has worked as designed. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 11:18:41 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: More examples of how the defund the police movement has worked as designed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Six different agencies in less than 3 years. Yeah… we are going to learn a lot more about the carnage this “brave” officer committed in the past. More examples of how the defund the police movement has worked as designed. The police have nobody to blame but themselves for their misdeeds. Serious reform is needed. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 11:20:52 AM EDT
[#24]
Jesus, the raw clip of this I posted on X has 28 million views.
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Posted: 7/23/2024 11:22:46 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: She never threatened them with the pot prior to them pointing guns at her face and threatening to shoot her in the face. They did that in response to her saying that she rebukes them in the name of Jesus. If we're talking self defense, she was legally justified in grabbing a real weapon and shooting them in the face. That's would have been her natural right. They were the aggressors. The Illinois State Police agrees with me - not you. The cop is charged with murder. You should learn from his mistakes. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Duty to retreat? How about not badgering someone in their home after they told them to get out, and not closing the distance to create an excuse to kill? So retreating? Or simply not pressing a fight until the point that you scare an old lady out of her wits so that you can shoot her for dubious reasons. But it if triggers you then yes, there are times you should retreat because it makes no sense to stay there. It’s a tired trope. Everything that goes wrong is the cops fault. Don’t grab a pot of boiling water. Period. She grabbed it and threw it. There’s no reason to do that. It’s all on her. Cops leaving, retreating, being nicer etc is all great but at the end of the day if you try to throw boiling water on someone you deserve to get shot. Everything else is lawyers trying to make money. Here's the moment she was told to drop the fucking pot or be shot in the fucking face. She wasn't holding the pot, but oven mitts. She raises her hands and says, I'm sorry. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/277223/droptheeffingpot-3274778.png They continue to scream DROP THE POT! as she's not even holding the pot, and she ducks down, not holding the pot. Here you can see, in the one second prior to being shot in the face, she's not holding the pot they're repeatedly screaming at her to drop. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/277223/notholdingpot-3274780.png Then she did grab the pot, after they kept screaming at her to drop the pot. The instant she did, she was shot in the face. No. When she raised it over her head and threw it (which you left out) is when she was shot. It was raised over her head because she was ducked down and had to reach up to grab it. The only person in danger was Sonya Massey. But go on, tell us more about how this was mighty fine police work. Clearly. Poor cop had no choice but to shoot the crazy bitch in the face and take a murder charge for the team. Even the Illinois State Police and their police practices expert said it was a bad shoot. You should show them how things are done in California. So she had to reach up to grab it. Then what did she do with it? Oh that’s right, threw it at the officer. She never threatened them with the pot prior to them pointing guns at her face and threatening to shoot her in the face. They did that in response to her saying that she rebukes them in the name of Jesus. If we're talking self defense, she was legally justified in grabbing a real weapon and shooting them in the face. That's would have been her natural right. They were the aggressors. The Illinois State Police agrees with me - not you. The cop is charged with murder. You should learn from his mistakes. You're starting to lose me here. Even when I first saw the video last night (posted by someone else) I could easily tell that she was looking suspicious when she retrieved the pot from the stove. Then when she starts talking about Jesus, he becomes aware of the threat, she repeats herself, and he says "you better not" while he draws his weapon as she's holding the pot. To act like this lady was just cleaning her kitchen when the cop pulled his gun and threatened to shoot her for no reason at all, is just purposefully misleading. This is far from a good shoot, but this lady's behavior is what escalated the situation. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 11:22:49 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My assertion is that you are being creative with the facts. This dude pressed the issue because he had to get an ID from the RP. He then gave her nonsensical commands when she was obviously a little slow to process things. Then he shot her because she didn't perfectly follow confusing instructions. He put her into a fight or flight response after she moved the water like they said she could. This is Shaver 2.0 and unfortunately it will probably go the same way because enough "reasonable officers" will shoot confused old ladies rather than walking away from their compulsion to get an ID. Creative with the fact she intentionally threw boiling hot water at a cop unprovoked. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 11:23:47 AM EDT
[#27]
Once again, a good cop just stands there and watches his partner commit multiple crimes, even murder, and doesn't shoot his rabid partner.
For some odd reason every cop has been trained to only view the public as a possible threat to life and safety, they literally cant comprehend that someone wearing a uniform and badge can also be that threat. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 11:27:06 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: His video conveniently left out the shooter's bodycam video. She threw it. https://i.imgur.com/u5mFYjy.png After he pointed a gun at her for no justified reason. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 11:27:18 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Creative with the fact she intentionally threw boiling hot water at a cop unprovoked. Keep doubling down. Is there anything that would make you question this cop? Did you see his past history? He's probably committed more crimes than the poor lady he murdered. Back the blue... 
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Posted: 7/23/2024 11:29:15 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Another thing that shouldn't have been done was hiring this cop in the first place, since this was his 6th department since 2021 with multiple resignations and two DUI convictions. Shocking, since he clearly is a people person. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/277223/GTK5YWbXAAIBa11-3274831.jpg Yikes. Not even sure he should be a security guard with that baggage . |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 11:34:40 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You're starting to lose me here. Even when I first saw the video last night (posted by someone else) I could easily tell that she was looking suspicious when she retrieved the pot from the stove. Then when she starts talking about Jesus, he becomes aware of the threat, she repeats herself, and he says "you better not" while he draws his weapon as she's holding the pot. To act like this lady was just cleaning her kitchen when the cop pulled his gun and threatened to shoot her for no reason at all, is just purposefully misleading. This is far from a good shoot, but this lady's behavior is what escalated the situation. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Duty to retreat? How about not badgering someone in their home after they told them to get out, and not closing the distance to create an excuse to kill? So retreating? Or simply not pressing a fight until the point that you scare an old lady out of her wits so that you can shoot her for dubious reasons. But it if triggers you then yes, there are times you should retreat because it makes no sense to stay there. It’s a tired trope. Everything that goes wrong is the cops fault. Don’t grab a pot of boiling water. Period. She grabbed it and threw it. There’s no reason to do that. It’s all on her. Cops leaving, retreating, being nicer etc is all great but at the end of the day if you try to throw boiling water on someone you deserve to get shot. Everything else is lawyers trying to make money. Here's the moment she was told to drop the fucking pot or be shot in the fucking face. She wasn't holding the pot, but oven mitts. She raises her hands and says, I'm sorry. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/277223/droptheeffingpot-3274778.png They continue to scream DROP THE POT! as she's not even holding the pot, and she ducks down, not holding the pot. Here you can see, in the one second prior to being shot in the face, she's not holding the pot they're repeatedly screaming at her to drop. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/277223/notholdingpot-3274780.png Then she did grab the pot, after they kept screaming at her to drop the pot. The instant she did, she was shot in the face. No. When she raised it over her head and threw it (which you left out) is when she was shot. It was raised over her head because she was ducked down and had to reach up to grab it. The only person in danger was Sonya Massey. But go on, tell us more about how this was mighty fine police work. Clearly. Poor cop had no choice but to shoot the crazy bitch in the face and take a murder charge for the team. Even the Illinois State Police and their police practices expert said it was a bad shoot. You should show them how things are done in California. So she had to reach up to grab it. Then what did she do with it? Oh that’s right, threw it at the officer. She never threatened them with the pot prior to them pointing guns at her face and threatening to shoot her in the face. They did that in response to her saying that she rebukes them in the name of Jesus. If we're talking self defense, she was legally justified in grabbing a real weapon and shooting them in the face. That's would have been her natural right. They were the aggressors. The Illinois State Police agrees with me - not you. The cop is charged with murder. You should learn from his mistakes. You're starting to lose me here. Even when I first saw the video last night (posted by someone else) I could easily tell that she was looking suspicious when she retrieved the pot from the stove. Then when she starts talking about Jesus, he becomes aware of the threat, she repeats herself, and he says "you better not" while he draws his weapon as she's holding the pot. To act like this lady was just cleaning her kitchen when the cop pulled his gun and threatened to shoot her for no reason at all, is just purposefully misleading. This is far from a good shoot, but this lady's behavior is what escalated the situation. I mean, I'm not her lawyer. The cop is charged with murder. Yeah, she's apparently schizophrenic. They were laughing and joking with her, until she said the rebuke thing. Then the shooter kicked it up to 11 with threatening to shoot her in the fucking face. I'm no expert on dealing with mentally ill people, but I would imagine that isn't helpful. I'm not saying her behavior didn't contribute to what happened. There are a million what ifs in hindsight where things could have gone differently. Hell, they were just about to leave, when one of the cops reignited the conversation about the car. I bet he regrets that... I'm not saying the cop doesn't have a defense here. Proving murder beyond any reasonable doubt is a different case than just proving a civil rights violation. Again, for whoever needs to hear this, I'm not an unbiased investigator or journalist. I'm totally biased. I sue the government for a living. I almost never side with the government. I think cops are trained to be too quick to shoot first and ask questions later. If it's not a good shoot for a citizen in the same situation, I don't believe the government should be able to do it either. It's the same reasonableness standard based on the immediacy of the threat and knowledge known at the time the trigger was pulled. Some differences, yes. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 11:34:53 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: She threw the water. Fuck her. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 11:39:38 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My assertion is that you are being creative with the facts. This dude pressed the issue because he had to get an ID from the RP. He then gave her nonsensical commands when she was obviously a little slow to process things. Then he shot her because she didn't perfectly follow confusing instructions. He put her into a fight or flight response after she moved the water like they said she could. This is Shaver 2.0 and unfortunately it will probably go the same way because enough "reasonable officers" will shoot confused old ladies rather than walking away from their compulsion to get an ID. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It was inevitable she was going to throw it? More police creative writing on display. She did throw it. So we can both admit she threw boiling water at the cop. So is your assertion that’s not going to cause serious bodily injury? My assertion is that you are being creative with the facts. This dude pressed the issue because he had to get an ID from the RP. He then gave her nonsensical commands when she was obviously a little slow to process things. Then he shot her because she didn't perfectly follow confusing instructions. He put her into a fight or flight response after she moved the water like they said she could. This is Shaver 2.0 and unfortunately it will probably go the same way because enough "reasonable officers" will shoot confused old ladies rather than walking away from their compulsion to get an ID. Bingo! Standard command overload...confusion tactic which gives excuse to get their funk on. Scream commands, issue, threats, and then point guns to cause subject to become overwhelmed, unable to process instructions properly, and react in a way that escalates the situation or provokes a response that's interpreted as resistance or a threat, thereby providing rationale for bang, bang, bang! |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 11:41:46 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: More examples of how the defund the police movement has worked as designed. More like his criminal, unprofessional, and abusive behavior worked to have several departments tell him he’s gotta go… they kicked a bad can down the road. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 11:45:45 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Creative with the fact she intentionally threw boiling hot water at a cop unprovoked. You could put a bodycam on a couple Latin King gang members doing an armed home invasion on this lady and get the same results play by play. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 11:47:28 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why didn't the cop just turn off the stove himself? |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 11:50:59 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone trying to justify this just stop. They literally could have just left if they thought she was a problem. They had no reason to even be in her house demanding ID to begin with. I hope that asshole rots in jail |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 11:53:34 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Creative with the fact she intentionally threw boiling hot water at a cop unprovoked. In his own bodycam footage, his claim after the fact to the paramedics is that she "came at me with boiling water." She did not in fact "come at him." |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 11:53:40 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Another thing that shouldn't have been done was hiring this cop in the first place, since this was his 6th department since 2021 with multiple resignations and two DUI convictions. Shocking, since he clearly is a people person. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/277223/GTK5YWbXAAIBa11-3274831.jpg If you can't trust a LEO Drifter, who can you trust? |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 11:55:41 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: More examples of how the defund the police movement has worked as designed. Bullshit. That's the failure of law enforcement to discipline their ranks. The itinerant LEO who drifts from PD to PD as he fucks up existed waaaay before 2020 |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 11:56:41 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Creative with the fact she intentionally threw boiling hot water at a cop unprovoked. She was defending herself from a psychopathic gunman |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 11:58:37 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL pot of boiling water. LOL I've had entire pots of boiling spaghetti fall on me with nothing but light red skin. What if the cop had sensitive skin? Think about it, he could have had a rash for days afterwards. Better to just shoot and be on the safe side. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 11:58:56 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The cop was kind of a dick. A lot of these use of force issues could be resolved by not being a dick. “Yea. We checked the property out. We get that you saw someone, maybe they left before we got here? Feel free to inventory your stuff while we are here and call us again if needed.” Instead he was loud and confrontational and puffing his chest at her. Not sure why they needed her DL. She’s gone and the RP, not a criminal. They had no need to enter her home. Having said that, if you throw boiling water at a cop, they will kill you. Just cops being cops... Fishing and pushing, pushing and fishing, steeping over many lines to find a crime. Time after time, after time. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 12:00:58 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Discombobulated goofy arm tats…check JARHEAD haircut…check Creatine powder on shirt…check Shirt 2 sizes too small…check Condescending brah attitude…check Pimped out red dot equipped pistol with light…check Robocop speed holster …check He had to get it on. He just had to get it on. Having a light and an optic counts against him? Yikes |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 12:03:57 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Another thing that shouldn't have been done was hiring this cop in the first place, since this was his 6th department since 2021 with multiple resignations and two DUI convictions. Shocking, since he clearly is a people person. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/277223/GTK5YWbXAAIBa11-3274831.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Duty to retreat? How about not badgering someone in their home after they told them to get out, and not closing the distance to create an excuse to kill? So retreating? Or simply not pressing a fight until the point that you scare an old lady out of her wits so that you can shoot her for dubious reasons. But it if triggers you then yes, there are times you should retreat because it makes no sense to stay there. It’s a tired trope. Everything that goes wrong is the cops fault. Don’t grab a pot of boiling water. Period. She grabbed it and threw it. There’s no reason to do that. It’s all on her. Cops leaving, retreating, being nicer etc is all great but at the end of the day if you try to throw boiling water on someone you deserve to get shot. Everything else is lawyers trying to make money. Here's the moment she was told to drop the fucking pot or be shot in the fucking face. She wasn't holding the pot, but oven mitts. She raises her hands and says, I'm sorry. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/277223/droptheeffingpot-3274778.png They continue to scream DROP THE POT! as she's not even holding the pot, and she ducks down, not holding the pot. Here you can see, in the one second prior to being shot in the face, she's not holding the pot they're repeatedly screaming at her to drop. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/277223/notholdingpot-3274780.png Then she did grab the pot, after they kept screaming at her to drop the pot. The instant she did, she was shot in the face. She probably shouldn't have grabbed the pot. Another thing that shouldn't have been done was hiring this cop in the first place, since this was his 6th department since 2021 with multiple resignations and two DUI convictions. Shocking, since he clearly is a people person. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/277223/GTK5YWbXAAIBa11-3274831.jpg GTFO with all those facts.
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Posted: 7/23/2024 12:06:58 PM EDT
[#46]
Any link to a non-talking head vid?
Watched, panned, paused, etc and can’t see where she “threw” the pot of boiling water at him. Maybe a case of people seeing things they want to believe. She was putting on an oven mitt and hasn’t even touched the pot yet and Officer Roid Rage was already drawing down on her. This cop is fucked, gonna get some jail time. Most likely plead down to 2nd degree and serve 15 years rather than roll the dice with a jury and get life. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 12:09:05 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bullshit. That's the failure of law enforcement to discipline their ranks. The itinerant LEO who drifts from PD to PD as he fucks up existed waaaay before 2020 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: More examples of how the defund the police movement has worked as designed. Bullshit. That's the failure of law enforcement to discipline their ranks. The itinerant LEO who drifts from PD to PD as he fucks up existed waaaay before 2020 Discipline the ranks? Listen to the video again. Listen to the other deputies chucklefucking at the scene discussing it. We just shot someone, yeah, lets all snicker and mumble fuck around out front.TOP MEN! |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 12:11:06 PM EDT
[#48]
oh this whole thing is bullshit from beginning to the end
why charge for murder when manslaughter is more realistic charge? because DA knows this will get him the votes from the public AND he'll never be able to prove it in court (this is a discussion all in itself) second watch the video closely. old lady is just fine until the cop enters her property. then look at her face when he asks for ID you can see the shift in her mentality to a confrontational mindset. third any cop worth his shit and has more than 1 brain cell knows old people are wild cards as they tend to not give a shit and be nuts. so why stand around and look for shit to bother her about when no prowler was found. is it murder I dont think so. manslaughter.....probably voluntary vs involuntary...that's for the DA to decide |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 12:15:11 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Creative with the fact she intentionally threw boiling hot water at a cop unprovoked. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My assertion is that you are being creative with the facts. This dude pressed the issue because he had to get an ID from the RP. He then gave her nonsensical commands when she was obviously a little slow to process things. Then he shot her because she didn't perfectly follow confusing instructions. He put her into a fight or flight response after she moved the water like they said she could. This is Shaver 2.0 and unfortunately it will probably go the same way because enough "reasonable officers" will shoot confused old ladies rather than walking away from their compulsion to get an ID. Creative with the fact she intentionally threw boiling hot water at a cop unprovoked. That is an opinion and not a fact since the old lady can't share what her intent was. I guess I'm surprised to learn that the difference between facts and opinions aren't covered in police training, but you learn something new every day. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 12:22:42 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: On the shooter's bodycam, which he just turned on, there's no audio, so you can't hear. Comparing the audio from the non-shooter, she was shot at the 47 second mark, apparently the moment she "grabs" the pot. At the 46 second mark, she still wasn't even holding the pot. Literally all they had to do was walk backwards and out the door, if they were afraid of her pot. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/277223/notholdingpot-3274780.png This is the full raw footage, edited only by law enforcement:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFun2GydGyUQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Duty to retreat? How about not badgering someone in their home after they told them to get out, and not closing the distance to create an excuse to kill? So retreating? Or simply not pressing a fight until the point that you scare an old lady out of her wits so that you can shoot her for dubious reasons. But it if triggers you then yes, there are times you should retreat because it makes no sense to stay there. It’s a tired trope. Everything that goes wrong is the cops fault. Don’t grab a pot of boiling water. Period. She grabbed it and threw it. There’s no reason to do that. It’s all on her. Cops leaving, retreating, being nicer etc is all great but at the end of the day if you try to throw boiling water on someone you deserve to get shot. Everything else is lawyers trying to make money. Here's the moment she was told to drop the fucking pot or be shot in the fucking face. She wasn't holding the pot, but oven mitts. She raises her hands and says, I'm sorry. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/277223/droptheeffingpot-3274778.png They continue to scream DROP THE POT! as she's not even holding the pot, and she ducks down, not holding the pot. Here you can see, in the one second prior to being shot in the face, she's not holding the pot they're repeatedly screaming at her to drop. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/277223/notholdingpot-3274780.png Then she did grab the pot, after they kept screaming at her to drop the pot. The instant she did, she was shot in the face. No. When she raised it over her head and threw it (which you left out) is when she was shot. It was raised over her head because she was ducked down and had to reach up to grab it. The only person in danger was Sonya Massey. But go on, tell us more about how this was mighty fine police work. Clearly. Poor cop had no choice but to shoot the crazy bitch in the face and take a murder charge for the team. Even the Illinois State Police and their police practices expert said it was a bad shoot. You should show them how things are done in California. Since you have access to the raw video: How long was it between when the victim grabbed the pot and the officer shot her? On the shooter's bodycam, which he just turned on, there's no audio, so you can't hear. Comparing the audio from the non-shooter, she was shot at the 47 second mark, apparently the moment she "grabs" the pot. At the 46 second mark, she still wasn't even holding the pot. Literally all they had to do was walk backwards and out the door, if they were afraid of her pot. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/277223/notholdingpot-3274780.png This is the full raw footage, edited only by law enforcement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFun2GydGyUWell then since CA thinks that the shoot was reasonable based on the thing that happened in less than a second I'm good using that as the standard for all trained officer OODA loops. |
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