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Posted: 11/17/2022 12:29:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shane01: I'm leaning towards Jedi Temple Guard, not a Jedi. Temple Guards are Jedi. |
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Posted: 11/17/2022 12:31:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freakinout: Death star probably needs a lot of toilets and not sure if we've ever seen one in the SW universe Dark Forces had them for sure. |
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Posted: 11/17/2022 12:32:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gotigers: Luthen could a Sith. Click To View Spoiler the cat walk monologue from EP10 talking about passion and anger. Sith basics. He is working up the rebellion just like Sidious did with the trade wars and the clones wars to manipulate both sides. Temple Guards wielded double-bladed lightsaber pikes. |
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Posted: 11/17/2022 1:44:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vonbongo: Dark Forces had them for sure. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vonbongo: Originally Posted By Freakinout: Death star probably needs a lot of toilets and not sure if we've ever seen one in the SW universe Dark Forces had them for sure. Lol. I forgot about that! 
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Posted: 11/17/2022 3:00:33 PM EST
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Part of what makes a show like Andor so fantastic is the not knowing. Luthen is more interesting because we don’t know his background. Syril is more interesting because we don’t know what he is going to do or who his uncle is.
There is so much that we don’t know, and I hope I’ll remember how it felt. Explanations often ruin things. Remember when we didn’t know exactly what the Force was? And then it was explained? |
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Posted: 11/17/2022 3:23:47 PM EST
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Posted: 11/17/2022 3:25:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR-1904: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/168740/0E767D9F-44A2-40E5-9B0A-796FEA236BF5_jpe-2603786.JPG Is there any significance to the 54min 11sec? |
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Posted: 11/17/2022 3:44:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freakinout: Is there any significance to the 54min 11sec? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freakinout: Originally Posted By AR-1904: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/168740/0E767D9F-44A2-40E5-9B0A-796FEA236BF5_jpe-2603786.JPG Is there any significance to the 54min 11sec? No, just that it’s a decently long run time. |
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Posted: 11/17/2022 3:50:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR-1904: No, just that it’s a decently long run time. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR-1904: Originally Posted By Freakinout: Originally Posted By AR-1904: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/168740/0E767D9F-44A2-40E5-9B0A-796FEA236BF5_jpe-2603786.JPG Is there any significance to the 54min 11sec? No, just that it’s a decently long run time. I'm hopeful it'll be an epic end of season. Lots of stuff going on for a long episode |
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Posted: 11/17/2022 3:52:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vaquero: Part of what makes a show like Andor so fantastic is the not knowing. Luthen is more interesting because we don’t know his background. Syril is more interesting because we don’t know what he is going to do or who his uncle is. There is so much that we don’t know, and I hope I’ll remember how it felt. Explanations often ruin things. Remember when we didn’t know exactly what the Force was? And then it was explained? It’s really a shame Andor will only be two seasons. I hope it doesn’t feel rushed, like the ending of Game of Thrones. |
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Posted: 11/17/2022 3:53:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: sefus]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vaquero: Part of what makes a show like Andor so fantastic is the not knowing. Luthen is more interesting because we don’t know his background. Syril is more interesting because we don’t know what he is going to do or who his uncle is. There is so much that we don’t know, and I hope I’ll remember how it felt. Explanations often ruin things. Remember when we didn’t know exactly what the Force was? And then it was explained? or giving baby yoda a name... I was surprised at how sad the little red B robot made me when the mother died. |
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Posted: 11/17/2022 4:00:57 PM EST
[Last Edit: KaerMorhenResident]
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Think about what Luthen Rael is up against.
The Sith planned for a thousand years to bring about the Empire. Sidious himself spent about 45 years of his life solely dedicated to becoming Emperor and a Sith strong in the dark side (he had no real hobbies, no loves, no distractions, just completely dedicated with an unrelenting genius IQ and worth ethic). Luthen has had to spend 15 years to position his ISB asset and to develop his relationship and trust with Senator Mon Mothma. Just to get to this point has cost Luthen 15 years of hard paranoid inducing work, it's a miracle he's still sane and we see for Saw Gerrera that his rebel life has cost him a big piece of his sanity. Luthen is literally up against an individual not only with every conceivable conventional advantage, but who can literally see into the future to a certain degree. Luthen is right, he will NEVER see the Rebellion prevail, he will almost certain die before the Empire is defeated. He will be lost to history, unremembered while folks like Mon Mothma, Han Solo and Luke Skywalker have statutes built for them. Yet, despite all of that he presses forward every damn day with everything he has to bring about the Empire's end. That is the very definition of a hero and shows how one man can really make a difference even in a galaxy of trillions. I hope Luthen isn't a force user. I hope he is just a common man, because in my mind that makes him even more inspiring and endearing. |
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Posted: 11/17/2022 4:02:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Luthen Is the best character and best acted in all of the SW universe. Yes. I stated that. SW has been full of shitty acting since the first movie. Even Oscar winners suck in their SW roles. He doesn’t suck at all. Bold but ... I think I could come around to that. |
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Posted: 11/17/2022 4:06:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vonbongo: Dark Forces had them for sure. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vonbongo: Originally Posted By Freakinout: Death star probably needs a lot of toilets and not sure if we've ever seen one in the SW universe Dark Forces had them for sure. I believe we saw one on Din Djarin's ship the "Razor Crest" in "The Mandalorian." |
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Posted: 11/17/2022 4:10:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: Bold but ... I think I could come around to that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: Originally Posted By RattleCanAR: Luthen Is the best character and best acted in all of the SW universe. Yes. I stated that. SW has been full of shitty acting since the first movie. Even Oscar winners suck in their SW roles. He doesn’t suck at all. Bold but ... I think I could come around to that. I would say Mads Mikkelsen could give him a run. |
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Posted: 11/17/2022 4:16:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By von_landstuhl: It’s really a shame Andor will only be two seasons. I hope it doesn’t feel rushed, like the ending of Game of Thrones. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By von_landstuhl: Originally Posted By Vaquero: Part of what makes a show like Andor so fantastic is the not knowing. Luthen is more interesting because we don’t know his background. Syril is more interesting because we don’t know what he is going to do or who his uncle is. There is so much that we don’t know, and I hope I’ll remember how it felt. Explanations often ruin things. Remember when we didn’t know exactly what the Force was? And then it was explained? It’s really a shame Andor will only be two seasons. I hope it doesn’t feel rushed, like the ending of Game of Thrones. Seems they backward-planned everything from Rogue 1, so my guess is they put the story together before deciding the episode/series structure. |
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Posted: 11/17/2022 4:44:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LatentUser: I would say Mads Mikkelsen could give him a run. Who? |
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Posted: 11/17/2022 4:48:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Who? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Originally Posted By LatentUser: I would say Mads Mikkelsen could give him a run. Who? He played Galen Erso in Rogue One. Basically the brain behind the Death Star.... and the reason it had an unshielded exhaust port. |
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Posted: 11/17/2022 4:51:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dog1: He played Galen Erso in Rogue One. Basically the brain behind the Death Star.... and the reason it had an unshielded exhaust port. Copy Good character but no where near the development or acting we have seen from Luthen. |
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Posted: 11/17/2022 4:53:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Copy Good character but no where near the development or acting we have seen from Luthen. Yes a good character and I agree with you. I don't think he can hold a candle to Stellan Skarsgård |
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Posted: 11/17/2022 5:07:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: Think about what Luthen Rael is up against. The Sith planned for a thousand years to bring about the Empire. Sidious himself spent about 45 years of his life solely dedicated to becoming Emperor and a Sith strong in the dark side (he had no real hobbies, no loves, no distractions, just completely dedicated with an unrelenting genius IQ and worth ethic). Luthen has had to spend 15 years to position his ISB asset and to develop his relationship and trust with Senator Mon Mothma. Just to get to this point has cost Luthen 15 years of hard paranoid inducing work, it's a miracle he's still sane and we see for Saw Gerrera that his rebel life has cost him a big piece of his sanity. Luthen is literally up against an individual not only with every conceivable conventional advantage, but who can literally see into the future to a certain degree. Luthen is right, he will NEVER see the Rebellion prevail, he will almost certain die before the Empire is defeated. He will be lost to history, unremembered while folks like Mon Mothma, Han Solo and Luke Skywalker have statutes built for them. Yet, despite all of that he presses forward every damn day with everything he has to bring about the Empire's end. That is the very definition of a hero and shows how one man can really make a difference even in a galaxy of trillions. I hope Luthen isn't a force user. I hope he is just a common man, because in my mind that makes him even more inspiring and endearing. I don't think Luthen knows about the Sith lord, so he is fighting what he believes to be a conventional battle against the empire. Very few people, Vader for one knows, that the emperor is also a Sith lord. Everyone else just refers to him as the emperor and the galactic senate still exists up until ANH. If he were a former Jedi or temple guard then he would know of them, I don't know that he would make the connection between Sith and emperor. He certainly has some combat training and is cool under fire, reminds me of James Bond a bit without the women. Maybe he was a former galactic republic spymaster in his younger days. He would be somewhere around Obi Wan's age it would appear and has collected things from that timeframe in his shop. Palp thinks he sees the future, however as we know it isn't always interpreted correctly. Yoda says Difficult to see, always in motion the future. I agree that Luthen is up against is beyond his ability to fully grasp, however, even the best laid plans can be foiled by something unexpected. Its really going to be hard to wrap up in 13 more episodes. There are 6ish years between now and Rogue 1. In Rogue 1 Cassian is referred to as head of rebel intelligence and referred to as Captain Cassian Andor. Getting from escaping prison to being basically Luthen by Rogue 1 is going to be hard to do in such a short span. He is well known to Mon by then, but now they don't know the other exists. Its a great series and will be interesting to see how it moves forward but it needs to be 3-4 years I think, they have a lot of ground to cover. I mean without the payoff of finding out about Jyn and liberating her from prison, what's the payoff of the series? I mean the last act of Andor would basically be discovering Jyn and planning her liberation from prison, if it followed how Rogue 1 went into ANH. |
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Posted: 11/17/2022 5:11:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PN5X5: Only one episode left and I don't know how they're going to be able to wrap up some of these storylines, especially with Syril and Dedra. There's already too much plot. All will be revealed in S02. Everything will conclude as a direct lead in to Rogue 1 and as good as this writing has been, I can't see them leaving anything undone or rushed. I loved the graphics in this. The craft flying through the atmosphere was gorgeous and the tracker dish disintegrating was poetry. |
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Posted: 11/17/2022 5:13:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Abbysdaddy04: Indeed. He’s been great in this role. I hope he’s in the next season We should start a petition for a Luthen Rael show. He’s more interesting than Mando, Boba or Kenobi. Better yet, once S02 is done the writers go on to write Mando, Boba, and Kenobi! LOL |
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Posted: 11/17/2022 5:25:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dog1: Yes a good character and I agree with you. I don't think he can hold a candle to Stellan Skarsgård This will be a stepping stone to some great roles for him. Unlike other SW stories we know his ends. He won’t be shoehorned into the role. |
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Posted: 11/17/2022 5:26:48 PM EST
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Hoping they make more than 2 seasons.
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Posted: 11/17/2022 5:31:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tiempos_Peligrosos: All will be revealed in S02. Everything will conclude as a direct lead in to Rogue 1 and as good as this writing has been, I can't see them leaving anything undone or rushed. I loved the graphics in this. The craft flying through the atmosphere was gorgeous and the tracker dish disintegrating was poetry. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tiempos_Peligrosos: Originally Posted By PN5X5: Only one episode left and I don't know how they're going to be able to wrap up some of these storylines, especially with Syril and Dedra. There's already too much plot. All will be revealed in S02. Everything will conclude as a direct lead in to Rogue 1 and as good as this writing has been, I can't see them leaving anything undone or rushed. I loved the graphics in this. The craft flying through the atmosphere was gorgeous and the tracker dish disintegrating was poetry. agree, the style of the SFX in R1 and this show is perfection. Lighting, everything. Just like in R1 with the Star Destroyer looking literally like it was hovering over the city. |
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Posted: 11/17/2022 5:31:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Furloaf: Hoping they make more than 2 seasons. I'm sure they could if they wanted but, it kinda dead ends for our protagonist at R1. 
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Posted: 11/17/2022 5:45:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: I'm sure they could if they wanted but, it kinda dead ends for our protagonist at R1. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: Originally Posted By Furloaf: Hoping they make more than 2 seasons. I'm sure they could if they wanted but, it kinda dead ends for our protagonist at R1. Yeah, but so far we’ve only covered a handful of months in the life of Cassian Andor. The series is supposed to be 6 years before R1 if I’m not mistaken? Certainly another season could be written. |
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Posted: 11/17/2022 7:21:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: I'm sure they could if they wanted but, it kinda dead ends for our protagonist at R1. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: Originally Posted By Furloaf: Hoping they make more than 2 seasons. I'm sure they could if they wanted but, it kinda dead ends for our protagonist at R1. So what if it does? I want the very last spoken line of Andor to be "I need to go to Kafrene to meet someone." |
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Posted: 11/17/2022 7:30:25 PM EST
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Hey, I’d love another season if it’s by the same Gilroy team.
I’d love them to give him another movie or trilogy even. |
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Posted: 11/17/2022 8:13:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: This will be a stepping stone to some great roles for him. Unlike other SW stories we know his ends. He won’t be shoehorned into the role. I mean... Gregor was a pretty great role |
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Posted: 11/17/2022 8:50:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By von_landstuhl: Temple Guards are Jedi. Ooh..you are correct I forgot about that. What were their non jedi helpers..Anterian Rangers or something like that? |
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Posted: 11/17/2022 9:26:16 PM EST
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Theory: Luthan was Dooku's padawan.
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Posted: 11/17/2022 9:30:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MarkMustang: Theory: Luthan was Dooku's padawan.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xSQ45-xv2QI thought that was Quigon... |
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Posted: 11/17/2022 9:48:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: agree, the style of the SFX in R1 and this show is perfection. Lighting, everything. Just like in R1 with the Star Destroyer looking literally like it was hovering over the city. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: Originally Posted By Tiempos_Peligrosos: Originally Posted By PN5X5: Only one episode left and I don't know how they're going to be able to wrap up some of these storylines, especially with Syril and Dedra. There's already too much plot. All will be revealed in S02. Everything will conclude as a direct lead in to Rogue 1 and as good as this writing has been, I can't see them leaving anything undone or rushed. I loved the graphics in this. The craft flying through the atmosphere was gorgeous and the tracker dish disintegrating was poetry. agree, the style of the SFX in R1 and this show is perfection. Lighting, everything. Just like in R1 with the Star Destroyer looking literally like it was hovering over the city. I remember watching some behind-the-scenes stuff for R1, and the artists said the reason the CGI looks so fantastic is not because they wanted it to. They deliberately make the ships look like models from the originals. With whit-ish panels and strong lighting. Contrast this with the godawful cgi of the sequel trilogy, which was an attempt to make everything look "fancy" and dramatic, and you can see the clear difference. |
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Posted: 11/17/2022 9:59:06 PM EST
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I keep thinking how the show opened with Andor looking for his long lost sister. They set that up and haven’t done anything with it since then. I just wonder if that will come back into the season finale. Perhaps the ISB agent will end up being his sister, that she was picked up by the ISB and raised by them.
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Posted: 11/17/2022 10:03:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rtintwo: I keep thinking how the show opened with Andor looking for his long lost sister. They set that up and haven’t done anything with it since then. I just wonder if that will come back into the season finale. Perhaps the ISB agent will end up being his sister, that she was picked up by the ISB and raised by them. I'm guessing not |
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Posted: 11/17/2022 10:09:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stoner01: I thought that was Quigon... According to Wookiepedia (canon), he had several apprentices: Rael Aveross, Qui-Gon Jinn, an ynidentified Padawan; and after leaving the Jedi Order Grevious, Asajj Ventress, Savage Opress, Quinlan Vos. |
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Posted: 11/17/2022 10:11:55 PM EST
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Originally the plan was for five seasons. Disney got cheap and toned it down to two. I hope Luthen isn’t a sith or Jedi because it’s been nice with R1 and this series not to have space wizards and laser swords in a Star Wars story. The fact that he has the walking stick and a khyber crystal that he values far more than it’s worth makes me wonder though.
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Posted: 11/17/2022 10:13:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stoner01: I'm guessing not Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stoner01: Originally Posted By rtintwo: I keep thinking how the show opened with Andor looking for his long lost sister. They set that up and haven’t done anything with it since then. I just wonder if that will come back into the season finale. Perhaps the ISB agent will end up being his sister, that she was picked up by the ISB and raised by them. I'm guessing not His long-lost sister is going to end up being Syril. |
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Posted: 11/17/2022 10:18:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dealer72: Originally the plan was for five seasons. Disney got cheap and toned it down to two. I hope Luthen isn’t a sith or Jedi because it’s been nice with R1 and this series not to have space wizards and laser swords in a Star Wars story. The fact that he has the walking stick and a khyber crystal that he values far more than it’s worth makes me wonder though. Then go watch Star Trek. SW has Jedi and light sabers. |
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Posted: 11/17/2022 10:20:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: This will be a stepping stone to some great roles for him. Unlike other SW stories we know his ends. He won’t be shoehorned into the role. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Originally Posted By Dog1: Yes a good character and I agree with you. I don't think he can hold a candle to Stellan Skarsgård This will be a stepping stone to some great roles for him. Unlike other SW stories we know his ends. He won’t be shoehorned into the role. A stepping stone for Stellan Skarsgard? |
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Posted: 11/17/2022 10:40:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Durka-Durka: His long-lost sister is going to end up being Syril. 
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Posted: 11/17/2022 10:40:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gotigers: Then go watch Star Trek. SW has Jedi and light sabers. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gotigers: Originally Posted By Dealer72: Originally the plan was for five seasons. Disney got cheap and toned it down to two. I hope Luthen isn’t a sith or Jedi because it’s been nice with R1 and this series not to have space wizards and laser swords in a Star Wars story. The fact that he has the walking stick and a khyber crystal that he values far more than it’s worth makes me wonder though. Then go watch Star Trek. SW has Jedi and light sabers. Wasn’t complying just said it was nice. Sorry if I offended. I will go watch Star Trek right now. |
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Posted: 11/17/2022 10:45:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dealer72: Wasn’t complying just said it was nice. Sorry if I offended. I will go watch Star Trek right now. Just jackin with ya. SW or ST, i like both with or without space wizards with shiny swords. |
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Posted: 11/17/2022 10:54:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gotigers: Just jackin with ya. SW or ST, i like both with or without space wizards with shiny swords. Star Trek now is even WORSE than Disney Wars and went full retard with the anti-Trump wokeness.  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 11/17/2022 10:57:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jackthom8: Star Trek now is even WORSE than Disney Wars and went full retard with the anti-Trump wokeness. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCZGZ2xWcwAST has always been commie bullshit except Uhura, she was fine back in the day |
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Posted: 11/17/2022 10:58:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mikhail_86: ST has always been commie bullshit except Uhura, she was fine back in the day  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/17/2022 11:02:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dealer72: Originally the plan was for five seasons. Disney got cheap and toned it down to two. I hope Luthen isn't a sith or Jedi because it's been nice with R1 and this series not to have space wizards and laser swords in a Star Wars story. The fact that he has the walking stick and a khyber crystal that he values far more than it's worth makes me wonder though. If not a Jedi or Sith, maybe he's affiliated with the Guardians of the Whills. I loved the mystery behind them as it was introduced in R1 and never mentioned again. |
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Posted: 11/17/2022 11:08:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mikhail_86: ST has always been commie bullshit except Uhura, she was fine back in the day Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mikhail_86: Originally Posted By jackthom8: Star Trek now is even WORSE than Disney Wars and went full retard with the anti-Trump wokeness. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCZGZ2xWcwAST has always been commie bullshit except Uhura, she was fine back in the day At least “Qween of Erf” Stacey Abrams can hold down the Start Trek franchise. |
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