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Posted: Today 1:30:03 PM EST
Just curious what the prevailing stance on arfcom 2.0 is.
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Posted: Today 1:31:07 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Shoresy: Just curious what the prevailing stance on arfcom 2.0 is. |
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Posted: Today 1:31:52 PM EST
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These days mostly I see Indian people driving them.
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WI, USA
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Posted: Today 1:33:58 PM EST
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They may be right for some people, I have no problem if people like their EVs. It is a tool to be used within its capability.
The problem is our overbearing government is trying to fuck everyone over with mandates and laws that favor EVs when the technology and power grid just can't handle it. |
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Posted: Today 1:34:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anesvick: I have no problem with EVs. I have a massive problem with the government telling me I have to have an EV. Well said. |
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Posted: Today 1:35:02 PM EST
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Being in NoVa?
A ginormous percentage are virtue signaling liberals. Before EVs I used to see Prius’ (Prii? Priuses?) everywhere….now it’s EVs (mostly Teslas and Rivians). |
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Posted: Today 1:35:51 PM EST
[Last Edit: C3H5N3O9]
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EVs are neutral things. It’s another option, and options are good. Forcing EVs on the American people by regulating everything else out of existence in the name of climate change is pure commie BS.
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Posted: Today 1:35:53 PM EST
[Last Edit: trio]
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It’s a tool, like any other tool. It’s great when used for what it’s designed for. I’ve got a Tesla. I’ve got 3 ICE vehicles. The Tesla is great for driving around the metro area where I live as long as I end up back in my garage. Get it down to 1%. Next morning I go back out and it’s at 80%. For going farther? For towing? Then it’s one of the ICE vehicles
I don’t get the hate for something that is just a tool. To me it’s no different than people who hate guns because of the actions of their owners |
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Posted: Today 1:36:02 PM EST
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First post nails it...
I like the idea but I don't think either the technology nor the infrastructure is up to it. Making the batteries is horrible for the environment and way too expensive. However, with some of the new battery technologies on the horizon and with adequate charging from green nuclear power plants I believe that they will be a success in the free market. |
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IL, USA
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Posted: Today 1:36:09 PM EST
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Lefty for two reasons.
1. "Proposed" environmental impact that gets pushed. (Never mind the batteries.) 2. They are best suited for short commutes and need a charging station infrastructure. That = cities/burbs which usually are libera. |
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USA
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Posted: Today 1:36:57 PM EST
[Last Edit: Isenhelm]
[#10]
They are the result of green bullshit propaganda.
They are the result of globalist, gov crony manipulation, only successfully produced by such interference, funding, mandate, etc.. They are another totalitarian peoples car pushed down onto the masses. There is no EV on the market today that is not the result of these. Whether or not you like them, think they are cool, worship the owner of the company or are have some technical rant about them being better than horse and buggy or combustion engines is nothing to do with how they came to be and that they are not a result of any sort of free-ish market. |
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Posted: Today 1:36:59 PM EST
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Most of the folks around here that have them are techies and use them for their daily's. Mostly 3/Ys then S, then the occasional R1T or Cybertruck for the technie nerds that made it to like VP levels or above lol.
But there's plenty of areas where people will use them for a status symbol though. |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: Today 1:37:51 PM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anesvick: I have no problem with EVs. I have a massive problem with the government telling me I have to have an EV.  Attached File |
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Posted: Today 1:37:57 PM EST
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EVs are just an alternative.
Oil won't be around forever. We didn't quit using whale oil because we ran out of whales. |
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Posted: Today 1:38:04 PM EST
[Last Edit: runcible]
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Liberal virtue signaling tools.
Originally Posted By Isenhelm: They are the result of green bullshit propaganda. They are the result of globalist, gov crony manipulation, only successfully produced by such interference, funding, mandate, etc.. They arer another totalitarian peoples car pushed down onto the masses. There is no EV on the market today that is not the result of these. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: Today 1:38:48 PM EST
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As a maintainer that hasn’t actually worked on one, a potentially simplified drivetrain is welcome.
From what I’ve seen, I don’t know it that is realistic, but I do know that electric motors are a hell of a lot simpler to work on than internal combustion engines. Now the battery technology is a separate issue. Hydrocarbons allow you to remain untethered to the grid. |
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Posted: Today 1:39:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trio: It's a tool, like any other tool. It's great when used for what it's designed for. I've got a Tesla. I've got 3 ICE vehicles. The Tesla is great for driving around the metro area where I live as long as I end up back in my garage. Get it down to 1%. Next morning I go back out and it's at 80%. For going farther? For towing? Then it's one of the ICE vehicles I don't get the hate for something that is just a tool. To me it's no different than people who hate guns because of the actions of their owners You wouldn't shoot 1000 yard targets with a Mk18 and expect good results, and you wouldn't run a CQB shoot house with a precision bolt gun. Mindless hate of EVs is dumb just the same as the mindless "EVs save the world" stupidity. It is funny to see liberals now hating Tesla. |
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Posted: Today 1:43:57 PM EST
[Last Edit: Blue_Monkey]
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I just see them as interesting new tech. My wife has a plug in Toyota hybrid. My vehicle is a GMC w/6.2L V8. We don't buy our vehicles based on "greenness" or politics.
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CO, USA
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Posted: Today 1:43:58 PM EST
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First post says it all.
I'm a person who could benefit from having an EV, since most of my driving is around town, less than 150 miles per day. I even had 240V installed in my garage when it was built figuring that it makes sense for the future. But $40K, $50K or more for an EV plus insurance just doesn't make economic sense in my personal life for what essentially would be a third car. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: Today 1:44:36 PM EST
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definitely lefty. the 'push to adopt' is left. always has been.
it is strongly associated with the green / carbon reduction element of leftist politicians. |
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Posted: Today 1:45:00 PM EST
[Last Edit: DK-Prof]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By runcible: Absent the elites deciding EVs would be a thing, EVs would not be a thing. I am not 100% sure that's true, simply because Elon Musk. There's ZERO doubt that Musk expertly took advantage of regulations and government incentives when turning Tesla into a large-volume car manufacturer. Heck, for MANY years, Tesla never made a penny of selling cars, but instead was profitable because of carbon credit trading/selling. However, my belief is that Musk partially wanted to develop an electric car company to develop and perfect the EV technology for use in his Mars colony/city. Many of his business ventures have some connection to his Mars plans, just like the Boring company. So I could absolutely see him trying to make Tesla a viable company even without all of the tax incentives and regulatory benefits. However, without the elites heavily subsidizing EVs, it's not clear that he could ever have gotten to the large scale he has today - in which he is actually making money selling cars. But, I guess I am agreeing with you in the sense that it wouldn't be a successful thing without all the elites deciding to heavily subsidize/encourage it. |
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Posted: Today 1:45:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anesvick: I have no problem with EVs. I have a massive problem with the government telling me I have to have an EV. if they were that AMAZING, people would be out buying them on their own. but our infrastructure and life styles based are based around gasoline vehicles and it seems people don't want the change, so the gov has to force it. |
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Posted: Today 1:45:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MJ11B4P: Now the battery technology is a separate issue. Hydrocarbons allow you to remain untethered to the grid. A 15-20k home solar/battery set up would allow you to fully control your daily transportation need, as well as supply most of your home energy needs. Then you are untethered from the grid. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: Today 1:46:18 PM EST
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Exclusively the vehicles of low T liberals and liberal women.
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THA
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Posted: Today 1:46:32 PM EST
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I have one. Not a commie
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Posted: Today 1:49:02 PM EST
[Last Edit: Butternut]
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I've not changed my mind at all, and LOVE my ICE vehicles and all the freedom they afford. That said, if I ever get in a life situation where we buy an EV, no matter what the market is offering, it would be a Tesla, out of love for Elon and all he did.
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Posted: Today 1:49:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: _DR]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anesvick: I have no problem with EVs. I have a massive problem with the government telling me I have to have an EV. Exactly. Good times were back when the government didn't regulate any civilian car manufacturing, at all. What year was that? 1964? That's the way it should be. Let the market decide. ETA it was 1968. Screw the nanny state, get govt out of my freaking car. |
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Posted: Today 1:51:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anesvick: I have no problem with EVs. I have a massive problem with the government telling me I have to have an EV. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anesvick: Originally Posted By Shoresy: Just curious what the prevailing stance on arfcom 2.0 is. This. I think the tech is amazing, but they are not perfect. |
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Posted: Today 1:52:36 PM EST
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Neutral gay.
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Posted: Today 1:52:36 PM EST
[Last Edit: RattleCanAR]
[#29]
To begin with, lefty as hell.
Now? Conservatives love Musk and Tesla. The lefties are selling their Teslas. I think of them as Neutral, you don't know what you may find with the owner. He may just have an AR in it just as much as a coexist sticker. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: Today 1:53:04 PM EST
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Until the battery range/efficiency and safety/fire issues are fixed, they're a foolish investment. Not never, just not yet.
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Posted: Today 1:53:09 PM EST
[#31]
I don't have an opinion of them based on any kind of politics. Watching the lefties squirm about Teslas vs Elon hate is hilarious.
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Posted: Today 1:54:31 PM EST
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Personally? I don't think about them at all. I'm not in the market for one, because they're pretty expensive for what they are. And the two vehicles I already own do a fine job solving for X, where X is my ability to get where I need to go when public transportation options are either unavailable, or don't make sense. In style, too. They're both pretty sweet, if I do say so myself.
If you polled EV owners on their politics, I would guess the majority lean further to the left than I do. Other than being an interesting bit of (possibly untrue for all I know) trivia, this isn't knowledge I can do anything with. So I guess I kinda don't give a shit. |
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Posted: Today 1:54:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anesvick: I have no problem with EVs. I have a massive problem with the government telling me I have to have an EV. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anesvick: Originally Posted By Shoresy: Just curious what the prevailing stance on arfcom 2.0 is. That's all there is too it. Let both technologies compete without the government putting their finger on the scale. |
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Posted: Today 1:54:42 PM EST
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 Attached FileQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Not necessarily. Gas is a finite available resource locally that can disappear in times of emergency, disaster, or even controlled with a "social credit score". On top of that, you can't make it at home. A 15-20k home solar/battery set up would allow you to fully control your daily transportation need, as well as supply most of your home energy needs. Then you are untethered from the grid. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Originally Posted By MJ11B4P: Now the battery technology is a separate issue. Hydrocarbons allow you to remain untethered to the grid. A 15-20k home solar/battery set up would allow you to fully control your daily transportation need, as well as supply most of your home energy needs. Then you are untethered from the grid. Attached File |
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AR, USA
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Posted: Today 1:56:41 PM EST
[#35]
Neutral
Some are flashy and expensive and attract d bags like many other flashy and expensive cars Some are just neat new technology that are practical for many people |
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Posted: Today 1:56:50 PM EST
[#36]
I have no problems with EV's.
As a retired guy that only drives an average of 10 to 20 miles a day (if even that), I'd probably own one as a daily driver if they weren't so damn expensive to purchase and/or maintain. I'll always have my pickup for serious work. |
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Posted: Today 1:56:57 PM EST
[#37]
The above posters nailed it.
EVs neutral. Govt subsidies bad. GD? Yet another weird obsession… |
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Posted: Today 1:57:30 PM EST
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I think EV's are entrepreneurial and great but subsidizing them is not. I understand part of the reason why (infrastructure is vital to their success.) but the other part global warming hoaxing is just flat out lying and very costly in the long run. Crony capitalism at best.
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Posted: Today 1:57:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Not necessarily. Gas is a finite available resource locally that can disappear in times of emergency, disaster, or even controlled with a "social credit score". On top of that, you can't make it at home. A 15-20k home solar/battery set up would allow you to fully control your daily transportation need, as well as supply most of your home energy needs. Then you are untethered from the grid. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Originally Posted By MJ11B4P: Now the battery technology is a separate issue. Hydrocarbons allow you to remain untethered to the grid. A 15-20k home solar/battery set up would allow you to fully control your daily transportation need, as well as supply most of your home energy needs. Then you are untethered from the grid. This is a really important point, and one that my wife and I considered when we were planning our Hawaii house build. Our plan (it's temporarily on hold right now), was to build the house with a big solar system - possibly the tesla roof tiles - and buy an EV truck. Because of the solar system, we'd literally never have to spend a penny of charging because we'd just charge the truck off the house. Even the Big Island is small enough that you could drive anywhere and back on a single charge - so we'd never have to look for a charger either. In the event of some huge disaster or TEOTWAWKI, gasoline would run out VERY quickly, since it has to be shipped in - and so while everyone with ICE vehicles would basically have no transportation, we'd continue to have infinite transportation (as long as the vehicle itself didn't break). Obviously, for most people, that's not the scenario they'd be in, but for us, an EV would be far superior to ICE in an emergency. |
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Posted: Today 1:58:44 PM EST
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FPNI
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Posted: Today 1:59:25 PM EST
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It's just another tool in the tool box.
Sometimes one of our trucks is the right tool. But most of the time, our Taycan is the right tool. And when it is the right tool, it fucking SHINES. |
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AR, USA
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Posted: Today 2:00:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Not necessarily. Gas is a finite available resource locally that can disappear in times of emergency, disaster, or even controlled with a "social credit score". On top of that, you can't make it at home. A 15-20k home solar/battery set up would allow you to fully control your daily transportation need, as well as supply most of your home energy needs. Then you are untethered from the grid. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Originally Posted By MJ11B4P: Now the battery technology is a separate issue. Hydrocarbons allow you to remain untethered to the grid. A 15-20k home solar/battery set up would allow you to fully control your daily transportation need, as well as supply most of your home energy needs. Then you are untethered from the grid. LoL A disaster, like a tornado or hurricane? I'm sure solar panels could survive that. A heavy hail storm could wreck those plans. |
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USA
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Posted: Today 2:00:58 PM EST
[#43]
As person transportation they are demonstrably worse than gasoline powered cars. There is zero reason to pick one over a normal car unless you are trying to make a political statement.
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Posted: Today 2:01:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tanavast: As person transportation they are demonstrably worse than gasoline powered cars. There is zero reason to pick one over a normal car unless you are trying to make a political statement. How so? My personal experience for a half a decade says otherwise? I guess I'll just go fuck myself. 
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Posted: Today 2:02:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Deadtired: I don't have an opinion of them based on any kind of politics. Watching the lefties squirm about Teslas vs Elon hate is hilarious. It's actually funny how many Teslas I've seen in/around NoVa with bumper stickers on them nowadays that say something like "I bought this before I knew how terrible Musk is" . . . like in their circle jerk of liberal friends they have to literally cope and explain away their vehicle purchase in order to pass their purity tests. |
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Posted: Today 2:04:05 PM EST
[#46]
It's a fucking car.
Now mandating EV's is a lefty position, letting the market decide is a conservative position. |
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Posted: Today 2:06:41 PM EST
[#47]
I like them. I think they're neat tech.
I just can't afford the ones I actually want. I'm very interested in how the EV Cayman turns out. |
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AR, USA
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Posted: Today 2:08:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Happy_Hour_Hero: LoL A disaster, like a tornado or hurricane? I'm sure solar panels could survive that. A heavy hail storm could wreck those plans. I have an EV and a solar carport. If a weather event destroys that - I was fucked anyway. If a weather event destroys infrastructure near me, I am in better shape than anyone else. |
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Posted: Today 2:10:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tanavast: As person transportation they are demonstrably worse than gasoline powered cars. There is zero reason to pick one over a normal car unless you are trying to make a political statement. Neither a gas engine or an electric motor, are substitutes for an actual personality. They don't need to be part of someone's identity, political or otherwise. Know what I mean? |
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Posted: Today 2:14:18 PM EST
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Neutral, but being forced upon consumers by lefties.
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