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KS, USA
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Posted: Today 4:17:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Not necessarily. Gas is a finite available resource locally that can disappear in times of emergency, disaster, or even controlled with a "social credit score". On top of that, you can't make it at home. A 15-20k home solar/battery set up would allow you to fully control your daily transportation need, as well as supply most of your home energy needs. Then you are untethered from the grid. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Originally Posted By MJ11B4P: Now the battery technology is a separate issue. Hydrocarbons allow you to remain untethered to the grid. A 15-20k home solar/battery set up would allow you to fully control your daily transportation need, as well as supply most of your home energy needs. Then you are untethered from the grid. Great in theory, but are there any EVs on the market that don’t require connection to the internet on a regular basis? I realize that this is likely going to be an issue with all new cars eventually. |
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Posted: Today 4:25:44 PM EST
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We fight wars for oil - it is subsidized quite a bit indirectly. Not that I really complain much - it has all but completely funded my retirement.
I like diesel - but lobbies hobble it at ever chance in the US. I do still have my VW Golf TDI. My main truck and my wife's Jeep are also diesel. I will most likely get an EV when I find one that fits in well enough with what I intend to use it for. Planning on putting enough solar on my new house that I will never pay to charge it at home. Of course, that house will also have a backup generator, and it will most likely be diesel... I don't have an option for NG, propane will be nearly impossible to refill in an emergency. Don't really see gas as a great way to power a generator with long term storage. Tired of winter blackouts - and they will only get worse. Will also put a high efficiency working wood burning heater in the house. Using solar or a generator to heat a house is just inefficient. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: Today 4:26:19 PM EST
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EVs are the Asian chick of cars. They're for someone, just not me.
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Posted: Today 4:26:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anesvick: I have no problem with EVs. I have a massive problem with the government telling me I have to have an EV. |
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USA
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Posted: Today 4:29:32 PM EST
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I like the idea of EVs and they have their place for city commuting, BUT . I am strongly against any EV mandates or this argument that they are somehow environmentally friendly.
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OR, USA
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Posted: Today 4:35:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mousehunter: We fight wars for oil - it is subsidized quite a bit indirectly. Not that I really complain much - it has all but completely funded my retirement. I like diesel - but lobbies hobble it at ever chance in the US. I do still have my VW Golf TDI. My main truck and my wife's Jeep are also diesel. I will most likely get an EV when I find one that fits in well enough with what I intend to use it for. Planning on putting enough solar on my new house that I will never pay to charge it at home. Of course, that house will also have a backup generator, and it will most likely be diesel... I don't have an option for NG, propane will be nearly impossible to refill in an emergency. Don't really see gas as a great way to power a generator with long term storage. Tired of winter blackouts - and they will only get worse. Will also put a high efficiency working wood burning heater in the house. Using solar or a generator to heat a house is just inefficient. How much does a giant solar setup cost? How many years of diesel and repairs would that pay for? What's an electric car cost? How many more years can you keep your diesel rigs going by the time you pay off an electric POS? I looked into solar for my house once when I bought it a few years back. With what I pay for power each year it was something like 15 years to break even. Wasn't worth it in any way. I have gas heat, gas cooking, gas water heater. At this point solar, electric vehicles, even electric yard equipment are not even worth my time to think about. |
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Posted: Today 4:38:16 PM EST
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I'm not anti EV.
I'm anti destroying the oil and gas companies and EV mandates. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: Today 4:40:12 PM EST
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panels are under $.50/watt so $5k for a 10kw array 1-2k$ for mounting
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Posted: Today 4:40:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Danus_ex: EVs are the Asian chick of cars. They're for someone, just not me. 
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Posted: Today 4:46:01 PM EST
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The in your face about it saving the planet, oh noes the carbon people are all Greta commies.
I'd buy a used Leaf as a 3rd vehicle, grocery getter, ferry the kids back and forth to school, etc. if I could get a deal on one. For a DD, plug in hybrids make the sense to me. Get 70-80 miles running around town/commuting on battery and then switch to gas for longer trips. |
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Posted: Today 4:48:13 PM EST
[Last Edit: mousehunter]
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I am currently paying about 7k a year for electricity. If I diy, panels are about 4k for 12kw (starting with 3-4 pallets) over the garage (those will not be the most efficient, but will give me a longer usable output (they are east/west facing). I could put another 2 pallets on the house south facing (better angle), but want to avoid putting them on the house initially. So I will be paying 12-16k for panels. I will need 3 inverter chargers to handle that - another 15k. Real cost is the batteries - which I will probably go cheap on for the time being. 4k for 15kw/h - will probably start out with 2 or 4 - so 8-16k (in reality, should really get 6 - 2 per inverter). 46k of parts - 35% tax credit - so 30k. Hair over 4 years payoff (if I diy).
That said, if I had the same system installed, it would be over 100k after the credit. Vehicle I am looking at should have vehicle to house - so in an emergency, I can borrow from its 140kw/h battery. That emergency would be a hurricane. If a hurricane hits our grid, I could be without power for more than 1 month. Diesel generator would get expensive, and would require more than weekly maintenance (normal service interval is 100hrs - every 4 days). Good thing, with the exception of Harvey - hurricanes generally don't linger - so solar could handle most of the load. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: Today 4:51:09 PM EST
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Lefties , with maybe 1 out of 10 being a cool person
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Posted: Today 4:51:16 PM EST
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By themselves, they're neutral. EV makes sense for a lot of people, and don't make sense for a lot of people. Buy that makes sense for you.
But the insane .gov push to move EVERYONE to them is definitely a leftist thing. |
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Posted: Today 4:52:05 PM EST
[Last Edit: California_Kid]
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They work well as daily short-haul commuter vehicles for some people, particularly those who A) can set up L2 charging at home and/or B) have L2 or better charging provided at work. I know two men who had free power provided at work for years. For them, the EV way was a no-brainer. (Both men also own gasoline-powered vehicles for road trips.)
I had a loaner EV for 10 days. Nice one, a Mercedes. I learned a lot in the experience, and it confirmed my suspicion that no presently available EV would be suitable for my life situation. ETA I frequently put over 100 miles on my daily driver per day. It goes over 400 miles on a full tank of 91 octane gasoline, and it takes only a few minutes to fill up. The loaner I had went only about 320 maximum between needed charges, which took more than 45 minutes if I could find an available charger. Cost to operate per mile was about the same as my current daily driver. |
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Posted: Today 4:53:46 PM EST
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I’d have an EV if I didn’t commute so far.
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Posted: Today 4:55:40 PM EST
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I’m neutral. EVs are great for golf carts or around-town short 3 mile grocery hops at max 30-40 mph. Try to design an EV for highway driving, towing, heavy loads, extremely hot or extremely cold, and they are thermodynamically dumb.
EVs are appropriate for “light duty” situations and use gas or diesel for the rest. |
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OK, USA
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Posted: Today 4:56:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Not necessarily. Gas is a finite available resource locally that can disappear in times of emergency, disaster, or even controlled with a "social credit score". On top of that, you can't make it at home. A 15-20k home solar/battery set up would allow you to fully control your daily transportation need, as well as supply most of your home energy needs. Then you are untethered from the grid. This is why I want an EV and a pile of solar panels. I could drive until my tires wear out, and I'd rather stock an extra set of tires than a relatively small amount gas and oil that will eventually go bad and not fuel the vehicle for many miles. |
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Posted: Today 4:58:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anesvick: I have no problem with EVs. I have a massive problem with the government telling me I have to have an EV. This. I know people on both sides of the political spectrum that have EVs. I don't care one way or the other, but I love my V8 truck  and I don't want anyone telling me what I can and can't drive.
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Posted: Today 4:59:44 PM EST
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An EV would meet 95% of my needs.
However, I can't afford another vehicle for that last 5% In a 2 car household, it makes perfect sense to have one EV commuter car and one traditional car for long trips. |
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Posted: Today 5:06:25 PM EST
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I personally love my Tesla. Model Y. With that said they should absolutely not be required by the government. There also shouldn’t be any tax incentives. EVs aren’t super practical everywhere and my wife still has her Ford Edge and I kept my F150. Towing requires an ICE vehicle. We bought the Tesla as a third vehicle and we trade off driving the Tesla depending on who drives more that day.
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Posted: Today 5:14:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anesvick: I have no problem with EVs. I have a massive problem with the government telling me I have to have an EV. So I voted neutral based on that; but I bet if you gave Chesty the options and raw information without the political bias attached to them he'd pick the most American made car out there by default; and that'd be a Tesla by a longshot. If you told him the top 4 places were Tesla's he'd of course go for one with the equivalent of 1000hp and 0-60 of 2 seconds because what red-blooded American wouldn't pick something that pulls like an Ox?!?! I bet he'd have a big honkin diesel 1-ton to go along with it though!  I think the biggest thing that has helped open minds on the right is alot of car guys have picked up powerful EV's as toys/experiments. That's me for sure as I own a crap-ton of cars already. Without a doubt I have more gas guzzling V8's in my stable than most, do multiple track events a year on multiple tracks in my V8 sports car yet still love digging into the accelerator on my Model S and wooshing by almost anything on the road at will. |
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Posted: Today 5:15:37 PM EST
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Neutral but lots of Libs jumped on them so they can virtue signal how more environmentally friendly they are.
EV are definitely the future but the battery tech is WAY off currently. |
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Posted: Today 5:18:17 PM EST
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create far more environmental damage then ICE engines
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Posted: Today 5:19:42 PM EST
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Neutral
I have no real problem with EVs, a ford lighting? No thanks A $20k model 3 to go to the grocery store? Absolutely A Prius? I wouldn’t turn one down I guess |
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Posted: Today 5:28:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradpierson26: Neutral I have no real problem with EVs, a ford lighting? No thanks A $20k model 3 to go to the grocery store? Absolutely A Prius? I wouldn’t turn one down I guess I don't see one in my future. But the new Priuses are not bad looking. 
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Posted: Today 5:33:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TripleC: Neutral but lots of Libs jumped on them so they can virtue signal how more environmentally friendly they are. Most of the people I know personally that jumped on them did it because their work offers free chargers, so they're essentially not paying for fuel at all. |
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NE, USA
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Posted: Today 5:34:03 PM EST
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Forcing EV's on the population by coercing manufacturer's into making EV's the focal point of their fleet is my main beef.
Trying to 'sell' EV's to the population by providing only information that supports their position of EV's is my second beef. |
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Posted: Today 5:35:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By IHTFP08: if they were that AMAZING, people would be out buying them on their own. They actually are pretty amazing. If you had a magic wand and could recharge in 3 seconds, they are actually far better than ICE cars in almost every way that matters. |
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Posted: Today 5:37:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JVD: They may be right for some people, I have no problem if people like their EVs. It is a tool to be used within its capability. The problem is our overbearing government is trying to fuck everyone over with mandates and laws that favor EVs when the technology and power grid just can't handle it. Yup |
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Posted: Today 5:37:52 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anesvick: I have no problem with EVs. I have a massive problem with the government telling me I have to have an EV. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anesvick: Originally Posted By Shoresy: Just curious what the prevailing stance on arfcom 2.0 is. Yes, they will be adopted if & when they are desired. |
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Posted: Today 5:40:44 PM EST
[#31]
EVs are great for urban commuters who have regular, clock-punching schedules and park in their garage or assigned parking every night with a convenient charger.
For everyone else, they’re mostly useless. |
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Posted: Today 5:45:26 PM EST
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Drive whatever you want. I just don’t want EV’s forced upon us in any way.
If I had to commute to work and generated my own power I’d love an electric vehicle in the stable. Sitting at a charging station? No fucking way. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: Today 6:27:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DeltaGunner7994: I personally love my Tesla. Model Y. With that said they should absolutely not be required by the government. There also shouldn’t be any tax incentives. EVs aren’t super practical everywhere and my wife still has her Ford Edge and I kept my F150. Towing requires an ICE vehicle. We bought the Tesla as a third vehicle and we trade off driving the Tesla depending on who drives more that day. Why not? It's not like the government paid me to buy the car, I'm just paying the government less one year. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: Today 6:30:24 PM EST
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Insert PT Barnum quote
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FL, USA
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Posted: Today 6:31:13 PM EST
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EV's are for suckers!
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Posted: Today 6:42:59 PM EST
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Cybertruck is 99.9% conservative.
Prius is 99.9% liberal. |
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Posted: Today 6:51:03 PM EST
[Last Edit: JustinU235]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By insider: EV's are for suckers! There's a guy at work that bought a Ford Lightning. 
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Posted: Today 6:52:47 PM EST
[#38]
Ask Elon.
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Posted: Today 6:53:46 PM EST
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Neutral, if it floats your boat and serves your purpose that's great, no issue.
What I'm against is government subsidies, and government mandates. |
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Posted: Today 6:54:44 PM EST
[Last Edit: _DR]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Danus_ex: EVs are the Asian chick of cars. They're for someone, just not me. They're for Asian chicks, as far as I can tell.  Attached File |
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USA
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Posted: Today 6:55:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PovertyPonies: This is why I want an EV and a pile of solar panels. I could drive until my tires wear out, and I'd rather stock an extra set of tires than a relatively small amount gas and oil that will eventually go bad and not fuel the vehicle for many miles. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PovertyPonies: Originally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Not necessarily. Gas is a finite available resource locally that can disappear in times of emergency, disaster, or even controlled with a "social credit score". On top of that, you can't make it at home. A 15-20k home solar/battery set up would allow you to fully control your daily transportation need, as well as supply most of your home energy needs. Then you are untethered from the grid. This is why I want an EV and a pile of solar panels. I could drive until my tires wear out, and I'd rather stock an extra set of tires than a relatively small amount gas and oil that will eventually go bad and not fuel the vehicle for many miles. That’s exactly how I see it |
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Posted: Today 6:58:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StromBusa: Yes, they will be adopted if & when they are desired. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StromBusa: Originally Posted By anesvick: Originally Posted By Shoresy: Just curious what the prevailing stance on arfcom 2.0 is. Yes, they will be adopted if & when they are desired. Yeah but that's not how politicians think. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: Today 7:00:54 PM EST
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I agree Tesla was just to get the tech for Mars. The siding with Trump may be nothing more then Democrats making things unstable got in the way of him getting off this primitive rock.
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USA
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Posted: Today 7:06:39 PM EST
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EV's like solar panels, and windmill farms are all Leftist alternate energy fake climate change mandated disasters, pushed into existence before their time.
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Posted: Today 7:09:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anesvick: I have no problem with EVs. I have a massive problem with the government telling me I have to have an EV. FPNI |
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Posted: Today 7:11:08 PM EST
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90% of my hauling horses around is in a 100 mile radius.
If I could get a dully that could pull 16-20k and I could recharge it on my own solar filed and forget about dealing with diesel I would be happy. I really think that is the way to go for ranchers who don't drive far but have to go out of their way to find diesel and or just are tired of dealing with diesels. |
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Posted: Today 7:30:59 PM EST
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I've liked the idea of EVs since I was a teenager.
It's not the 50s or 60s anymore. With few exceptions, style is gone. Now they are all utility vehicles. Sometimes an EV IS the best tool for the job and other times it's not. If I lived in town, I'd make my own, with an option for use as a whole house UPS. Living in the country, I want something with s 300+ mile range and almost instant energy replenishment. If my company paid for my energy usage for a 20K mile commute, it'd be silly not to get one. |
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Posted: Today 8:18:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anesvick: I have no problem with EVs. I have a massive problem with the government telling me I have to have an EV. This.... |
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FL, USA
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Posted: Today 8:20:21 PM EST
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F150 and a model 3. It is like having an ar10 and ar15. Different tools for different tasks.
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Posted: Today 8:29:41 PM EST
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It’s technology. It’s neutral.
Mandating it is what’s lefty. I have nothing against the technology. It’d actually be pretty neat if we had the infrastructure to support it. |
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