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Posted: 10/25/2019 3:42:31 PM EDT
[#1]
Page 2 says Edward Snowden deserves the Nobel Peace Prize.
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Posted: 10/25/2019 3:47:09 PM EDT
[#2]
Is this a millennial thread?
Because there's a lot of f@*^ up support for someone who clearly betrayed America's secrets 
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Posted: 10/25/2019 4:11:09 PM EDT
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Is this a millennial thread? Because there's a lot of f@*^ up support for someone who clearly betrayed America's secrets During the gulag days of the Soviet Union, most Russians who were wrongly imprisoned (nearly all of them) believed that “once Stalin finds out that you’re imprisoning me, an innocent person, you’re really going to get it!!” To whom should Snowden have aired his grievance? |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 4:17:42 PM EDT
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Mixed feelings. None of those poll options really match for me.
Good guy or bad guy, nothing he did excuses what the government did and is still doing to the American people. You don't get to wrap yourself in a shield of patriotism while you're using that cloak to violate the right of the people against unreasonable search. And yes, I think the framers would have been more explicit if they ever in a million years thought there was the possibility that the government could soak up millions of Americans' everyday communications and store them for later analysis of content. I'd be ok with Snowden going to prison. If James Clapper goes first. |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 4:19:55 PM EDT
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What is wrong with exposing America’s secrets about what it does to its own citizens without their knowing or consent or any legitimate constitutional authority? During the gulag days of the Soviet Union, most Russians who were wrongly imprisoned (nearly all of them) believed that “once Stalin finds out that you’re imprisoning me, an innocent person, you’re really going to get it!!” To whom should Snowden have aired his grievance? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is this a millennial thread? Because there's a lot of f@*^ up support for someone who clearly betrayed America's secrets During the gulag days of the Soviet Union, most Russians who were wrongly imprisoned (nearly all of them) believed that “once Stalin finds out that you’re imprisoning me, an innocent person, you’re really going to get it!!” To whom should Snowden have aired his grievance? He considered our cyber collection against Chinese industry and infrastructure to be “illegal,” though clearly it was not -in US Law. So he “aired that grievance” to the Chinese, by giving them the specific targets and their IP addresses. His other grievances he could have aired to the IG. |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 6:22:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We are in the majority, but that's not why we're right. What Snowden did had to get done. The problem is that it's still fucking going on. They're still spying on Americans without a court order. |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 6:41:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, I'd run if I couldn't get a fair trial from the government, too. |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 6:43:32 PM EDT
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There was very little he disclosed that foreign intelligence agencies weren't already aware of. Regular people were the only ones who didn't know. Because every first world intelligence agency does the same things. Some of the stuff involving federal law enforcement agencies using NSA, and the phone companies, to spy on Americans in what can only be described as massive fishing operations, probably needed to be exposed. |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 6:46:40 PM EDT
[#9]
Guy was a Russian/Chinese asset the entire time.
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Posted: 10/25/2019 6:50:29 PM EDT
[#10]
Traitor. His enablers can make all the excuse they want but it doesn't wash. He took documents he had no right to access and gave them to our enemies. Rot in hell because you are never coming back to this country, you traitor, Snowden.
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Posted: 10/25/2019 7:07:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What is wrong with exposing America’s secrets about what it does to its own citizens without their knowing or consent or any legitimate constitutional authority? During the gulag days of the Soviet Union, most Russians who were wrongly imprisoned (nearly all of them) believed that “once Stalin finds out that you’re imprisoning me, an innocent person, you’re really going to get it!!” To whom should Snowden have aired his grievance? |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 7:25:49 PM EDT
[#12]
he’s a patriot
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Posted: 10/25/2019 7:32:45 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We are in the majority, but that's not why we're right. What Snowden did had to get done. The problem is that it's still fucking going on. They're still spying on Americans without a court order. Yeah, guy's totally a hero. *golfclap* Excellent analysis. So accurate, very wow. |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 7:44:12 PM EDT
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Pretty sad anyone here would call the guy a traitor for exposing how the federal government is pissing all over our 4A rights. If you voted that way then think long and hard next time you say some shit about how you'd use your 2A rights to take on a tyrannical government. You'd clearly be a traitor.
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Posted: 10/25/2019 8:08:47 PM EDT
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Pretty sad anyone here would call the guy a traitor for exposing how the federal government is pissing all over our 4A rights. If you voted that way then think long and hard next time you say some shit about how you'd use your 2A rights to take on a tyrannical government. You'd clearly be a traitor. 
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Posted: 10/25/2019 9:38:43 PM EDT
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Wow,
I remember the vast majority here calling him a traitor, Russian spy, etcetera. Whats up. People just being people and making judgments about things that they know nothing about? |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 9:45:10 PM EDT
[#17]
Bad. Could have exposed what he did through legal means and instead became a communist puppet because he wanted attention. Typical millennial, not a hero.
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Posted: 10/25/2019 9:49:56 PM EDT
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I'm fine with him telling American citizens how they were being spied on...but I don't believe for a second that he did it out of patriotism...his actions were driven by his ego...nothing more.
I suspect that that anyone who works in the Intel community walks a fine line...knowing things that citizens probably ought to know...and living with the commitment to not ever disclose what you know. Not a job I would want. I understand why there are secrets...and the older I get the less I agree with most of the rationale for it. |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 9:51:15 PM EDT
[#19]
Listened to him on Rogan's podcast. I considered him a traitor before the podcast. I now consider him a hero.
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Posted: 10/25/2019 9:53:06 PM EDT
[#20]
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He chose to go there, the government canceling his passport only limits where he can go from there. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Actually, he brings up the fact that he didn't chose to be in Russia, he's stuck there. The US gov cancelled his passport while he was on his way through Russia to another country. He can't leave without a US passport. They are out to paint him out to be a spy-trador to ruin his word as doing what he did for this country. He did what he did to give the American people knowledge of what our government is doing to our rights. |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 10:05:33 PM EDT
[#21]
Fool and traitor or just a traitor.
So many gullible suckers, America is doomed |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 10:06:20 PM EDT
[#22]
Snowden is a throbbing anus.
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Posted: 10/25/2019 10:07:49 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The law provides a process and who to take your grievance to and not break the law. He chose to make his own laws. Screw him. He lied and deceived others to gain access to documents he had no security reason to access. He had no idea what he was accessing. To be blunt He was looking for dirt to make him famous not right a wrong. That was purely accidental. During the days of Stalin he threw all kinds of people in the Gulags, Criminals, christians, political enemies and people just for shits and grins. No one thought Stalin was a saint wanting to right wrongs. He was pure evil. 
And you’re wrong about how people felt about Stalin during his lifetime. Read a book. It certainly wasn’t everyone, but the majority entrapped in this system felt it was A mistake or corruption at the lowest levels, believing that Stalin was doing only what was best for Russia. |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 10:23:52 PM EDT
[#24]
Now I need to watch the podcast.
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Posted: 10/25/2019 11:20:04 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
he’s a patriot Russian patriots? |
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Posted: 10/26/2019 8:45:05 AM EDT
[#26]
Based Ed.
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Posted: 10/26/2019 8:48:34 AM EDT
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The law provides a process and who to take your grievance to and not break the law. Yeah, staying within the law works so well, he shoulda just done that like those other guys did. |
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Posted: 10/26/2019 9:13:21 AM EDT
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If there was a better way to release the info I think he would have done it. I don't know what I would have done if I found out something like that. Your a piece of shit traitor if you leak it, and you're a coward not standing up for the constitution if you don't.
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Posted: 10/26/2019 10:24:45 AM EDT
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The US knew what they were doing by canceling his passport. They are out to paint him out to be a spy-trador to ruin his word as doing what he did for this country. He did what he did to give the American people knowledge of what our government is doing to our rights. |
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Posted: 10/26/2019 10:32:38 AM EDT
[#30]
Traitor. Break him on the wheel.
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Posted: 10/26/2019 10:33:50 AM EDT
[#31]
Bad guy who did a bad thing that desperately needed to happen.
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Posted: 10/26/2019 10:38:30 AM EDT
[#32]
What Snowden did was treasonous and did irreparable harm to our national security efforts while helping our adversaries. What people focus on him exposing is merely window dressing.
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Posted: 10/26/2019 10:40:18 AM EDT
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IMO he wouldn't have run to our enemies if he was such a good guy. With all that you’re still naive enough to think he could have found safe harbor blowing the whistle on that machine? |
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Posted: 10/26/2019 10:43:18 AM EDT
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Bouncing off the JRE Snowden interview thread, what’s the hive consensus on Snowden now? Poll on the way... |
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Posted: 10/26/2019 10:50:26 AM EDT
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It really doesn't matter either way, fuck the feds with a rusty fucking pitchfork.
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Posted: 10/26/2019 10:52:32 AM EDT
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IMO he wouldn't have run to our enemies if he was such a good guy. |
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Posted: 10/26/2019 10:59:44 AM EDT
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It really doesn't matter either way, fuck the feds with a rusty fucking pitchfork. |
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Posted: 10/26/2019 11:01:13 AM EDT
[#38]
I read a theory somewhere that Snowden was/is a CIA asset working to damage the NSA in an internal power struggle.
 Attached File |
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Posted: 10/26/2019 11:08:53 AM EDT
[#39]
It's not that the whistleblowing was necessarily wrong, it is how he did it. He could have gone internally. Instead he gave it to our enemies, hurt our country, got our people killed. He must face the consequences for that.
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Posted: 10/26/2019 11:10:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We are in the majority, but that's not why we're right. What Snowden did had to get done. The problem is that it's still fucking going on. They're still spying on Americans without a court order. LOL!...yes, total BS and perhaps one of the issues that will bring the boogaloo eventually...or stop the boogaloo. Snowden's values and politics are bad. Shedding some light on the .gov shenanigans is good. He just could have done it in a...dare I say...more patriotic method. I think he's pretty much a commie, but even a commie can shed some light that needed shedding. |
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Posted: 10/26/2019 11:13:53 AM EDT
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It's not that the whistleblowing was necessarily wrong, it is how he did it. He could have gone internally. Instead he gave it to our enemies, hurt our country, got our people killed. He must face the consequences for that. |
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Posted: 10/26/2019 11:34:08 AM EDT
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Watched both movies about Snowden, and listened to the entire JRE podcast. I wish Joe would have asked him how he supports himself in Russia. Who pays for his living expenses, and why.
I still don't know whether he is a hero or a traitor. Or more definitively a hero, or a spy. The whole living in Russia at the pleasure of the Russian Gov't says a lot though. |
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Posted: 10/26/2019 11:35:10 AM EDT
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Common thief and a traitor. He got an Easter egg in his loot, that makes him no less garbage.
Hasn't changed a thing. That type of data collection can hardly be considered "spying" and far, far less intrusive than what tech companies do. |
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Posted: 10/26/2019 1:41:00 PM EDT
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Watched both movies about Snowden, and listened to the entire JRE podcast. I wish Joe would have asked him how he supports himself in Russia. Who pays for his living expenses, and why. I still don't know whether he is a hero or a traitor. Or more definitively a hero, or a spy. The whole living in Russia at the pleasure of the Russian Gov't says a lot though. There were/are methods for someone to come forward...he knew them, had been trained on them. Things people don't seem to consider (brought up in another thread)...why did he only go after the NSA's capabilities? Not other things he knew/worked on? Why weaken the NSA in favor of tools developed by the CIA? With all the whistle blower news why not follow that exact real procedure? I didn't realize that the whistle blower procedure was A) Leak documents B) Fly to the US's biggest economic competitor and share data with them and C) Fly to one of the biggest shit sitrrers and share data with them. Oh and then D) complain the US wants to prosecute you for being a whistle blower. |
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Posted: 10/26/2019 2:28:09 PM EDT
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If he’s not a traitor, what about all those he exposed. Are they traitors?
If he is a traitor, then those exposed are not traitors and freedom is redefined. Lets have a congressional vote on the 4A for laughs. |
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Posted: 10/26/2019 2:38:56 PM EDT
[#46]
He's a Bush hating Liberal Nut Job.
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Posted: 10/26/2019 2:58:28 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Watched both movies about Snowden, and listened to the entire JRE podcast. I wish Joe would have asked him how he supports himself in Russia. Who pays for his living expenses, and why. I still don't know whether he is a hero or a traitor. Or more definitively a hero, or a spy. The whole living in Russia at the pleasure of the Russian Gov't says a lot though. He also said he doesn’t do interview for Russia media because he wants to blend in more locally. |
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Posted: 10/26/2019 2:59:23 PM EDT
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IMO he wouldn't have run to our enemies if he was such a good guy. |
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Posted: 10/26/2019 3:15:12 PM EDT
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His other grievances he could have aired to the IG. You're smarter than this. |
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Posted: 10/26/2019 3:25:17 PM EDT
[#50]
If only Snowden would have emailed Obama, Hillary, Holder, or Brennan about the government corruption going on.
They would have put a stop to it! |
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