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Posted: 12/10/2018 10:54:30 AM EDT
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I'm not saying these types of things are easy to make, but I hear they are easy to make.
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Posted: 12/10/2018 11:03:57 AM EDT
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Why? A C2 can legally make them all day long. I know one who went out to his shop and made half a dozen DIAS just because he was bored. Same guy was making a G17 slide w/ the selector on the side like a G18. Also IN for the video. 
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Posted: 12/10/2018 11:19:46 AM EDT
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Interesting
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Posted: 12/10/2018 11:22:26 AM EDT
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Read thru the other thread linked above and you will see why mod staff do not want this type of tech data on the site. Also IN for the video. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why? A C2 can legally make them all day long. I know one who went out to his shop and made half a dozen DIAS just because he was bored. Same guy was making a G17 slide w/ the selector on the side like a G18. Also IN for the video. |
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Posted: 12/10/2018 12:00:34 PM EDT
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I read that thread. I understand why people are reluctant to talk about it, but the info is out there and in the case of a C2 it's legal. IMO as long as the discussion stays legal there's no reason to lock it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I read that thread. I understand why people are reluctant to talk about it, but the info is out there and in the case of a C2 it's legal. IMO as long as the discussion stays legal there's no reason to lock it. Originally Posted By tony_k
Please do not presume to tell me what those rules mean. I wrote them. And I (and other moderators) enforce them. When I was brought on as moderator of the then-single NFA forum on ar15.com in 2002, it was a time when the Department of Justice was investigating web sites that posted specific instructions on how to, among other things, convert semi autos to full-auto. I was brought on by this site's ownership with the specific mission of keeping ar15.com safe from any such government investigation or oversight. Thus, the NFA-specific rules. In the 16 years since then, I've had to delete a few dozen posts. I even had to ban one person. But the vast majority have understood those rules. As far as 07/02s go, I am a former manufacturer. My family still holds 07/02 licenses. While we welcome and encourage their input here, specific technical questions do not belong here, because we are a web site open to the public, good or bad. So we request that those conversations be taken to a web site which welcomes that info, or communicated by IM or email. There are bad people out there. We do not want their browser history to show an ar15.com page where they learned how to build an illegal, unregistered NFA item. Everyone is welcome here if they abide by these rules. But they will remain in force as long as ar15.com site ownership and staff remain committed to them. Thank you for your cooperation. The only reason the thread has lasted this long is due to it being on GD. |
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Posted: 12/10/2018 12:10:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why? It's legal. |
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Posted: 12/10/2018 12:11:58 PM EDT
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Is that some type of abortion?
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Posted: 12/10/2018 12:15:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably not. IF he has a sot he has 24 hours to register that. I doubt he is going to submit the paperwork thus this is illegal. |
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Posted: 12/10/2018 12:17:49 PM EDT
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You must have missed this part. Once again Id like to see a video of it attempting to run. But just wanted to let everyone know this is thin ice on arfcom and why try to get a ban from this place. Its awesome! The only reason the thread has lasted this long is due to it being on GD. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I read that thread. I understand why people are reluctant to talk about it, but the info is out there and in the case of a C2 it's legal. IMO as long as the discussion stays legal there's no reason to lock it. Originally Posted By tony_k
Please do not presume to tell me what those rules mean. I wrote them. And I (and other moderators) enforce them. When I was brought on as moderator of the then-single NFA forum on ar15.com in 2002, it was a time when the Department of Justice was investigating web sites that posted specific instructions on how to, among other things, convert semi autos to full-auto. I was brought on by this site's ownership with the specific mission of keeping ar15.com safe from any such government investigation or oversight. Thus, the NFA-specific rules. In the 16 years since then, I've had to delete a few dozen posts. I even had to ban one person. But the vast majority have understood those rules. As far as 07/02s go, I am a former manufacturer. My family still holds 07/02 licenses. While we welcome and encourage their input here, specific technical questions do not belong here, because we are a web site open to the public, good or bad. So we request that those conversations be taken to a web site which welcomes that info, or communicated by IM or email. There are bad people out there. We do not want their browser history to show an ar15.com page where they learned how to build an illegal, unregistered NFA item. Everyone is welcome here if they abide by these rules. But they will remain in force as long as ar15.com site ownership and staff remain committed to them. Thank you for your cooperation. The only reason the thread has lasted this long is due to it being on GD. |
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Posted: 12/10/2018 12:18:17 PM EDT
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Probably not. IF he has a sot he has 24 hours to register that. I doubt he is going to submit the paperwork thus this is illegal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Why? It's legal. |
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Posted: 12/10/2018 12:24:35 PM EDT
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Difference between my opinion and how they choose to operate. I understand why. I've seen the same thing when people talk about drilling the extra hole for the auto sear. C2s who wouldn't talk about dimensions to strangers, but among the right crowd you'd hear them laughing about how easy it was w/ the right dimensions. The libertarian / IT side of me says data like this should be free and disseminated, but I understand why people don't. |
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Posted: 12/10/2018 12:25:12 PM EDT
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You can do something similar with a small paper clip and certain handguns.. but most times it locks up when the trigger is released...
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Posted: 12/10/2018 12:29:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably not. IF he has a sot he has 24 hours to register that. I doubt he is going to submit the paperwork thus this is illegal. Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably not. IF he has a sot he has 24 hours to register that. I doubt he is going to submit the paperwork thus this is illegal. Quoted: Unbelievable. That has to be the most retarded thing I've ever read in GD. Section 7.3 Registering the manufacture of NFA firearms. A manufacturer qualified to engage in business under the GCA and NFA may make NFA firearms without payment of the making tax.112 However, the manufacturer must report and register each firearm made by filing with the NFA Branch an accurate notice of the manufacture on ATF Form 2, Notice of Firearms Manufactured or Imported, executed under the penalties of perjury.113 Appendix C contains a copy of Form 2. The NFA Branch’s receipt of the form effectuates the registration of the firearms listed on the form.114 See Section 7.4.6 on the manufacture of silencer parts. 7.3.1 Preparation of ATF Forms 2. The form and its contents are prescribed by ATF regulation.115 The regulation states that the form must set forth the name and address of the manufacturer, identify the manufacturer’s special tax stamp and license, and show the date of manufacture, the type, model, length of barrel, overall length, caliber, gauge or size, serial numbers and other marks of identification, and place where the firearms are kept. 7.3.2 Filing ATF Forms 2. All firearms manufactured during a single day must be included on one Form 2 and must be filed by the manufacturer no later than the close of the next business day. The manufacturer must prepare the form in duplicate, file the original with the NFA Branch, and keep the copy with the records required to be kept LINK |
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Posted: 12/10/2018 12:35:52 PM EDT
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I have no clue but he might be right. Section 7.3 Registering the manufacture of NFA firearms. A manufacturer qualified to engage in business under the GCA and NFA may make NFA firearms without payment of the making tax.112 However, the manufacturer must report and register each firearm made by filing with the NFA Branch an accurate notice of the manufacture on ATF Form 2, Notice of Firearms Manufactured or Imported, executed under the penalties of perjury.113 Appendix C contains a copy of Form 2. The NFA Branch’s receipt of the form effectuates the registration of the firearms listed on the form.114 See Section 7.4.6 on the manufacture of silencer parts. 7.3.1 Preparation of ATF Forms 2. The form and its contents are prescribed by ATF regulation.115 The regulation states that the form must set forth the name and address of the manufacturer, identify the manufacturer’s special tax stamp and license, and show the date of manufacture, the type, model, length of barrel, overall length, caliber, gauge or size, serial numbers and other marks of identification, and place where the firearms are kept. 7.3.2 Filing ATF Forms 2. All firearms manufactured during a single day must be included on one Form 2 and must be filed by the manufacturer no later than the close of the next business day. The manufacturer must prepare the form in duplicate, file the original with the NFA Branch, and keep the copy with the records required to be kept LINK Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Probably not. IF he has a sot he has 24 hours to register that. I doubt he is going to submit the paperwork thus this is illegal. Quoted: Unbelievable. That has to be the most retarded thing I've ever read in GD. Section 7.3 Registering the manufacture of NFA firearms. A manufacturer qualified to engage in business under the GCA and NFA may make NFA firearms without payment of the making tax.112 However, the manufacturer must report and register each firearm made by filing with the NFA Branch an accurate notice of the manufacture on ATF Form 2, Notice of Firearms Manufactured or Imported, executed under the penalties of perjury.113 Appendix C contains a copy of Form 2. The NFA Branch’s receipt of the form effectuates the registration of the firearms listed on the form.114 See Section 7.4.6 on the manufacture of silencer parts. 7.3.1 Preparation of ATF Forms 2. The form and its contents are prescribed by ATF regulation.115 The regulation states that the form must set forth the name and address of the manufacturer, identify the manufacturer’s special tax stamp and license, and show the date of manufacture, the type, model, length of barrel, overall length, caliber, gauge or size, serial numbers and other marks of identification, and place where the firearms are kept. 7.3.2 Filing ATF Forms 2. All firearms manufactured during a single day must be included on one Form 2 and must be filed by the manufacturer no later than the close of the next business day. The manufacturer must prepare the form in duplicate, file the original with the NFA Branch, and keep the copy with the records required to be kept LINK  It was a non working mock up kind of like putting the third hole 0.200 too far forward not technically a machine gun its just a hole...because it is non functioning.
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Posted: 12/10/2018 12:36:24 PM EDT
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We truly eat our own.
Lots of ppl willing to break out the rulebook at a second notice about things 99% of us already know Makes me think of the people at ranger that ask for a strangers tax stamp. |
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Posted: 12/10/2018 12:48:00 PM EDT
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I want to see it fire.
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Posted: 12/10/2018 12:49:21 PM EDT
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Except if what he posted does not work he did not manufacture it It was a non working mock up kind of like putting the third hole 0.200 too far forward not technically a machine gun its just a hole...because it is non functioning.The OP made a really really poorly designed tool for cleaning carbon out from around the lower and disconnector. |
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Posted: 12/10/2018 1:58:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I like it. The OP made a really really poorly designed tool for cleaning carbon out from around the lower and disconnector.    
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Posted: 12/10/2018 2:33:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/10/2018 2:37:07 PM EDT
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At least its not a gawd damned bump stock!
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Posted: 12/10/2018 3:44:06 PM EDT
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Some of y'all are wound way too tight.
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Posted: 12/10/2018 3:52:27 PM EDT
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 How to convert an AR 15 to full auto |
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Posted: 12/10/2018 4:12:43 PM EDT
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We truly eat our own. Lots of ppl willing to break out the rulebook at a second notice about things 99% of us already know Makes me think of the people at ranger that ask for a strangers tax stamp. Pretty sickening that people who call themselves gun owners will go out of their way to help enforce unconstitutional laws which will eventually lead to their own disarming. |
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Posted: 12/10/2018 4:29:49 PM EDT
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I know it can work.
I also know it's pretty difficult to engrave a manufacturer name and serial number on a piece of coathanger, in a way that is even remotely legible.
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Posted: 12/10/2018 4:32:21 PM EDT
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I know it can work. I also know it's pretty difficult to engrave a manufacturer name and serial number on a piece of coathanger, in a way that is even remotely legible. |
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Posted: 12/10/2018 4:37:26 PM EDT
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I love the bootlicking some of the people here do. The SOT is conducting his business as he sees fit and within the law for as far as anyone knows. Always good to experiment.
There was a recent Swiftlink thread in the NFA forum here... it would be fun to play with and tweak as a 02/07sot. |
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Posted: 12/10/2018 5:48:09 PM EDT
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Probably not. IF he has a sot he has 24 hours to register that or destroy it. I doubt he is going to submit the paperwork thus this is illegal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Why? It's legal. |
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Posted: 12/10/2018 6:15:49 PM EDT
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I know it can work. I also know it's pretty difficult to engrave a manufacturer name and serial number on a piece of coathanger, in a way that is even remotely legible. |
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Posted: 12/10/2018 6:22:58 PM EDT
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nice
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Posted: 12/10/2018 6:32:16 PM EDT
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What if he is just adding the wire to a registered reciever.... |
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Posted: 12/10/2018 6:36:12 PM EDT
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Yep. Pretty sickening that people who call themselves gun owners will go out of their way to help enforce unconstitutional laws which will eventually lead to their own disarming. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We truly eat our own. Lots of ppl willing to break out the rulebook at a second notice about things 99% of us already know Makes me think of the people at ranger that ask for a strangers tax stamp. Pretty sickening that people who call themselves gun owners will go out of their way to help enforce unconstitutional laws which will eventually lead to their own disarming. |
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Posted: 12/11/2018 10:59:31 AM EDT
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OP have you had a chance to try it yet?
Also wonder if a swift link could be 3D printed by a 07 and get to work? Seems like that would a cheap way for MFG to print up a link to do a few mag test on say a new suppressor design take the link out and smash when done. If all done in 1 day my guess would be no F2 paper work and you were able to test your suppressor/ muzzle brake design. |
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Posted: 12/11/2018 1:52:57 PM EDT
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OP have you had a chance to try it yet? Also wonder if a swift link could be 3D printed by a 07 and get to work? Seems like that would a cheap way for MFG to print up a link to do a few mag test on say a new suppressor design take the link out and smash when done. If all done in 1 day my guess would be no F2 paper work and you were able to test your suppressor/ muzzle brake design. But you I think you are right. If you needed a temporary testbed and had a reliable way of quickly makeing a couple of the links... Why put the wear and tear on something that has papers when you can uses a cheap lower and throwaway link. |
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Posted: 12/11/2018 2:00:11 PM EDT
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Interdasting..... A 3d printed swift link.....
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Posted: 12/11/2018 3:17:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The OP didn't build that. He just thought he'd share it because it was interesting. Don't shoot my dog. But you I think you are right. If you needed a temporary testbed and had a reliable way of quickly makeing a couple of the links... Why put the wear and tear on something that has papers when you can uses a cheap lower and throwaway link. 
Any word on how well it ran? |
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Posted: 12/11/2018 3:19:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry my bad on claiming you built that.
Any word on how well it ran? |
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Posted: 12/11/2018 3:35:33 PM EDT
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Try out the AK "lightning link" too, some time. Way better than relieving the rail and drilling the sear axis hole. https://i.imgur.com/etPKs2Q.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ic6yYkx.jpg https://i.imgur.com/irWMXwq.jpg 
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Posted: 12/11/2018 3:37:43 PM EDT
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I wish I was cool enough to even know wth this thread is about.
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Posted: 12/11/2018 3:52:32 PM EDT
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This New Year's Eve is going to be wild
Edit: Because I got a bunch of bottle rockets last time I was in Idaho. Not related to anything in this thread, sorry for the hijack. |
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Posted: 12/11/2018 3:54:48 PM EDT
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I wish I was cool enough to even know wth this thread is about. Its a rough copy of the swift link design and works by pushing the rear of the disconnector down when the M16 carrier closes and the trigger is pulled. If built correctly, it turns an off the shelf AR15 into a machinegun. |
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Posted: 12/11/2018 4:17:02 PM EDT
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This is why bullshit laws are bullshit, law abiding people will follow them. Everyone else says fuck it.
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Posted: 12/11/2018 10:26:39 PM EDT
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This is why bullshit laws are bullshit, law abiding people will follow them. Everyone else says fuck it. 
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Posted: 12/11/2018 10:58:40 PM EDT
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I bet there are a couple NFATCA members in this thread with all the ATF dick sucking going on...
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Posted: 12/11/2018 11:10:09 PM EDT
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What if he is just adding the wire to a registered reciever....
<- SOT |
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Posted: 12/19/2018 11:43:05 PM EDT
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https://youtu.be/oFyoDYDPFLU
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Posted: 12/19/2018 11:54:59 PM EDT
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It's a coat hangar machinegun conversion. When bent like that it's legally a machinegun and must be registered on a Form 2 by the licensed manufacturer. Its a rough copy of the swift link design and works by pushing the rear of the disconnector down when the M16 carrier closes and the trigger is pulled. If built correctly, it turns an off the shelf AR15 into a machinegun.
Oh and you are a god among men. |
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Posted: 12/20/2018 12:07:11 AM EDT
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https://youtu.be/oFyoDYDPFLU  Firing test of a DIAS made from a coat hanger |
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Posted: 12/20/2018 12:15:56 AM EDT
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It's not enough that I have to wear velcro shoes, now I have to fold all my laundry instead of hanging it in my closet.
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Posted: 12/20/2018 1:28:50 AM EDT
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That's awesome!
I'm curious about it's durability. Any plans to test how long it takes to get bent/broken to where it no longer works? |
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Posted: 12/20/2018 1:31:14 AM EDT
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That's awesome! I'm curious about it's durability. Any plans to test how long it takes to get bent/broken to where it no longer works? |
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