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Posted: 6/24/2023 8:02:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a "thing" about have two engines - especially for the US Navy, but the F16 is about as bullet proof as you can get and its a hell of a lot cheaper to build. I bet you could build 4 F16's for what it costs to build one F22 or F35 I like the greater capabilities and flexibility of newer designs, but quantity has a quality all of its own. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 8:05:39 PM EDT
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F-35 test pilot says F-16 is the funnest to fly.
 The Funnest Aircraft to Fly as a Fighter Pilot |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 8:48:13 PM EDT
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Let's see an F16 stay in the air after another pilot crashes into it and breaks off a wing, then land safely and be repaired to fly again.
Because an F15 did that. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 8:58:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/24/2023 9:01:17 PM EDT
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She can't tell her cooter from her butthole, much less be able to pass judgment on the relative merit of 4th generation fighter aircraft.
Her primary argument for the Viper is that it made a sonic boom that a lot of people heard. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 10:44:22 PM EDT
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Some kid overthrew a middle eastern dictator with one.
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Posted: 6/24/2023 10:55:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/24/2023 11:19:40 PM EDT
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I was at the Hill AFB Museum north of SLC UT yesterday and the placard in front of the F-16A on display (there were a couple, actually) said it was adopted in 1972. I didn’t realize type classification went that far back.
It IS a beautiful and capable design, even if it isn’t up-to-the-minute in the latest technology. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 11:31:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep Good PR program Shot down two Libyan turds. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Disagree, love the F-14 but it's a boat. Yep Good PR program Shot down two Libyan turds. Four. And an Iraqi helicopter. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 11:34:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was at the Hill AFB Museum north of SLC UT yesterday and the placard in front of the F-16A on display (there were a couple, actually) said it was adopted in 1972. I didn’t realize type classification went that far back. It IS a beautiful and capable design, even if it isn’t up-to-the-minute in the latest technology. Date is off. Pretty sure the YF-16 wasn’t flying yet in 1972, and I believe USAF service entry was 1979. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 11:35:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It seems to be a do everything well aircraft and isn't as expensive as others. Would love to see it one day with GPS sdbs and have it be able to be it's own effective grid square destroyer. GD group buy? |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 11:37:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/24/2023 11:42:15 PM EDT
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Hang a full load on it....
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Posted: 6/24/2023 11:42:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh bullshit. F22 and it’s not close. The F22 hasn't had the opportunity for combat like the f16. By the numbers the F22 is superior. I have been watching the grim reapers channel on YouTube and they do some interesting scenarios with all types of aircraft and it's really interesting. Check them out. Being a naval aviator you probably have some good critiques of what they do. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 11:47:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I got to watch this one in person a few weeks go. Really incredible to see up close.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2uZP0AmFLwWhen I was at C school at dwf the f16 factory would do their test flights on new F16s. Every car alarm would go off on the whole base. It was like our own private air show. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 1:59:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep Good PR program Shot down two Libyan turds. It did some good work in Iranian hands against Iraq, according to some. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 2:19:05 AM EDT
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In terms of cost in relation to maintainability, performance and mission capability, the 16 can’t be beat. The 15 and 22 are better platforms but cost is higher.
In regards to the 35, I would personally classify the plane as a 4.5 Gen aircraft. Horrible dogfighting capabilities and is not capable of super cruise. Hell, the French Rafale can do super cruise and it’s over 30 years old. Recent report stated that the B and C versions can not maintain sustained super sonic flight because structural damage would ensue. The 35 is the biggest defense acquisition failure in recent times. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 2:35:16 AM EDT
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F-16 is a cool bird, but it is no F-15.
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Posted: 6/25/2023 4:23:37 AM EDT
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Cool story bro...
Now leave your golf clubs at home and try landing that on a pitching deck of a carrier, at night, after a long flight, on bingo gas... FLY NAVY |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 4:31:54 AM EDT
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It's the Corolla of the skies but with worse fuel economy
 Need them to do CAS in Afghanistan? Oh wait, they need to hit the tanker (again) 
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Posted: 6/25/2023 4:44:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Depending on how the math is done, I’m pretty sure the late block F-16’s are just about the same cost, or damn near, what an F-35A is. Well….sure …the dealers/manufacturers always get you ….nickel and dime you on all the add-ons…. Corinthian leather seat(s). (For the D model) In dash 6 disc CD changer… Blu tooth capability… Back up cameras… And now adaptive cruise control….  |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 5:56:57 AM EDT
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F-16 is still my favorite.
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Posted: 6/25/2023 6:04:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryFuck, most of the planes with visible year-of-order numbers are close to my age. We really have almost-40-year-old front line jets? |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 6:10:33 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/25/2023 6:19:37 AM EDT
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I miss sonic booms
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Posted: 6/25/2023 6:24:27 AM EDT
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I grew up near Ft. Knox. I’m not sure why they flew supersonic jets out of an armory school, but they did. It always rattled the China cabinet
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Posted: 6/25/2023 6:38:05 AM EDT
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No one else grew up near me? 80s
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Posted: 6/25/2023 6:49:57 AM EDT
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I killed another thread
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Posted: 6/25/2023 7:07:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Arguing the best is fruitless without context. Of course the F-16 is a technologically advanced compared to the P-51. But the P-51 is technologically advanced compared to a Sopwith Camel. By the way, my favorite jet powered fighter is this one. Even though this particular one tried very hard to kill me. https://i.imgur.com/w28MAXx.jpg Thank you for saving this thread with common sense and a photo of the sexiest jet ever made Instead of the push button instant gratification while doing nothing generation of kids that have invaded this site. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 7:20:38 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/25/2023 7:22:57 AM EDT
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Thank you for not killing this thread
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Posted: 6/25/2023 7:55:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Four. And an Iraqi helicopter. And an Air Force Phantom. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 8:22:38 AM EDT
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AirweWollffe?
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Posted: 6/25/2023 8:53:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Too bad BULLF-16 can't be here for this party. @crownvic96 What happened to Bull? |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 8:59:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No one else grew up near me? 80s I remember them from the 70's and 80's in NWGA. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 9:07:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And an Air Force Phantom. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Four. And an Iraqi helicopter. And an Air Force Phantom. Haha, that’s right. Forgot about that one. What a cluster! |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 9:33:29 AM EDT
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It sure seems to be a good "enemy removal system" that fits our needs well.
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Posted: 6/25/2023 10:05:17 AM EDT
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Quote History"If looks could kill..." But they can't. The saying about the Viper has long been, "First in the swimsuit competition, last in the talent show." |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 10:05:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cool story bro... Now leave your golf clubs at home and try landing that on a pitching deck of a carrier, at night, after a long flight, on bingo gas... FLY NAVY The next time an air war is won by how well you can land on a boat, the US Navy is really going to kick ass. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 10:06:27 AM EDT
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I guess northern ga kept it quiet
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Posted: 6/25/2023 10:07:52 AM EDT
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Ft Knox was at its highest
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Posted: 6/25/2023 10:13:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Date is off. Pretty sure the YF-16 wasn't flying yet in 1972, and I believe USAF service entry was 1979. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I was at the Hill AFB Museum north of SLC UT yesterday and the placard in front of the F-16A on display (there were a couple, actually) said it was adopted in 1972. I didn't realize type classification went that far back. It IS a beautiful and capable design, even if it isn't up-to-the-minute in the latest technology. Date is off. Pretty sure the YF-16 wasn't flying yet in 1972, and I believe USAF service entry was 1979. First flight 20 January 1974; 49 years ago (unplanned) 2 February 1974; 49 years ago (official) Introduction17 August 1978; 44 years ago |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 10:15:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The F22 hasn't had the opportunity for combat like the f16. By the numbers the F22 is superior. I have been watching the grim reapers channel on YouTube and they do some interesting scenarios with all types of aircraft and it's really interesting. Check them out. Being a naval aviator you probably have some good critiques of what they do. I’ve fought all of them and while the F16 is really, really good, the Raptor is just in another galaxy. Almost alien like. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 10:17:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryI need to think about this but right now I think the top picture has the best paint scheme I’ve ever seen. It’s perfect. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 10:18:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The next time an air war is won by how well you can land on a boat, the US Navy is really going to kick ass. Not to worry, the next air war begins and there won’t be a place for either AF or Navy planes to land after they take off. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 10:29:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I grew up near Ft. Knox. I’m not sure why they flew supersonic jets out of an armory school, but they did. It always rattled the China cabinet They didn’t. Probably the KY ANG RF-4’s doing low level or other local ANG units using a range for bombing. I don’t think Knox has a long enough runway to do touch and goes… On topic: How many A2A kills does the F-16 have? I’m pretty sure the Israeli F-16’s got some Syrian kills. We probably got some in Iraq. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 10:30:48 AM EDT
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My problem with part of your argument in favor of the f16 is that it was used so prolifically in Iraq and Astan, but that's because of the numbers it was bought in and its relative low cost to use.
Literally anything could've done the job, but it's what we had. Blowing up mud huts in uncontested airspace doesn't make you the best. Furthermore, it's hard to say this about the F16 when it coexisted for almost its entirety alongside the F15, while the F16 was literally built to be a cheaper less capable version of the F15, while at the same time, the F15 has the numbers it has. If you're going to claim super high production numbers and a strongly linked low acquisition and operational cost, then ok, but cheap doesn't make something the "greatest". |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 10:31:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They didn’t. Probably the KY ANG RF-4’s doing low level or other local ANG units using a range for bombing. I don’t think Knox has a long enough runway to do touch and goes… On topic: How many A2A kills does the F-16 have? I’m pretty sure the Israeli F-16’s got some Syrian kills. We probably got some in Iraq. Bosnia too. Or Serbia. Or whatever Yugoslavia is. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 10:32:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My problem with part of your argument in favor of the f16 is that it was used so prolifically in Iraq and Astan, but that's because of the numbers it was bought in and its relative low cost to use. Literally anything could've done the job, but it's what we had. Blowing up mud huts in uncontested airspace doesn't make you the best. Furthermore, it's hard to say this about the F16 when it coexisted for almost its entirety alongside the F15, while the F16 was literally built to be a cheaper less capable version of the F15, while at the same time, the F15 has the numbers it has. If you're going to claim super high production numbers and a strongly linked low acquisition and operational cost, then ok, but cheap doesn't make something the "greatest". If that is the OP argument then it’s hard to argue against the Fishbed. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 10:33:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve fought all of them and while the F16 is really, really good, the Raptor is just in another galaxy. Almost alien like. I'm assuming you were in a Hornet during these exercises? |
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