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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:30:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By runfrumu:
They didn't shoot anyone over a matress. They shot him because he came at fattie sr with a ball bat. Thats like saying you shot someone over pumping gas if you shoot someone trying to rob and kill you at the gas station. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By runfrumu:
Originally Posted By Aimless: Molon Mattress. Thank God for guys like you willing to shoot someone over a mattress thrown into an alley dumpster. Toot toot! Too scared to list your state?  |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:30:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ske714: I see your problem. You think these two were defending themselves. That's where you are wrong. They were defending their right to stand by a dumpster. You see, defending yourself means to protect yourself from harm, physical, or otherwise. They did just the opposite, by allowing the confrontation to escalate to the the point that they had to shoot the guy. Now they are charged with murder. I consider that to be harmful to them. Rather than protecting themselves from harm, they actually caused themselves harm, that could have been prevented, had they actually defended themselves from it. So to say that they were defending THEMSELVES is bullshit. They were defending their dumpster. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:31:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hosphemer:
We see everything we need to. Guy with a bat moves towards gun guys (he starts in position A, body is in position B.) Killed by gun guys. The rest I couldn't give a fuck about. Don't advance on people with a weapon. If gun guys broke some other rules, then fine. But it's not murder. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hosphemer:
Originally Posted By WildBoar: No one here fucking knows anything from that video other then what it shows, way to many unanswered questions that only a trial will hopefully answer. Yet here we are. Like I said earlier, ALL of them are waterheads and I have no sympathy for any of them but I think we should be willing to see it from both sides accurately. Guy with a bat moves towards gun guys (he starts in position A, body is in position B.) Killed by gun guys. The rest I couldn't give a fuck about. Don't advance on people with a weapon. If gun guys broke some other rules, then fine. But it's not murder. So, be mindful when you are out and about. The world doesn't operate on what you care about LOL! |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:32:07 PM EST
[Last Edit: hosphemer]
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dipper: Well see that's just you. The legal system will give a fuck about the rest of what happened. So, be mindful when you are out and about. The world doesn't operate on what you care about LOL! |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:32:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By runfrumu: Dude, you're in NY. A chicken Mcnugget is probably considered a weapon there. You know damn well a baseball bat is a weapon. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:32:19 PM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By VBC:
Was that a Shockwave / TAC-14? Devastating. 
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:32:28 PM EST
[Last Edit: hosphemer]
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
So why are these heroes of good judgment sitting in a Texas jail? Do you even read before you shitpost? |
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USA
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:32:50 PM EST
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ske714:
I see your problem. You think these two were defending themselves. That's where you are wrong. They were defending their right to stand by a dumpster. You see, defending yourself means to protect yourself from harm, physical, or otherwise. They did just the opposite, by allowing the confrontation to escalate to the the point that they had to shoot the guy. Now they are charged with murder. I consider that to be harmful to them. Rather than protecting themselves from harm, they actually caused themselves harm, that could have been prevented, had they actually defended themselves from it. So to say that they were defending THEMSELVES is bullshit. They were defending their dumpster. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ske714:
Originally Posted By KingRollo:
Because defending you and yours is bad, right? You see, defending yourself means to protect yourself from harm, physical, or otherwise. They did just the opposite, by allowing the confrontation to escalate to the the point that they had to shoot the guy. Now they are charged with murder. I consider that to be harmful to them. Rather than protecting themselves from harm, they actually caused themselves harm, that could have been prevented, had they actually defended themselves from it. So to say that they were defending THEMSELVES is bullshit. They were defending their dumpster. |
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USA
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:35:28 PM EST
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The old man is 67. It should have been evident he didn’t have enough give-a-fucks left at that age to de-escalate. He was pretty calm throughout and never advanced in the video.
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IL, USA
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:38:48 PM EST
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:38:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hosphemer:
Oh? So there was no bat involved. Fascinating. It must have materialized from space. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hosphemer:
Originally Posted By ske714: I see your problem. You think these two were defending themselves. That's where you are wrong. They were defending their right to stand by a dumpster. You see, defending yourself means to protect yourself from harm, physical, or otherwise. They did just the opposite, by allowing the confrontation to escalate to the the point that they had to shoot the guy. Now they are charged with murder. I consider that to be harmful to them. Rather than protecting themselves from harm, they actually caused themselves harm, that could have been prevented, had they actually defended themselves from it. So to say that they were defending THEMSELVES is bullshit. They were defending their dumpster. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:39:09 PM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
So why are these heroes of good judgment sitting in a Texas jail? |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:39:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
A jury may very well conclude that the killing fatsos provoked ragecorpse, so no self defense. Wouldn't bet money either way since local people seem to see this as a pretty sensible Saturday morning in the backyard. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
Originally Posted By texasbagman:
You didn't miss anything. People in this thread are imagining all kinds of actions that never occurred. OrangeRage was completely out of control and completely wrong. Fatman and Tac14son may very well go to prison, but not because of the law. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:40:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hosphemer: They aren't. Unless there's another article you have, they were released. Do you even read before you shitpost? |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:40:41 PM EST
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:40:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ske714: The bat showed up late in the game, well into the altercation. Even then, it didn't prevent them from backing away. The dad said, "I'm standing my ground", when the idiot was raging in his face. That's fine, you do that. But don't pretend that that's the same thing as defending yourself. If your car is on fire, and the gas tank is about to blow, how would you defend yourself? Stand your ground? They 100% defended themselves from a guy with a bat. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:40:59 PM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By runfrumu: Getting arrested doesnt make you guilty of anything. 
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:41:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
Sorry, out on bail facing murder charges. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:42:12 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By beardog296:
Oh it all makes sense now. Orange shirt was trying to beat the dumpster to death with a bat. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By beardog296:
Originally Posted By ske714:
Originally Posted By KingRollo:
Because defending you and yours is bad, right? You see, defending yourself means to protect yourself from harm, physical, or otherwise. They did just the opposite, by allowing the confrontation to escalate to the the point that they had to shoot the guy. Now they are charged with murder. I consider that to be harmful to them. Rather than protecting themselves from harm, they actually caused themselves harm, that could have been prevented, had they actually defended themselves from it. So to say that they were defending THEMSELVES is bullshit. They were defending their dumpster. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:43:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hosphemer: Is there a duty to retreat in Texas? They're allowed to stand there. Guy threatened their life, then came at them with a bat. They 100% defended themselves from a guy with a bat. Do you read before you shit post?
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NC, USA
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:44:52 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hosphemer:
Nope, and when they don't get charged with murder ultimately (because it wasn't) I'm going to love to hear your take on what happened then. Corrupt jury? Conspiracy? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hosphemer:
Originally Posted By Dipper: Well see that's just you. The legal system will give a fuck about the rest of what happened. So, be mindful when you are out and about. The world doesn't operate on what you care about LOL! When one or both do get convicted , or when they make a plea deal , it is people like you that then say...... " it was politics " etc. etc. You seem to think that the dynamic duo is going to go skipping merrily down the yellow brick road....... LOL! They changed their lives over a garbage. You should start a Go Fund Me page for them. They are going to need it. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:46:54 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
No self defense if you provoke the dead guy before you shoot him Do you read before you shit post?Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
Originally Posted By hosphemer: Is there a duty to retreat in Texas? They're allowed to stand there. Guy threatened their life, then came at them with a bat. They 100% defended themselves from a guy with a bat. Do you read before you shit post? |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:49:07 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hosphemer:
Is there a duty to retreat in Texas? They're allowed to stand there. Guy threatened their life, then came at them with a bat. They 100% defended themselves from a guy with a bat. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hosphemer:
Originally Posted By ske714: The bat showed up late in the game, well into the altercation. Even then, it didn't prevent them from backing away. The dad said, "I'm standing my ground", when the idiot was raging in his face. That's fine, you do that. But don't pretend that that's the same thing as defending yourself. If your car is on fire, and the gas tank is about to blow, how would you defend yourself? Stand your ground? They 100% defended themselves from a guy with a bat. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:50:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ske714: You can't get hit with a bat if you're not there. And again, the bat didn't show up until the very end. There was plenty of time for them to actually defend themselves. By leaving. But, muh dumpster! I think the prosecutor will have difficulty getting murder convictions in Texas. Father/son duo would be in a much better financial position if they had walked/backed up to their own property. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:51:22 PM EST
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From the local (Abilene) paper:
A 37-year-old Abilene was shot to death Saturday morning in an apparent argument over trash in an alley. Police Chief Stan Standridge identified the victim as Aaron Howard. Howard was shot with both a handgun and a shotgun, and died at a local hospital. Arrested and charged with murder were a father and his son, John Miller, 67, and Micheal Miller, 31, neighbors of the victim. The shooting occurred about 10:17 a.m. Saturday in the 4300 block of Don Juan Street in west Abilene. Standridge said four, possibly five, people were involved in the confrontation. John Miller apparently was armed when he went to take out trash Saturday morning, and Michael Miller went back into the house to get a shotgun. Meanwhile another person went into Howard's house to get a baseball bat. Witnesses told police they heard as many as five shots. "Several days ago we believe the deceased and the Millers began arguing over trash in the alleyway," Standridge said. "This then triggered a back and forth between the neighbors, culminating in today's violence." Article I downloaded a couple pictures of the neighborhood where this happened. I'd guess some of those referring to these folks as white trash live in comparable neighborhoods. Zillo lists the mean price at ~$120k.  Attached FileThe alley behind those homes.  Attached FileNot quite a trailer park, eh? |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:52:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ske714: I see your problem. You think these two were defending themselves. That's where you are wrong. They were defending their right to stand by a dumpster. You see, defending yourself means to protect yourself from harm, physical, or otherwise. They did just the opposite, by allowing the confrontation to escalate to the the point that they had to shoot the guy. Now they are charged with murder. I consider that to be harmful to them. Rather than protecting themselves from harm, they actually caused themselves harm, that could have been prevented, had they actually defended themselves from it. So to say that they were defending THEMSELVES is bullshit. They were defending their dumpster. A) Shoot B) Take baseball bat to head before shoot C) Run back to California |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:52:35 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
So why are these heroes of good judgment sitting in a Texas jail? |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:53:55 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pcsutton:
Actually, they bonded out at $25k each. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:54:00 PM EST
[#29]
They were possibly on semi shaky ground, but when the evidence is displayed of orange shirts instability on his own social media and police interactions and mile long rap sheet, these guys are going to get off with nothing or a slap on the wrist at best.
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:54:14 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
No self defense if you provoke the dead guy before you shoot him Do you read before you shit post? |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:55:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dipper: They have already been charged with murder. I think what you are saying is...... when they don't get convicted of murder. When one or both do get convicted , or when they make a plea deal , it is people like you that then say...... " it was politics " etc. etc. You seem to think that the dynamic duo is going to go skipping merrily down the yellow brick road....... LOL! They changed their lives over a garbage. You should start a Go Fund Me page for them. They are going to need it. Not reading is a trait shared by the other people who believe people should allow people to beat them with a bat 
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:55:55 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dipper: Well see that's just you. The legal system will give a fuck about the rest of what happened. So, be mindful when you are out and about. The world doesn't operate on what you care about LOL! |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:56:17 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
No self defense if you provoke the dead guy before you shoot him Do you read before you shit post?May I ask. What were the goings on prior to this alley way Wyatt Burp and Fat Masterson shootout at the Golden Corral? What would have caused them to be armed? Dude has a history of Intermittent Explosive Disorder and unhinged ramblings on the book of faces. Plausible psycho Lurch had provoked the whole thing or had done worse prior to lot lizard grabbing the camera for the Texas sized stand off in the alley? |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:56:31 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
So why are these heroes of good judgment sitting in a Texas jail? |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:56:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ske714: But, they failed to defend themselves from having the rest of their lives ruined, so the way I see it, they failed to defend themselves. The guy with the bat, totally ruined them, and they stood there and let him. Tell me, what do you think their maim objective should have been? Defending their dumpster and their honor, or going home safe, and having another beer? |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:57:06 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pcsutton:
From the local (Abilene) paper: A 37-year-old Abilene was shot to death Saturday morning in an apparent argument over trash in an alley. Police Chief Stan Standridge identified the victim as Aaron Howard. Howard was shot with both a handgun and a shotgun, and died at a local hospital. Arrested and charged with murder were a father and his son, John Miller, 67, and Micheal Miller, 31, neighbors of the victim. The shooting occurred about 10:17 a.m. Saturday in the 4300 block of Don Juan Street in west Abilene. Standridge said four, possibly five, people were involved in the confrontation. John Miller apparently was armed when he went to take out trash Saturday morning, and Michael Miller went back into the house to get a shotgun. Meanwhile another person went into Howard's house to get a baseball bat. Witnesses told police they heard as many as five shots. "Several days ago we believe the deceased and the Millers began arguing over trash in the alleyway," Standridge said. "This then triggered a back and forth between the neighbors, culminating in today's violence." Article I downloaded a couple pictures of the neighborhood where this happened. I'd guess some of those referring to these folks as white trash live in comparable neighborhoods. Zillo lists the mean price at ~$120k. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/57642/John_Miller_Neighborhood-678524.JPG The alley behind those homes. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/57642/John_Miller_Alleyway-678531.JPG Not quite a trailer park, eh? |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:57:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost:
We all know there was plenty of time to leave, but was he legally required to leave? I think the prosecutor will have difficulty getting murder convictions in Texas. Father/son duo would be in a much better financial position if they had walked/backed up to their own property. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost:
Originally Posted By ske714: You can't get hit with a bat if you're not there. And again, the bat didn't show up until the very end. There was plenty of time for them to actually defend themselves. By leaving. But, muh dumpster! I think the prosecutor will have difficulty getting murder convictions in Texas. Father/son duo would be in a much better financial position if they had walked/backed up to their own property. Not to mention what it does for the argument in favor of the second amendment, stand you ground laws, etc. Everyone loses, because of these clowns. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:58:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
So if some retard says he'll kill you you do what? Stay there until it escalates to a shooting or you die of old age? What do you when he says "I'll kill you later Jeopardy is on" and goes back to his trailer? |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:58:35 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hosphemer: Is there a duty to retreat in Texas? They're allowed to stand there. Guy threatened their life, then came at them with a bat. They 100% defended themselves from a guy with a bat.
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:59:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
You understand that has nothing to do with the fact that they're still charged with murder, right? "*Insert factually incorrect statement.*" "That's not what happened." "*insert deflection, fail to address that you were factually incorrect and didn't even read the article*" Just admit it. You didn't read the article. There's no rule against shit posting here, right? You're an admin, you can admit it. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 2:59:10 PM EST
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Had they confronted that guy unarmed, he would have beat them both like a couple of mules. Those guys are pussies
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/21/2018 3:00:00 PM EST
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They'll plea to manslaughter at worst.
Father said "Fuck you! I'm Millwall!" Son said "Fuck you! I'm Millwall!" And they were indeed Millwall. Good riddance A-A-ron. That's a good shoot, an easy not guilty, and here, I brought cokes. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 9/21/2018 3:00:28 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Roost426:
They were possibly on semi shaky ground, but when the evidence is displayed of orange shirts instability on his own social media and police interactions and mile long rap sheet, these guys are going to get off with nothing or a slap on the wrist at best. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 3:00:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pcsutton:
From the local (Abilene) paper: A 37-year-old Abilene was shot to death Saturday morning in an apparent argument over trash in an alley. Police Chief Stan Standridge identified the victim as Aaron Howard. Howard was shot with both a handgun and a shotgun, and died at a local hospital. Arrested and charged with murder were a father and his son, John Miller, 67, and Micheal Miller, 31, neighbors of the victim. The shooting occurred about 10:17 a.m. Saturday in the 4300 block of Don Juan Street in west Abilene. Standridge said four, possibly five, people were involved in the confrontation. John Miller apparently was armed when he went to take out trash Saturday morning, and Michael Miller went back into the house to get a shotgun. Meanwhile another person went into Howard's house to get a baseball bat. Witnesses told police they heard as many as five shots. "Several days ago we believe the deceased and the Millers began arguing over trash in the alleyway," Standridge said. "This then triggered a back and forth between the neighbors, culminating in today's violence." Article I downloaded a couple pictures of the neighborhood where this happened. I'd guess some of those referring to these folks as white trash live in comparable neighborhoods. Zillo lists the mean price at ~$120k. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/57642/John_Miller_Neighborhood-678524.JPG The alley behind those homes. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/57642/John_Miller_Alleyway-678531.JPG Not quite a trailer park, eh? |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 9/21/2018 3:01:10 PM EST
[Last Edit: Roost426]
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/21/2018 3:01:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
You understand that has nothing to do with the fact that they're still charged with murder, right? They did put laughter in manslaughter though. I don't know how psycho Lurch didn't wind up laughing and walking away when the shirts came off. I'd have pointed, laughed, and walked away at that gross display of FUPA and man titties. That's some high speed low drag operator shit I tell you whut. Disorient the threat with man titties while openly bearing soft armor. I'd have laughed and said, nope. Fuck it. They're crazier than I am. Shirts off FUPA out. No fucks to give over there. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 3:01:53 PM EST
[Last Edit: hosphemer]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KingRollo:
Bro, he's from Ohio. Oh wait
Yea I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone. "WHY DID YOU SHOOT OVER XYZ!" is basically the liberal go to argument. They didn't shoot over trash, they shot because the guy came at them with a bat. The fact the two fat guys shouldn't have been out there is irrespective to fact they shot the man who charged them with a bat. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 9/21/2018 3:03:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KingRollo:
So whatever the fatties said and did justified dead guy to come at them with a baseball bat saying he's going to kill them? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KingRollo:
Originally Posted By Dipper: Well see that's just you. The legal system will give a fuck about the rest of what happened. So, be mindful when you are out and about. The world doesn't operate on what you care about LOL! You just want to concentrate on the last few seconds of the encounter when the total encounter will be looked at. It matters what took place throughout the event..... legally. If you think that all this amounts to is...... " the guy attacked him with a bat " and that's the end of it, you are mistaken. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 3:03:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hosphemer: I can tell you're a lawyer. "*Insert factually incorrect statement.*" "That's not what happened." "*insert deflection, fail to address that you were factually incorrect and didn't even read the article*" Just admit it. You didn't read the article. There's no rule against shit posting here, right? You're an admin, you can admit it. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 3:03:36 PM EST
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