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Posted: 9/20/2018 6:44:09 PM EST
[#1]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Towely:
Where did he get the bat from? Where was he when he dropped dead? After getting the bat he had to close distance with them unless his body teleported. It wouldn't surprise me if he didn't raise the bat and began to swing it while taking a step towards the father. Apparently, he lost his grip mid-swing as the bat ended up behind the father and son. Getting shot mid-swing might well cause that. |
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USA
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Posted: 9/20/2018 6:44:31 PM EST
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By akethan:
Confronting someone with guns isn't standing your ground. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By akethan:
Originally Posted By SCW: Ditto. They were completely non-threatening, just standing their ground. Other guy made repeated death threats. |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 6:44:35 PM EST
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Doom85:
Lol, stories like this make me appreciate my life. |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 6:49:18 PM EST
[#4]
Likely not going to have a repeat with same parties
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Posted: 9/20/2018 6:49:44 PM EST
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cincinnatus:
The world is now a better place. Asshole is dead. Fatties were given shirts that they HAVE to wear. White Trash lady learned a lesson. |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 6:49:51 PM EST
[#6]
Anyone know what county this is and what the county seat is? This should be good if they go to trial.
I can't believe the retired cop who shot the guy in the movie theater still hasn't been tried. |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 6:49:54 PM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dipper: Wasn't that public property or a common area? They don't get to tell someone to leave. If you don't like what is happening YOU leave....... fat asses had a choice to stay or leave but they can't tell people to leave public/common property. Just like LE can't tell you to stop filming on public property. In Texas, it may just be an easement and the original owner still has title to it, subject to the terms of the easement. That said, I've not seen many public easements which don't allow public use. Some private easements like pipeline right of way easements don't allow unfettered access by the public. |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 6:50:08 PM EST
[#8]
Likely not going to have a repeat with same parties
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Posted: 9/20/2018 6:50:10 PM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DmL5:
Who cares? They brought weapons into the confrontation before he did. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DmL5:
Originally Posted By 4thbreak:
Anyone notice the orange shirt dude throw the bat and hit the old shirtless guy after the first shots rang out? They brought weapons into the confrontation before he did. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 9/20/2018 6:51:43 PM EST
[#10]
You're not gonna shoot my husband 
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USA
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Posted: 9/20/2018 6:53:03 PM EST
[Last Edit: Pike]
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By andrewz71:
Don’t agree with how it was handled on both sides. Need more of the story, if they carry guns with them to discard an old mattress, good for them (sounds like they have been confronted before) If they do so shirtless and without a sling, or holster well that is kind of careless but not against the law. If they are discarding mattress illegally well that changes everything, but for them turning and running might be a death sentence literally, not only because of their weight but because that guy could chase them down and smash their heads in which he was threatening to do, and all this because they gave up the advantage. They didn’t point and shot tell the gap was closing and the bat was swinging kind of what it looked like any way. Again need more of the story to pass judgement. Son was kind of careless and might have instigated by swing the shotgun off his shoulder, but again need more details. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By andrewz71:
Originally Posted By akethan:
Originally Posted By SCW: Ditto. They were completely non-threatening, just standing their ground. Other guy made repeated death threats. Have you ever seen how ludicrously overloaded your neighbors' trash cans can be? Abilene requires folks to SHARE a single large trashcan. I know if non-conforming trash is in a trash can locally, they will not take ANY of the trash. So dad and son have to deal with a certified lunatic in order to have a place for household trash because psycho insists on repeatedly putting a mattress/bulky trash into the can? I hope the Abilene cops who have dealt with psycho previously let the DA know the background on the deceased. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 9/20/2018 6:53:12 PM EST
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Posted: 9/20/2018 6:53:47 PM EST
[#13]
Fucking fat people
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USA
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Posted: 9/20/2018 6:54:08 PM EST
[#14]
Well folks, if there is any positive light to this story, at least the guy that was shot was not black.
Otherwise this would have been on national news every day since and Lee "Not Licensed in Texas" Merritt would have left the Botham Jean family in the dust. |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 6:54:15 PM EST
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When azzho’s collide. The person with the cell phone should be locked up too for felony photography (vertical image) and failure to capture the action.
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Posted: 9/20/2018 6:54:36 PM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
Dead guy is last seen on camera at 1:20, fat dad starts shooting at 2:10 Where do you see him being handed a bat or see him advancing? Given the bat ended up down the alley behind the father and son, it stands to reason the dead guy was swinging it about the time he got shot. |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 6:56:13 PM EST
[#17]
Btw, if I wrote the report, i’d Write, “Death by dumpster.”
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Posted: 9/20/2018 6:58:05 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bama-Shooter: They will not be convicted. Not sure it will pass a Grand Jury. |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 7:01:50 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pesty:
Ok so that looks to me like self defence what am I missing the guy who was huge and in better shape than them could have kicked their arses. He said come within three feet I’ll shot he did he got shot not seeing an issue. Reasonable to belive an agitated man who advanced towards you is a threat? I think so. What state laws? |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 7:03:05 PM EST
[#20]
Sounds like the big guy armed up with a bat?
Then started getting up on them. That's all it takes to be a good shoot. |
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HI, USA
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Posted: 9/20/2018 7:06:03 PM EST
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Posted: 9/20/2018 7:07:39 PM EST
[#22]
This will be interesting to see how it shakes out. Good jury trial fodder, because based on the video, I don't know which side I am on.
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Posted: 9/20/2018 7:09:35 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SCW: Ditto. They were completely non-threatening, just standing their ground. Other guy made repeated death threats. |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 7:10:18 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
Anyone know what county this is and what the county seat is? This should be good if they go to trial. I can't believe the retired cop who shot the guy in the movie theater still hasn't been tried. If I was a betting man, I'd pick Taylor County as the courthouse for the trial. |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 7:11:43 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pcsutton:
Appears to be a bit more 'level-headed' now. |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 7:11:46 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
Anyone know what county this is and what the county seat is? This should be good if they go to trial. I can't believe the retired cop who shot the guy in the movie theater still hasn't been tried. |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 7:12:50 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TX03RUBI: You do realize they went looking for a fight? What other reason do they have to go to the alley shirtless, not concealed carrying, and weapons in hand? The weapons in hand show their intent of looking for an altercation. I agree that the dude escalated it, but you can’t start a fight then shoot the guy and call it self defense. |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 7:13:25 PM EST
[#28]
The repeated use of "Abilene Strong" in the press release makes me think that the entire town is destined for Wal-halla.
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Posted: 9/20/2018 7:14:30 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pcsutton:
The majority of Abilene is in Taylor County. Part of it is in Jones County, but that part of town is fairly new and is basically hotels and shopping venues along the interstate. If I was a betting man, I'd pick Taylor County as the courthouse for the trial. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/20/2018 7:18:38 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jodquist:
Gunned down by two sweaty shirtless fat guys by a dumpster. Entrance to Valhalla denied 
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USA
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Posted: 9/20/2018 7:19:03 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
Fat dad shot before he threw it Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
Originally Posted By spidey07:
He attacked armed men. He got shot. Good shoot. Once he threw the weapon lethal force is justified. If the idiot wife could film, I bet money that we'd see him throw it because fattie plugged him in the chest after he decided to be a hard ass and advance. He decided he wasn't as bad as previously thought and didn't want anymore. IMO the first shots by the dad were more than justified. The follow up with shotgun is the problem. Regardless, I wouldn't convict. World is better off without orange shirt. |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 7:20:36 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By j0eschm0:
When two dudes with guns tell you to get off their property... get the fuck off their property. Even if it isn't actually theirs. JFC, hate to say it, but the fucker that got smoked fucking BEGGED for it. So, they gave it to him. Zero Fucks Given. TrumpWrong.jpg |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 7:25:42 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TX03RUBI:
You do realize they went looking for a fight? What other reason do they have to go to the alley shirtless, not concealed carrying, and weapons in hand? The weapons in hand show their intent of looking for an altercation. I agree that the dude escalated it, but you can’t start a fight then shoot the guy and call it self defense. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TX03RUBI:
Originally Posted By SCW: Ditto. They were completely non-threatening, just standing their ground. Other guy made repeated death threats. In other words, do you have video of the initial confrontation that lead up to the limited video the rest of us have seen? |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 7:27:32 PM EST
[#34]
Jesus christ.
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Posted: 9/20/2018 7:27:50 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pike: The mattress was the deceased's. Have you ever seen how ludicrously overloaded your neighbors' trash cans can be? Abilene requires folks to SHARE a single large trashcan. I know if non-conforming trash is in a trash can locally, they will not take ANY of the trash. So dad and son have to deal with a certified lunatic in order to have a place for household trash because psycho insists on repeatedly putting a mattress/bulky trash into the can? I hope the Abilene cops who have dealt with psycho previously let the DA know the background on the deceased. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/20/2018 7:28:55 PM EST
[Last Edit: fargo007]
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TX03RUBI: Self defense doesn’t count when you go looking for a fight. Unless you can come up with some credible reason why they were shirtless in their alley with a pistol grip shotgun and pistol in hand when they just so happened to get in an altercation. Chances are they went out there to fuck with the guy and knew he wouldn’t react very well. They guns prove that intent. It’s not like captain lardass and son were concealed carrying a gun minding their own when deputy dickhead decided to pick on them. Keeping and bearing arms doesn't make them wrong. At all. You're saying that because they brought guns, by doing so they completely forfeited their right to defend themselves when attacked? What other acts would you have permitted the aggressor to do to them before in your mind they would have become justified in responding with a firearm? I can't believe that on a firearms site that people could take a position like this. You're saying it clearly that because they had guns, it proves they are murderers. Amazing. ETA - It's also highly likely that these two are charged because of what came out of their mouths, not what's on the video. Neither one looks intelligent enough to STFU and lawyer up. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 9/20/2018 7:29:46 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Roost426:
Out here in the sticks we would burn the mattress and have some beers, everyone could have been friends  
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Posted: 9/20/2018 7:30:44 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By beardog296: Put on your thinking cap for a minute. If the idiot wife could film, I bet money that we'd see him throw it because fattie plugged him in the chest after he decided to be a hard ass and advance. He decided he wasn't as bad as previously thought and didn't want anymore. IMO the first shots by the dad were more than justified. The follow up with shotgun is the problem. Regardless, I wouldn't convict. World is better off without orange shirt. Probably investigators already have it all pinned down with statements from the bystanders and the two shirtless dummies. |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 7:31:39 PM EST
[Last Edit: Pike]
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TX03RUBI:
I assure you that’s not the case in Abilene. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TX03RUBI:
Originally Posted By Pike: The mattress was the deceased's. Have you ever seen how ludicrously overloaded your neighbors' trash cans can be? Abilene requires folks to SHARE a single large trashcan. I know if non-conforming trash is in a trash can locally, they will not take ANY of the trash. So dad and son have to deal with a certified lunatic in order to have a place for household trash because psycho insists on repeatedly putting a mattress/bulky trash into the can? I hope the Abilene cops who have dealt with psycho previously let the DA know the background on the deceased. Are there crows in Abilene? Bags outside a can where I've lived get ripped to pieces and spread all over creation by crows. The Abilene trash rules are online. Abilene solid waste services |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 7:32:21 PM EST
[#40]
Maybe the fatsos could claim they were shooting at the hordes of bedbugs hopping out of the mattress towards their house and hit the dead guy by mistake.
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Posted: 9/20/2018 7:33:59 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TX03RUBI:
You do realize they went looking for a fight? What other reason do they have to go to the alley shirtless, not concealed carrying, and weapons in hand? The weapons in hand show their intent of looking for an altercation. I agree that the dude escalated it, but you can't start a fight then shoot the guy and call it self defense. You say 'they went looking for a fight'. Hell, the father went out to bring his trash receptacle into compliance with the local rules. I'm not seeing how that is looking for a fight. He was trying to follow the law. Given the fact that his next door neighbor had a stand-off with the cops a couple weeks earlier for threatening to shoot the mailman...he may have had an inkling of the lunatics' propensity for violence and stuck his holstered pistol in his waistband...just to be safe. That he went into the alley 'weapon in hand' is pure supposition on your part. The old guy has a holster in his waistband in the video. If I was going out to deal with a trash problem, knowing I could be attacked by the violent lunatic next door...I'd carry a gun too. Wouldn't you? The son fetched the shotgun when the lunatic came into the alley to confront the father over fixing the trash situation. He had every right to protect his family member. He may regret being stupid enough to trade insults, but that remains to be seen. I don't believe they went into the alley 'looking for an altercation' as you surmise. I do believe that knowing the lunatic was capable of starting an altercation as was his history, the father armed himself as a precautionary measure. It may have saved his life, and after all, isn't that why we all carry? |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 7:35:29 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
How much weight do you think a jury will give to the explanation of the off scene action when they have Fatso and Fatso 2 saying they're going to plug the guy for two minutes before plugging the guy? Maybe this, maybe that. They're two of the most unappealing Defendants you could get stuck with. Probably investigators already have it all pinned down with statements from the bystanders and the two shirtless dummies. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
Originally Posted By beardog296: Put on your thinking cap for a minute. If the idiot wife could film, I bet money that we'd see him throw it because fattie plugged him in the chest after he decided to be a hard ass and advance. He decided he wasn't as bad as previously thought and didn't want anymore. IMO the first shots by the dad were more than justified. The follow up with shotgun is the problem. Regardless, I wouldn't convict. World is better off without orange shirt. Probably investigators already have it all pinned down with statements from the bystanders and the two shirtless dummies. 
WTF....it's Texas Matlock! Of course they will walk... |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 7:37:06 PM EST
[#43]
The dad and son knew they were being recorded.
Their statements to investigators (if any) will be made with them already knowing there is a recording. |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 7:37:52 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4thbreak:
Just thought it was interesting he got shot by the shirtless dad and still was so enraged that he threw the bat. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4thbreak:
Originally Posted By DmL5:
Originally Posted By 4thbreak:
Anyone notice the orange shirt dude throw the bat and hit the old shirtless guy after the first shots rang out? They brought weapons into the confrontation before he did. |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 7:38:44 PM EST
[#45]
They all played stupid games, they all won stupid prizes.
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Posted: 9/20/2018 7:39:20 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 74novaman: Video didn’t film the start. You’re assuming an awful lot that isn’t shown. Dad goes out with pistol in pocket, crazy dude confronts, dad draws pistol, fat son goes to back up fat dad is equally possible and just as based in what we know as your assumption. You could be absolutely right. My money isn’t on it though. |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 7:39:28 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HoodyHoo21:
It was hard to tell, but I don't think the handgun was very effective here...could be a bad shot? The shotty is what ended the fight. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HoodyHoo21:
Originally Posted By 4thbreak:
Originally Posted By DmL5:
Originally Posted By 4thbreak:
Anyone notice the orange shirt dude throw the bat and hit the old shirtless guy after the first shots rang out? They brought weapons into the confrontation before he did. |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 7:41:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By frayedknot: During the summer, I walk around my house shirtless, barefoot and wearing gym shorts. Sometimes I may have a pistol in my pants. If a neighbor starts some shit, does that mean I’m looking for a fight? In other words, do you have video of the initial confrontation that lead up to the limited video the rest of us have seen? |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 9/20/2018 7:42:23 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Roost426:
What about Wal-halla??? Forgot who coined it in the other thread, but this guy could be the second accepted member Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Roost426:
Originally Posted By Jodquist:
Gunned down by two sweaty shirtless fat guys by a dumpster. Entrance to Valhalla denied back in the day it was a sorta deliverance lookin place too. so maybe he is there now. |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 7:42:58 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fargo007: It's totally possible that they were in fear of that rage monkey and chose to protect themselves against his known behavior. Keeping and bearing arms doesn't make them wrong. At all. You're saying that because they brought guns, by doing so they completely forfeited their right to defend themselves when attacked? What other acts would you have permitted the aggressor to do to them before in your mind they would have become justified in responding with a firearm? I can't believe that on a firearms site that people could take a position like this. You're saying it clearly that because they had guns, it proves they are murderers. Amazing. ETA - It's also highly likely that these two are charged because of what came out of their mouths, not what's on the video. Neither one looks intelligent enough to STFU and lawyer up. |
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