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Originally Posted By guns762: Update 10/6 Our day, yesterday, went well. We made room to start our C-130 build. Our flowers in the mural continue to grow. We had to take the elk down to fit the firefighter landscape tier up on the wall, so we will have to adjust the elk position a bit, and our mural will have to compensate a bit. https://i.imgur.com/GfNWWRQ.jpg The wallside antler hits the landscape tier, so we will raise the elk a few inches, and move it a bit to the left. https://i.imgur.com/ttBjsCE.jpg https://i.imgur.com/cQo2wkj.jpg Both tiers need cleaned up on the edges a bit more, and more stain. Getting them out of the 3D room for now was necessary to make room. We can also start some of the finer details that would get crushed if we put them on before we had them up on the walls. https://i.imgur.com/Mq5OS3r.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ywhjVM6.jpg https://i.imgur.com/HEv0H1a.jpg I'm liking where our blending is going here. We hope to add some orange and blue to the lower portion of the wall below the pile. https://i.imgur.com/Ism4uuq.jpg Our lumber for the spine of our C-130 and 2x2s to connect it to the bulkheads of our model aircraft. Im hoping we start to see some things coming together with this today. https://i.imgur.com/5NVsnSS.jpg View Quote Remember, measure twice, use proportional/scale ruler or dividers and triple check, then cut and fasten (with non-permanent adhesives until form is considered correct. We've had a lot of wing and/or empennage crops on some of these due to scanner/scale measurement wrong on most thing done, some worse than others. The wall displays are looking amazing, I'm really digging the red coals in the display as well as the nearly seamless transition to mural from 3D! |
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Originally Posted By guns762: Update 10/7 Frantic Friday Edition! I'm missing about half my crew today for away games in Volleyball, Football, and Cross-country. We are discussing where all the animals are going to go after we are done with the details. We are trying to make sure we don't end up covering up cool spots in our mural. https://i.imgur.com/QuK5QvC.jpg More burned trees on our blackened hillside. Our 4" 1/18th scale action figures that we were going to use as our hot shot crew disappeared during delivery and now shows not available from Amazon(we got a refund). We will have to find What we re-ordered today. https://i.imgur.com/S9dODv4.jpg They will be walking up this hillside. https://i.imgur.com/sVQzAMB.jpg https://i.imgur.com/4676h0W.jpg https://i.imgur.com/QheF70v.jpg Our rockmix finally showed up, so we can work on the bottom of our fire tier. https://i.imgur.com/L7oBXl6.jpg The stonework on the bottom of our tower is going pretty slowly. We are working on doing it a bit more efficiently. Hopefully we get this side done today. https://i.imgur.com/FGAce1a.jpg Our C-130 is still getting laid out. We started to place the bulkheads yesterday, but the beginning is slow, as we check to make sure each is in the right place, and the size is the right scale for the spot it is supposed to be. We had to adjust "B" already, as it was 1/4" too big all the way around. We think that happened because of the pixilation when projecting it up on the whiteboard to trace. The rest seem to be correct. We are going to mount this onto the wall, so we are using the same 45 degree cuts on the 2x6 and 2x4, so they mate and hold it to the wall. The 2x6 will be the plate mounted to the wall. The 2x4 will be our spine. We will probably screw them together so they do not warp over time while we work on them. https://i.imgur.com/AVdLtSy.jpg View Quote For the wall mural paint, is that all Sherwin Williams tints, or is the muralist mixing RYB with earth tones to get the various colors? That's like a LOT of paint put down. Very cool stuff! |
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The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
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Originally Posted By brass: For the wall mural paint, is that all Sherwin Williams tints, or is the muralist mixing RYB with earth tones to get the various colors? That's like a LOT of paint put down. Very cool stuff! View Quote Most of it is just combinations of Sherwin Williams paints we have on hand, but the flowers are being painted with our artists acrylics. The sky/smoke and ground colors are all just combinations of various SW tints from past projects. There is Marine Once green in there, as well as John Deere green. We use some of the schools wall color paints as well. I know where they are stored, so we help ourselves to the various oranges, blues, greens, and whites. |
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Originally Posted By guns762: Most of it is just combinations of Sherwin Williams paints we have on hand, but the flowers are being painted with our artists acrylics. The sky/smoke and ground colors are all just combinations of various SW tints from past projects. There is Marine Once green in there, as well as John Deere green. We use some of the schools wall color paints as well. I know where they are stored, so we help ourselves to the various oranges, blues, greens, and whites. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By brass: For the wall mural paint, is that all Sherwin Williams tints, or is the muralist mixing RYB with earth tones to get the various colors? That's like a LOT of paint put down. Very cool stuff! Most of it is just combinations of Sherwin Williams paints we have on hand, but the flowers are being painted with our artists acrylics. The sky/smoke and ground colors are all just combinations of various SW tints from past projects. There is Marine Once green in there, as well as John Deere green. We use some of the schools wall color paints as well. I know where they are stored, so we help ourselves to the various oranges, blues, greens, and whites. That's pretty awesome. I was just thinking of the cost of project updates and the lack of a bunch of digits worth of the paint you're going through faster than wood or Blick art board. Glad it's not Tempera Poster Paint. |
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The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
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Guns, at the rate your kids build airplanes, have you ever thought about sneaking in a LSA build kit and just claiming that's the project this year?
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Death to quislings.
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Tag. Don't know how I missed this for the last six weeks.
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Just waiting for the t-shirts...
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Originally Posted By guns762: And this was just cool, and thought I should share. Nice scratchboard done by one of my better young artists. https://i.imgur.com/f8iMtGV.jpg View Quote That is amazing. I would frame that and hang it up in my house. |
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Parent: (looking around) Mr guns, you look like you've got another terrific project going on. But I have just one question.
Mr Guns: Yeeessss? Parent: Can my boy rivet? |
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Originally Posted By Mak_380: Parent: (looking around) Mr guns, you look like you've got another terrific project going on. But I have just one question. Mr Guns: Yeeessss? Parent: Can my boy rivet? View Quote I imagine there might be a few chances for practicing rivets on our C-130. Seems the PSAT testing is going to take about half of my crew away today. |
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Originally Posted By armoredman: How about seeing if you can get a mixture of red and black T shirts to put the design on? As in, almost a tie dye… View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By armoredman: Originally Posted By guns762: I need to get us started on that soon. I think we are getting far enough along to get some inspiration for designs. How about seeing if you can get a mixture of red and black T shirts to put the design on? As in, almost a tie dye… Hey, I'm all for you guys making some designs and posting them up. I'll show them to students and we can build off of them. |
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Originally Posted By guns762: Hey, I'm all for you guys making some designs and posting them up. I'll show them to students and we can build off of them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By armoredman: Originally Posted By guns762: I need to get us started on that soon. I think we are getting far enough along to get some inspiration for designs. How about seeing if you can get a mixture of red and black T shirts to put the design on? As in, almost a tie dye… Hey, I'm all for you guys making some designs and posting them up. I'll show them to students and we can build off of them. How many colors are we limited to while keeping price in sane zone? |
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Originally Posted By guns762: 2 colors, plus the shirt color for contrast is probably the best for cost, but 3 might work. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By brass: How many colors are we limited to while keeping price in sane zone? 2 colors, plus the shirt color for contrast is probably the best for cost, but 3 might work. A lot could be done with red and yellow on a black shirt, or some red/orange-yellow/black on a grey shirt. 2 colors on grey could end up looking pretty bad unless some of the colors were dithered like the X-Wing above to let grey shine through giving a visual 3rd color while sticking with just two (like Dark red and yellow maybe? Hard to not throw black in and black T-shirts don't sell as well. |
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The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. |
Originally Posted By brass: A lot could be done with red and yellow on a black shirt, or some red/orange-yellow/black on a grey shirt. 2 colors on grey could end up looking pretty bad unless some of the colors were dithered like the X-Wing above to let grey shine through giving a visual 3rd color while sticking with just two (like Dark red and yellow maybe? Hard to not throw black in and black T-shirts don't sell as well. View Quote Grey is the sweet spot in that regard |
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Bravery will take you into the most dangerous of places. Overwhelming firepower will see you safely through them. ~ The Book of Cataclysm
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T-shirts in the color of the smoke jumper's bunker gear. That pale, buff, yellow.
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Life is about choices.
If you make a mistake once, it's a mistake. You make the same mistake again, that's a choice. |
Originally Posted By guns762: Hey, I'm all for you guys making some designs and posting them up. I'll show them to students and we can build off of them. View Quote maybe, if kept PG, incorporating some A-26 tanker nose art? just some examples I found from fore service A-26s Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File This one's association is tenuous, but pretty wicked looking Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Papposilenus: maybe, if kept PG, incorporating some A-26 tanker nose art? just some examples I found from fore service A-26s https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/179834/4F7780F7-92FD-4DD7-A902-6BA62A277915_jpe-2562306.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/179834/B7B1BBA6-93B3-48A2-8A47-0B542CC4BD3E_jpe-2562307.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/179834/0009237D-90F8-4A2A-8E99-C871EC7430BC_jpe-2562308.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/179834/95906484-974B-4E3B-8E99-82C220419BDA_jpe-2562310.JPG This one's association is tenuous, but pretty wicked looking https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/179834/B0E16810-EED0-4CC2-B7B2-D089D6679C90_jpe-2562311.JPG View Quote That's a good idea. I'll make a note for the students. |
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Just like Real Life. Measure twice, cut once, and then get out the board stretcher!
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"He should have killed me. I would have killed me."
For God and Country: Geronimo! Geronimo! Geronimo! Michael Moore: Trump’s election is going to be the biggest Fuck You ever recorded in human history….And it will feel good. |
We are still adjusting our forest fire tier in colors on the rocks, but we are ever closer to done, if I can keep my students from adding more texture after we remove some of it. We have a slight disagreement about texture in some areas, and my leadership tends to do their own thing when I leave the room for a bit, then don't even bother to come up with an excuse, other than.....we did what we want. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By armoredman: You're teaching them to think outside the box, lead from the front, and show initiative...plus the age old adage, "it's better to ask forgiveness than permission!" View Quote As much problems as it can cause, I do like seeing them do exactly this. Great bunch of kids to work with. |
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Originally Posted By guns762: +$60 for plexiglass and 1/8" dowel _______________________________________ $1440.00 as of 10/3/22 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By guns762: + $40 for 3" wood screws today _____________________________________ $1380.00 as of 9/13/22 +$60 for plexiglass and 1/8" dowel _______________________________________ $1440.00 as of 10/3/22 + $60.00 for drywall anchors and 20lb fishing line _______________________________________ $1500.00 total as of 10/19/22 |
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Originally Posted By guns762: Update 10/19 We have a group of administrators from around the state(NCAA visit) coming through today. It's always fun to watch the reaction on their faces when they see the displays for the first time, and the chaos in my classrooms as it happens. We are realizing where are problems are in our initial fuselage frame are. We did not see how square the back end of the C-130 gets after the aft portion of the wing root; maybe even somewhere in-between the start and finish of the root. With the frames up to the beginning of the tail, it's more obvious of our problem areas. We are fixing them one bulkhead at a time. We had to cut off some of the mounting plate and add a section of 2x2 and a 1/2" plate to our tail, so we can get it up above where the bottom of the tail ends. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense typing it out, but you will understand with the coming pictures. https://i.imgur.com/Mc5ha8I.jpg https://i.imgur.com/gk47rOQ.jpg https://i.imgur.com/NqRorny.jpg Checking for continuity of line across the top. https://i.imgur.com/W4VvzIE.jpg Creating the squareness of the bottom of the frames near the beginning of the cargo door on the aft of the plane. Not having a CAD drawing to do this is not great, but it does make the students work to see all of the minor differences in contour lines. https://i.imgur.com/zpPDje2.jpg We still need to adjust the second to last frame. We think there is too much material on top, and not enough on the bottom. https://i.imgur.com/WKmDAPl.jpg https://i.imgur.com/uHGO4JI.jpg We are leaving these areas open at the top, so we can drive the 6" construction screws into the mounting plate. https://i.imgur.com/aEeK896.jpg More paint on our murals, and above the firefighter tier. https://i.imgur.com/q5XaiAO.jpg Our creek bed. Eventual 3D elements will be added here, after we get the otters back up where we feel they need to be. I bought new anchors yesterday so we can move things around a bit on the wall https://i.imgur.com/o9wQoMU.jpg Blending the close up areas of our mural to distant images is a challenge to the students. I remind them that this is more symbolic or poetic, than pure realism, and the transitions can be less realistic if needed. https://i.imgur.com/OOHzske.jpg We are slowly finishing the corner above where our hotshot crew will be. They got reordered, and might be here by the end of the month. Maybe. https://i.imgur.com/9VRBhvF.jpg View Quote Excellent shading for 3D/illumination effects on the rocks in creek bed on mural! Very cool to see that amount of mixing for individual rock shading at mural scale. Very talented wall painters you grew this year! How much did they practice on baskets of eggs and geometric solids in their art classes prior to the mural? |
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The high tail of the C-130 (and most other modern cargo aircraft) comes from paletizing cargo, and the C-130 tail has to be high enough for a truck to back up to the loading ramp and roll pallets directly from the truck into the plane. The C-130 can also lower the ramp all the way to the ground and drive on small vehicles or even light artillery. Compare this to pictures of airmen loading C-47s in the 2nd WW, box by individual box.
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Originally Posted By backbencher: The high tail of the C-130 (and most other modern cargo aircraft) comes from paletizing cargo, and the C-130 tail has to be high enough for a truck to back up to the loading ramp and roll pallets directly from the truck into the plane. The C-130 can also lower the ramp all the way to the ground and drive on small vehicles or even light artillery. Compare this to pictures of airmen loading C-47s in the 2nd WW, box by individual box. View Quote Trivia that would make a good "Did you know" screen on the display summary/build tour tablet on a little pedestal there. Not sure about anchoring a pole to the concrete to hold a tablet though, that might be going too far. |
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The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
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Originally Posted By brass: Trivia that would make a good "Did you know" screen on the display summary/build tour tablet on a little pedestal there. Not sure about anchoring a pole to the concrete to hold a tablet though, that might be going too far. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By brass: Originally Posted By backbencher: The high tail of the C-130 (and most other modern cargo aircraft) comes from paletizing cargo, and the C-130 tail has to be high enough for a truck to back up to the loading ramp and roll pallets directly from the truck into the plane. The C-130 can also lower the ramp all the way to the ground and drive on small vehicles or even light artillery. Compare this to pictures of airmen loading C-47s in the 2nd WW, box by individual box. Trivia that would make a good "Did you know" screen on the display summary/build tour tablet on a little pedestal there. Not sure about anchoring a pole to the concrete to hold a tablet though, that might be going too far. We've been running into a little pushback from the district admin and tech teams on installing our displays. I think we got approval to get one installed, and see if it works as we are hoping. My principal has been doing his best to get these installed. It's not a building level problem that we are running into. |
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Originally Posted By guns762: We've been running into a little pushback from the district admin and tech teams on installing our displays. I think we got approval to get one installed, and see if it works as we are hoping. My principal has been doing his best to get these installed. It's not a building level problem that we are running into. View Quote Do we need to make 87 phone calls? B/c we can make 87 phone calls. |
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Originally Posted By backbencher: Do we need to make 87 phone calls? B/c we can make 87 phone calls. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By guns762: We've been running into a little pushback from the district admin and tech teams on installing our displays. I think we got approval to get one installed, and see if it works as we are hoping. My principal has been doing his best to get these installed. It's not a building level problem that we are running into. Do we need to make 87 phone calls? B/c we can make 87 phone calls. Lets not do that. That would be bad. My principal will get it done, I think we just need a little more time. I hope. |
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Originally Posted By guns762: Lets not do that. That would be bad. My principal will get it done, I think we just need a little more time. I hope. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By guns762: We've been running into a little pushback from the district admin and tech teams on installing our displays. I think we got approval to get one installed, and see if it works as we are hoping. My principal has been doing his best to get these installed. It's not a building level problem that we are running into. Do we need to make 87 phone calls? B/c we can make 87 phone calls. Lets not do that. That would be bad. My principal will get it done, I think we just need a little more time. I hope. Evil is not conquered by kind words and good will something something. Maybe have one of the more detail oriented students make a labeled map of the administration building? You could reprint it and hand it out to ALL the art students as an example of how to do detailed work. |
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Maybe have your Juniors come in over the summer & remove the dropped ceiling? Would give y'all a lot more room.
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Originally Posted By guns762: Update 10/24 We have begun laying out our smokejumpers cloud platform. This will hold our motor and axle for reeling up and down our action figure smokejumpers. https://i.imgur.com/6RyuvGA.jpg We moved things around in our display area so we could get the mounting plates up for our forest fire tier installed. We need to get some paint up there before we the tier put up on the wall, but I'm hoping we get that done today. https://i.imgur.com/PSg436n.jpg More work on our mural details. https://i.imgur.com/o1vtRJE.jpg https://i.imgur.com/uWReCYd.jpg With the forest fire tier about ready to go up, we started messing with more 3D flames to attach to the trees. He's heating up the lexan, then pulling it with tweezers to get his desired shape and form. https://i.imgur.com/KauK8ca.jpg Our tail contour is looking pretty good. We are going to define it a bit more, then start reinforcing it in areas where the rudder should be. https://i.imgur.com/Xd6ewEV.jpg View Quote Third photo down on left side reminds me of this hilltop: |
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The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. |
Any design ideas for t-shirts yet or are is it still too far out?
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Dammit, how could I be late again this year!'
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"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition" - Rudyard Kipling
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Originally Posted By brass: Third photo down on left side reminds me of this hilltop: https://i.imgur.com/SKhzq1w.jpg View Quote |
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Originally Posted By armoredman: And there is the idea for the Easter Egg - buried in the painting of that spot is a very small Charlie Sheen waving his AK.... View Quote Charlie Sheen????? You need to look closer at that picture... It's a fun idea, but I'm not sure it would go over well with everyone. |
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