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Posted: 9/28/2022 6:49:21 PM EDT
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Update 9/28
Homecoming Week is a bit crazy, and starting new projects in the middle just adds to the fun.  Some people ask, "what happens to the old projects?" For the last 2 weeks we have been working the door of the Marine One helicopter. We think a sensor might have gotten knocked loose, or the springs on the chain tensioner wore out, but the door mounts that were 3D printed broke and the door darn near fell off. We had to remake draw the original mounts as we never did get a copy of the file(we tried). We reprinted the mounts and this week we reinstalled them. Getting the door and all its moving parts up and in the track is no small feat. I did some of the work as I've had to do it before, but several students helped and both said...."thst sucked!" It's a highly complicated set up. I use it as a learning tool, that simplified and easily repaired are very important to our designs.The new Dremel made modifying the new prints much easier.  We are also busy working in the F22. We have a line guide drawn up and are working on fabricating the mount for making the Raptor tip its wings. We are also still working on wiring and an order of operations for programming. We have stalled a bit on our tower, but that is because of critiquing and starting new projects.  Our second wood pile is now close to finished and up on the wall for display. We will touch up spots and work to integrate a te the mural into it the rest of this week.   We can't decide on orange or red for the color.      Mural details are still growing.  I took this yesterday before she went back in and redefined the dark areas of the moon. It looks much better. I'll get photos tomorrow. I think she I close to finished.  Our smokejumper "Sparks" is getting his ink.    More tomorrow! 
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Posted: 9/28/2022 7:08:04 PM EDT
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I think you may want to consider some way of "glassing" off your tower stairwell. Maybe box it in with some thin plexiglass or the like. Otherwise, you're going to wind up with students leaving all sorts of garbage on the landings. Cups, water bottles, gum wrappers, etc.
I'd also suggest that it be easy to open, because someone is going to find a way to get something in there through whatever seam there is and you'll want to be able to get it out. |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 8:36:25 PM EDT
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Good point
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Posted: 9/28/2022 10:21:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By redoubt: I think you may want to consider some way of "glassing" off your tower stairwell. Maybe box it in with some thin plexiglass or the like. Otherwise, you're going to wind up with students leaving all sorts of garbage on the landings. Cups, water bottles, gum wrappers, etc. I'd also suggest that it be easy to open, because someone is going to find a way to get something in there through whatever seam there is and you'll want to be able to get it out. Too many of the art students have excavators on the homestead for that to happen. But some scaled trash, particularly if a scaled bear cracked open the garbage cans and then started climbing the stairs to escape the smoke?
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Posted: 9/28/2022 11:40:12 PM EDT
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What is the translucent material over the LED strips to show the glowing coals diffused?
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Posted: 9/29/2022 7:47:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass: What is the translucent material over the LED strips to show the glowing coals diffused? Dropcloth plastic. I don't remember what mm. Not the thinnest, somewhere in the middle. |
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Posted: 9/29/2022 7:49:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Too many of the art students have excavators on the homestead for that to happen. But some scaled trash, particularly if a scaled bear cracked open the garbage cans and then started climbing the stairs to escape the smoke? We talked about details around the tower...... That's not a terrible idea. I'll look for a 1/12th scale bear.
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Posted: 9/29/2022 8:13:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: We talked about details around the tower...... That's not a terrible idea. I'll look for a 1/12th scale bear.For those of you who don't follow these threads, there is at least some potential for a student making an epic bear when they can't find one pre-made that is the right scale, or don't like the ones they do find. You should tag this epic thread. |
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Posted: 9/29/2022 8:24:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: guns762]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TX_M1: For those of you who don't follow these threads, there is at least some potential for a student making an epic bear when they can't find one pre-made that is the right scale, or don't like the ones they do find. You should tag this epic thread. Hmmmm, a ceramic birds project is something I've taught before. We might be able to get a flock of various small bird sculptures(life size) to place around the display, or a 1/12th scale bear. |
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Posted: 9/29/2022 10:20:15 AM EDT
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Awesome
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Posted: 9/29/2022 2:09:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: We talked about details around the tower...... That's not a terrible idea. I'll look for a 1/12th scale bear.Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By backbencher: Too many of the art students have excavators on the homestead for that to happen. But some scaled trash, particularly if a scaled bear cracked open the garbage cans and then started climbing the stairs to escape the smoke? We talked about details around the tower...... That's not a terrible idea. I'll look for a 1/12th scale bear.What are the odds of a student climbing the first level to get a picture of himself being cool? How repairable is the superstructure? |
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Posted: 9/29/2022 3:16:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass: What are the odds of a student climbing the first level to get a picture of himself being cool? How repairable is the superstructure? Hasn't been a problem so far on other projects that provide ample opportunity for similar behavior. I'm not worried about trash being thrown in the tower. It might happen, but there are so many other places in the displays for similar problems, that worrying about it on this one is kind of pointless. Students respect the projects for the most part, and we have very little problem with that kind of thing. |
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Posted: 9/29/2022 3:16:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Hasn't been a problem so far on other projects that provide ample opportunity for similar behavior. I'm not worried about trash being thrown in the tower. It might happen, but there are so many other places in the displays for similar problems, that worrying about it on this one is kind of pointless. Students respect the projects for the most part, and we have very little problem with that kind of thing. Several students started ceramic mountain song birds today.
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Posted: 9/29/2022 4:51:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Frank_B]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: ....But some scaled trash, particularly if a scaled bear cracked open the garbage cans and then started climbing the stairs to escape the smoke? THIS! With several other animals, pronghorn, elk, muley, etc. "Friends in a crisis" scenario. |
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Posted: 9/29/2022 4:55:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Frank_B: THIS! With several other animals, pronghorn, elk, muley, etc. "Friends in a crisis" scenario. Top it off with a shadowy Smokey The Bear in the background... |
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Posted: 9/29/2022 6:31:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By armoredman: Top it off with a shadowy Smokey The Bear in the background... Something for the nerds. (I think it's funny, because I'm a nerd.)  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/29/2022 8:27:29 PM EDT
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I had to look that one up - I haven't played D&D since 1979.
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Posted: 9/30/2022 9:41:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By armoredman: Top it off with a shadowy Smokey The Bear in the background... We are working on a "Smokey The Bear" thing. Not sure how we will do it. There are calls to move our baby black bear, but I'm not wild about that right now. He looks great under the locomotive. We will see what happens. Maybe a sculpture. |
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Posted: 9/30/2022 9:51:57 AM EDT
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Update 9/30
Homecoming Friday- The wackiness will be much, and the weather is wet.  I love what my painters are doing with our creek bed scene. The rocks are really starting to pop. We are also in the beginnings of making 3D rocks to go with them.   Our moon clock is done and ready to hang back up.   We have the tower supports cut, and they were getting stained yesterday. We will install them, once we take the tower down to the display and set it around the pole.  Some "glass" is up, but we need to hire some window cleaners.   Our models are much closer to finished. We are waiting on CAD to scan our C-130 so we can finally get this show on the road.   Our smokejumpers have more personal details.    We began blending the woodpile to the background yesterday, and touching up some spots.  
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Posted: 9/30/2022 9:56:24 AM EDT
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Nice updates!
Thanks! |
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Posted: 9/30/2022 10:11:00 AM EDT
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Rocks: exist all over the planet from boulders to baseball sized to pebbles.
Guns: Not good enough. Make rocks out of styrofoam. Your grade depends on making fake rocks more real than real rocks.
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Posted: 10/1/2022 2:45:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Update 9/28 Homecoming Week is a bit crazy, and starting new projects in the middle just adds to the fun. Some people ask, "what happens to the old projects?" For the last 2 weeks we have been working the door of the Marine One helicopter. We think a sensor might have gotten knocked loose, or the springs on the chain tensioner wore out, but the door mounts that were 3D printed broke and the door darn near fell off. We had to remake draw the original mounts as we never did get a copy of the file(we tried). We reprinted the mounts and this week we reinstalled them. Getting the door and all its moving parts up and in the track is no small feat. I did some of the work as I've had to do it before, but several students helped and both said...."thst sucked!" It's a highly complicated set up. I use it as a learning tool, that simplified and easily repaired are very important to our designs.The new Dremel made modifying the new prints much easier. https://i.imgur.com/pzJZrD6.jpg We are also busy working in the F22. We have a line guide drawn up and are working on fabricating the mount for making the Raptor tip its wings. We are also still working on wiring and an order of operations for programming. We have stalled a bit on our tower, but that is because of critiquing and starting new projects. https://i.imgur.com/0X49dWd.jpg Our second wood pile is now close to finished and up on the wall for display. We will touch up spots and work to integrate a te the mural into it the rest of this week. https://i.imgur.com/XlO7hhw.jpg https://i.imgur.com/5RHb3ph.jpg We can't decide on orange or red for the color. https://i.imgur.com/zAlhN1w.jpg https://i.imgur.com/wT8iOb4.jpg https://i.imgur.com/KrxSP22.jpg https://i.imgur.com/e7P9zkY.jpg https://i.imgur.com/c1wJbx5.jpg Mural details are still growing. https://i.imgur.com/oLO4l4K.jpg I took this yesterday before she went back in and redefined the dark areas of the moon. It looks much better. I'll get photos tomorrow. I think she I close to finished. https://i.imgur.com/y3Y7etC.jpg Our smokejumper "Sparks" is getting his ink. https://i.imgur.com/OOymlQh.jpg https://i.imgur.com/sFpb023.jpg More tomorrow! What sort of paints is she using for that great rendition? Don't tell me you gave her bottles of red, yellow, and blue then get to work on it. That's something a sadistic art teacher would try. |
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Posted: 10/1/2022 2:51:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Update 9/28 Homecoming Week is a bit crazy, and starting new projects in the middle just adds to the fun. Some people ask, "what happens to the old projects?" For the last 2 weeks we have been working the door of the Marine One helicopter. We think a sensor might have gotten knocked loose, or the springs on the chain tensioner wore out, but the door mounts that were 3D printed broke and the door darn near fell off. We had to remake draw the original mounts as we never did get a copy of the file(we tried). We reprinted the mounts and this week we reinstalled them. Getting the door and all its moving parts up and in the track is no small feat. I did some of the work as I've had to do it before, but several students helped and both said...."thst sucked!" It's a highly complicated set up. I use it as a learning tool, that simplified and easily repaired are very important to our designs.The new Dremel made modifying the new prints much easier. https://i.imgur.com/pzJZrD6.jpg We are also busy working in the F22. We have a line guide drawn up and are working on fabricating the mount for making the Raptor tip its wings. We are also still working on wiring and an order of operations for programming. We have stalled a bit on our tower, but that is because of critiquing and starting new projects. https://i.imgur.com/0X49dWd.jpg Our second wood pile is now close to finished and up on the wall for display. We will touch up spots and work to integrate a te the mural into it the rest of this week. https://i.imgur.com/XlO7hhw.jpg https://i.imgur.com/5RHb3ph.jpg We can't decide on orange or red for the color. https://i.imgur.com/zAlhN1w.jpg https://i.imgur.com/wT8iOb4.jpg https://i.imgur.com/KrxSP22.jpg https://i.imgur.com/e7P9zkY.jpg https://i.imgur.com/c1wJbx5.jpg Mural details are still growing. https://i.imgur.com/oLO4l4K.jpg I took this yesterday before she went back in and redefined the dark areas of the moon. It looks much better. I'll get photos tomorrow. I think she I close to finished. https://i.imgur.com/y3Y7etC.jpg Our smokejumper "Sparks" is getting his ink. https://i.imgur.com/OOymlQh.jpg https://i.imgur.com/sFpb023.jpg More tomorrow! I'm behind on this but on every display that is robotic, include a thumb drive in an easy to access location containing • project electronic schematic • real world wiring / power / signal diagram for modules • the CAD/CAM drawing files • overview of how it works with a PDF file So that anybody could get it back to working in a blink without having to re-design stuff.. These should be things you already have around with the exception of an "as built" mechanical and electronics diagrams and verbiage (especially to explain sometimes odd choices made during the build phase which had to be modified for reliability) Then fixes like the above to Marine 1 or programming F22 would be a snap, relatively anyway since you're keeping the institutional knowledge alive via thumb drive. |
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Posted: 10/1/2022 3:02:45 AM EDT
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That makes me think of a tablet wired into the display that when activated shows the story behind the smokejumpers and the fire, historical reference as it were.
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Posted: 10/1/2022 8:12:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By armoredman: That makes me think of a tablet wired into the display that when activated shows the story behind the smokejumpers and the fire, historical reference as it were. I've been talking to our principal reminding him about the displays. We are working on it.
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Posted: 10/1/2022 8:16:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass: I'm behind on this but on every display that is robotic, include a thumb drive in an easy to access location containing • project electronic schematic • real world wiring / power / signal diagram for modules • the CAD/CAM drawing files • overview of how it works with a PDF file So that anybody could get it back to working in a blink without having to re-design stuff.. These should be things you already have around with the exception of an "as built" mechanical and electronics diagrams and verbiage (especially to explain sometimes odd choices made during the build phase which had to be modified for reliability) Then fixes like the above to Marine 1 or programming F22 would be a snap, relatively anyway since you're keeping the institutional knowledge alive via thumb drive. We do have thumb drives with that sort of info on the Space Shuttle, Locomotive, and Marine One.......but some of the 3D printed stuff did not get put on them. We will try to fix that . I have files with most of the info on my computer, in case we need it quickly, but again, some CAD and 3d prints thst were done outside of school never got turned in. 
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Posted: 10/1/2022 10:17:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: brass]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: I have files with most of the info on my computer, in case we need it quickly, but again, some CAD and 3d prints thst were done outside of school never got turned in. Dammit Jim!1 Don't you realize that issues like that are what cause intrusive bureaucracies to be born? 2 years from now you'll need to submit stamped architectural drawings, project plan, and approval letter from building maintenance guy and the janitor, in addition to all teachers in earshot do not object to the full plan (see attachment 14-C) and it'll be Christmas before anything goes beyond a fanciful dream since kids are learning Microsoft Project and Powerpoint just to be able to argue their side of things. 1 *star trek ref in event your name is Jim |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 5:00:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: + $40 for 3" wood screws today _____________________________________ $1380.00 as of 9/13/22 +$60 for plexiglass and 1/8" dowel _______________________________________ $1440.00 as of 10/3/22 |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 8:34:03 PM EDT
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Update 10/3
Very busy day today. We ran into a problem with our plans for 3D scanning our C-130, to then slice the drawing and use the CNC machine to cut out the slices. We are going to have to do it by hand again. We did find a somewhat decent drawing with contour slices. Not enough, but we can create the rest using out 1/48 scale model.     I'm thrilled with rock painters.   Still working to blend the 3D wood pile into the mural.  We are working on more railing details and the rest of our windows.  |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 9:34:09 PM EDT
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And a bear.
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Posted: 10/3/2022 9:42:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: And a bear. Bear and several other birds were started today. 
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Posted: 10/3/2022 10:54:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/3/2022 11:08:08 PM EDT
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That’s really Awesome. A++ work so far.
*Been a Wildland Firefighter for the Forest Service on various types of Crews the last 10 years. Should let the Wildland firefighter foundation know what your doing bet they’d be stoked to share that with the community |
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Posted: 10/5/2022 9:27:10 AM EDT
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Update 10/5
More rocks have been painted. We need to get our landscape tier into the corner soon, as we already are going to have some work covered by the tier, and I don't want them to paint details that will get covered over. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B094RJ41WY/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&th=1 We are close to ready to attach these displays to the walls. We will then add finer details that will get crushed if we do them now. There will probably be some blending of colors in the landscape to make the walls and 3D tiers match.   This blending of the background to the wood pile seems to be going well. I'm liking what I'm seeing so far.  Our ceramic mountain birds ......  This young man is just trying to piss me off with the flicker..... they put holes in my cabin and he knows it.   This is the base of our tower. We are perfecting our method right now.  More railings. I think they are all done with them, and are finishing up the glass on the top before we go down to install the tower around the pole.  Finishing up "Sparks556" ink.  Beard, and hair color will happen today.  Some work on our fireman's face. We are getting there. Making the beard out of clay is a steep learning curve. It will come together as she gets more confident with it.  We are cutting out our frames and bulkheads for the C-130. Once we have these few, we should be able to start figuring out the rest. We had a slight 1/48 scale C-130 crash yesterday.  We need to fix a few things, mostly propeller blades.  And this was just cool, and thought I should share. Nice scratchboard done by one of my better young artists.  |
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Posted: 10/5/2022 9:27:38 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/5/2022 10:32:52 AM EDT
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New walk around video of the display area.
We are planning on getting up one of the landscape tiers today. We need to make room for the C-130 build.  Firebomber and Smokejumpers display area |
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Posted: 10/5/2022 10:43:01 AM EDT
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I didn't notice any
I'm amazed at how much you have done, so far. I think the investors should be pleased. |
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Posted: 10/5/2022 4:13:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Update 10/5 More rocks have been painted. We need to get our landscape tier into the corner soon, as we already are going to have some work covered by the tier, and I don't want them to paint details that will get covered over. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B094RJ41WY/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&th=1 We are close to ready to attach these displays to the walls. We will then add finer details that will get crushed if we do them now. There will probably be some blending of colors in the landscape to make the walls and 3D tiers match. https://i.imgur.com/IBQQVKm.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Bc4XXnD.jpg This blending of the background to the wood pile seems to be going well. I'm liking what I'm seeing so far. https://i.imgur.com/FSEErgA.jpg Our ceramic mountain birds ...... https://i.imgur.com/bEHxVpM.jpg This young man is just trying to piss me off with the flicker..... they put holes in my cabin and he knows it. https://i.imgur.com/PiptKnI.jpg https://i.imgur.com/SyYoMI1.jpg This is the base of our tower. We are perfecting our method right now. https://i.imgur.com/mHTspYN.jpg More railings. I think they are all done with them, and are finishing up the glass on the top before we go down to install the tower around the pole. https://i.imgur.com/JV1mvpc.jpg Finishing up "Sparks556" ink. https://i.imgur.com/w2mUk1s.jpg Beard, and hair color will happen today. https://i.imgur.com/VcTn1H0.jpg Some work on our fireman's face. We are getting there. Making the beard out of clay is a steep learning curve. It will come together as she gets more confident with it. https://i.imgur.com/TBFUFm2.jpg We are cutting out our frames and bulkheads for the C-130. Once we have these few, we should be able to start figuring out the rest. We had a slight 1/48 scale C-130 crash yesterday. We need to fix a few things, mostly propeller blades.https://i.imgur.com/x8wuPmc.jpg And this was just cool, and thought I should share. Nice scratchboard done by one of my better young artists. https://i.imgur.com/f8iMtGV.jpg Is scratchboard like Pen and Ink, but inverted? I've been hearing about it more and more lately, seems to have become a fad during Covid, along with white Gel pens on black paper instead of, you know, pen and ink. Anime/Manga (don't know all terms) is keeping Pen and Ink alive though so I'm glad something is, it's my favorite using a dip pen. |
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Posted: 10/5/2022 4:16:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: New walk around video of the display area. We are planning on getting up one of the landscape tiers today. We need to make room for the C-130 build.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fy4Md5Vuu6cVery Well Done! The color palette looks like something from Tinted Graphite pencils from Derwent, and by the gallon instead of by the pencil trace. The colors the tinted graphite allows for is basically mountain landscapes, all very muted. If you have the choice, stick with watercolor colored pencils instead. https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B000TKB406 |
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Posted: 10/5/2022 4:29:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Frank_B]
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Okay, I had to look 'scratchboard art' up. Fantastic technique. Kinda requires what I'd call "inverted thinking", like sculpture.
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Posted: 10/5/2022 5:25:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Frank_B: Okay, I had to look 'scratchboard art' up. Fantastic technique. Kinda requires what I'd call "inverted thinking", like sculpture. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nLx3qbJtGgOnly instead of removing everything that doesn't look like your picture, you remove everything that does.
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Posted: 10/5/2022 9:01:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: guns762]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Frank_B: Okay, I had to look 'scratchboard art' up. Fantastic technique. Kinda requires what I'd call "inverted thinking", like sculpture. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nLx3qbJtGgScratch board is one of my favorites to teach. For my 2nd year kids we use a very expensive clayboard. It's a masonite board with a white clay coating, then a fine black coating over top. The 14x18" each cost about $17. They allow incredible detail. My beginners use a cheap paper version that works, but is no where near as nice. They each cost about $1.30. They work, but can tear easily, and sometimes details can get slightly rougher |
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Posted: 10/5/2022 9:20:36 PM EDT
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Here are a couple excellent works from past students. These are all clayboard/scratchboards.
  
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Posted: 10/5/2022 9:25:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Update 10/5 And this was just cool, and thought I should share. Nice scratchboard done by one of my better young artists. @guns762 Out of curiosity - What are the dimensions of that scratchboard? He has some really cool fine detailing which is why I ask. |
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Posted: 10/5/2022 9:26:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: guns762]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass: @guns762 Out of curiosity - What are the dimensions of that scratchboard? He has some really cool fine detailing which is why I ask. 14"x18" And the artist is a young lady.
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Posted: 10/5/2022 11:14:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762:  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762:
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Posted: 10/6/2022 12:16:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Scratch board is one of my favorites to teach. For my 2nd year kids we use a very expensive clayboard. It's a masonite board with a white clay coating, then a fine black coating over top. The 14x18" each cost about $17. They allow incredible detail. My beginners use a cheap paper version that works, but is no where near as nice. They each cost about $1.30. They work, but can tear easily, and sometimes details can get slightly rougher Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By Frank_B: Okay, I had to look 'scratchboard art' up. Fantastic technique. Kinda requires what I'd call "inverted thinking", like sculpture. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nLx3qbJtGgScratch board is one of my favorites to teach. For my 2nd year kids we use a very expensive clayboard. It's a masonite board with a white clay coating, then a fine black coating over top. The 14x18" each cost about $17. They allow incredible detail. My beginners use a cheap paper version that works, but is no where near as nice. They each cost about $1.30. They work, but can tear easily, and sometimes details can get slightly rougher Assumed it was a He since everybody knows girls don't like Star Wars. Do you get the white clayboard then cover in India ink (or other coating) for the black (and a bit of undo option as well) and/or use watercolor steps to add another dimension? When starting with a black or neutral gray paper is when one realizes we have a ton of ways to make something darker, and not a whole lot to make a dark surface lighter, short of opaque paints and pens. Easiest is "White Charcoal" (aka Chalk) to go lighter, but gives same problem as scratchboard, can't go anywhere other than white, or not white forcing dithering to be used (stippling/hatching/etc). The only thing I know (outside of opaque paint) that can work on black paper nearly as well as white with color are the jaw dropping expensive Caran d'Ache colored pencils or tinted charcoal to get a couple grey levels toward white or black which can be combined. Looking at the wiikpedia article on scratchboarding there's this amazing example. Ray traced quality image with watercolor used to color the sunflower in, very amazing work! 
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Posted: 10/6/2022 8:42:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Scratch board is one of my favorites to teach. For my 2nd year kids we use a very expensive clayboard. It's a masonite board with a white clay coating, then a fine black coating over top. The 14x18" each cost about $17. They allow incredible detail. My beginners use a cheap paper version that works, but is no where near as nice. They each cost about $1.30. They work, but can tear easily, and sometimes details can get slightly rougher Nice! We had to make ours for a drawing class when I was in college. Just to see the difference between that and a produced board. |
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Posted: 10/6/2022 9:37:24 AM EDT
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Update 10/6
Our day, yesterday, went well. We made room to start our C-130 build. Our flowers in the mural continue to grow. We had to take the elk down to fit the firefighter landscape tier up on the wall, so we will have to adjust the elk position a bit, and our mural will have to compensate a bit.  The wallside antler hits the landscape tier, so we will raise the elk a few inches, and move it a bit to the left.   Both tiers need cleaned up on the edges a bit more, and more stain. Getting them out of the 3D room for now was necessary to make room. We can also start some of the finer details that would get crushed if we put them on before we had them up on the walls.    I'm liking where our blending is going here. We hope to add some orange and blue to the lower portion of the wall below the pile.  Our lumber for the spine of our C-130 and 2x2s to connect it to the bulkheads of our model aircraft. Im hoping we start to see some things coming together with this today. 
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Posted: 10/6/2022 12:22:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: The wallside antler hits the landscape tier, so we will raise the elk a few inches, and move it a bit to the left. https://i.imgur.com/ttBjsCE.jpg https://i.imgur.com/cQo2wkj.jpg You're gonna turn him into a California elk? 
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