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Posted: 11/22/2022 9:50:31 AM EDT
[#1]
Is the Red Rider not the gold standard anymore
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Posted: 11/22/2022 9:51:54 AM EDT
[#2]
Red Ryder. It's a rite of passage.
ETA: I think they made a movie about it . . .  A Christmas Story: Ralphie Gets The Red Ryder (Clip) | TBS |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 9:55:14 AM EDT
[#3]
You should get him a 10/22.
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Posted: 11/22/2022 9:56:18 AM EDT
[#4]
We use these for our 4-H shooting sports program. Nice little repeaters. CO2 powered.
 Attached FileThat being said, does this boy have no access to a place to shoot? 12 is a little old for a BB gun, I typically get those for my kids around 4-5 years old. By 12 any boy should already have a .22 LR, a shotgun as well. |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 10:01:09 AM EDT
[#5]
BB or pellet rifle ?
If pellet, you can pick up a Ruger 10/22 .177 Co2 rifle for about 90 bucks and once he gets used to it the transition to a rimfire 10/22 will be easy. They are a ton of fun too.  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 10:01:31 AM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We use these for our 4-H shooting sports program. Nice little repeaters. CO2 powered. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/243522/19746EAB-DCBC-4A0F-9ABF-4AAC85A7FFA6_jpe-2609809.JPG That being said, does this boy have no access to a place to shoot? 12 is a little old for a BB gun, I typically get those for my kids around 4-5 years old. By 12 any boy should already have a .22 LR, a shotgun as well. Kid has had only his Mom and sister since birth. No man in the home and they've lived in an apartment their whole lives until recently. The just bought a house with a decent yard that backs up to woods. |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 10:01:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We use these for our 4-H shooting sports program. Nice little repeaters. CO2 powered. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/243522/19746EAB-DCBC-4A0F-9ABF-4AAC85A7FFA6_jpe-2609809.JPG That being said, does this boy have no access to a place to shoot? 12 is a little old for a BB gun, I typically get those for my kids around 4-5 years old. By 12 any boy should already have a .22 LR, a shotgun as well. If the OP wants to buy Junior something more grown up than a BB gun, this is the ticket: Beeman R7 or this (same gun) Weihrauch HW30S |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 10:03:12 AM EDT
[#8]
At 12 my son had 3 different .22s
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Posted: 11/22/2022 10:03:50 AM EDT
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I'd get a cheap one so he can move on to rimfire if he learns fast enough. At 12 he should be able to get the concept of safety and move on pretty quick.
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Posted: 11/22/2022 10:04:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We use these for our 4-H shooting sports program. Nice little repeaters. CO2 powered. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/243522/19746EAB-DCBC-4A0F-9ABF-4AAC85A7FFA6_jpe-2609809.JPG That being said, does this boy have no access to a place to shoot? 12 is a little old for a BB gun, I typically get those for my kids around 4-5 years old. By 12 any boy should already have a .22 LR, a shotgun as well. Man I typed something similar. I realize that not everybody lives in a rural setting, but I already had a small arsenal at that age. One of my favorite memories is going hunting bunnies with my mom when I was about 7 with some 410s. We'd go hunt squirrels often, and mom would fry them up. A 12 year old boy should have at least a .22 and a 20 guage |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 10:06:34 AM EDT
[#11]
 Attached FileCrossman, can’t remember the specific model number. I got this one off of their site in the refurbished section for $39. Cheap Wally World RDS. |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 10:08:29 AM EDT
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Quoted: I want to get my girlfriend's grandson his first BB rifle for Christmas. Brand and model suggestions? He should have received a bb gun years ago, it's time for firepower now. |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 10:11:55 AM EDT
[#13]
My daughter is 10 and we just started doing the 4H thing.
They use a daisy 499b which I ordered for her. Allegedly the most accurate BB gun made. Whatever, it probably is but from what I can tell it’s load down the muzzle. I would just go standard BB gun. That way he has an actual magazine. As long as it’s minute of can he will love it. |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 10:12:14 AM EDT
[#14]
Daisy or Crosman pump
~$50-$75 No need to mess with CO2 cartridges which can get expensive over time for a 12yo Can be used in a suburban setting |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 10:15:55 AM EDT
[#15]
Daisy Red Ryder
It’s not the most powerful or the most accurate but it is easy to load, easy to use and way more fun than something more fragile with a more complicated operating system. A 12yo probably just wants to plink soda cans in the backyard. OP, use this opportunity to teach the FOUR ABSOLUTES and hold the kid to them. It’s one of those teaching moments about the difference between being a man and acting like a boy. |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 10:20:44 AM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We use these for our 4-H shooting sports program. Nice little repeaters. CO2 powered. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/243522/19746EAB-DCBC-4A0F-9ABF-4AAC85A7FFA6_jpe-2609809.JPG That being said, does this boy have no access to a place to shoot? 12 is a little old for a BB gun, I typically get those for my kids around 4-5 years old. By 12 any boy should already have a .22 LR, a shotgun as well. Maybe, but this kid didn’t. He has to start learning from scratch, not just rushed into something he’s not ready for. |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 10:21:14 AM EDT
[#17]
Most are bull shit. At 12 he should get a .22 if not an Ar15. If you are stuck on a BB gun get a compressed air or pcp type pellet rifle.
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Posted: 11/22/2022 10:30:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd get a cheap one so he can move on to rimfire if he learns fast enough. At 12 he should be able to get the concept of safety and move on pretty quick. Agreed |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 10:39:17 AM EDT
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Red Ryder, no question as it stokes the fire of manly freedom:
Easy loading High capacity Low recoil Low maintenance Hours of shooting You give him something that needs C02 or hard to cock and he won’t get into it. The Red Ryder he’ll remember his whole life that moment. |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 10:44:56 AM EDT
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OP, consider a pellet-only rifle. They are accurate, and superb training tools.
BB guns and BB/combo guns aren’t. Smooth-bore BB guns are so inaccurate as to be useless for learning marksmanship, and once you shoot steel BBs down the rifled barrel of a combo gun it’s accuracy is ruined as well. But a pellet-only rifle is a wonderful thing and there are tons to choose from. |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 10:55:01 AM EDT
[#21]
My Grandson has a Red Ryder . My son bought a scope mount for it and we put a 12 power Weaver on it.
The boy is having lots of fun. https://buck-rail.com/2020/10/09/daisy-red-ryder-scope-mount/ |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 10:56:18 AM EDT
[#22]
A .22, and maybe even a good pellet rifle will require some level of adult supervision. A Red Ryder would not.
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Posted: 11/22/2022 10:57:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My Grandson has a Red Ryder . My son bought a scope mount for it and we put a 12 power Weaver on it.l. I’d like to see a photo of that. I won’t say I don’t believe you, but I don’t believe you. |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 10:59:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At 12 my son had 3 different .22s Yeah, well your kid had the benefit of a father. OP says this lad has no dad. |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 11:02:29 AM EDT
[#25]
S&W M&P 15-22 is the right answer here
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Posted: 11/22/2022 11:05:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’d like to see a photo of that. I won’t say I don’t believe you, but I don’t believe you. I sorry but I'm old, way past the three quarter century mark and don't know how to post pictures. If you go to the posted web site you will see how it is done. |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 11:05:32 AM EDT
[#27]
It would be a bit criminal not to get him a Red Rider for his first.
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Posted: 11/22/2022 11:05:59 AM EDT
[#28]
These were always good to me:
Daisy Powerline 880 w/ Scope Kit ETA: nostalgia aside, Red Ryders kinda suck. The 880's shoot minute-of-sparrow at 20 yards.
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Posted: 11/22/2022 11:06:57 AM EDT
[#29]
300 Win Mag
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Posted: 11/22/2022 11:09:12 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 300 Win Mag You Sir, have panache. |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 11:11:05 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’d like to see a photo of that. I won’t say I don’t believe you, but I don’t believe you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My Grandson has a Red Ryder . My son bought a scope mount for it and we put a 12 power Weaver on it.l. I’d like to see a photo of that. I won’t say I don’t believe you, but I don’t believe you.  |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 11:11:10 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Daisy Red Ryder It’s not the most powerful or the most accurate but it is easy to load, easy to use and way more fun than something more fragile with a more complicated operating system. A 12yo probably just wants to plink soda cans in the backyard. OP, use this opportunity to teach the FOUR ABSOLUTES and hold the kid to them. It’s one of those teaching moments about the difference between being a man and acting like a boy. THIS |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 11:13:47 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryGee, 12-power Weavers are smaller than I remembered |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 11:17:57 AM EDT
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We have the full auto crosman from tractor supply that we use for dogs, possums, raccoons and giggles.
It will take him a long time to outgrow it. I’m 41 and haven’t done so yet. Plus it has all the same controls as a grown up AR so the transition is stupid easy. |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 11:20:17 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I sorry but I'm old, way past the three quarter century mark and don't know how to post pictures. If you go to the posted web site you will see how it is done. I guess you’re too old to hotlink, too . . . Even assuming someone wanted to attach a solid scope base to a pot metal rifle, why would you put a 12-power scope on a Ref Ryder.? With a smooth barrel and steel shot, you can’t expect much accuracy. Plus, the BBs fire so slowly you can actually see them in flight. Might as well put a scope in a pea shooter. |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 11:21:12 AM EDT
[#36]
Brother got a Red Ryder for Christmas when he was ten and I was twelve (I got a compound bow).
We were told that if we killed anything with it we'd have to eat with the exception of turkey vultures. Needless to say. That thing wasn't really strong enough to kill anything after 25yds. |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 11:22:58 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess you’re too old to hotlink, too . . . Even assuming someone wanted to attach a solid scope base to a pot metal rifle, why would you put a 12-power scope on a Ref Ryder.? With a smooth barrel and steel shot, you can’t expect much accuracy. Plus, the BBs fire so slowly you can actually see them in flight. Might as well put a scope in a pea shooter. I had the scope just laying around for 40 years so I just gave it to the boy to get rid of it. Do you think the boy gives a Fuck that his rifle has a smooth bore? He's having fun. Why don't you just Fucking lighten up a little it's not your scope. |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 11:25:24 AM EDT
[#38]
Red Ryder,... how is this even a question???
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Posted: 11/22/2022 11:27:15 AM EDT
[#39]
I agree to get him started on a Daisy Red Ryder. I do not think there is a better teaching tool available. Will he outgrow it, yes? Is it still the right place to start, yes.
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Posted: 11/22/2022 11:32:03 AM EDT
[#40]
Daisy has a retro pump action BB gun that loads 12 or 15 up front.
It was my first BB gun back when I was a kid. About ten. The pump action is what makes it so cool. I shot it till it completely wore out. Check it out. |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 11:33:52 AM EDT
[#41]
Get the red ryder at walmart for $29 Christmas edition.
Go to ebay then and get the kit that adds a power upgrade and a metal lever for $41. Go to ebay and get the fiber optic sight. Mod the carbine as a project with him and it will be special. A normal red ryder is at about 250fps not 350. The power mod gets it to about 350 which is perfect. |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 11:44:30 AM EDT
[#42]
Get both the AR style BB gun for him to take home with him, and a AR .22 (like the SW 15-22) for him to keep at your place to use when he visits.
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Posted: 11/22/2022 11:44:56 AM EDT
[#43]
Get a pump action. No C02 cartridges (think supply chain breakdown).
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Posted: 11/22/2022 11:46:47 AM EDT
[#44]
The daisy #25 is also fun. pump action slide. one pump and can be found for $39.
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Posted: 11/22/2022 11:53:54 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Man I typed something similar. I realize that not everybody lives in a rural setting, but I already had a small arsenal at that age. One of my favorite memories is going hunting bunnies with my mom when I was about 7 with some 410s. We'd go hunt squirrels often, and mom would fry them up. A 12 year old boy should have at least a .22 and a 20 guage It’s kind of sad, the life of a suburban boy. I got my first .22 LR at 7 and a 12 ga shotgun at 11. Picked up a .50 cal muzzleloader at age 13. I was hunting rabbits and squirrels by myself at 8 or 9 and started deer hunting solo with my shotgun at age 13. Life was great. Just wandering the countryside with guns. |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 12:00:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You should get him a 10/22. |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 12:01:36 PM EDT
[#47]
Red Ryder is the most fun; and that’s a great place to start.
Start with something you can send him out the back door, and not worry too much. As a kid, it’s not much fun to have an adult hawking over every move. There is no other viable option. Easy action, and a ton of shots between reloading. No peripherals to support it besides a carton of cheap ass ammo. |
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Posted: 11/22/2022 12:05:14 PM EDT
[#48]
Crossman 760 pump
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Posted: 11/22/2022 12:07:38 PM EDT
[#49]
If you get a Red Ryder, get a metal charging handle. Makes a huge difference.
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Posted: 11/22/2022 12:07:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You should get him a 10/22. This. 12 is too old for a BB gun. |
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