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Posted: 9/23/2019 11:00:51 AM EDT
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Cuffing a 6 year old
During college I worked at a Catholic School as a student teacher. Most of the students were from broken homes. I was assigned to a Kindergarten class and I was told that many of the kids had suffered horrible things at home and in the group homes they lived in. Most of the kids were good kids, just being kids, but every class had a red panic button for when a kid had a break down. A special team of 2-3 women would respond when you pressed the red button. Now you may laugh but there were one or two kids that were pretty big kids for age 5-6 and they were pretty hard to get a hold of. There was this one kid who just happened to be the biggest of them all and when he had a breakdown it was epic. This kid knew to put his legs through the bottom of the chairs as they had bracing and he would lock his legs together. As sad as it was to watch it was almost comical to see two or three adults struggle to untangle the kids legs from the chair while his arms were swinging away and his mouth was trying to find flesh. Most times they just carried him out as he would never go voluntarily. I will never forget Frankie who stole $5 from his mothers purse. That $5 could make the difference if they ate that night or not. Well he showed me and told me if I told anyone he would stab me.
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Posted: 9/23/2019 11:07:37 AM EDT
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Should arrest the grandmother for those eyebrows. |
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Posted: 9/23/2019 11:16:22 AM EDT
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What the f....
Seriously? |
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Posted: 9/23/2019 11:17:11 AM EDT
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That ought to generate a nest egg college fund. What an idiot. |
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Posted: 9/23/2019 11:21:33 AM EDT
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Is there a father in that household?
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Posted: 9/23/2019 11:32:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank the Democrats for this. Almost 75% of Black kids are raised in a single parent home (mother) or by grandparents. This is what happens when you institutionlize generational welfare and make it profitable to have children and remove the father from the household. SJWs bitch about slavery, etc...Lol. BTW, the SRO is fucked. An arrest of anyone under 12 yo in FL requires a supervisors approval. He failed to do that. He's pretty much done and the 35 yo Grandma is getting paid. Classic case of government being able to do nothing right at multiple levels. |
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Posted: 9/23/2019 11:51:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Please? That's $3k to go away at most. As to arresting a 6 year old, I'd go with no. We certainly don't do that here. Why wasn't a parent called to pick them up? I wouldn't want the liability of transporting a kid under arrestable age. |
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Posted: 9/23/2019 11:59:46 AM EDT
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Are you aware that there are people in this world that have a severe medical condition which causes them to be that way? My 6 year old for instance is one of those people. She is a student that has sleep apnea and a wicked leg kick from watching tons of MMA fights on youtube but you probably do not care about that case either. Oh well I am not one of those people I am 6'4" 245lbs and I exercise every day. I would love to see you say something like to my 6 year old in front of me. Probably never happen though you are probably just an internet tough guy. I doubt very seriously you would say that to someones face. Just my thought.What do you think. Oh I am sorry you probably do not have a brain. I on the other hand will be happy to buy you a plane ticket to come here and see if you have the nerve to say that to someone I know. |
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Posted: 9/23/2019 12:12:31 PM EDT
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There is no easy answer to this problem only really hard solutions that no one has the guts to implement plus you would have to deal with the riots.
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Posted: 9/23/2019 12:17:12 PM EDT
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Is there a father in that household? |
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Posted: 9/23/2019 1:07:14 PM EDT
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Serious question, what should be done with children acting out in class? 
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Posted: 9/23/2019 1:10:36 PM EDT
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Back in the dark ages when *I* did that, *I* got my ass paddled by the principal. Seemed to work at the time. Now, the fucking handwringers go all epileptic when a paddling is merely mentioned. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Serious question, what should be done with children acting out in class? |
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Posted: 9/23/2019 1:10:43 PM EDT
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Are we supposed to be outraged or something?
Outsourcing your parental responsibilities isn't new and the story in the OP is what you get when you do it. Our society is so fucked. |
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Posted: 9/23/2019 1:34:46 PM EDT
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The wailing of some people on this site was intense when we had an AL member state that his son was in trouble at school and possibly subject to corporal punishment. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Serious question, what should be done with children acting out in class? |
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Posted: 9/23/2019 1:38:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A six year old cannot form the requisite criminal intent to commit a crime. Have you ever met any kids? They may not fully understand the effects of their actions, but they most certainly are capable of knowing right from wrong. And they are most definitely capable of intentionally committing criminal acts. Granted those decisions are generally brought about by piss poor upbringing by "parents". |
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Posted: 9/23/2019 1:40:59 PM EDT
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You want a government employee hitting your kid that's on you. One hits mine and I'll try to handle it legally 1st.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Serious question, what should be done with children acting out in class? |
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Posted: 9/23/2019 1:41:08 PM EDT
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Going to be a hero now...fighting the man.
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Posted: 9/23/2019 1:42:41 PM EDT
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Are you aware that there are people in this world that have a severe medical condition which causes them to be that way? My 6 year old for instance is one of those people. She is a student that has sleep apnea and a wicked leg kick from watching tons of MMA fights on youtube but you probably do not care about that case either. Oh well I am not one of those people I am 6'4" 245lbs and I exercise every day. I would love to see you say something like to my 6 year old in front of me. Probably never happen though you are probably just an internet tough guy. I doubt very seriously you would say that to someones face. Just my thought.What do you think. Oh I am sorry you probably do not have a brain. I on the other hand will be happy to buy you a plane ticket to come here and see if you have the nerve to say that to someone I know. 
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Posted: 9/23/2019 4:18:13 PM EDT
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The wailing of some people on this site was intense when we had an AL member state that his son was in trouble at school and possibly subject to corporal punishment. |
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Posted: 9/23/2019 4:23:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistorySo the kid is likely 3rd gen fetal alcohol syndrome?
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Posted: 9/23/2019 4:48:07 PM EDT
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He will learn the definition of mens rea. It’s important to remember that a SRO is often the person who wants off patrol and is unable to get to another unit like investigations, k9, etc for whatever reason. Take from that what you will. And the Chief seems more hung up about the officer not following dept policy to obtain a supervisor's approval to arrest someone under 12 y/o. I have to wonder about the kids behavior history for an officer to make the decision that arresting a 6 y/o is the best answer. |
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Posted: 9/23/2019 5:58:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/23/2019 6:06:38 PM EDT
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So the kid is likely 3rd gen fetal alcohol syndrome? Quote HistoryQuoted:
I have a friend who teaches in an elementary school and she's been assaulted countless times by students, so I'm having a hard time working up any sympathy for the little tyke. |
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Posted: 9/23/2019 6:19:21 PM EDT
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Failed with own child. Now failing with grandchild. |
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Posted: 9/23/2019 6:21:34 PM EDT
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Police Chief: Officer Who Arrested 2 6-Year-Olds Has Been Fired
ORLANDO, Fla. — The officer who arrested two 6-year-old children at an Orlando charter school last week has been fired, according to Orlando's police chief. https://www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/news/2019/09/23/outrage-sparked-over-sro-arrests-of-6-and-8-year-old Now time to cut those checks |
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Posted: 9/23/2019 6:22:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/23/2019 6:42:13 PM EDT
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Saw this on FoxNews. Apparently, the guy has used bad judgement in the past and also failed to get approval from a supervisor before taking action. Why is the school calling the police for a 6y/o anyways?
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Posted: 9/23/2019 6:46:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryAnd now the extortion starts: "U.S. Rep. Anna Eskamani spoke out about the arrests, stating on Sunday, "I spoke to the Orlando police chief today and told him my concerns, and we would be reaching out with community activists around other concerns about the Orlando Police Department and law enforcement, in general, in working with many communities, especially our communities of color." Eskamani believes that additional action needs to be taken at a state level to ensure this doesn't happen to another child." Wouldn't surprise me they push for a shit worded law that prevents the arrest of any Minor |
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Posted: 9/23/2019 6:50:42 PM EDT
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And now the extortion starts: "U.S. Rep. Anna Eskamani spoke out about the arrests, stating on Sunday, "I spoke to the Orlando police chief today and told him my concerns, and we would be reaching out with community activists around other concerns about the Orlando Police Department and law enforcement, in general, in working with many communities, especially our communities of color." Eskamani believes that additional action needs to be taken at a state level to ensure this doesn't happen to another child." Wouldn't surprise me they push for a shit worded law that prevents the arrest of any Minor Quote HistoryQuoted:
And now the extortion starts: "U.S. Rep. Anna Eskamani spoke out about the arrests, stating on Sunday, "I spoke to the Orlando police chief today and told him my concerns, and we would be reaching out with community activists around other concerns about the Orlando Police Department and law enforcement, in general, in working with many communities, especially our communities of color." Eskamani believes that additional action needs to be taken at a state level to ensure this doesn't happen to another child." Wouldn't surprise me they push for a shit worded law that prevents the arrest of any Minor |
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Posted: 9/23/2019 7:05:30 PM EDT
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This doesn’t sound right to me at all.
What ever happened to discipline within the school? A six year old does not need to be arrested on a battery. A 6 year old knows right from wrong, but no way needs to be arrested. I’d like a chance to read the actual report. There is a reason why under 12 requires watch commander approval, and a reason why this officer circumvented it. |
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Posted: 9/23/2019 7:08:17 PM EDT
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Shoulda tazed the little monster too, IMO. 
Spare the rod spoil the child |
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Posted: 9/23/2019 7:11:37 PM EDT
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 Six year olds should not be arrested. They should be disciplined/spanked. The criminal legal system cannot handle six year olds and six year olds don't have the metal capacity to understand the consequences of their actions.
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Posted: 9/23/2019 8:20:30 PM EDT
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I’d be interested to see how a prosecutor establishes criminal intent with a child that young. I agree, children mirror behavior from their parents, and grandma certainly seems to be overindulgent but still arresting?
Breaking as I write, the officer has been fired for failing to follow procedures. Prosecutors have dropped all charges. |
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Posted: 9/23/2019 8:29:47 PM EDT
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Six year olds should not be arrested. They should be disciplined/spanked. The criminal legal system cannot handle six year olds and six year olds don't have the metal capacity to understand the consequences of their actions. |
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Posted: 9/23/2019 9:03:58 PM EDT
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Agreed but you still have to apply some common sense and follow policy. His department policy was to contact a supervisor before making an arrest on anyone under the age of 12. He arrested a six year old and an eight year old on the same day without getting that approval from a supervisor. What I see happening is that there won't be any prosecution of either the six or eight year old, and the cop will likely lose his job. Probably a settlement between the city and the families as well. Good cops spend time with kids to help them learn that cops aren't their enemy and you can trust them. An officer like this nullifys all those efforts. |
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Posted: 9/23/2019 9:22:06 PM EDT
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Saw this on FoxNews. Apparently, the guy has used bad judgement in the past and also failed to get approval from a supervisor before taking action. Why is the school calling the police for a 6y/o anyways? |
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Posted: 9/23/2019 9:28:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: More than likely, the school is required to have an SRO on campus with the post Parkland/MSD school security requirements. |
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Posted: 9/23/2019 9:31:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Please? That's $3k to go away at most. As to arresting a 6 year old, I'd go with no. We certainly don't do that here. Why wasn't a parent called to pick them up? I wouldn't want the liability of transporting a kid under arrestable age. |
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Posted: 9/23/2019 9:34:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You want a government employee hitting your kid that's on you. One hits mine and I'll try to handle it legally 1st.... |
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Posted: 9/23/2019 9:36:48 PM EDT
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And now the extortion starts: "U.S. Rep. Anna Eskamani spoke out about the arrests, stating on Sunday, "I spoke to the Orlando police chief today and told him my concerns, and we would be reaching out with community activists around other concerns about the Orlando Police Department and law enforcement, in general, in working with many communities, especially our communities of color." Eskamani believes that additional action needs to be taken at a state level to ensure this doesn't happen to another child." Wouldn't surprise me they push for a shit worded law that prevents the arrest of any Minor Quote HistoryQuoted:
And now the extortion starts: "U.S. Rep. Anna Eskamani spoke out about the arrests, stating on Sunday, "I spoke to the Orlando police chief today and told him my concerns, and we would be reaching out with community activists around other concerns about the Orlando Police Department and law enforcement, in general, in working with many communities, especially our communities of color." Eskamani believes that additional action needs to be taken at a state level to ensure this doesn't happen to another child." Wouldn't surprise me they push for a shit worded law that prevents the arrest of any Minor CONSENT DECREES FOR ALLLL |
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Posted: 9/23/2019 9:46:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This will continue to happen due to the Parkland requirements. Because every school has to have an SRO they will have officers not compatible with the role, untrained for the role, don’t want to be there, etc. Also, school district police are hiring like crazy to meet demands. This will lead to lower standards that will come to light down the road in not particularly exemplary examples. I'm old. Attended schools in Jax, We got "swats" all the way through graduating at the end of the senior year. No cops assigned to the schools. Large schools had a Dean of Boys and a Dean of Girls who handled discipline. Up to three swats per infraction with a big custom fabricated paddle (plywood and plexi glass were popular). Fighting was usually a suspension signed off on by the Principal. If your parents did not want swats, it was an in school suspension (doing x number of days in a classroom doing all your class work with one of the Dean's supervising the class) or an out of school suspension. You either conformed or were dis enrolled after being a big enough pain in the ass. Oh the fucking horror. Now we have laws for disrupting a school function (arrestable) and teachers/staff who look to the cop to be the disciplinarian for all breaches of conduct. |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 12:11:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes and who would want to be an SRO these days? Plenty of children ranging from spoiled brats to legitimate developmental and mental health issues in the system. I'm old. Attended schools in Jax, We got "swats" all the way through graduating at the end of the senior year. No cops assigned to the schools. Large schools had a Dean of Boys and a Dean of Girls who handled discipline. Up to three swats per infraction with a big custom fabricated paddle (plywood and plexi glass were popular). Fighting was usually a suspension signed off on by the Principal. If your parents did not want swats, it was an in school suspension (doing x number of days in a classroom doing all your class work with one of the Dean's supervising the class) or an out of school suspension. You either conformed or were dis enrolled after being a big enough pain in the ass. Oh the fucking horror. Now we have laws for disrupting a school function (arrestable) and teachers/staff who look to the cop to be the disciplinarian for all breaches of conduct. |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 12:19:06 AM EDT
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She is six dude. At six she is along for the ride developmentally. She doesn't understand her home life is shit and she is being set up for failure. If anyone should be tazed it should be her family.. Wherever they are.Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Shoulda tazed the little monster too, IMO. She is six dude. At six she is along for the ride developmentally. She doesn't understand her home life is shit and she is being set up for failure. If anyone should be tazed it should be her family.. Wherever they are. |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 12:29:03 AM EDT
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FUCK OFF.....really I mean it..
I've seen much much much worst when I was teaching... I had a 6 yr old that stabbed with his pencils...several girls in the class, there is an article about it in the Los Angeles Times in 1997.... Mom and dad were fucked up beyond fucked up....both undergoing sex change so they can love each other more. I had a 9 yr old who was mentally disturbed put up a punjee trap style setup on a seat and it impaled a girl in the leg, she nearly lost it. I had a 5th grader come to school with a gun. Cops didn't want to arrest for any of it... I hope they arrested, gas or did whatever..... I read up on those kids and I found them still fucked up beyond all measures. |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 12:29:36 AM EDT
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Not surprised in the slightest. Sure the girls family is garbage but arresting a six year old.
Good firing.
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Posted: 9/24/2019 8:08:56 AM EDT
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Please? That's $3k to go away at most. As to arresting a 6 year old, I'd go with no. We certainly don't do that here. Why wasn't a parent called to pick them up? I wouldn't want the liability of transporting a kid under arrestable age. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That ought to generate a nest egg college fund. What an idiot. |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 9:29:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The settlement will be much more than $3K since the police chief fired the SRO for the arrest/not following procedure/whatever. |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 9:37:48 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/24/2019 11:27:24 AM EDT
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