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Link Posted: 3/11/2020 1:18:51 AM EDT
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This.

And I bet it will also be a standard.
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For under 20k? Not a chance.

If so, I would buy one the moment it hit the lot to run around my properties on. It would be the same price as a Kawasaki Mule but more flexible.
This.

And I bet it will also be a standard.
I doubt it but I guess it’s possible. None of the vehicles it’s supposedly based on have manuals.
Link Posted: 3/11/2020 1:22:01 AM EDT
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I doubt it but I guess it's possible. None of the vehicles it's supposedly based on have manuals.
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I bet it will have an option and all the Mexicans on the west coast will buy them out, since the toyota r22 market has dried out.

And I will buy one if it under $20,000 in 4wd to use as my desert truck.
Link Posted: 3/11/2020 1:35:23 AM EDT
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Fuck storing a space taking eysesore like that.
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And which magic second vehicle do you plan to buy that doesn't take space?
Link Posted: 3/11/2020 9:14:27 AM EDT
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I bet it will have an option and all the Mexicans on the west coast will buy them out, since the toyota r22 market has dried out.

And I will buy one if it under $20,000 in 4wd to use as my desert truck.
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That is exactly the truck I hope it is.  But I fear we're going to see a FWD/low ground clearance/auto only version based on a Fusion/Transit.
Link Posted: 3/11/2020 9:38:01 AM EDT
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"Muh 8' plywood"

As somebody who actually does work with their truck and has owned everything from regular cab long beds, extended cabs with 6.5' beds, crew cabs with 8' beds and my current crew cab with a 5.5' bed I know what I need and what works best for me better than you.
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Instead I see tons of people who claim to "need a truck" driving around in a huge vehicle with a crew cab and a 5' bed.
"Muh 8' plywood"

As somebody who actually does work with their truck and has owned everything from regular cab long beds, extended cabs with 6.5' beds, crew cabs with 8' beds and my current crew cab with a 5.5' bed I know what I need and what works best for me better than you.
Did I hit a sore spot there, buddy? You don't have to take my statement as an absolute for every person out there.

We also have some crew cabs...with 8' beds because we do have to use them as work trucks. Often, as you point out, to haul some lumber because that is a real thing.
Link Posted: 3/11/2020 9:39:50 AM EDT
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I bet it will have an option and all the Mexicans on the west coast will buy them out, since the toyota r22 market has dried out.

And I will buy one if it under $20,000 in 4wd to use as my desert truck.
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I would go to the dealer today and buy one if available.
Link Posted: 3/11/2020 9:44:20 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/11/2020 10:13:00 AM EDT
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I bet it will have an option and all the Mexicans on the west coast will buy them out, since the toyota r22 market has dried out.

And I will buy one if it under $20,000 in 4wd to use as my desert truck.
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What is that? My money is still on a transit connect with a bed
Link Posted: 3/11/2020 11:53:17 AM EDT
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A primary vehicle that happens to be a small truck.
Link Posted: 3/11/2020 12:11:29 PM EDT
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Actually it is for people who need a truck to do what a typical person needs to do from their home. I need to haul trash or brush or maybe some mulch from Lowes. I want to take a mountain bike to the trails or throw a kayak in the back. That is as much as 90% of the trucks on the road ever do.

Instead I see tons of people who claim to "need a truck" driving around in a huge vehicle with a crew cab and a 5' bed.
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This is not for people who need a truck. I see this as something for someone who wants a car with occasional truck ability. If you need a truck don't buy this.

Someone like me will never buy a full size truck. I have been looking at something like a connect, Baja, or the like for a reasonable price. I like a normal sedan but every now and then I need space for furniture or an unusually large errand run.
Actually it is for people who need a truck to do what a typical person needs to do from their home. I need to haul trash or brush or maybe some mulch from Lowes. I want to take a mountain bike to the trails or throw a kayak in the back. That is as much as 90% of the trucks on the road ever do.

Instead I see tons of people who claim to "need a truck" driving around in a huge vehicle with a crew cab and a 5' bed.
Precisely this.

I've said it before and I'll say it again... the minitruck was great for what the average diy homeowner needed.  Hauling a few odds and ends every once in a while that would be impractical in a brodozer and impossible in a sedan.

We got upsold by the industry when they pushed quad cab brodozers.  Incredibly upsold.  The fact that bob the white collar suburbanite thinks he "needs" a CCSB on 39"ers is proof of marketing trumping critical thinking.
Link Posted: 3/11/2020 12:25:43 PM EDT
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Precisely this.

I've said it before and I'll say it again... the minitruck was great for what the average diy homeowner needed.  Hauling a few odds and ends every once in a while that would be impractical in a brodozer and impossible in a sedan.

We got upsold by the industry when they pushed quad cab brodozers.  Incredibly upsold.  The fact that bob the white collar suburbanite thinks he "needs" a CCSB on 39"ers is proof of marketing trumping critical thinking.
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This is not for people who need a truck. I see this as something for someone who wants a car with occasional truck ability. If you need a truck don't buy this.

Someone like me will never buy a full size truck. I have been looking at something like a connect, Baja, or the like for a reasonable price. I like a normal sedan but every now and then I need space for furniture or an unusually large errand run.
Actually it is for people who need a truck to do what a typical person needs to do from their home. I need to haul trash or brush or maybe some mulch from Lowes. I want to take a mountain bike to the trails or throw a kayak in the back. That is as much as 90% of the trucks on the road ever do.

Instead I see tons of people who claim to "need a truck" driving around in a huge vehicle with a crew cab and a 5' bed.
Precisely this.

I've said it before and I'll say it again... the minitruck was great for what the average diy homeowner needed.  Hauling a few odds and ends every once in a while that would be impractical in a brodozer and impossible in a sedan.

We got upsold by the industry when they pushed quad cab brodozers.  Incredibly upsold.  The fact that bob the white collar suburbanite thinks he "needs" a CCSB on 39"ers is proof of marketing trumping critical thinking.
These mini-trucks are very specialized vehicles only useful for businesses and a narrow subset of consumers.

For most consumers, it doesn’t make sense to buy a sedan/SUV and one of these. The math doesn’t work out, and parking is a problem. People just don’t have much practical use for two-seater vehicles.

The standard CCSB pickup does almost everything. I have adult passengers in the back seat of mine frequently, and the bed gets used every week from the start of spring until the end of fall.

And before you bring up the midsizers, all of them have shitty back seats that aren’t appropriate for adults except the Ridgeline, and it’s an expensive luxury product.
Link Posted: 3/11/2020 12:56:41 PM EDT
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I don’t want a back seat. I want a useful little truck that costs less than a side by side.
Link Posted: 3/11/2020 1:14:05 PM EDT
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I doubt it but I guess it's possible. None of the vehicles it's supposedly based on have manuals.
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Its almost certainly on the C2 platform - a development of the C1 that the current Transit Connect and prior Focus and Escape were on. So yes FWD. There's no current Connect with AWD, but it could be an option since its available on the platform. The Transit finally got AWD

Various peeps have done some photo assays. Length and WB seems to be approximately the current Transit Connect LWB - @ 185-190 inches, WB @ 120.  Likely engines 1.5/2.0 Eco's maybe a 2.0 GDI or 2.5 Duratecs. Unsure if they'll support on the C2. Supposedly various beds/cab configurations. Bed could easily match the current Rangers longer 72x44 - the current Connect LWB interior is 87x48

Very much doubt US market see's a manual. The pitch was it fills a price point and need. Sub Connect pricing - which currently is $25,570- 2.0L XL Regular, 2.5 is slightly more. If Ford lines it in below $20k, they'll have a hit.

Reports are it follows very close to the original Ranger in cues - meaning its readily recognizable as a truck and not so much a car front grafted on a bed. I'm interested to see if they crease or otherwise separate the bed transition. No purpose, but traditional styling will likely be well received in this segment.
Link Posted: 3/11/2020 1:23:43 PM EDT
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hopefully there's an ST version

if not then i will make it into an ST

LS swap though
Link Posted: 3/11/2020 3:39:36 PM EDT
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I buy stripped F150's to use as escort vehicles when I'm delivering wide loads
These may be a decent replacement
Link Posted: 3/11/2020 3:41:54 PM EDT
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Reports are it follows very close to the original Ranger in cues - meaning its readily recognizable as a truck and not so much a car front grafted on a bed. I'm interested to see if they crease or otherwise separate the bed transition. No purpose, but traditional styling will likely be well received in this segment.
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I kind of like the mini Ranchero/El Camino look
Link Posted: 3/11/2020 7:18:14 PM EDT
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I kind of like the mini Ranchero/El Camino look
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Reports are it follows very close to the original Ranger in cues - meaning its readily recognizable as a truck and not so much a car front grafted on a bed. I'm interested to see if they crease or otherwise separate the bed transition. No purpose, but traditional styling will likely be well received in this segment.
I kind of like the mini Ranchero/El Camino look
You may, but when I've heard small unibody trucks get discussed by people in the business of marketing those vehicles, theres always concern over social pressure and market perception. The "trucklet" tag is feared for good reason - see how the Honda Ridgeline is derided

To combat, tie it stylistically to your truck lines. If it looks like a truck, it more likely to be accepted. So think more Ford SA Escort Bantam, or perhaps more angular Ford Brasil final Courier. Expect a sharp vertical rear window, square bed, angular sheet metal. Not so much Ramcharger or integrated car-like VW Saviero or Fiat Strada - like these I shot almost decade ago - not a new idea.

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Based on what some attendees have said, dont think thats whats been described, even if many dealers arent the most reliable descriptors, or the route Ford would go.
Link Posted: 3/11/2020 8:04:31 PM EDT
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Australia gets all the cool shit:







Link Posted: 3/11/2020 8:49:36 PM EDT
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Holy shit, it's the 1988 Ranger of the future.
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You mean with the Datsun bed and the Toyota cab and a grill from an 88 explorer?
Link Posted: 3/11/2020 8:57:02 PM EDT
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And that is what GD said about the new Samson Ruger mini-14 folding stock, which is now back-ordered 2-3 months or longer...
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Hey now, I absolutely wanted the Samson folder, even before they fixed the gap between the trigger guard and PG.
Link Posted: 3/11/2020 9:01:33 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/11/2020 9:23:02 PM EDT
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If I was in the market for a truck I would.
Needs a lift and more bigger tires.
Link Posted: 3/11/2020 9:28:10 PM EDT
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If I was in the market for a truck I would.
Needs a lift and more bigger tires.
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2.0 Ecoboost and 4x4 and I would consider it
Link Posted: 3/12/2020 7:51:32 AM EDT
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For under 20k? Not a chance.

If so, I would buy one the moment it hit the lot to run around my properties on. It would be the same price as a Kawasaki Mule but more flexible.
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You need a Roxor.
Link Posted: 3/12/2020 7:52:57 AM EDT
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Consumers might not buy many.

But fleet managers are masturbating furiously at the thought of the TCO reduction from running something like this in their fleets instead of midsize or larger trucks.
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Our maintenance fleet would lease ten, for sure. It's silly to run a full size around to haul 50 traffic cones and a broom/shovel.
Link Posted: 3/12/2020 8:07:59 AM EDT
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showed to dealers?
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Yes, they shown them to dealers.
Link Posted: 3/12/2020 8:54:15 AM EDT
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You need a Roxor.
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For under 20k? Not a chance.

If so, I would buy one the moment it hit the lot to run around my properties on. It would be the same price as a Kawasaki Mule but more flexible.
You need a Roxor.
I want a Roxor, but if Ford gets the 4WD/AWD close in price and I can get it tagged from the dealer, it might be worth it.
I'm not holding my breath tho.
Link Posted: 3/12/2020 4:30:02 PM EDT
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Precisely this.

I've said it before and I'll say it again... the minitruck was great for what the average diy homeowner needed.  Hauling a few odds and ends every once in a while that would be impractical in a brodozer and impossible in a sedan.

We got upsold by the industry when they pushed quad cab brodozers.  Incredibly upsold.  The fact that bob the white collar suburbanite thinks he "needs" a CCSB on 39"ers is proof of marketing trumping critical thinking.
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Agreed.  Growing up, my Dad had an 84 Ford Ranger.  No A/C, no cruise, no power anything.  Vinyl floormats, so every so often Dad would pull the drain plug and wash out the floorboards!  That little truck hauled full sheets of plywood, 2x4s, 4x4s, PVC pipe, bags of rock, sheets of corrugated plastic - whatever Dad could put in there.  He drove it for years until it got totaled on the Interstate.

I've wanted something like that for years.  I don't need a brodozer.  Heck, I tried to get in the bed of a full size pickup a couple of weeks ago that had its tailgate down, and I couldn't do so - it was just too high!  With a long commute, I need something good on gas, and the current Tacoma/Ranger/et al, don't have the gas mileage I need.  They also are more than I want to spend on a vehicle.  I also rarely have a passenger, maybe my son a few times a month, but that's it, so a standard cab or extended cab with a little space would work fine.  All I would want is A/C and cruise control.  No power windows or doors.  No 4x4.

The only thing that would keep me from buying one would be that its a Ford.  The bad experience I had with our Explorer was enough to sour me on anything made by Ford.
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