Better not be polymer.

It would be less trend following if they came out with their version of the PCC. They would probably put a reasonable price on it and it would probably sell.

The second paragraph above made me think of their tan and green models. The tan one looks good in person. I never saw the green one in person but it looks good to my eyes in pictures.

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Less?

You can bet your bottom dollar Glocks will be on the upper end of the price range. Like their shitty pistols.

So it has a glock switch?

Glocks on the upper end of the price range?

Fuck them, I have 2 of their hand guns and they get very little use as it is. I have other AR's that would dust the ones that Glock is going to produce.

They need to make something like this that takes Glock mags:



Not sure how ergonomic the grip would be as a shouldered PCC, but probably not too bad. Ideally the grip portion and barrel/bolt can be swapped out so you can go from 9mm to .45 to 10mm.

So... I think everyone is willfully ignoring the key element here.

This is a reality, a timeline... Whatever, where the SA-80 could be replaced in service by a Glock carbine.

I expect unadulterated retardation when it comes to automotive related threads on this site, but Jesus, I expect better when it comes to firearms related topics.  This is just embarrassing.

I’ve been an unashamed Glock fanboy for years. This is sweet!

Yes, Glock will make AR mags

Gas piston I guess. Those Euros love them gas piston.

I hope it has pic rails to hang dildos off of the front hand guard. I like pic rails. I like hanging stuff to LARP on Facebook.

I’ve already got 3

Time will tell. If that is true, they won't be providing anything special in terms of design or value.

Is that the full auto thing?

Maybe they'll prove to be better than Magpul.

How did you acquire them?

Glock would sell a ton of them to fanboyz. Thing could be equivalent to a POS Olympic Arms and they would still buy the "perfection".

FWIW... The British SAS and SBS recently selected the MCX as their issued carbine.

My supermodel 10 girlfriend got em from the gettin place

Silly goose don’t you know SiG only makes garbage in the US

Can't wait for 2028 when they come out with a PCC, by 2030 they'll have one that folds in half and takes glock mags!

HK have been winning lots of contracts like that lately. They must be kicking themselves over the development cost and effort they put into the G36, apparently they can just make an AR that's not compatible with standard handguards and they've got a winner.

Have manufacturing in Europe. Which is significant for winning large European contracts. (Just like manufacturing in the US is important for winning US contracts). Does KAC have a factory in Europe? Can they setup a factory in Europe while remaining competitive with organizations that already have a factory there (and they paid off the building decades ago)?


Scoring in everything except price is always a bit subjective. Manufacturing in the UK would almost certainly get you max marks for that element of the quality score (I'd have to pull the document and dig through it to see how highly weighted that section is). How much better does the UK see manufacturing in Europe versus the US post-Brexit? European countries really like European manufacturing but the UK may be more ambivalent

Setting up manufacturing in the UK is going to hurt the price score for sure. How much depends on the other prices since the score is generated by comparison with the best price.

One possible option for KAC/LMT is to get AI or BAE or someone to do the assembly - that keeps their costs from going up too much while also getting them some extra points for their quality score. Whether that is the best way to optimise their score depends on how the various elements are weighted.

Get yourself a B&T USW-G17 chassis and you can have that right now.

Chambered in 9mm luger.

yeah... that pesky auto sear pin hole in the receiver spoils the whole idea!

It would be cheaper to etch an 80% build with a Glock Logo!

It is just another M16/M4 clone... at least with the HK 416 they owned the design in an attempt to build a better M16/M4!

Are ARs importable with the current sporting purposes nonsense?

A Glock MP7ish in 9mm that took G17 mags would be awesome.

Is the American Sig bigwig the same guy who was at Kimber?

@Scott-S6

Thanks for the interesting post.

No worries. I will try to lay my hands on the document and see if it's actually public or not really. (Some countries are 100% open about military procurement docs, some are open after the fact, some not at all). If I can get it and talk about it I'll summarize the mandatory and desirable characteristics and factors.

I have the contract summary (not the full doc) and this is public info. I'll continue trying to lay my hands on the full doc. There is some interesting stuff in the summary (but bear in mind that this is incomplete in detail)

An "AR platform" rifle is required and that is detailed somewhat.
"Gas operated" seems to leave the door open for DI or piston
Standard buffer isn't specified, possibly allowing a sig-type recoil spring arrangement, but
Industry standard takedown pin arrangement is required implying a desire to swap uppers
Must shoot Brit SS109 equivalent
Supressor mounted is intended to be the primary use configuration but operator must be able to remove the supressor
Rifle to be supplied with optics (which can be made by someone else)
Nothing about optic spec except that it must be ballistically matched There are quite a few dual optics in use with the Brits currently (elcans and acogs with dots)

Six vendors will be selected to provide rifles+optics (We know that LMT, KAC and Glock are in. Presumably HK because of the BAE connection and they've bought from Diemaco in the past. Who's the 6th? FN? Do they manufacture ARs in Belgium?)
88-528 rifles to be supplied for testing. That's a big range with oddly specific bounds
After testing there will be two mini competitions, one for the rifle and one for the optic. One vendor can win both but this isn't required.
Quantities are interesting. This is nominally for the new SF brigade so they're buying 3K. They also have the option of buying up to 10K which is described as "full fleet" but that's way more than a single brigade. So it's clearly for multiple units but it's only a fraction of just active infantry. Definitely not an L85 replacement procurement. Possibly for all of the various SF units?

ETA contract is expected to be between half a mill and 90 mill pounds. That implies a unit cost of between $180 and $9,900. Quite a range. That low end is a bit optimistic (is it a typo and the low end is 5mill making the unit cost $1800?) Before someone comes back with "I can get a PSA for five hundred bucks" that's a price for rifle, optics, ten years of spares and probably (summary doesn't say but it's pretty standard) a load of mags, slings, armourer tools and training, transit cases, armoury racks, etc.

Sure is, the crazy thing is Sig is now small arms leader for government contracts, even to the SOCOM.

Cool but I wish they'd done something along the lines of what was to be the Masada.

They have some pretty interesting AR-180/piston type patents.  We could see something like that.

I wonder if this gun shares much similarity to the AR my friend saw when he worked for Glock.

This had to be 8 or 9 years ago when he visited Smyrna and shot a Glock AR

Glad to see it is actually getting an opportunity to be bought.

Ours (LE), are currently out of service, got that first hand from our Armourer who maintains them. I'm told military ones too, but can't confirm that.

Maybe… An ACR in 6.8 SPC?

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Brits are looking to give up their bullpup, as is China.
While nice and compact, they have limited real estate to mount all the modern accessories.
Not giving up mine though!

Oh, jeez! I wish he would leave for some other industry.

I guess the level of care they use in manufacturing their guns for government contracts is higher than for the rest of us.

I'm wondering if the Glock "AR" looks like a AR is because whichever government wrote the contract pretty much penciled in the AR specifications so the submission looks like a AR.

Plus you can have 20 companies submitting AR type rifles and the winning rifle will need to pass all the tests plus be the cheapest.

So who ever can make it cheapest gets the contract even PSA.

They will sell.
If for no other reason, departments will be able to only deal with one vendor for rifle and pistol procurement.

Glock should have been in the ammo game long ago and could be sole source for both weapons and consumables.  That, and slap their logo on some holosun optics. Worked for Sig.  

You have to look at generals who retire and work at Sig for the answer.

I posted a summary of the contract summary above - it needs to be a standard AR of some flavour that shoots SS109. This is mandatory.

No room for anything especially innovative.

Good post.