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Link Posted: 5/10/2020 2:45:20 PM EDT
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What is better than a twin Turbo jet engined fighter?

How about adding a semi-automatic 50mm cannon??















Of if that isn't exotic enough, towing a flying bomb to attack the enemy.







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Originally Posted By JQ66:



Had that man not died in WWII, you probably never would have been.  Unless grandma already had his child (or children).
Think of it that way.
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Originally Posted By luv_the_huskers:
Originally Posted By jarhead13:
Louis the final briefing the night before the mission. It’s the last photo taken of him, he’s circled.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/175733/B37ED39D-DA7B-468F-B89A-00917900EF50_jpe-1401351.JPG


In your last picture is the man that should have been my grandfather. My grandmother was engaged to him and he went down on that mission. I have a book published years ago with that picture in it and she pointed him out. Sadly, I was young and don't remember which man she pointed to. She never told me his name and she has passed. Small world.



Had that man not died in WWII, you probably never would have been.  Unless grandma already had his child (or children).
Think of it that way.


I have thought about that in the past. Interesting ponder.
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Originally Posted By Dog1:



You are welcome. I can't find anything on the author either
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Originally Posted By Dog1:



You are welcome. I can't find anything on the author either



Originally Posted By wtfboombrb:


Thank you, I spent an hour searching.

Translator says "Jugend" = "Youth".

I can't find a thing on Glass or his book(s).


It's from Ernest Claes, a Belgian author. HERE is his wiki.

He was a rather famous author. As you might know Belgium is half french speaking half flemish (dutch) speaking. During the early 1900's the rich french speaking parts overshadowed the poorer rural dutch part. This culminated in revolts during WW1 when officers would issue orders in french to dutch-speaking troops who didn't understand it. He served during WW1, and as a result of his experiences he went 'Flemish-nationalist' during WW2 which was basically considered *just* not collaborating with the Germans (the official government fled to the UK and the flemish nationalistic movement saw a power vacuum in Belgium where they thought they could change the system). They (and he) got punished for it afterwards, and rightfully so. Most of his works are stories about life in the good old days, growing up, the struggles of industrialisation, etc. Some of his works have been adapted in TV or movies.

Longwinded way to say Hess reading that book is a nothingburger. We read it in school, it's about a kid growing up struggling with life. Nothing exciting.
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Messerschmitt Bf 109D1 2.JG21 Red 3 Germany 01
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Originally Posted By Bigger_Hammer:



Unlike "Little People", the family of "Important People" tend to be valued for propaganda, hostage, monetary, intelligence or other value

Magda Goebbels son, from her first marriage before Goebbels, was a Luftwaffe Pilot who survived the war, and became one of the richest industrialist in W. Germany (Via investments of his father in Varta Batteries & Electronics, and B.M.W.)

She was an absolute True Believer in National Socialism and couldn't bear the thought of continuing on after Hitler & Eva Braun Killed themselves and the end of the 3rd Reich being days away...
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There is an accurate depiction in the German-language film “Downfall” if anyone wants to revisit those dark events.
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Long exposure of AA over a couple of Corsairs on Okinawa on 4-28-1945. This may have been posted before.

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Originally Posted By Dominion21:


There is an accurate depiction in the German-language film “Downfall” if anyone wants to revisit those dark events.
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I really want to watch that movie but I hate subtitled films. I feel like I'm missing something if I'm reading the damn subtitles at the bottom of the screen.
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https://www.amazon.com/Duel-Under-Stars-Memoir-Luftwaffe/dp/1784382582

This was suggested reading by @Dog1

This is a great read. It get right into the thick of things. I burned through it in two days, and I highly suggest it.

NJG 6
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Originally Posted By 13starsinax:
https://www.amazon.com/Duel-Under-Stars-Memoir-Luftwaffe/dp/1784382582

This was suggested reading by @Dog1

This is a great read. It get right into the thick of things. I burned through it in two days, and I highly suggest it.

 NJG 6
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Yes it is a great book! There's no leading up to the action. Boom you're in the cockpit and off into the night
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A slightly damaged T-34 STZ made (Stalingrad Tractor Factory)
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https://i.pinimg.com/originals/18/a8/04/18a8041fad0ef4fb8fad959f6ddea081.jpg

A slightly damaged T-34 STZ made (Stalingrad Tractor Factory)
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That is slight
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Ammo rack!   Interesting how the turrets often end up upside down but more or less on top of the tank when they light off.
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Saipan...Marines manning the 37mm cannon.

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Note the Japanese holes through the gun shield
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That would make a great model. I've never seen that before
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It really is cool. It being a STAB "staff" plane it has all the bells and whistles too. Interesting gun/cannon configuration. I would tackle all the glass and detailing again if there was a decal set for 1/32.

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http://falkeeins.blogspot.com/2015/06/stabsstaffel-stg-77-deaths-hand-emblem.html
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If the claims made by StG 77 are accurate, it inflicted more damage to enemy ground forces than any other wing.
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They had Bf-110 too
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Originally Posted By jblomenberg16:

Ammo rack!   Interesting how the turrets often end up upside down but more or less on top of the tank when they light off.
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The armored turret roof is heavy, probably tends to roll the turret over in flight like a badminton birdie.

Here's a rare tank for you guys, the Marmon-Harrington CTL series.  Developed by an Indianapolis 4 wheel drive truck manufacturer.  A local museum just acquired the complete lower hull of a CTL-3 tankette, have plans to restore it.

The CTL-3 developed as an amphibious tankette for the USMC was rejected in 1939.  The 10 prototypes were subsequently deployed on an emergency basis to a USMC unit defending American Samoa early in the war (a couple thousand miles east of Guadalcanal):



CTM-3TBD, which is the tankette with a turret added. 2 .50 cal. MG's in turret, 3 .30 cal. MG's in hull, 5 prototypes built, all deployed to American Samoa:


CTLS-4TAC and a CTLS-4TAY in Alaska, 1942.  420 of each manufactured, and I have no idea why the layout was mirrored.  600 shipped to China and 240 were retained for emergency use by US forces after China refused the remainder - shipping tanks to China was incredibly difficult and they were promised Stuarts after being unimpressed by the CTLS.  Some were actually deployed for the Aleutian campaign, I don't know how many saw combat:
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1st Separate Tank Company, Tutuila, Samoa.  L to R. Army M3 type light tank, 2 CTL-6's (improved CTL-3), 2 CTM-3TBD's:



Variant CTMS-1TB1 ordered by the Dutch with a 37mm; didn't reach them in time, so some were commandeered by the US, some were given to the Free Dutch.  The US commandeered batch were tested and then leased to Mexico, Guatemala, Ecuador and Cuba:


Marmon-Harrington's in US service were mostly scrapped in place in 1943 when enough better tanks like the Stuart became available.
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Originally Posted By Dog1:



😲

Now I'm going to have to build a BF 110 and try to print out some decals.

@13starsinax

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I am still reading, but the celebration has this quote-
Messerschmitt Bf 110E Zerstorer Stab StG77 celibrating the units 1000th combat mission

If you figure out the decals I'd really like to pitch in for a set.
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Originally Posted By 13starsinax:


I am still reading, but the celebration has this quote-
Messerschmitt Bf 110E Zerstorer Stab StG77 celibrating the units 1000th combat mission
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Cool thanks I just wanted to be able to find the right variant if they make that kit.

I may go big 1/32 scale. I haven't built a 1/32 scale in years
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Originally Posted By Dog1:



Cool thanks I just wanted to be able to find the right variant if they make that kit.

I may go big 1/32 scale. I haven't built a 1/32 scale in years
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10/4 If you do make the decals I'd be down for two sets. I'd get one for coltsporter too.
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Originally Posted By 13starsinax:


10/4 If you do make the decals I'd be down for two sets. I'd get one for coltsporter too.
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I will poke around on my seldom-used decal program that I haven't touched in years see what I can come up with. If I come up with something that's usable I'll let you guys know.

I might have to enlist the aid of one of the Nerds over at the hobby shop in Louisville to help me with that one. As soon as their governor allows them to open.


I downloaded the pictures you posted with the nose art, that first set of pictures are really really good and pretty much it looks like all of the hands that they used on every plane pretty much have the same orientation. So that means I can use those pictures as a template
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There is a Ferret Scout Car about 5min from my house. I don't know how to use the photo thing though.
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There is a Ferret Scout Car about 5min from my house. I don't know how to use the photo thing though.
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If the photo is saved on your PC, use select file, double click on the file, and then click on the upload button. Since your a member you can do it that way, and not use a outside image hosting site.

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Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad:
The armored turret roof is heavy, probably tends to roll the turret over in flight like a badminton birdie.

Here's a rare tank for you guys, the Marmon-Harrington CTL series.  Developed by an Indianapolis 4 wheel drive truck manufacturer.  A local museum just acquired the complete lower hull of a CTL-3 tankette, have plans to restore it.

The CTL-3 developed as an amphibious tankette for the USMC was rejected in 1939.  The 10 prototypes were subsequently deployed on an emergency basis to a USMC unit defending American Samoa early in the war (a couple thousand miles east of Guadalcanal):
https://mcvthf.org/History/tank_marmon_harrington.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Marmon-Herrington_CTLS-3_testing.jpg

CTM-3TBD, which is the tankette with a turret added. 2 .50 cal. MG's in turret, 3 .30 cal. MG's in hull, 5 prototypes built, all deployed to American Samoa:
https://mcvthf.org/History/CTM-3TBD_2.jpg

CTLS-4TAC and a CTLS-4TAY in Alaska, 1942.  420 of each manufactured, and I have no idea why the layout was mirrored.  600 shipped to China and 240 were retained for emergency use by US forces after China refused the remainder - shipping tanks to China was incredibly difficult and they were promised Stuarts after being unimpressed by the CTLS.  Some were actually deployed for the Aleutian campaign, I don't know how many saw combat:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/172926/Marmon_Herrington_Tanks_LOC_fsa_8e09169u-1415479.JPG

1st Separate Tank Company, Tutuila, Samoa.  L to R. Army M3 type light tank, 2 CTL-6's (improved CTL-3), 2 CTM-3TBD's:

https://mcvthf.org/History/samoa.jpg

Variant CTMS-1TB1 ordered by the Dutch with a 37mm; didn't reach them in time, so some were commandeered by the US, some were given to the Free Dutch.  The US commandeered batch were tested and then leased to Mexico, Guatemala, Ecuador and Cuba:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/Militaire_voertuigen_op_het_kazerneterrein_bij_een_militaire_parade_in_Paramarib%2C_Bestanddeelnr_252-6337.jpg

Marmon-Harrington's in US service were mostly scrapped in place in 1943 when enough better tanks like the Stuart became available.
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Operating American Light & Medium Tanks in World War 2 - 1943


My back hurts
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Originally Posted By Dog1:



I really want to watch that movie but I hate subtitled films. I feel like I'm missing something if I'm reading the damn subtitles at the bottom of the screen.
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Originally Posted By Dominion21:


There is an accurate depiction in the German-language film “Downfall” if anyone wants to revisit those dark events.



I really want to watch that movie but I hate subtitled films. I feel like I'm missing something if I'm reading the damn subtitles at the bottom of the screen.



Feel the same way about subtitled movies in general, but Downfall in German was THE way it was made to been seen!   The Actors are great & SPOT on.

Trust me, you will remember seeing it as it is an incredible view of the last weeks of the Reich & fall of Berlin.

Not a feel good - happy date movie, (the scene with Magda Goebells killing her children while they are drugged asleep is really is "dusty" in the room)  And when she comes out after murdering her children and starts dealing herself a hand of solitaire as if "nothing has happened" is one of THE most chilling scenes of "evil" on film...  

Trust me on this when I say, "Watch It!!" & you'll agree it is a fascinating look 'behind the curtains' at Hitler & the Nazis in the final days of the Reich...

@Dog1
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Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad:
The armored turret roof is heavy, probably tends to roll the turret over in flight like a badminton birdie.

Here's a rare tank for you guys, the Marmon-Harrington CTL series.  Developed by an Indianapolis 4 wheel drive truck manufacturer.  A local museum just acquired the complete lower hull of a CTL-3 tankette, have plans to restore it.

The CTL-3 developed as an amphibious tankette for the USMC was rejected in 1939.  The 10 prototypes were subsequently deployed on an emergency basis to a USMC unit defending American Samoa early in the war (a couple thousand miles east of Guadalcanal):
https://mcvthf.org/History/tank_marmon_harrington.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Marmon-Herrington_CTLS-3_testing.jpg

CTM-3TBD, which is the tankette with a turret added. 2 .50 cal. MG's in turret, 3 .30 cal. MG's in hull, 5 prototypes built, all deployed to American Samoa:
https://mcvthf.org/History/CTM-3TBD_2.jpg

CTLS-4TAC and a CTLS-4TAY in Alaska, 1942.  420 of each manufactured, and I have no idea why the layout was mirrored.  600 shipped to China and 240 were retained for emergency use by US forces after China refused the remainder - shipping tanks to China was incredibly difficult and they were promised Stuarts after being unimpressed by the CTLS.  Some were actually deployed for the Aleutian campaign, I don't know how many saw combat:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/172926/Marmon_Herrington_Tanks_LOC_fsa_8e09169u-1415479.JPG

1st Separate Tank Company, Tutuila, Samoa.  L to R. Army M3 type light tank, 2 CTL-6's (improved CTL-3), 2 CTM-3TBD's:

https://mcvthf.org/History/samoa.jpg

Variant CTMS-1TB1 ordered by the Dutch with a 37mm; didn't reach them in time, so some were commandeered by the US, some were given to the Free Dutch.  The US commandeered batch were tested and then leased to Mexico, Guatemala, Ecuador and Cuba:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/Militaire_voertuigen_op_het_kazerneterrein_bij_een_militaire_parade_in_Paramarib%2C_Bestanddeelnr_252-6337.jpg

Marmon-Harrington's in US service were mostly scrapped in place in 1943 when enough better tanks like the Stuart became available.
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Fun fact- a surviving MH tank made a number of TV and movie  appearances in various guises,  including an appearance on the Beverly Hillbillys.
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Feel the same way about subtitled movies in general, but Downfall in German was THE way it was made to been seen!   The Actors are great & SPOT on.

Trust me, you will remember seeing it as it is an incredible view of the last weeks of the Reich & fall of Berlin.

Not a feel good - happy date movie, (the scene with Magda Goebells killing her children while they are drugged asleep is really is "dusty" in the room)  And when she comes out after murdering her children and starts dealing herself a hand of solitaire as if "nothing has happened" is one of THE most chilling scenes of "evil" on film...  

Trust me on this when I say, "Watch It!!" & you'll agree it is a fascinating look 'behind the curtains' at Hitler & the Nazis in the final days of the Reich...

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On your advice I am watching it right now. I'm at the part where he is giving the medals out to the tank killing kids
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The Junkers Ju 87 V1. This first prototype had been completed and had commenced its flight test programme before the end of 1935. Powered by a 640 hp Rolls-Royce Kestrel V twelve-cylinder water-cooled engine driving a fixed-pitch, two-blade wooden airscrew and original deep radiator, replaced after initial flight tests.
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I found an explanation for the mirrored layout of the CTLS-4TAC and a CTLS-4TAY, and I guess it's better than a tankette configuration, but still stupid:

https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/US/marmon-herrington-ctls-4ta

The last shipment of 4 (UK Vickers) vehicles disappeared in the harbor of Rotterdam during the German invasion in May 1940, resulting in the occupation of the Netherlands, and production of the command tanks was never initiated. As such, only 20 vehicles made it to the Dutch East Indies. The Colonial Army, now left with only 20 new tanks, 4 worn-out tanks, and not a single gun-armed tank, had to look for another supplier.

The only place where this was possible was in the USA, but there was not much to choose from. Marmon-Herrington was the sole company producing tanks commercially. So, the Netherlands Purchasing Commission (NPC) turned to Marmon-Herrington, which offered its newest tank, the CTL-6. Unhappy with the design, the NPC requested on behalf of the KNIL that several changes be made, including the addition of a turret. (snip)

The requirement for the turret meant that a part of the superstructure, either on the right or the left, was removed and replaced by a small, hand-operated turret. As a consequence, the turret could only traverse 270 degrees. This limitation was the cause that two versions were built with the turret either on the left (4TAY) or right (4TAC). It was envisioned that pairs would be formed on the battlefield with one vehicle of each type, so they still had a combined fire coverage of 360 degrees.
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More info at the link, including a good description of their only use in battle by the Dutch against the Japanese on Java.
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Originally Posted By JQ66:


Probably 
But what do you think the Red Army would’ve done to those little girls, especially if they knew who their parents were?
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Point.

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Messerschmitt Bf 110F-2 with FuG202 Lichtenstein BC 9./NJG 3 Lüneburg 1943 Early FuG 202 Lichtenstein B/C units deployed in 1942. They operated at a maximum RF output power of 1.5 kW, on the 61 cm wavelength (490 MHz, or low UHF band), requiring complex Matratze (mattress) antennas, consisting of thirty-two dipole elements, mounted in four groups of eight, each at the forward end of one of four forward-projecting masts.
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A Dornier Do 217 bomber with a Henschel Hs 293 rocket powered guided air to surface guided missile slung underneath the right wing. The Hs 293 damaged or sank more than 30 Allied ships. Source: ©USAF.F.
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Messerschmitt Bf 110D Zerstorer Stab I.StG1 (A5+GB)
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Messerschmitt Bf 110C3 Zerstorer 6.ZG2 (A2+IL) ex3.ZG52 France 1940-01
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That would make a great model. I've never seen that before
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That would make a great model. I've never seen that before



IIRC, you can get the decals for that particular one
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http://www.americanairmuseum.com/media/33150
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"Formation of Boeing B-17 "Flying Fortresses" over France."

- 42-31585 "Mount'n Ride" OR-B 323BS, 91BG, 8AF.
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