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Link Posted: 10/9/2017 11:59:24 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Gixxersixxer:


Have any of you guys tested that your magnet isn't losing its properties at running temperature?

I've been thinking of getting one for my Honda eu2000i but ones I come across either don't state the magnet used or IMO use an inappropriate magnet.

This one on Amazon says it uses a N50 neodymium magnet. N50 refers to the magnet's strength, the higher the number the stronger it is, it's a strong one. The N type temperature range goes to 80C for its max operating temp. The Curie point where it is permanently demagnetized is 310C. The engine shouldn't be reaching 310C during operation but I think 80C is met so the magnet would start releasing the metal bits it scavenges during operation and only sequestering them when cool.
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Once the particle is captured, as the magnet weakens with temperature, as can be expected, the bond will still likely be sufficient to retain.

Table of magnet's properties [incl with temperature]

https://www.supermagnete.de/eng/data_table.php
Link Posted: 10/9/2017 12:06:20 PM EST
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Originally Posted By two4spooky:
I also tried the Quip-All with a heavy 6" 1/3 HP bench grinder that is about 2200 watts I think for a few seconds at start-up. No dice, red light came on and had to restart. I don't think I'll be trying that anymore.
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You should put a rope starter on it, just to build up a little speed before you turn it on.
Link Posted: 10/9/2017 12:28:52 PM EST
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Everything with a compressor should have soft start setups dammit!


(the LRA on the house A/C is 105 AMPS !)
Link Posted: 10/9/2017 1:05:52 PM EST
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Originally Posted By danpass:
Everything with a compressor should have soft start setups dammit!


(the LRA on the house A/C is 105 AMPS !)
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Install a hard start and it will never see that 105.
Link Posted: 10/9/2017 1:28:26 PM EST
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Originally Posted By JoseCuervo:
Do you gents think the magnetic plug matters a lot? Maybe a weird question, but these don't have oil pumps, just a splash system I believe. I would love to stand corrected. Steel shavings would sink and not get in the works, I would think. You could clean the stock drain plug well and glue a neodymium magnet on it, those custom plugs appear spendy.



 
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I don't think they matter too much.  After break in engines shouldn't be shedding a lot a metal. Engines that do aren't long for this world anyway.  They aren't going to hurt anything however.
Link Posted: 10/9/2017 7:51:47 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Gage:
How much gas did you burn and at what load did you burn it.
I ran mine for 8 hours on a light load and the gas gauge went down about a third. I will change the oil and see how it looks.
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Looking at my notes, I'm getting just over 12 hrs out of a gallon of 91 Octane Ethanol-Free gas, but, i'm on my 3rd gallon now during the break in process and still sorting out engine run times per full tank, and, I've been running it on regular mode, econ mode, and both ways with a space heater hooked up.
Link Posted: 10/9/2017 8:26:03 PM EST
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Originally Posted By FL4REAL:
I don't think they matter too much.  After break in engines shouldn't be shedding a lot a metal. Engines that do aren't long for this world anyway.  They aren't going to hurt anything however.
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This and change the oil when it is "hot" and it will carry most of any debris out with it when
you dump it.
Link Posted: 10/9/2017 8:30:47 PM EST
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Are there any other differently branded versions of the HF 3500inverter genny?  I found the Bearcat but it’s $1500.
Link Posted: 10/9/2017 8:32:46 PM EST
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Originally Posted By jefflebowski:
Are there any other differently branded versions of the HF 3500inverter genny?  I found the Bearcat but it’s $1500.
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Northern Powerhorse.  300 bucks more, though. $999
Link Posted: 10/9/2017 8:33:53 PM EST
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Originally Posted By phatmax:
Northern Powerhorse.  300 bucks more, though. $999
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Originally Posted By jefflebowski:
Are there any other differently branded versions of the HF 3500inverter genny?  I found the Bearcat but it’s $1500.
Northern Powerhorse.  300 bucks more, though. $999
Damnit.
Link Posted: 10/9/2017 10:41:00 PM EST
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Originally Posted By nowgrn4:
Absolutely best deal by far on a 2K watt inverter genny. http://www.homedepot.com/p/Champion-Power-Equipment-1-700-2-000-Watt-Recoil-Start-Gasoline-Powered-Portable-Inverter-Generator-73536i/203791700

Great warranty and company support. Fukkers are bulletproof.
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Just found one locally BNIB for $320, but I REALLY want the HF 3500...
Link Posted: 10/9/2017 11:51:00 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Gixxersixxer:


Have any of you guys tested that your magnet isn't losing its properties at running temperature?

I've been thinking of getting one for my Honda eu2000i but ones I come across either don't state the magnet used or IMO use an inappropriate magnet.

This one on Amazon says it uses a N50 neodymium magnet. N50 refers to the magnet's strength, the higher the number the stronger it is, it's a strong one. The N type temperature range goes to 80C for its max operating temp. The Curie point where it is permanently demagnetized is 310C. The engine shouldn't be reaching 310C during operation but I think 80C is met so the magnet would start releasing the metal bits it scavenges during operation and only sequestering them when cool.
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       New and interesting, magnets and heat. I never would have known. I can say the magnetic drain plugs have always had a ferrous fuzz/flakes stuck to them when I change the oil. Noticeably more when engine was new, gradually less as the engine wore in. There is some fuzz left in the oil, even smaller and always floating. Aluminum maybe? So, catch the used oil from the inverter in an empty water bottle(convenience) before pouring into the big old oil container. Hold the clear water bottle up, put a bright LED pocket light to it, floating fuzz is visible.    
    Is a magnetic plug necessary, no. Is one beneficial? I think so. Probably more so on the Honda considering it's cost and likely longevity.
Link Posted: 10/10/2017 7:16:18 AM EST
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Any thoughts on the Champion Digital Hybrid? It's an open framed inverter, 4000/3500. Just shy of $500 shipped from Zoro for the next 2 days because they have a 25% off sale going on. Tempted...

https://www.championpowerequipment.com/product/100302-3500-watt-digital-hybrid/
Link Posted: 10/10/2017 8:06:40 AM EST
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Originally Posted By thormx538:
Any thoughts on the Champion Digital Hybrid? It's an open framed inverter, 4000/3500. Just shy of $500 shipped from Zoro for the next 2 days because they have a 25% off sale going on. Tempted...

https://www.championpowerequipment.com/product/100302-3500-watt-digital-hybrid/
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There's been some chat on here about those.  I think for the price I'm pulling the trigger.  I pulled the trigger.  $497 shipped.
Link Posted: 10/10/2017 8:10:24 AM EST
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Originally Posted By jefflebowski:
Just found one locally BNIB for $320, but I REALLY want the HF 3500...
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Originally Posted By nowgrn4:
Absolutely best deal by far on a 2K watt inverter genny. http://www.homedepot.com/p/Champion-Power-Equipment-1-700-2-000-Watt-Recoil-Start-Gasoline-Powered-Portable-Inverter-Generator-73536i/203791700

Great warranty and company support. Fukkers are bulletproof.
Just found one locally BNIB for $320, but I REALLY want the HF 3500...
Fo or no?
Link Posted: 10/10/2017 8:36:07 AM EST
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Originally Posted By thormx538:
Any thoughts on the Champion Digital Hybrid? It's an open framed inverter, 4000/3500. Just shy of $500 shipped from Zoro for the next 2 days because they have a 25% off sale going on. Tempted...

https://www.championpowerequipment.com/product/100302-3500-watt-digital-hybrid/
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If I had known the full details about this model I'd likely have it vs the slightly quieter Champion 75531i 2800/3100 that I bought.

Though a quieter generator certainly has a lot going for it.  (58db vs 64db)
Link Posted: 10/10/2017 11:10:12 AM EST
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Originally Posted By thormx538:
Any thoughts on the Champion Digital Hybrid? It's an open framed inverter, 4000/3500. Just shy of $500 shipped from Zoro for the next 2 days because they have a 25% off sale going on. Tempted...

https://www.championpowerequipment.com/product/100302-3500-watt-digital-hybrid/
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I have one I bought this spring off Amazon to use with my travel trailer. I think it's a hell of generator for the money. It has no problems running a 12.5k BTU AC at 8000 feet elevation without a hard start capacitor added to AC or a high elevation carb from Champion. I put a wheel kit on mine. I can load and unload it from my vehicle by myself without issue. I have to remove the wheels to get the generator through the trailer door to store it.

A friend has the non-inverter 3500/4000 watt open frame and the digital model is noticeably quieter. When the digital is running next to my Honda eu2000i the Honda is quieter. However I think my friend's eu2000s paralleled produce slightly less overall noise.

I've since added a hard start capacitor to my AC since the Honda couldn't start it without one. I've only tested it at ~4300 feet elevation, I don't know if the Honda will still perform at 8000 feet.
Link Posted: 10/10/2017 12:59:12 PM EST
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I really need to figure out what I want to buy.

I have LP oven/range/boiler (forced hot water baseboard), and town water (no well pump).

I have a chest freezer in the garage and my kitchen fridge is not energy star.

I want to wire up a load side transfer switch for the necessities (oven, boiler, fridge, garage circuit, and some lights/outlets around the house)

My entire neighborhood has underground utilities and hasnt had an outage in 3yr (knock on wood).

Can't decide if I should just go super cheap with a Predator 4000W for $289 that has 240V out, pick up a dual fuel Champion 100307 thats 120V out from Zoro for ~300$ shipped, or spend more on either a 2000W inverter or that 3500W Champion hybrid inverter.
Link Posted: 10/10/2017 1:02:24 PM EST
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Fo or no?
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Originally Posted By jefflebowski:
Originally Posted By nowgrn4:
Absolutely best deal by far on a 2K watt inverter genny. http://www.homedepot.com/p/Champion-Power-Equipment-1-700-2-000-Watt-Recoil-Start-Gasoline-Powered-Portable-Inverter-Generator-73536i/203791700

Great warranty and company support. Fukkers are bulletproof.
Just found one locally BNIB for $320, but I REALLY want the HF 3500...
Fo or no?
I would fo.  I already foed on one for $469 and have been happy with it so far.
Link Posted: 10/10/2017 1:19:24 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Gixxersixxer:
I've since added a hard start capacitor to my AC since the Honda couldn't start it without one.
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I've had trouble getting my furnace to start on generator, is there somewhere that describes this?
Link Posted: 10/10/2017 1:59:55 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Gamma762:
I've had trouble getting my furnace to start on generator, is there somewhere that describes this?
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Originally Posted By Gamma762:
Originally Posted By Gixxersixxer:
I've since added a hard start capacitor to my AC since the Honda couldn't start it without one.
I've had trouble getting my furnace to start on generator, is there somewhere that describes this?
Here is one blog entry I used.

A home or RV furnace is completely outside my realm of knowledge. The RV AC was too, I was just following directions had no knowledge to be able to confirm what I was doing seemed legit. I just crossed my fingers and trusted the internet. For my RV AC I simply looked at the wiring diagram and connected, I want to say, "com" and "herm" lines to the capacitor. The capacitor instructions said it didn't matter which wire went to which.

Go here and click the Downloads tab. There you can download a pdf of the models and application range. I think I got my SPP6 model off Amazon for $12.

I will say my end result is far more definitive than the blogs. Before installation the AC fan would run off the eu2000i but as soon as the compressor tried to run the Honda increased speed then went into overload. After installation I tested the AC a few times with and without the RV fridge running on electric. Each time the compressor started the Honda increased speed but never went into overload. I'd say overall the compressor sounds less stressed. Before installation you'd hear what I can best describe as a longer torque impulse to get the compressor going. After installation that torque impulse is shorter and not as loud.
Link Posted: 10/10/2017 2:07:40 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Gamma762:

I've had trouble getting my furnace to start on generator, is there somewhere that describes this?
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Is it a standard genny or inverter?

If standard, I wonder if the frequency isn't steady enough and the control board uses it for timing, or there is electronic noise that is futzing with the control board.

I have smart light switches, the ones that are set to dim flash on and off when on the genny.
Link Posted: 10/10/2017 2:31:28 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Gamma762:

I've had trouble getting my furnace to start on generator, is there somewhere that describes this?
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Have you tried adding some additional load to the generator while it's connected to your furnace?

Sometimes, the waveform quality improves when there is a significant resistive load on it, particularly around the zero crossing points.

As Desert_AIP mentioned, devices with zero crossing detectors tend to be picky about waveform quality.
Link Posted: 10/10/2017 2:55:01 PM EST
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Originally Posted By thormx538:
Any thoughts on the Champion Digital Hybrid? It's an open framed inverter, 4000/3500. Just shy of $500 shipped from Zoro for the next 2 days because they have a 25% off sale going on. Tempted...

https://www.championpowerequipment.com/product/100302-3500-watt-digital-hybrid/
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I gave a quick review on pg 18 (I think).  Great bang for the buck for an inverter.  You are trading more power and less cost for less quiet (vs a normal inverter).  If loudness isn't your main concern, it is a good trade-off.  It is quiet enough for me.  Quieter than my lawnmower, and I can't even hear it when inside the house.  I broke it in with my brass shaker and could hear it over the generator.  I was concerned about the weight, but it didn't turn out to be an issue; I can easily pick it up and move it.  3 gallon gas tank provides 17 hours of run time (supposedly).  I broke mine in for about 6 hours and used less than 1 gallon of gas.

The only negative for me are that you can only get 2,400 watts out of the duplex (120V x 20A) even though it is rated for 3,500 watts running.  I need to make an extension cord with a 30amp RV plug to use all of the available power.
Link Posted: 10/10/2017 3:34:38 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Gamma762:

I've had trouble getting my furnace to start on generator, is there somewhere that describes this?
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How many watts?

I had problems with mine until I made a correction to the control board. Remember, you are using two voltages to operate the furnace, control voltage and the load.
Link Posted: 10/10/2017 4:13:30 PM EST
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Originally Posted By CVO:
How many watts?
I had problems with mine until I made a correction to the control board. Remember, you are using two voltages to operate the furnace, control voltage and the load.
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IIRC it's a 3500 watt generator.

I can get it to start most of the time if I manually start the fan first, let it run for a little bit then click the thermostat over to heat so that the burners start. So I'm thinking its the fan motor startup that is dropping the voltage too much.

The furnace is older and it would not surprise me at all if the capacitors were bad.
Link Posted: 10/10/2017 4:35:40 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Gamma762:

IIRC it's a 3500 watt generator.

I can get it to start most of the time if I manually start the fan first, let it run for a little bit then click the thermostat over to heat so that the burners start. So I'm thinking its the fan motor startup that is dropping the voltage too much.

The furnace is older and it would not surprise me at all if the capacitors were bad.
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How many watts does the furnace draw?

Old belt drive blower 115 Volts?
Link Posted: 10/10/2017 6:46:51 PM EST
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Deal alert.

Sorry for the late post. Runs through midnight EST.

15% off a single item including champion generators.

Promo code EXPLORE. At acmetools.com

I ordered my digital hybrid for $599 no tax free shipping and received it without issues so they are good to go.

Well damn. Zoro is even better.
Link Posted: 10/10/2017 7:22:45 PM EST
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Got two of the 9 buck Hobbs meters for my inverters. Used Velcro to attach and ran through the edge of the spark plug port.  Work just fine!Attachment Attached File
Link Posted: 10/10/2017 7:33:27 PM EST
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Originally Posted By thormx538:
I really need to figure out what I want to buy.

I have LP oven/range/boiler (forced hot water baseboard), and town water (no well pump).

I have a chest freezer in the garage and my kitchen fridge is not energy star.

I want to wire up a load side transfer switch for the necessities (oven, boiler, fridge, garage circuit, and some lights/outlets around the house)

My entire neighborhood has underground utilities and hasnt had an outage in 3yr (knock on wood).

Can't decide if I should just go super cheap with a Predator 4000W for $289 that has 240V out, pick up a dual fuel Champion 100307 thats 120V out from Zoro for ~300$ shipped, or spend more on either a 2000W inverter or that 3500W Champion hybrid inverter.
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If you can swing it , the digital hybrid from Zoro on sale for under $500 would be my choice if you don't need 240 volt.

3500 watts running vs 1600 on the 2kw inverter opens up a lot of options

It could be converted to dual fuel with a motor snorkel.

I have only put the wheel kit on mine , but the fit and finish is impressive for a value unit.

I'm fortunate that I have a big standby unit at home but use a Honda eu2000 & ex3500 at jobsites. The champion is much lighter than the comparable non-inverter Honda. Time will tell but looks promising based upon what I see & reviews on the units.
Link Posted: 10/10/2017 9:43:01 PM EST
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Got two of the 9 buck Hobbs meters for my inverters. Used Velcro to attach and ran through the edge of the spark plug port.  Work just fine!https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/38726/20171010_201813-330346.JPG
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That’s a perfect match.
Link Posted: 10/10/2017 9:58:33 PM EST
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Originally Posted By itstock:
Get the quip-all.  It's a Powermate/Generac and they all get excellent reviews.  $330 shipped on ebay.
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Originally Posted By Mech2007:

I'm giving up on the HF 2000 one. Tried again this morning. Local store was out so they checked and there wasn't one on all of Long Island.

On- line coupon expires today, so I'll do without.
Get the quip-all.  It's a Powermate/Generac and they all get excellent reviews.  $330 shipped on ebay.
Is there a parallel kit for these?
Link Posted: 10/10/2017 10:08:32 PM EST
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Take a look at this $489 3500w inverter genny.  Thoughts?
Link Posted: 10/10/2017 10:17:03 PM EST
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Take a look at this $489 3500w inverter genny.  Thoughts?
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Take a look at this $489 3500w inverter genny.  Thoughts?
{size=a_bazillionx10^87}RELATIVELY QUIET OPERATION, AS LOW AS 94db{/size}
Engine Speed: 5000RPM(ECO switch is off)
RHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ................. *POP*


Link Posted: 10/10/2017 10:21:47 PM EST
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Nice catch.  Holy shit, do I want that HF 3500. I may have to sell a gun.
Link Posted: 10/10/2017 10:33:44 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Handydave:


If you can swing it , the digital hybrid from Zoro on sale for under $500 would be my choice if you don't need 240 volt.

3500 watts running vs 1600 on the 2kw inverter opens up a lot of options

It could be converted to dual fuel with a motor snorkel.

I have only put the wheel kit on mine , but the fit and finish is impressive for a value unit.

I'm fortunate that I have a big standby unit at home but use a Honda eu2000 & ex3500 at jobsites. The champion is much lighter than the comparable non-inverter Honda. Time will tell but looks promising based upon what I see & reviews on the units.
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I've considered all angles, and I think I'm just going to buy the 4kW Pred as a stopgap for the winter. Hopefully I won't even need it. But inverters are trending down in price so maybe in a year or so the 3500W inverters (not hybrids) will be sub $450. Then I could just flip the open framed one on Craigslist, and grab an inverter and install a more permanent feeding method. I don't need 240V, but that comparably priced 3650W dual fuel Champion is backordered until December.

I've spent so much time and money on the house lately fixing water damage that I just don't want to drop ~$750 on a generator and transfer switch right now haha.
Link Posted: 10/10/2017 11:02:47 PM EST
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RHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ................. *POP*


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Originally Posted By jefflebowski:
Take a look at this $489 3500w inverter genny.  Thoughts?
{size=a_bazillionx10^87}RELATIVELY QUIET OPERATION, AS LOW AS 94db{/size}
Engine Speed: 5000RPM(ECO switch is off)
RHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ................. *POP*


the HF is 212 cc vs 150.  I noticed the weight first which the ebay one is about 25 lbs lighter.

that's a common tactic to drive the engine at higher rpm to get more HP/kW out of it....generac used to do that on it's larger commercial generators and then use gear boxes to step down the rpm's on the alternator.  the end result was not pretty as they were notoriously unreliable.
Link Posted: 10/10/2017 11:10:22 PM EST
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I think the HF 3500w inverter is a Chinese XYG3500i

I can't seem to find a source for one of them that will ship to the US though

Someone should buy like 10 of them on Alibaba and sell them in this thread
Link Posted: 10/11/2017 6:08:20 AM EST
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Originally Posted By thormx538:
I think the HF 3500w inverter is a Chinese XYG3500i

I can't seem to find a source for one of them that will ship to the US though

Someone should buy like 10 of them on Alibaba and sell them in this thread
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Nice find, hopefully we will find a source in the US.
Link Posted: 10/11/2017 6:10:52 AM EST
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Originally Posted By thormx538:
I think the HF 3500w inverter is a Chinese XYG3500i

I can't seem to find a source for one of them that will ship to the US though

Someone should buy like 10 of them on Alibaba and sell them in this thread
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Buffalo Tools has it, but does not sell to the public
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Buffalo Tools has it, but does not sell to the public
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That's for a 5500rpm engine so not comparable to the predator unit.

That is screaming.
Link Posted: 10/11/2017 6:26:17 AM EST
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Originally Posted By thormx538:
I've considered all angles, and I think I'm just going to buy the 4kW Pred as a stopgap for the winter. Hopefully I won't even need it. But inverters are trending down in price so maybe in a year or so the 3500W inverters (not hybrids) will be sub $450. Then I could just flip the open framed one on Craigslist, and grab an inverter and install a more permanent feeding method. I don't need 240V, but that comparably priced 3650W dual fuel Champion is backordered until December.

I've spent so much time and money on the house lately fixing water damage that I just don't want to drop ~$750 on a generator and transfer switch right now haha.
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Originally Posted By Handydave:


If you can swing it , the digital hybrid from Zoro on sale for under $500 would be my choice if you don't need 240 volt.

3500 watts running vs 1600 on the 2kw inverter opens up a lot of options

It could be converted to dual fuel with a motor snorkel.

I have only put the wheel kit on mine , but the fit and finish is impressive for a value unit.

I'm fortunate that I have a big standby unit at home but use a Honda eu2000 & ex3500 at jobsites. The champion is much lighter than the comparable non-inverter Honda. Time will tell but looks promising based upon what I see & reviews on the units.
I've considered all angles, and I think I'm just going to buy the 4kW Pred as a stopgap for the winter. Hopefully I won't even need it. But inverters are trending down in price so maybe in a year or so the 3500W inverters (not hybrids) will be sub $450. Then I could just flip the open framed one on Craigslist, and grab an inverter and install a more permanent feeding method. I don't need 240V, but that comparably priced 3650W dual fuel Champion is backordered until December.

I've spent so much time and money on the house lately fixing water damage that I just don't want to drop ~$750 on a generator and transfer switch right now haha.
For what it's worth. My digital hybrid was back ordered through November 30, and it arrived over a week ago.

Maybe order the champion & see what happens.

Worst case buy a predator as well on the first day of your credit card billing cycle, which should give you around 30 days interest free, and just return it unopened if you haven't needed it and the champion arrives within the 30 days.

RobP noticed on the zoro site although the picture shows the champion 2kw inverter cube, model number is for the non-inverter. Whether zoro is trying to do a bait and switch I'm not sure.
Link Posted: 10/11/2017 6:55:52 AM EST
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That's for a 5500rpm engine so not comparable to the predator unit.

That is screaming.
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Yup, pretty fast.  I sure would like to find cheaper HF 3500, but I'm saving up irregardless.
Link Posted: 10/11/2017 8:00:54 AM EST
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Yup, pretty fast.  I sure would like to find cheaper HF 3500, but I'm saving up irregardless.
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Originally Posted By jefflebowski:


Buffalo Tools has it, but does not sell to the public
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Buffalo Tools has it, but does not sell to the public
Nice find, Sportsman brand can be found online. I'm seeing ~$700

Originally Posted By Handydave:


That's for a 5500rpm engine so not comparable to the predator unit.

That is screaming.
Good point, the XYG3500 does seem to be a 153cc 5500RPM compared to the HF which uses the standard Predator 212cc at 28-3600RPM. So probably not the same unit at all, just a similar price point and capacity.


Either way, I decided to order the dual fuel 3500W from Zoro for around $300 shipped, just so I have something in case I need it this winter.
Link Posted: 10/11/2017 10:05:32 AM EST
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I don't know what the other gens come with but my Champion came with an oil bottle sized to the gen.  I almost trashed it before thinking about it making the fill a little easier.  It'd also fit in your little box to assure you always had an oil change with you.
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Originally Posted By danpass:
Just an FYI to those new to owning gennys, the little things:

Have a dedicated container.  

I have two, one is a Walmart StyleWorks Tough Tote that is similar to the 8gal Rubbermaid ActionPacker (except that the lid flips instead of separating and the edge of the base won't try to suicide you by slitting your wrists like the ActionPacker might .  It took me a while to find this Walmart model.)

The other is one of those small $5 flip lid toolboxes.  In there I have funnels, open gas caps (to use the funnel), closed gas caps, spark plugs (and wrench) and other small items related to the generator and fuel cans.  This tool box fits inside the Tough Tote.

The other stuff inside the Tote is a heavy chain and lock, 10ft generator cord terminated with L14-30, a TT30 to L14-30 hots-bridged pigtail adapter, oil funnel and a couple of quarts of suitable oil, air filters.

(On the house side is an L14-30 power inlet wired to a dedicated breaker in the electrical panel which has the appropriate mechanical interlock.  This way I can use any generator up to 7,500w)


https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4443/37420385391_f50ac6cee1_c.jpgDedicated generator box by Dan Passaro, on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4344/37163204420_f0a056bdea_c.jpgDedicated generator box by Dan Passaro, on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4415/37420384871_31bb8b44b3_c.jpgDedicated generator box by Dan Passaro, on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4366/37163203850_ace034119e_c.jpgDedicated generator box by Dan Passaro, on Flickr
I don't know what the other gens come with but my Champion came with an oil bottle sized to the gen.  I almost trashed it before thinking about it making the fill a little easier.  It'd also fit in your little box to assure you always had an oil change with you.
If you Champion is like most all others you really don't need it. Just fill to the bottom of the threads.
Link Posted: 10/11/2017 10:16:07 AM EST
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If you Champion is like most all others you really don't need it. Just fill to the bottom of the threads.
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Originally Posted By tango1978:
Originally Posted By FL4REAL:
Originally Posted By danpass:
Just an FYI to those new to owning gennys, the little things:

Have a dedicated container.  

I have two, one is a Walmart StyleWorks Tough Tote that is similar to the 8gal Rubbermaid ActionPacker (except that the lid flips instead of separating and the edge of the base won't try to suicide you by slitting your wrists like the ActionPacker might .  It took me a while to find this Walmart model.)

The other is one of those small $5 flip lid toolboxes.  In there I have funnels, open gas caps (to use the funnel), closed gas caps, spark plugs (and wrench) and other small items related to the generator and fuel cans.  This tool box fits inside the Tough Tote.

The other stuff inside the Tote is a heavy chain and lock, 10ft generator cord terminated with L14-30, a TT30 to L14-30 hots-bridged pigtail adapter, oil funnel and a couple of quarts of suitable oil, air filters.

(On the house side is an L14-30 power inlet wired to a dedicated breaker in the electrical panel which has the appropriate mechanical interlock.  This way I can use any generator up to 7,500w)


https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4443/37420385391_f50ac6cee1_c.jpgDedicated generator box by Dan Passaro, on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4344/37163204420_f0a056bdea_c.jpgDedicated generator box by Dan Passaro, on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4415/37420384871_31bb8b44b3_c.jpgDedicated generator box by Dan Passaro, on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4366/37163203850_ace034119e_c.jpgDedicated generator box by Dan Passaro, on Flickr
I don't know what the other gens come with but my Champion came with an oil bottle sized to the gen.  I almost trashed it before thinking about it making the fill a little easier.  It'd also fit in your little box to assure you always had an oil change with you.
If you Champion is like most all others you really don't need it. Just fill to the bottom of the threads.
Exact size bottle makes it quicker, cleaner, and easier filling a little engine inside of an enclosure.  I don't normally buy quart bottles of oil.  My small engines get Delo HDEO.  Of course it's not mandatory but bottle was free so why not.
Link Posted: 10/11/2017 10:19:45 AM EST
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Exact size bottle makes it quicker, cleaner, and easier filling a little engine inside of an enclosure.  I don't normally buy quart bottles of oil.  My small engines get Delo HDEO.  Of course it's not mandatory but bottle was free so why not.
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Originally Posted By FL4REAL:
Originally Posted By tango1978:
Originally Posted By FL4REAL:
Originally Posted By danpass:
Just an FYI to those new to owning gennys, the little things:

Have a dedicated container.  

I have two, one is a Walmart StyleWorks Tough Tote that is similar to the 8gal Rubbermaid ActionPacker (except that the lid flips instead of separating and the edge of the base won't try to suicide you by slitting your wrists like the ActionPacker might .  It took me a while to find this Walmart model.)

The other is one of those small $5 flip lid toolboxes.  In there I have funnels, open gas caps (to use the funnel), closed gas caps, spark plugs (and wrench) and other small items related to the generator and fuel cans.  This tool box fits inside the Tough Tote.

The other stuff inside the Tote is a heavy chain and lock, 10ft generator cord terminated with L14-30, a TT30 to L14-30 hots-bridged pigtail adapter, oil funnel and a couple of quarts of suitable oil, air filters.

(On the house side is an L14-30 power inlet wired to a dedicated breaker in the electrical panel which has the appropriate mechanical interlock.  This way I can use any generator up to 7,500w)


https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4443/37420385391_f50ac6cee1_c.jpgDedicated generator box by Dan Passaro, on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4344/37163204420_f0a056bdea_c.jpgDedicated generator box by Dan Passaro, on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4415/37420384871_31bb8b44b3_c.jpgDedicated generator box by Dan Passaro, on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4366/37163203850_ace034119e_c.jpgDedicated generator box by Dan Passaro, on Flickr
I don't know what the other gens come with but my Champion came with an oil bottle sized to the gen.  I almost trashed it before thinking about it making the fill a little easier.  It'd also fit in your little box to assure you always had an oil change with you.
If you Champion is like most all others you really don't need it. Just fill to the bottom of the threads.
Exact size bottle makes it quicker, cleaner, and easier filling a little engine inside of an enclosure.  I don't normally buy quart bottles of oil.  My small engines get Delo HDEO.  Of course it's not mandatory but bottle was free so why not.
Gotcha. The thread is about inverter style and both of my Champions are not so that makes a difference with the enclosure you mention.
Link Posted: 10/11/2017 4:09:22 PM EST
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Home Depot has a 2kw inverter style generator with a Briggs and Stratton engine on sale for $399.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/PowerBoss-2-000-Watt-Gasoline-Powered-Recoil-Start-Portable-Inverter-with-Engine-030701/300498696
Link Posted: 10/11/2017 4:32:38 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Undefined:
Home Depot has a 2kw inverter style generator with a Briggs and Stratton engine on sale for $399.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/PowerBoss-2-000-Watt-Gasoline-Powered-Recoil-Start-Portable-Inverter-with-Engine-030701/300498696
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No push button nor parallel capability?
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