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Posted: 10/12/2017 9:45:07 AM EST
[#1]
Yamaha sized magnetic dipstick does fit the Quip All.
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Posted: 10/12/2017 2:26:55 PM EST
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thormx538:
I think the HF 3500w inverter is a Chinese XYG3500i I can't seem to find a source for one of them that will ship to the US though Someone should buy like 10 of them on Alibaba and sell them in this thread  |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 7:25:44 PM EST
[#3]
I've always believed that it should be quite simple to add a vacuum fuel pump to a genny and turn the fuel system from a gravity feed to a vacuum feed.
Instead of being the guinea pig I managed to find someone else that has already done it: http://bow.fishingcountry.com/forums/showthread.php?68897-Running-generator-from-boat-tank&p=1050985&viewfull=1#post1050985 What do you guys think of his setup? |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 10/13/2017 2:22:01 PM EST
[Last Edit: two4spooky]
[#4]
@danpass. His setup looks to be needed only because he is using his boats 25 gallon tank which sits at a lower level than his gen. To me his setup is overly complicated unless you also have that same need. If you can place the secondary tank with it's bottom at the level of or higher than the gens fuel tank cap you would not need a fuel pump i would think. Providing someone makes a fuel tank cap that will accept a line or you do the cap mod yourself. Let gravity and the vacuum do the work. It would be simpler anyways. *Edited for spelling and clarity
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Posted: 10/13/2017 2:39:23 PM EST
[#5]
Ordered a Predator 2000 from HF online before the coupon expired in September. Still back ordered. Anyone know when they will restock?
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Posted: 10/13/2017 2:48:03 PM EST
[Last Edit: Bones45]
[#6]
HF parking lot sale this weekend.
HF 3200/4k standard genny $288 This is a good price for a decent genny. I have one, it's decent, not really noisy. The tailgator is going for like $87, too. Might be worth swinging by to see if they have any inverter gennys not on the circular. ETA 2k inverter for 429. |
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Posted: 10/13/2017 8:25:17 PM EST
[#7]
Found a Honda EU6500iS for $1k locally...
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Posted: 10/13/2017 8:34:38 PM EST
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jefflebowski:
Found a Honda EU6500iS for $1k locally... I found this dual fuel 2kw inverter generator that looks damn near perfect to me. |
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Posted: 10/13/2017 9:10:29 PM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined:
You bought it, right? I found this dual fuel 2kw inverter generator that looks damn near perfect to me. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined:
Originally Posted By jefflebowski:
Found a Honda EU6500iS for $1k locally... I found this dual fuel 2kw inverter generator that looks damn near perfect to me. Gents, take a look at this at Walmart |
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Posted: 10/13/2017 9:12:42 PM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jefflebowski:
I won’t be in that area until Monday, but prolly will. That’s a $3200 generator... Gents, take a look at this at Walmart Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jefflebowski:
Originally Posted By Undefined:
Originally Posted By jefflebowski:
Found a Honda EU6500iS for $1k locally... I found this dual fuel 2kw inverter generator that looks damn near perfect to me. Gents, take a look at this at Walmart |
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Posted: 10/13/2017 9:24:45 PM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined:
Sam's has, or had, the same thing in green for $594. |
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Posted: 10/13/2017 9:28:54 PM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jefflebowski:
As does Walmart. https://www.walmart.com/ip/Sportsman-3000-Watt-Inverter-Generator/38247173. This is like playing detective, this seems to be the same design as the HF 3500 sans the push button start, but with the 240 outlet? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jefflebowski:
Originally Posted By Undefined:
Sam's has, or had, the same thing in green for $594. |
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Posted: 10/13/2017 9:31:54 PM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined:
I don't see a 240 outlet. |
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Posted: 10/13/2017 9:35:56 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jefflebowski:
You’re right. I just need to get that Honda EU6500. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jefflebowski:
Originally Posted By Undefined:
I don't see a 240 outlet. It will either already be gone by Monday, or is a scam. Watch your cornhole. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 10/13/2017 9:42:06 PM EST
[#15]
Does anyone have the predator 3500? If so when standing at the back of it when its started what is the air coming off the left side of the muffler/exhaust... Does mine have an exhaust leak or is that the air cooling for the engine?
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Posted: 10/13/2017 9:45:39 PM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined:
A Honda EU6500 for $1k is fucking unreal. It will either already be gone by Monday, or is a scam. Watch your cornhole. |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 10/14/2017 1:18:11 AM EST
[#17]
A few posters seem to be putting the hours on. How about some details on "longevity" of these little inverters. Keeping with the spirit if the thread maybe just the more affordable Chicom units. Is anybody interested? Mine is barely broke in, more run time this weekend hopefully, but I still think it was a great value. I'll go first:
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Posted: 10/14/2017 9:06:10 AM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined:
A Honda EU6500 for $1k is fucking unreal. It will either already be gone by Monday, or is a scam. Watch your cornhole. |
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Posted: 10/14/2017 11:08:08 AM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jefflebowski:
Scam. Non-local phone number embedded within the pic. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jefflebowski:
Originally Posted By Undefined:
A Honda EU6500 for $1k is fucking unreal. It will either already be gone by Monday, or is a scam. Watch your cornhole. case in point: https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/spo/d/champion-3500-watt-dual-fuel/6311871027.html same gen on camping world: http://www.campingworld.com/shopping/item/champion-3500-watt-dual-fuel-rv-ready-portable-inverter-generator-with-electric-start/93723 |
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Posted: 10/14/2017 3:43:56 PM EST
[#20]
Has anyone looked at the Sportsman line? Sams club sells them and they get good reviews.
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Posted: 10/14/2017 3:53:05 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bantis:
Has anyone looked at the Sportsman line? Sams club sells them and they get good reviews. |
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Posted: 10/14/2017 3:57:53 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bantis:
Has anyone looked at the Sportsman line? Sams club sells them and they get good reviews. |
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Posted: 10/14/2017 6:08:35 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Engineer5:
It's been posted throughout this thread. |
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Posted: 10/14/2017 6:17:19 PM EST
[#24]
I finally got a chance to break in the champion digital hybrid.
First impressions it has a very good fit and finish, started first pull & although it ran rough with eco turned on but it smoothed out under load and after 5 hours it smoothed out. It never gets down to idle, more like 1/2 throttle. Manual says to break it in for 5 hours on a varying load on regular oil then it's ok to switch to synthetic. I found out a manual oil filled heater makes a great load bank. It has a setting for 600, 1200 and 1800 watts & the thermostat will cycle it on and off. As far as noise , it's quieter than a standard generator when it's in eco mode under a small load. Once it's at full throttle it sounds similar to my Honda EB3500x. I would say my eu2000 is quieter at full throttle than the digital hybrid is with eco mode turned on. |
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Posted: 10/14/2017 6:19:45 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bantis:
Has anyone looked at the Sportsman line? Sams club sells them and they get good reviews. No 240v on either - paid like $250.00 and $150.00 shipped so good deal so far. |
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Posted: 10/14/2017 6:41:23 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined:
A Honda EU6500 for $1k is fucking unreal. It will either already be gone by Monday, or is a scam. Watch your cornhole. |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 10/14/2017 11:12:02 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By two4spooky:
A few posters seem to be putting the hours on. How about some details on "longevity" of these little inverters. Keeping with the spirit if the thread maybe just the more affordable Chicom units. Is anybody interested? Mine is barely broke in, more run time this weekend hopefully, but I still think it was a great value. I'll go first:
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Posted: 10/15/2017 7:30:01 AM EST
[#28]
Got a tailgator.....
Test ran yesterday morning. 
Used it last night for lighting and the fans for a BBQ with the wife. 
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AL, USA
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Posted: 10/15/2017 2:06:41 PM EST
[Last Edit: two4spooky]
[#29]
I guess the Quip-All and other similar inverters(DuroMax, Pulsar, Powermate, ect.) use a Yamaha clone engine from a different factory. Maybe? http://s655.photobucket.com/user/two4spooky/media/aviary-image-1507173347273_zpsutfo4lwb.jpeg.html
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By phatmax:
@two4spooky The stickers are a little different. The Predator one does not seem to have a factory on it. The laser etch on the case however tells enough of the story, that I am comfortable saying they are the same. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/38726/20171004_115331-324118.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/38726/20171004_115700-324119.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/38726/20171004_115714-324120.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/38726/20171004_115805-324122.JPG |
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Posted: 10/15/2017 3:49:27 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By two4spooky:
I guess the Quip-All and other similar inverters(DuroMax, Pulsar, Powermate, ect.) use a Yamaha clone engine from a different factory. Maybe? http://s655.photobucket.com/user/two4spooky/media/aviary-image-1507173347273_zpsutfo4lwb.jpeg.html] Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By two4spooky:
I guess the Quip-All and other similar inverters(DuroMax, Pulsar, Powermate, ect.) use a Yamaha clone engine from a different factory. Maybe? http://s655.photobucket.com/user/two4spooky/media/aviary-image-1507173347273_zpsutfo4lwb.jpeg.html] Originally Posted By phatmax:
@two4spooky The stickers are a little different. The Predator one does not seem to have a factory on it. The laser etch on the case however tells enough of the story, that I am comfortable saying they are the same. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/38726/20171004_115331-324118.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/38726/20171004_115700-324119.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/38726/20171004_115714-324120.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/38726/20171004_115805-324122.JPG |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 10/15/2017 4:58:37 PM EST
[#31]
I could not get the pic to show.
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Posted: 10/15/2017 9:12:23 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
Wasn't the cap vent valve. The issue was in the carb and admittedly I'm still not clear. See problem symptoms, last post currently, in this thread... https://www.ar15.com/forums/outdoors/Anyone-tried-hacking-an-inverter-generator-parallel-cable-to-get-240VAC-out-of-it-/17-690439/&page=1&anc=11814900#i11814900 I took the carb apart in my lab [more resources than at the mtn] and studied it in great detail using magnification, medical lighting instruments and an otoscope and I think, know all the orifices, passages, jets, etc ---incl some almost microscopic and also found an obscure black plastic jet that none of the Honda experts on YouTube seem to be aware of. When I removed it, I damaged an O-ring and decided to modify one to fit. H-F has an inexpensive kit of Viton O-rings and I took the 2nd or 3rd smallest and 'machined' it to fit the removed one that had a different dimension [.080 ID and .137" OD, but I may be off] [The important thing about this is I discovered a way to take a standard size O-ring and modify it to a more of less 'specialty' size.] What I did to narrow the diagnosis was to spray some DustOff in the area of the carb gaskets, etc, to see if something was leaking. Got the idea to do this while I was sleeping.
What I found is the DustOff would kill the engine, when a very small amount was sprayed near the red tube 'A', clipped to the upper right side of the carb.. There was no leak thru any gasket and our other EU2000 did the same thing. There's a red tube [3 actually] from the carb and there's a orifice [~.045" IIRC] in a 'Y' where two are joined at the bottom of the genny enclosure. One [tube 'A'] is open vented to atmosphere and clipped to the carb, the other tube from the 'Y' goes to a fitting that opens into the carb bowl above the level of the fuel. [The 3rd red tube connects to the bowl drain fitting and is independent of anything else --not a factor] Apparently there is some sort of gaseous circulation/flow from the top of the red vent tube, down to the 'Y' and back up the other tube to the interior of the carb. [---That I don't understand] The bottom of the 'Y' is connected to a short [~1"] length of the red tubing and vents under the genny [if the bowl were to overfill, the excess gasoline would drain through the tube attached to the carb vent fitting and would fall thru under the genny. When the DustOff flooded tube 'A', the open vent tube clipped to the top of the carb, somehow [I have yet to discover why] the engine starts to cut off. Stopping the DustOff, the engine recovers. As far as the ORIGINAL engine problem.... When I 'sucked' [extremely gently] or applied extremely slight positive pressure to the tube connecting to the carb bowl, I could correct the failure and the genny would run fine ---after removing my mouth. The rest of the story needs to wait until I do the topic with pix in the Surv-Forum. It will have suggestions for maintenance, tools, spares/prices/sources, diagnostic tips, etc. |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 10/15/2017 9:46:45 PM EST
[Last Edit: two4spooky]
[#33]
Okay, in the Quip-All the inverter box looks like a direct copy of Honda's from what I can tell. Aluminum finned pan with electronics epoxied in visible from one side. Really similar to my eyes with only the brand of some of the pieces being different. The inverter box of the Sportsman 16/2000W like Sam's Club is selling is different, a flat rectangle finned enclosed aluminum box. Question: What does the inverter on the WEN/HF Predator look like? I know it's hard to see in the pics. I guess it does not matter too much as I can't get pics to display.
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AL, USA
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Posted: 10/16/2017 12:05:00 AM EST
[Last Edit: two4spooky]
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By two4spooky:
Six more hours, still only 18 total, with 300-1100 watt varying load. During the last hour I put a 1600 watt(measured) resistive load for 30 minutes. The inverter picked up the 1600w load from ECO-ON fine, red overload never came on, handling the load but only just barely. The 80cc engine seemed to be struggling to keep the 1600w going, not sure if it would handle that many watts for an extended period. From memory, the Quip-All I have gives 124.4V no load with Eco on or off, 123.xV with the 300-1100W load and kept 120.1-120.2V with the 1600W load. 60.0 Hertz consistently, dipped to 59.9 with 1600W load. So:
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Posted: 10/17/2017 5:34:37 AM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By two4spooky:
Twenty-five hours total so I guess the Quip-All is past the break-in stage. I can stop trying to add hours and changing the oil so often. Seven more hours today with same 300-1100W load handled easily. I tried 1400W and 1650W load during the last hour. The Q-A held the 1650W better this time with 120.5-120.7V & 60.0 Hertz and the engine did not seem to be struggling so badly. Don't know if the slightly better performance is because of more hours on the engine or slightly cooler evening temp. USB port works but at a low rate, my phone did not switch into "fast charge" mode. USB worked with or without 120V sockets supply power. Still happy with it and surprised with the apparent quality. Cranks first pull cold or hot with correct use of choke. Uses very little fuel, first tank lasted ~12 hours(some of that time was with zero load). Looks like it will at least come close to supplying rated power. If the Q-A last a decent length of time it will have been a great value at $329.
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Posted: 10/17/2017 7:29:54 AM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jefflebowski:
I wonder if the front panel on this and the other variants of this design (HF 2000w for example) have a fairly standard layout/use commonly available parts? I'd prefer high speed USB charging ports over the 12v port on some of these variants. https://powerwerx.com/backlit-blue-panel-mount-usb |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 10/17/2017 10:46:54 AM EST
[#37]
Give me until this weekend and I will get some pics of the wiring going to the front panel. Someone with an understanding of electronics will have to chime in on how the alternate USB would go in.
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Posted: 10/17/2017 11:46:54 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By two4spooky:
Give me until this weekend and I will get some pics of the wiring going to the front panel. Someone with an understanding of electronics will have to chime in on how the alternate USB would go in. |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 1:09:52 PM EST
[Last Edit: Desert_AIP]
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined:
If you can live without the cigarette lighter socket, just unscrew it and put a USB charger in its place. They make them in the same standard size. All you have to do is connect the two wires and not reverse the polarity. 2x 2.4A USB ports. https://www.amazon.com/Charger-RAVPower-Smallest-Adapter-Charging/dp/B071FHZRQN/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1508263744&sr=8-3&keywords=12v+lighter+usb+charger 
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OH, USA
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Posted: 10/17/2017 2:31:05 PM EST
[Last Edit: hkx3]
[#40]
I now have a documented 22 hours run time on mine.
Oil has been changed once. Using Mobil One, not synthetic. No smoke, no problems. It also ran the charger on a SkyJack (apparently too many amps, but it revved to the moon and got it going LOL) ETA: Only thing I notice I dont like, is the side access panel is hard to get back on and not miss a tab. My exhaust screen is turning brown from carbon. Is everyone elses? |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 3:31:56 PM EST
[Last Edit: Gamma762]
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hkx3:
I now have a documented 22 hours run time on mine. |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 10/17/2017 8:14:40 PM EST
[Last Edit: two4spooky]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hkx3:
My exhaust screen is turning brown from carbon. Is everyone elses? |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 10/17/2017 8:23:56 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gamma762:
I don't know that this thread is the right venue for ongoing run reports on every type of generator. Maybe a separate thread for those if folks want to do that. |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 8:40:00 PM EST
[#44]
1kw inverter generator for $179.99.
No parallel. No push button. No frills, but $220 cheaper than the Predator 2000 for those that are willing to settle. https://www.target.com/p/gasoline-120-volts-1000-surge-watts-portable-inverter-generator-green-sportsman/-/A-51578201 |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 10:37:51 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined:
1kw inverter generator for $179.99. No parallel. No push button. No frills, but $220 cheaper than the Predator 2000 for those that are willing to settle. https://www.target.com/p/gasoline-120-volts-1000-surge-watts-portable-inverter-generator-green-sportsman/-/A-51578201 |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 10:39:23 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By two4spooky:
Why would it not be? The discussion is budget generators. Longevity is one my main concerns along with output. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By two4spooky:
Originally Posted By Gamma762:
I don't know that this thread is the right venue for ongoing run reports on every type of generator. Maybe a separate thread for those if folks want to do that. |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 10:43:13 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jefflebowski:
Excellent find! Who’s going to help us find out how to add parallel capability? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jefflebowski:
Originally Posted By Undefined:
1kw inverter generator for $179.99. No parallel. No push button. No frills, but $220 cheaper than the Predator 2000 for those that are willing to settle. https://www.target.com/p/gasoline-120-volts-1000-surge-watts-portable-inverter-generator-green-sportsman/-/A-51578201 Don't reverse the polarity and use appropriate wiring (10 AWG should do). Properly crimp and heatshrink your connectors (and, please, don't use those cheap ass hard nylon insulated connectors). |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 10:53:14 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined:
Buy a parallel kit (doesn't matter what brand, they are not smart). Pull up a wiring diagram and tap into the 120AC before the circuit breaker. Drill a couple of holes in the faceplate and put in an appropriate connector to match your parallel kit. Don't reverse the polarity and use appropriate wiring (10 AWG should do). Properly crimp and heatshrink your connectors (and, please, don't use those cheap ass hard nylon insulated connectors). Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined:
Originally Posted By jefflebowski:
Originally Posted By Undefined:
1kw inverter generator for $179.99. No parallel. No push button. No frills, but $220 cheaper than the Predator 2000 for those that are willing to settle. https://www.target.com/p/gasoline-120-volts-1000-surge-watts-portable-inverter-generator-green-sportsman/-/A-51578201 Don't reverse the polarity and use appropriate wiring (10 AWG should do). Properly crimp and heatshrink your connectors (and, please, don't use those cheap ass hard nylon insulated connectors). 
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Posted: 10/17/2017 10:54:19 PM EST
[#49]
Somebody talk me out of the HF 3500w inverter with warranty.
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Posted: 10/17/2017 10:56:48 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jefflebowski:
Yeah, Marine here. Need pikters
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/109690/25BF1105-3DEE-488F-8C7D-1D3ACE365EFA-336597.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jefflebowski:
Originally Posted By Undefined:
Originally Posted By jefflebowski:
Originally Posted By Undefined:
1kw inverter generator for $179.99. No parallel. No push button. No frills, but $220 cheaper than the Predator 2000 for those that are willing to settle. https://www.target.com/p/gasoline-120-volts-1000-surge-watts-portable-inverter-generator-green-sportsman/-/A-51578201 Don't reverse the polarity and use appropriate wiring (10 AWG should do). Properly crimp and heatshrink your connectors (and, please, don't use those cheap ass hard nylon insulated connectors).
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/109690/25BF1105-3DEE-488F-8C7D-1D3ACE365EFA-336597.JPG Mmmm.... electricity is fun |
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