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Posted: 10/17/2017 11:58:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jefflebowski:
Somebody talk me out of the HF 3500w inverter with warranty. If you need a generator and can live without 240v (in other words, if you can live without air conditioning), buy one. If you live in a cold climate, keep a good sleeping bag handy in case you aren't comfortable living without your furnace. Cold is easy. Put on more warm stuff. Hot is hard. Can only take off so much. |
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Posted: 10/18/2017 8:31:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: jefflebowski]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined:
No. If you need a generator and can live without 240v (in other words, if you can live without air conditioning), buy one. If you live in a cold climate, keep a good sleeping bag handy in case you aren't comfortable living without your furnace. Cold is easy. Put on more warm stuff. Hot is hard. Can only take off so much. |
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Posted: 10/18/2017 9:03:57 AM EDT
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Got cut off in my first pass at my last post, updated it.
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Posted: 10/18/2017 12:32:48 PM EDT
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This cord should work with any 120v generators.
 
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Posted: 10/18/2017 2:57:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined:
This cord should work with any 120v generators. www.amazon.com/dp/B00RW9Z0WA You might be able to parallel one of these with a dissimilar unit that does have parallel capability. You'd have to start the non parallel genny first and allow the second one to sync to it. Then yes, this cord should work. |
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Posted: 10/18/2017 3:07:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jefflebowski:
Well, I already have a smoke and noise Champion 3500 that runs well after I fixed its surging idle issue and that can run AC/well pump and maybe the water heater? I'm envisioning soner or later getting an elctrician to install a hookup for the Champion to run the well/water heater and keeping the 3500 for all other duties, mainly because of its wife-friendly ease of use. |
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Posted: 10/18/2017 3:16:12 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jefflebowski:
Somebody talk me out of the HF 3500w inverter with warranty. 
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Posted: 10/18/2017 3:24:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bones45:
Because the HF standard genny at 3200w/4000w goes on sale for $299 and will cover 99% of your needs? A good mix of equipment might be a 1 or 2 k inverter for electronics and the standard one for everything else, which is why this thread is going to cost me $179 for that one from target. |
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Posted: 10/18/2017 3:26:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined:
No. If you need a generator and can live without 240v (in other words, if you can live without air conditioning), buy one. If you live in a cold climate, keep a good sleeping bag handy in case you aren't comfortable living without your furnace. Cold is easy. Put on more warm stuff. Hot is hard. Can only take off so much. |
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Posted: 10/18/2017 7:11:43 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jefflebowski:
So, 3500w justified or a nice to have? |
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Posted: 10/18/2017 8:57:16 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jefflebowski:
Somebody talk me out of the HF 3500w inverter with warranty. 
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Posted: 10/19/2017 12:43:05 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By danpass:
NoBuyTwoInstead ... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By danpass:
Originally Posted By jefflebowski:
Somebody talk me out of the HF 3500w inverter with warranty. |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 1:04:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Gamma762]
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined:
Buy a parallel kit (doesn't matter what brand, they are not smart). Pull up a wiring diagram and tap into the 120AC before the circuit breaker. Drill a couple of holes in the faceplate and put in an appropriate connector to match your parallel kit. Don't reverse the polarity and use appropriate wiring (10 AWG should do). Properly crimp and heatshrink your connectors (and, please, don't use those cheap ass hard nylon insulated connectors). Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined:
Originally Posted By jefflebowski:
Originally Posted By Undefined:
1kw inverter generator for $179.99. No parallel. No push button. No frills, but $220 cheaper than the Predator 2000 for those that are willing to settle. https://www.target.com/p/gasoline-120-volts-1000-surge-watts-portable-inverter-generator-green-sportsman/-/A-51578201 Don't reverse the polarity and use appropriate wiring (10 AWG should do). Properly crimp and heatshrink your connectors (and, please, don't use those cheap ass hard nylon insulated connectors). There is a parallel kit on the market that is just two household style plugs that go into the two generators. One could easily homebrew something similar, if one was willing to accept the potential hazard of a live positive plug. Apparently the only reason for the "parallel kit" plugs is that they are shrouded. ETA: too slow, it's linked above. |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 7:51:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: jefflebowski]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2tired2run:
Strangely they don't have a parallel kit for those yet but one could be easily fabricated, there's a ton of youtube videos of people paralleling 3 + gens. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2tired2run:
Originally Posted By danpass:
Originally Posted By jefflebowski:
Somebody talk me out of the HF 3500w inverter with warranty. |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 12:22:25 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jefflebowski:
Actually, they do. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jefflebowski:
Originally Posted By 2tired2run:
Originally Posted By danpass:
Originally Posted By jefflebowski:
Somebody talk me out of the HF 3500w inverter with warranty. The champion one seems to be a better buy 
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Posted: 10/19/2017 1:00:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2tired2run:
I meant the HF one specifically but that one would work. However $100 for that is huge rippoff. The plug is $38 on amazon. The champion one seems to be a better buy www.amazon.com/dp/B06XW2929Z Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2tired2run:
Originally Posted By jefflebowski:
Originally Posted By 2tired2run:
Originally Posted By danpass:
Originally Posted By jefflebowski:
Somebody talk me out of the HF 3500w inverter with warranty. The champion one seems to be a better buy www.amazon.com/dp/B06XW2929Z |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 1:01:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jefflebowski:
Fo'ed. $7 for shipping, no shit. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jefflebowski:
Originally Posted By jefflebowski:
So, 3500w justified or a nice to have? |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 2:53:32 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gamma762:
I don't know that this thread is the right venue for ongoing run reports on every type of generator. Maybe a separate thread for those if folks want to do that. |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 2:59:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SR712]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jefflebowski:
On backorder, but at least it's done. |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 3:28:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SR712:
Amazon has them for $69. Nothing about a backorder.... it ships from Amazon and they are pretty good about their own inventory I think. Free shipping if you have Prime. |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 4:14:55 PM EDT
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You gentlemen are a bad influence. Now I feel compelled to get an inverter style generator.
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Posted: 10/19/2017 4:25:46 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined:
You gentlemen are a bad influence. Now I feel compelled to get an inverter style generator. |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 4:30:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Admiral_Crunch]
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined:
You gentlemen are a bad influence. Now I feel compelled to get an inverter style generator. Just relax. Thaaat's right. Relax your grip on your wallet. Breathe out slowly, and feel all that pent-up cash just melt away.... |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 4:43:53 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined:
You gentlemen are a bad influence. Now I feel compelled to get an inverter style generator. |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 4:46:10 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined:
You gentlemen are a bad influence. Now I feel compelled to get an inverter style generator. |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 4:47:12 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By onealphay2k:
You sir have single handedly done more damage to my wallet than any other member on this site and I am extremely thankful. You need an inverter style generator. Do It! 
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Posted: 10/19/2017 5:07:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By onealphay2k:
You sir have single handedly done more damage to my wallet than any other member on this site and I am extremely thankful. You need an inverter style generator. Do It! |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 6:12:46 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jefflebowski:
Sorry, I was talking about my HF 3500w inverter genny I just ordered. |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 6:14:44 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined:
You gentlemen are a bad influence. Now I feel compelled to get an inverter style generator. |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 6:15:48 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SR712:
What was your final price, delivered? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SR712:
Originally Posted By jefflebowski:
Sorry, I was talking about my HF 3500w inverter genny I just ordered. |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 6:26:10 PM EDT
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Help with some wiring please.
My current 220 VAC dryer plug is this:  Attached FileThe generator connector is this:  Attached FileIt has white, black, red and green wires in the cable. How do I hook the 4 wires to a 3 wire plug. Thanks |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 7:07:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scubadown:
Help with some wiring please. My current 220 VAC dryer plug is this: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/16393/220-2-338145.JPG The generator connector is this: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/16393/220-1-338147.JPG It has white, black, red and green wires in the cable. How do I hook the 4 wires to a 3 wire plug. Thanks Don't. |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 7:13:01 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Desert_AIP:
Are you trying to backfeed? Don't. |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 7:20:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: GLHX2112]
[#34]
Learned something new today. If your Predator does not have enough oil in it, it i will run for about 5 or 6 seconds and then just shut down.
And then you spend a day or so trying to figure out what is wrong, checking everything, until you finally position yourself so you can see the front panel while trying to start the generator and see the Low Oil warning light come in before it shuts down. Duh......
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Posted: 10/19/2017 7:50:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined:
You gentlemen are a bad influence. Now I feel compelled to get an inverter style generator.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 8:02:56 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined:
No. If you need a generator and can live without 240v (in other words, if you can live without air conditioning), buy one. If you live in a cold climate, keep a good sleeping bag handy in case you aren't comfortable living without your furnace. Cold is easy. Put on more warm stuff. Hot is hard. Can only take off so much. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined:
Originally Posted By jefflebowski:
Somebody talk me out of the HF 3500w inverter with warranty. If you need a generator and can live without 240v (in other words, if you can live without air conditioning), buy one. If you live in a cold climate, keep a good sleeping bag handy in case you aren't comfortable living without your furnace. Cold is easy. Put on more warm stuff. Hot is hard. Can only take off so much. No furnace is not an option. Water pipes can and will freeze and if they burst it's even worse. |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 8:04:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scubadown:
Anybody else with some actual help? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scubadown:
Originally Posted By Desert_AIP:
Are you trying to backfeed? Don't. |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 8:07:34 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kingoftheroad:
Up here we have something called winter. It can be below 0 degrees before the windchill. No furnace is not an option. Water pipes can and will freeze and if they burst it's even worse. |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 8:11:10 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By phatmax:
If you can't backfeed, wood fires, kero heaters, forced and passive; electric heaters, engine warmers and blankets run off the generator. Judicious use should keep bursting to a minimum. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By phatmax:
Originally Posted By kingoftheroad:
Up here we have something called winter. It can be below 0 degrees before the windchill. No furnace is not an option. Water pipes can and will freeze and if they burst it's even worse. |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 8:15:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scubadown:
Anybody else with some actual help? _ The simplest, acceptable, method to "backfeed" the panel is: - Breaker panel mechanical interlock with breaker dedicated to generator use - External power inlet dedicated to generator use  Mechanical Interlock for house generator by Dan Passaro, on Flickr
 Whole house generator hookup by Dan Passaro, on Flickr
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Posted: 10/19/2017 8:31:58 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kingoftheroad:
Everyone in a winter zone would laugh at your methods. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kingoftheroad:
Originally Posted By phatmax:
Originally Posted By kingoftheroad:
Up here we have something called winter. It can be below 0 degrees before the windchill. No furnace is not an option. Water pipes can and will freeze and if they burst it's even worse. |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 8:35:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scubadown:
Help with some wiring please. My current 220 VAC dryer plug is this: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/16393/220-2-338145.JPG The generator connector is this: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/16393/220-1-338147.JPG It has white, black, red and green wires in the cable. How do I hook the 4 wires to a 3 wire plug. Thanks Should do some reading though as far as the safe way to go about what you are trying to accomplish. |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 8:50:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kingoftheroad:
Everyone in a winter zone would laugh at your methods. Inductive heaters on pipes, while letting water run a little? I do get how shitty ruptured pipes are. |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 8:59:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By phatmax:
I don't have a ton of experience, willing to admit, but without a furnace, what would you do? It sounds like there might be a lack in insulation, maybe older construction? Inductive heaters on pipes, while letting water run a little? I do get how shitty ruptured pipes are. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By phatmax:
Originally Posted By kingoftheroad:
Everyone in a winter zone would laugh at your methods. Inductive heaters on pipes, while letting water run a little? I do get how shitty ruptured pipes are. To put heaters on your pipes probably means removing drywall. I am not sure how many electric heaters you think a small genny would operate. Some homes will have frozen pipes faster than others depending on construction. |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 9:08:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By frankiebagadonuts:
If it wasn't for the fuel shortage that occurred here during Irma, I would have just bought a normal generator. Since I don't want to store 50 gallons of gas to feed a normal generator for 3-4 days, I considered a more fuel efficient inverter type a must. If you aren't worried about being able to resupply fuel during an outage, it might not be worth it for you. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By frankiebagadonuts:
Originally Posted By Undefined:
You gentlemen are a bad influence. Now I feel compelled to get an inverter style generator. I also already have a dual fuel non-inverter generator, a homemade "solar generator" (I hate the term, but googling it will show what I mean) battery pack, an several solar panels ranging from 150w down to 14w. |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 9:11:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kingoftheroad:
Without a furnace I suppose you can either try to shut off the water and drain the pipes, or leave to faucets on to keep water flowing. To put heaters on your pipes probably means removing drywall. I am not sure how many electric heaters you think a small genny would operate. Some homes will have frozen pipes faster than others depending on construction. |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 10:25:10 PM EDT
[#47]
Fuck it, I fent on a Westinghouse WH2200iXLT.
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Posted: 10/19/2017 11:50:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Desert_AIP]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scubadown:
Anybody else with some actual help? There's NO WAY to back feed via that 240V outlet because its three prong, there's NO WAY to route a neutral through it. If you route the neutral through the ground you leave the generator ungrounded. So the safest advice is don't even try. If you have no idea what L1, L2, N and GND are, then you are in over your head. If you do, then you don't need internet advice. Jesus, I'm trying to help you smart guy. |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 12:00:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: CIE]
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My tiny bit of input:
Picked up a 2000 Watt Champion inverter for $460 on Amazon. She purrs real nice. Very quiet and will run the microwave in my camper (something the other small genni's have struggled with). I'm going to pick up another with a parallel kit. Hopefully it'll run my A/C like that. Back to the HF love fest....  |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 2:31:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Gamma762]
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Desert_AIP:
You OBVIOUSLY have no idea what you're doing. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Desert_AIP:
Originally Posted By scubadown:
Anybody else with some actual help? There's NO WAY to back feed via that 240V outlet because its three prong, there's NO WAY to route a neutral through it. If you route the neutral through the ground you leave the generator ungrounded. If you have no idea what L1, L2, N and GND are, then you are in over your head. Click To View Spoiler Many/most generators have neutral and ground connected at the generator, so having that extra conductor does nothing other than add weight and cost to your cord. Inverter generators apparently often don't have those bonded, but as described earlier in this thread, it's necessary to bond them together at the generator in some circumstances. So the connection method is to connect L1 (black) to L1, L2 (red) to L2, and Neutral (white) to Neutral. The ground connection on the generator plug is unused. As posted many times, there is serious potential hazard in doing what you describe. You must ensure that the house is completely disconnected from the power grid via main breakers or power pole disconnect. There is also a hazard of having lethal live voltage on a male plug, so make sure everything is connected before energizing the cord and/or put a disconnect in the cord assembly. There are safer, but more costly and involved methods of connecting a generator. |
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