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Posted: 10/24/2017 11:53:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Engineer5:
I finally finished the five hour break in on my new Champion Digital Hybrid 4000/3500. Started easy each time. I'm running 91 octane no ethanol fuel. Book says it will run 10% blend just fine.....no thanks. Changed the oil and it was surprisingly clean. Comes with a nice little funnel, USB plug adapter and battery charging cable. Book list NGK equivalent plug so I went ahead and orderd a few of those to have on hand. I have to say this one is louder than I thought on full speed. On ECO mode is much quieter of course. I did have it sitting out behind the garage which is a block wall so that didn't help with the sound. Thinking of building some kind of box/shelter for it or maybe running it out in the shed if need be. Also have an hour meter on order. For $497 shipped i'm happy. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/84711/004_JPG-341807.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/84711/005_JPG-341808.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/84711/003_JPG-341806.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/84711/006_JPG-341813.jpg What's your fuel consumption? |
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Posted: 10/25/2017 8:39:47 AM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2tired2run:
How loud is it in comparison to a standard inverter unit? What's your fuel consumption? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2tired2run:
Originally Posted By Engineer5:
I finally finished the five hour break in on my new Champion Digital Hybrid 4000/3500. Started easy each time. I'm running 91 octane no ethanol fuel. Book says it will run 10% blend just fine.....no thanks. Changed the oil and it was surprisingly clean. Comes with a nice little funnel, USB plug adapter and battery charging cable. Book list NGK equivalent plug so I went ahead and orderd a few of those to have on hand. I have to say this one is louder than I thought on full speed. On ECO mode is much quieter of course. I did have it sitting out behind the garage which is a block wall so that didn't help with the sound. Thinking of building some kind of box/shelter for it or maybe running it out in the shed if need be. Also have an hour meter on order. For $497 shipped i'm happy. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/84711/004_JPG-341807.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/84711/005_JPG-341808.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/84711/003_JPG-341806.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/84711/006_JPG-341813.jpg What's your fuel consumption? The champion doesn't go down to idle under no load , maybe 1/2 or less. No idea on fuel consumption. I broke it in, changed the oil and shelved it. |
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Posted: 10/25/2017 9:06:46 AM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2tired2run:
How loud is it in comparison to a standard inverter unit? What's your fuel consumption? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2tired2run:
Originally Posted By Engineer5:
I finally finished the five hour break in on my new Champion Digital Hybrid 4000/3500. Started easy each time. I'm running 91 octane no ethanol fuel. Book says it will run 10% blend just fine.....no thanks. Changed the oil and it was surprisingly clean. Comes with a nice little funnel, USB plug adapter and battery charging cable. Book list NGK equivalent plug so I went ahead and orderd a few of those to have on hand. I have to say this one is louder than I thought on full speed. On ECO mode is much quieter of course. I did have it sitting out behind the garage which is a block wall so that didn't help with the sound. Thinking of building some kind of box/shelter for it or maybe running it out in the shed if need be. Also have an hour meter on order. For $497 shipped i'm happy. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/84711/004_JPG-341807.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/84711/005_JPG-341808.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/84711/003_JPG-341806.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/84711/006_JPG-341813.jpg What's your fuel consumption? |
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Posted: 10/26/2017 4:39:10 PM EDT
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I was reprimanded by a very important poster last time... but
My Harbor Freight 2000 Invertor now has 32 hours, actually a small amount over. Oil has been changed 3x now I noted on oil change #2, where the gen pulled a large fan, stereo, and circular saw for roughly 6 hours, the oil smelled like exhaust very badly. Not sure what is going on there. |
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Posted: 10/26/2017 4:52:21 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Banditman:
Who is going to close it? A ghost? Do you have any loaded arms in your house? What keeps others from shooting it. People should be responsible for their own actions. But your post was pure stupidity. Or protect and expound their turf... |
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Posted: 10/26/2017 4:53:48 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CVO:
I am all ears, why don't you tell. 
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Posted: 10/26/2017 4:55:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: EXPY37]
[#7]
I'd like to know who will support re parts, all these similar 'off brand' clones???
Could they be considered to be semi-disposable? |
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Posted: 10/26/2017 6:13:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hkx3:
I noted on oil change #2, where the gen pulled a large fan, stereo, and circular saw for roughly 6 hours, the oil smelled like exhaust very badly. Not sure what is going on there. Typically, it's worse on a new engine (until the rings get broken in), and when the engine is being worked hard (higher combustion chamber pressure). |
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Posted: 10/26/2017 7:34:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GunLvrPHD:
Would it be safe to run one on a condo balcony? |
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Posted: 10/26/2017 7:49:17 PM EDT
[#10]
Westinghouse generator #2 (replacement) was a success. No rattle / scratching noises.
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Posted: 10/26/2017 7:54:05 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
He doesn't know Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By CVO:
I am all ears, why don't you tell.  Attached FileWhat happens to a motor that is spinning when you turn the power off? Expy....you should know from the TRT thread I don't spout BS
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Posted: 10/26/2017 8:15:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By two4spooky:
I would be interested. The Honda EU2000i is a known quantity. The Yamaha seems less so. I have found little on the Chicom clones other than cost and unboxing videos. More information is always helpful. You can IM me a link if you like. |
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Posted: 10/26/2017 8:17:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Desert_AIP:
Back feeding is dangerous and you know it. For other reasons than grounding, especially by a novice. I mentioned routing the neutral through the ground, with the caveat the generator would remain ungrounded. Every generator manual I've read describes attaching a ground lead to the grounding screw. If you're hooking into a house panel, that occurs through the grounding lug of the outlet. Neutral and ground aren't bonded on my EU2000. I doubt they are on my Preadtor 7000. But I wasn't going to describe a step by step how to. Look at that pic of the dryer plug. It's got romex hanging off of it instead of SOOW appliance cord. That's got jerry rigged written all over it. At least it's 10 AWG. |
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Posted: 10/27/2017 12:27:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2tired2run:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/67501/motor_voltage_vectors-345022.JPG What happens to a motor that is spinning when you turn the power off? Expy....you should know from the TRT thread I don't spout BS 
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Posted: 10/27/2017 11:00:48 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By uncool:
Thats the rub, save 300 bucks on a generator that has no longevity record or bite the bullet for one that has an excellent one. Im intrigued by these little HF wonders but without a track record im Leary.....the whole point of a gennie is its needed in an emergency. I have wells at my primary residence and BOL so not really an option (maybe 2 of the 3500 and a parallel cord) I have a Honda 2000 for routine stuff already, trying to figure out what to do for the wells Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By uncool:
Originally Posted By two4spooky:
I would be interested. The Honda EU2000i is a known quantity. The Yamaha seems less so. I have found little on the Chicom clones other than cost and unboxing videos. More information is always helpful. You can IM me a link if you like. |
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Posted: 10/27/2017 11:07:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By uncool:
I have a nice new house across the street from me, old one burned down after an ice storm......creative generator backfeeding..........install a transfer switch Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By uncool:
Originally Posted By Desert_AIP:
Back feeding is dangerous and you know it. For other reasons than grounding, especially by a novice. I mentioned routing the neutral through the ground, with the caveat the generator would remain ungrounded. Every generator manual I've read describes attaching a ground lead to the grounding screw. If you're hooking into a house panel, that occurs through the grounding lug of the outlet. Neutral and ground aren't bonded on my EU2000. I doubt they are on my Preadtor 7000. But I wasn't going to describe a step by step how to. Look at that pic of the dryer plug. It's got romex hanging off of it instead of SOOW appliance cord. That's got jerry rigged written all over it. At least it's 10 AWG. |
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Posted: 10/27/2017 12:55:35 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CVO:
How did the creative back feeding burn down the home? |
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Posted: 10/27/2017 12:57:05 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CVO:
How did the creative back feeding burn down the home? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CVO:
Originally Posted By uncool:
Originally Posted By Desert_AIP:
Back feeding is dangerous and you know it. For other reasons than grounding, especially by a novice. I mentioned routing the neutral through the ground, with the caveat the generator would remain ungrounded. Every generator manual I've read describes attaching a ground lead to the grounding screw. If you're hooking into a house panel, that occurs through the grounding lug of the outlet. Neutral and ground aren't bonded on my EU2000. I doubt they are on my Preadtor 7000. But I wasn't going to describe a step by step how to. Look at that pic of the dryer plug. It's got romex hanging off of it instead of SOOW appliance cord. That's got jerry rigged written all over it. At least it's 10 AWG. 
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Posted: 10/27/2017 12:57:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Banditman:
I want to know the answer to that as well. That is my non-electrician guess on how someone could fuck it up with very negative results. |
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Posted: 10/27/2017 1:22:36 PM EDT
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My Predator 2000 was ordered on 9/20/17 and arrived 10/26/17 due to backorder.
Filled with oil and premium non ethanol gas with stabilizer. Started on 2nd pull. Working on break in now after checking for 110 and 12 volt output. Updates to follow. Very quiet compared to an open frame generator. |
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Posted: 10/27/2017 1:36:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By phatmax:
I'd bet on it backfed into wiring that was not nearly rated high enough or somehow backfed through a device that melted down.. That is my non-electrician guess on how someone could fuck it up with very negative results. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By phatmax:
Originally Posted By Banditman:
I want to know the answer to that as well. That is my non-electrician guess on how someone could fuck it up with very negative results. That or the mains came back on and the generator caught fire. |
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Posted: 10/27/2017 1:45:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By uncool:
Thats the rub, save 300 bucks on a generator that has no longevity record or bite the bullet for one that has an excellent one. Im intrigued by these little HF wonders but without a track record im Leary.....the whole point of a gennie is its needed in an emergency. I have wells at my primary residence and BOL so not really an option (maybe 2 of the 3500 and a parallel cord) I have a Honda 2000 for routine stuff already, trying to figure out what to do for the wells Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By uncool:
Originally Posted By two4spooky:
I would be interested. The Honda EU2000i is a known quantity. The Yamaha seems less so. I have found little on the Chicom clones other than cost and unboxing videos. More information is always helpful. You can IM me a link if you like. |
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Posted: 10/27/2017 1:45:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined:
That would be my guess as well. Trying to push 50A through a 15A or 30A receptacle. That or the mains came back on and the generator caught fire. The transfer switches and such are there to provide stupid-proofing and ease of use. Not that there is anything wrong with that. I do it for users at work all the time. |
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Posted: 10/27/2017 1:46:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
I'd like to know who will support re parts, all these similar 'off brand' clones??? Could they be considered to be semi-disposable? Plus I think small engines are interesting, tinkering with them is entertaining. As a non-critical item for my use the clone offers that. |
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Posted: 10/27/2017 2:18:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CVO]
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Admiral_Crunch:
I assume that if you have a basic understanding of how home electricity systems work, and no one else in your home is dumb enough to mess with the stuff without your permission, you can do a simple backfeed safely. The transfer switches and such are there to provide stupid-proofing and ease of use. Not that there is anything wrong with that. I do it for users at work all the time. Some of the posts in this thread makes me shake my head, especially the ones I have replied to and received no answer. |
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Posted: 10/27/2017 2:47:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CVO:
Assuming that the breaker you're back feed is sized properly and the gen also has a internal breaker. You're absolutely 100% correct. Some of the posts in this thread makes me shake my [head], especially the ones I have replied to and received no answer. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CVO:
Originally Posted By Admiral_Crunch:
I assume that if you have a basic understanding of how home electricity systems work, and no one else in your home is dumb enough to mess with the stuff without your permission, you can do a simple backfeed safely. The transfer switches and such are there to provide stupid-proofing and ease of use. Not that there is anything wrong with that. I do it for users at work all the time. Some of the posts in this thread makes me shake my [head], especially the ones I have replied to and received no answer. Shoulder or dont your brace Weld .1245678" of an inch of barrel to keep long enough Order a spring and follower for your Benelli M4 to keep it 922rbucksthjebab compliant Suffer through using the POS enviro friendly spout on your weedwacker gas can Dont tune or alter your car that you paid $50k of your own money for Etc Etc Etc There are so many here that pretend to walk a thin line, and in real life probably dont even have the money to do anything else. Like Ron White said, how big of a deal is it to not cheat on your wife if you are fat ugly and socially awkward. Now, make yourself Tiger Woods, and turn down strange. Whole different deal |
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Posted: 10/27/2017 2:56:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: EXPY37]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hkx3:
One constant on this site is heavy, labored hand wringing. Shoulder or dont your brace Weld .1245678" of an inch of barrel to keep long enough Order a spring and follower for your Benelli M4 to keep it 922rbucksthjebab compliant Suffer through using the POS enviro friendly spout on your weedwacker gas can Dont tune or alter your car that you paid $50k of your own money for Etc Etc Etc There are so many here that pretend to walk a thin line, and in real life probably dont even have the money to do anything else. Like Ron White said, how big of a deal is it to not cheat on your wife if you are fat ugly and socially awkward. Now, make yourself Tiger Woods, and turn down strange. Whole different deal 
But you forgot snake oil in gas... 
Observe Gun Hobbyists in general. You will often find folks who put Emotions and Feelz ahead of Logic, Reason and Common Sense ---and could use a good dose of Arimidex... I'm not sure if Fudds or EBR folks are worse... 
It became SOOO apparent after this last election. 
Add to that the "Please don't do this" And "Pulleeease don't do THAT" Folks -who can't MTOB ---trying to save the World 
Then consider the various 'Service Professionals' [med, HVAC, attys, mechanics, engineers, etc., etc.] protecting their perceived TURFFF and insecurity, with more energy than a teenager protecting her fav nail polish HAHAHA! It all becomes rather interesting... 
"Like Ron White said, how big of a deal is it to not cheat on your wife if you are fat ugly and socially awkward. Now, make yourself Tiger Woods, and turn down strange. Whole different deal" Gonna have to ask around on this... |
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Posted: 10/27/2017 4:15:11 PM EDT
[#28]
We really need a separate suicide cable thread.
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Posted: 10/27/2017 4:41:26 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jefflebowski:
We really need a separate suicide cable thread. and looking at photos saw there were some linked to arfcom. |
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Posted: 10/27/2017 4:55:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Banditman:
There has already been a few, I googled a search for "wiring back feed 240 into breaker panel" and looking at photos saw there were some linked to arfcom. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Banditman:
Originally Posted By jefflebowski:
We really need a separate suicide cable thread. and looking at photos saw there were some linked to arfcom. |
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Posted: 10/27/2017 5:22:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined:
There aren't many search terms that don't lead you to a thread on arfcom. out ranked the official web page. |
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Posted: 10/27/2017 6:41:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Gamma762]
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jefflebowski:
We really need a separate suicide cable thread. I will have to say that one of the assertions in that thread was a new one for me... that not only are circuit breakers supposedly unreliable and fail closed, but that an actual physical disconnect also can supposedly fail closed. It was not explained how an interlock or transfer switch protects linemen from parts failure. Left me looking like my avatar. It was in GD, maybe after enough time has passed one could be done in SF under a description of TEOTWAWKI preparedness knowledge, never to be used in civilized society etc. Almost all of what you need to know is basic electrical knowledge, ie, sufficient wire gauge, the difference between hot and neutral, etc. The major hazard is if someone fails to disconnect from the power grid first (for multiple reasons). This is really the only non-obvious "hack" in generator power, which also would apply to the fancy setups: https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_10_17/690289_SAFELY-power-both-legs-with-a-120V-generator-.html I will advise that if you do that bridge wire in the plug and you fail to disconnect from the power mains, when power is restored your bridge will probably explode or catch fire. |
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Posted: 10/27/2017 6:54:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gamma762:
There was one in the wake of the hurricanes, it went to crap quickly with the everpresent accusations of premeditation of murder, etc. I will have to say that one of the assertions in that thread was a new one for me... that not only are circuit breakers supposedly unreliable and fail closed, but that an actual physical disconnect also can supposedly fail closed. It was not explained how an interlock or transfer switch protects linemen from parts failure. Left me looking like my avatar. |
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Posted: 10/27/2017 7:35:13 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CVO:
How did the creative back feeding burn down the home? |
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Posted: 10/27/2017 7:43:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: EXPY37]
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By uncool:
I dont know what he did, he was close to 80, fire marshal declared it was how he wired the gennie in was the cause. State farm payed (I dont think they wanted the bad PR) and I didnt want to ask because he had lost everything (some sad stuff watching an 80 year old couple sitting on the front porch of their burnt down home. Before that Id pull the meter and wire directly to the box....after that I had a transfer switch installed. My other neighbor sold me her generator after that, she wanted nothing to do with it. ( I gave her a fair price....she was going to sell it for 50 at a yard sale, I gave her 200. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By uncool:
Originally Posted By CVO:
How did the creative back feeding burn down the home? One day she got a flat tire. She lost so much confidence in her car she traded it in for a new one. We considered letting the air out of one the tires on the new one but never got around to it.
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Posted: 10/27/2017 7:55:49 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By uncool:
I dont know what he did, he was close to 80, fire marshal declared it was how he wired the gennie in was the cause. State farm payed (I dont think they wanted the bad PR) and I didnt want to ask because he had lost everything (some sad stuff watching an 80 year old couple sitting on the front porch of their burnt down home. Before that Id pull the meter and wire directly to the box....after that I had a transfer switch installed. My other neighbor sold me her generator after that, she wanted nothing to do with it. ( I gave her a fair price....she was going to sell it for 50 at a yard sale, I gave her 200. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By uncool:
Originally Posted By CVO:
How did the creative back feeding burn down the home? But seriously, I can't think of any reasons using the back feed method that would start a fire, if you use proper wire and protection. |
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Posted: 10/27/2017 8:07:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: EXPY37]
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CVO:
Maybe he ran a lamp cord from the gen to the feedback breaker, laid the cord on top of newspapers and it melted and caught the papers on fire. Who knows. But seriously, I can't think of any reasons using the back feed method that would start a fire, if you use proper wire and protection. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CVO:
Originally Posted By uncool:
Originally Posted By CVO:
How did the creative back feeding burn down the home? But seriously, I can't think of any reasons using the back feed method that would start a fire, if you use proper wire and protection. So he laid out some wire and a genny, fooled the Fire Marshal who know as much about electricity as most 5 YO's and electricitans... Fooled the insurance co... Fooled certain Arfcomers [that's no big deal at all] Sat on the only part of his house that hadn't burned -the front porch -he'd especially planned to save, so they could elicit sympathy... When the heat [no pun intended] blew off, moved to FL and he and his wife had the wife swapping time of their lives -on the insurance co's $$$. Pretty smart old-timer ---prolly was a Rocket LOL! |
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Posted: 10/27/2017 8:13:06 PM EDT
[#38]
Folks frequently mention pulling their meter...
Whoz going to volunteer and see what the Power Co has to say abt it as they ream the Puller's ass??? |
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Posted: 10/27/2017 8:18:47 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2tired2run:
Are your well pumps 120 or 240? If 240 your best bet, cost wise, is one of the standard generators. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2tired2run:
Originally Posted By uncool:
Originally Posted By two4spooky:
I would be interested. The Honda EU2000i is a known quantity. The Yamaha seems less so. I have found little on the Chicom clones other than cost and unboxing videos. More information is always helpful. You can IM me a link if you like. |
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Posted: 10/27/2017 8:20:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CVO:
Maybe he ran a lamp cord from the gen to the feedback breaker, laid the cord on top of newspapers and it melted and caught the papers on fire. Who knows. But seriously, I can't think of any reasons using the back feed method that would start a fire, if you use proper wire and protection. Unfortunately, stupidity is second only to hydrogen as the most plentiful element in the universe. |
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Posted: 10/27/2017 8:49:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gamma762:
There was one in the wake of the hurricanes, it went to crap quickly with the everpresent accusations of premeditation of murder, etc. I will have to say that one of the assertions in that thread was a new one for me... that not only are circuit breakers supposedly unreliable and fail closed, but that an actual physical disconnect also can supposedly fail closed. It was not explained how an interlock or transfer switch protects linemen from parts failure. Left me looking like my avatar. It was in GD, maybe after enough time has passed one could be done in SF under a description of TEOTWAWKI preparedness knowledge, never to be used in civilized society etc. Almost all of what you need to know is basic electrical knowledge, ie, sufficient wire gauge, the difference between hot and neutral, etc. The major hazard is if someone fails to disconnect from the power grid first (for multiple reasons). This is really the only non-obvious "hack" in generator power, which also would apply to the fancy setups: https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_10_17/690289_SAFELY-power-both-legs-with-a-120V-generator-.html I will advise that if you do that bridge wire in the plug and you fail to disconnect from the power mains, when power is restored your bridge will probably explode or catch fire. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gamma762:
Originally Posted By jefflebowski:
We really need a separate suicide cable thread. I will have to say that one of the assertions in that thread was a new one for me... that not only are circuit breakers supposedly unreliable and fail closed, but that an actual physical disconnect also can supposedly fail closed. It was not explained how an interlock or transfer switch protects linemen from parts failure. Left me looking like my avatar. It was in GD, maybe after enough time has passed one could be done in SF under a description of TEOTWAWKI preparedness knowledge, never to be used in civilized society etc. Almost all of what you need to know is basic electrical knowledge, ie, sufficient wire gauge, the difference between hot and neutral, etc. The major hazard is if someone fails to disconnect from the power grid first (for multiple reasons). This is really the only non-obvious "hack" in generator power, which also would apply to the fancy setups: https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_10_17/690289_SAFELY-power-both-legs-with-a-120V-generator-.html I will advise that if you do that bridge wire in the plug and you fail to disconnect from the power mains, when power is restored your bridge will probably explode or catch fire. If it fails and it's closed and a generator is running its back feeding the grid. A true safety switch has a set of knives that when closed are either under generator power or line. If it fails it's either going to fail closed to the generator & cannot return to line power or it fails on line power and never goes to generator. |
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Posted: 10/27/2017 9:02:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: EXPY37]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Handydave:
A interlock does not protect from parts failure it's just much better than nothing. If it fails and it's closed and a generator is running its back feeding the grid. A true safety switch has a set of knives that when closed are either under generator power or line. If it fails it's either going to fail closed to the generator & cannot return to line power or it fails on line power and never goes to generator.
Unrelated but I'm sure you'll all enjoy the story...
Back about 1924 or so my Father was helping a traveling Exhibitioner at his high school who was demonstrating the then new-fangled 'High' Frequency Tesla Coil to the Assembly. The tesla coil wasn't one of those whimpy ones with a belt and a dome, it was a horse with a motorized spark gap, 2 transformers, stood 9 feet tall and when running, it energized all the LED lighting on the stage!!! According to my Father, it could throw bolts of lightening nearly 8 feet long to a domed probe held near it. One of the first demonstrations was to put a pretty girl student on telephone insulators to make her hair stand out straight-- very vibrant! It did--- And her skirt flew up revealing her stockings and garters!!!! No word on her knickers... Not all could afford them back then...
By the time the machine was shut down everyone was clapping and had a good look! A few demos into the exhibition, the machine quit working and the exhibitor threw the knife switch that connected it to the 240vac mains to the up [off] position... My Father said when the man was working on the machine, apparently the rivets and the friction holding the knife switch up -had failed and the switch fell to the ON position. A fat bolt of electricity instantly hit the man on the head and knocked him clean out! My Father was able to reset the switch and turn the machine off. He was out for a couple of minutes and then recovered and went on with the show! True story!
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Posted: 10/27/2017 9:23:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
Old guy prolly WANTED to burn the house down to collect the insurance and move to that old folks home in FL noted for promiscuity... So he laid out some wire and a genny, fooled the Fire Marshal who know as much about electricity as most 5 YO's and electricitans... Fooled the insurance co... Fooled certain Arfcomers [that's no big deal at all] Sat on the only part of his house that hadn't burned -the front porch -he'd especially planned to save, so they could elicit sympathy... When the heat [no pun intended] blew off, moved to FL and he and his wife had the wife swapping time of their lives -on the insurance co's $$. Pretty smart old-timer ---prolly was a Rocket LOL! |
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Posted: 10/27/2017 9:32:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undefined:
You summed it up nicely. Those that have the mental capacity to use the proper wire and protection (and to disconnect the mains) aren't going to burn down their house or kill a lineman. Unfortunately, stupidity is second only to hydrogen as the most plentiful element in the universe. |
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Posted: 10/27/2017 10:53:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
Folks frequently mention pulling their meter... Whoz going to volunteer and see what the Power Co has to say abt it as they ream the Puller's ass??? form:http://www.oncor.com/EN/Documents/I%20Need%20To/Important%20Notice%20Regarding%20Work%20on%20Oncor%20Meters.pdf Requiring an electrician to pull a meter is bullshit but it is what it is. A lot of the newer homes I've seen built have disconnects after the meter, wish I had one. |
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Posted: 10/28/2017 10:29:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2tired2run:
Are your well pumps 120 or 240? If 240 your best bet, cost wise, is one of the standard generators. |
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Posted: 10/28/2017 11:05:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kb6emh:
My Predator 2000 was ordered on 9/20/17 and arrived 10/26/17 due to backorder. Filled with oil and premium non ethanol gas with stabilizer. Started on 2nd pull. Working on break in now after checking for 110 and 12 volt output. Updates to follow. Very quiet compared to an open frame generator. |
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Posted: 10/28/2017 11:43:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jefflebowski:
On backorder, but at least it's done. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jefflebowski:
Originally Posted By jefflebowski:
Originally Posted By jefflebowski:
So, 3500w justified or a nice to have? |
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Posted: 10/28/2017 11:49:47 AM EDT
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I ordered the HF one and when it didnt come right away I looked and never saw a confirmation email nor it didnt show on my account on their site......so I ordered the Ebay one since it was cheaper.......then earlier this week the HF one gets delivered........anyone in Southern Ca wanna buy it or I will try and get a refund.....unopened in box still. $444.98
Still havent had a chance to fire up the Ebay one. |
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Posted: 10/28/2017 12:17:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sheldon:
I ordered the HF one and when it didnt come right away I looked and never saw a confirmation email nor it didnt show on my account on their site......so I ordered the Ebay one since it was cheaper.......then earlier this week the HF one gets delivered........anyone in Southern Ca wanna buy it or I will try and get a refund.....unopened in box still. $444.98 Still havent had a chance to fire up the Ebay one.
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