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Posted: 2/24/2020 1:03:29 AM EDT

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Data mining thread.

Glock 17 with surefire

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G22 RTF2 TLR-1S

Posted: 2/24/2020 1:06:01 AM EDT

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Just run around the house racking a shotgun. I mean that's what I've always been told.

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Just watch out for all the shells on the floor. They’re like rolling legos.

Posted: 2/24/2020 1:07:28 AM EDT

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Glock 19 and 12.75" barreled 870 for me. Glock 19 for Mrs. shokz. No NV or body armor. Livin' on the edge, I know!

Posted: 2/24/2020 1:08:29 AM EDT

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My best defense is a strong offense.

Amped up naked hillbilly, possibility with morning wood, wearing camo muck boots, and either P226 or RECCE AR.

Posted: 2/24/2020 1:08:57 AM EDT

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AR15.

For all the reasons why LE and Mil use the AR15/M16 platform and not a freaking mini-14

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Brah, do you even A-Team?

Posted: 2/24/2020 1:28:06 AM EDT

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Traditional stocks are better for CQB vs pistol grips.
Fudd rifles are better in front of a jury.

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Posted: 2/24/2020 1:35:23 AM EDT

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Didn't grey50beast go partially dead shooting and ar pistol outside last year? I would not use inside.

Posted: 2/24/2020 1:38:11 AM EDT

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Choice: Braced CZ scorpion with Red Dot and light plus whatever I happen to have CC that day.

Reality: Same

Posted: 2/24/2020 1:43:55 AM EDT

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Didn't grey50beast go partially dead shooting and ar pistol outside last year? I would not use inside.

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Being partially dead would suck. Kinda like being sorta pregnant.

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9" 300blk pistol

Thinking about setting up a 10.3" 300blk pistol just for home defense.

Posted: 2/24/2020 1:46:28 AM EDT

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Traditional stocks are better for CQB vs pistol grips.
Fudd rifles are better in front of a jury.

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Traditional stocks are better for CQB vs pistol grips.
Fudd rifles are better in front of a jury.

You never go full retard.

Except just then.

and probably other times

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9mm over penetrates vs 223

aaaaand you did it again.

https://www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-1-the-original-box-o-truth/

Posted: 2/24/2020 1:49:57 AM EDT

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No, they're not.
Pistol grip also lets you hold the weapon one-handed more easily (to use the phone, open a door, etc.)

Any shot from a firearm is lethal force.
Lethal force = lethal force.

Legit HD shootings shouldn't end up in front of a jury.

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yeppers

in the house?

pistol is easier to maneuver than a rifle. If you can't hit across the room with a pistol, you probably can't get the rifle from under the bed where you are hiding it.

Posted: 2/24/2020 1:54:05 AM EDT

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Why not both?

My battleplan is to charge out the bedroom with my 300blk AR pistol, light on but at the low ready so as I close distance with the enemy he can see me, butt naked, uplit in all my glory, with my tiny little ding dong flopping around like a baby carrot hanging from a string.

Distract, close distance, engage.

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This website is more entertaining than PornHub, I swear to Christ

Posted: 2/24/2020 1:54:42 AM EDT

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To the OP's credit, at least he should be able to hit his intended target from across the room with a Mini-14.

Any further than that and it's a dice roll.

Posted: 2/24/2020 1:55:37 AM EDT

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Traditional stocks are better for CQB vs pistol grips.
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Posted: 2/24/2020 1:59:06 AM EDT

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If you live in a barn, would you be able to hit the inside walls with the Mini 14 ?

Posted: 2/24/2020 2:01:14 AM EDT

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Choice? Robot Samurai with full armor and swords.

Reality? Me with a pistol and light.

Posted: 2/24/2020 2:03:55 AM EDT

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Claymores, because fuck getting out of bed to clear shit.

Posted: 2/24/2020 2:11:26 AM EDT

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Choice: full-auto P90.

Reality: Guns are icky. Why would I have guns?

Posted: 2/24/2020 2:12:23 AM EDT

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Didn't grey50beast go partially dead shooting and ar pistol outside last year? I would not use inside.

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Yes he did and that has changed my point of view, significantly, on home defense weapon choices. Having someone give first hand info and what can really happen physically to you from a self defense shooting is invaluable. I just use a 19 with a light, +2 mag, HST's and RMR. Will still be loud but not destructive to my hearing, yet should still get the job done nicely.

Posted: 2/24/2020 2:22:14 AM EDT

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Choice: 1897 Winchester Shotgun with a huge ass bayonet screaming and running wildly in the direction of the intruder.

Reality: M1 carbine until I have money for a 9mm SBR with a can.

Posted: 2/24/2020 2:29:03 AM EDT

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"traditional stocks are better for cqb". Said by noone that has actually done cqb.

Posted: 2/24/2020 6:29:32 AM EDT

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Choice: Customized Ruger Mini-14 with shortened wood stock, light and can.
Reality: 10.75" 5.56 AR pistol with red dot, light and can.
What's your pick and why?

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My pick:
Pistol
Rifle
Shotgun
All within easy reach. Pistol of choice first. Easier to conceal and go to the door with. If you know their is a threat, rifle or shotgun. Just my preference.

Posted: 2/24/2020 6:31:02 AM EDT

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Posted: 2/24/2020 6:37:57 AM EDT

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Choice: 11.5” supressed SBR AR-15 with a D60 of 62gr Fed Fusion

Reality: HK-91 with half a dozen mags of 155gr AMAX in the nightstand. Electronic ear muffs left clamped on the stock.

Posted: 2/24/2020 6:48:47 AM EDT

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A tactical spear is the best choice

Posted: 2/24/2020 7:27:14 AM EDT

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870 loaded with Federal LR LE Buckshot, 1911 w/230gr jhp

Posted: 2/24/2020 7:32:33 AM EDT

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Traditional stocks are better for CQB vs pistol grips.
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So you want your hd gun to be a mini14?

Traditional stocks are better for CQB vs pistol grips.
Fudd rifles are better in front of a jury.

Okay, well that's just retarded.

Posted: 2/24/2020 7:35:06 AM EDT

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Choice: MP5SD.

Reality: AR-15.

Posted: 2/24/2020 7:43:19 AM EDT

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Does ARFCOM still have an annual shotgun vs AR for home defense argument?

Posted: 2/24/2020 7:52:38 AM EDT

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id like to read that data. Have a link?

Posted: 2/24/2020 7:55:29 AM EDT

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Does ARFCOM still have an annual shotgun vs AR for home defense argument?

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yes, weekly...

Posted: 2/24/2020 7:57:21 AM EDT

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Posted: 2/24/2020 8:00:27 AM EDT

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Right now it's a Glock 19 w/RM06 and a TLR7.

In a few months itll be this guy wearing a freshly approved Sandman K

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Posted: 2/24/2020 8:08:34 AM EDT

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12 gauge with custom hand loads that consist of #4 shot and dragons breath shot material this way when I shoot intruders not only does it neutralize them it cauterizes the wound making cleanup minimal.

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Then they stay alive to sue you and also your house burns down.

Posted: 2/24/2020 8:12:42 AM EDT

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Posted: 2/24/2020 8:15:10 AM EDT

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Lol

Posted: 2/24/2020 8:16:17 AM EDT

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If a jury is your primary concern for a HD gun, you should be looking at pump shotguns.

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12 gauge. One stop shot.

Posted: 2/24/2020 8:16:54 AM EDT

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Webley MK IV in original .455, a whistle, and 4 Enfields, 3 with bayonets.

Posted: 2/24/2020 8:27:59 AM EDT

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A serious answer? Simple.

Everybody wants to study the ballistics of SBR's, pistols, shotguns, calibers, slugs, buckshot, ordinance, etc.

In YOUR house do you really think moving a stocked rifle with a can to be your best choice? Do you have any 50 yd hallways? What weapon will give you the best chance of multiple hits on multiple targets at close range? Keep it simple. A pistol and a light. Choose something small with decent capacity that you can stick around a corner and still come up with a good hit. Keep it simple.

Like all things in life, you're buying time. No tactical bullshit, you're just buying time.

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What?

Are you suggesting just sticking the pistol around the corner and blindly shooting?

Posted: 2/24/2020 8:32:16 AM EDT

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Right now it's a Glock 19 w/RM06 and a TLR7.

In a few months itll be this guy wearing a freshly approved Sandman K

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/293626/20200118_131404_jpg-1289343.JPG

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I am anxiously awaiting the return of my K from Dead Air. I had to send it in after discovering a pretty severe alignment issue. Fucker was throwing my shots high and left about 4” at something like 10 yards.

In the meantime, I ordered a jig to dimple my FN CHF 8.5” 300 barrel that came with my PSA upper so I can install a Geissele gas block and a DDC MK4 I just snagged on the EE for a good price. I have a Surefire scout mini that will reside on it.

My plan is to have it in a Hornady wall safe in my closet. My 2 year old sleeps with my every night so it’s realistically the only way to store it nearby. It’s built on a PSA Approval-15 lower with an SBA3 brace.

If it ever gets used, the media might have a field day over the rollmark what with its implication of the shameless disregard this individual has demonstrated toward the NFA process for possessing a short barrel rifle by making use of a loophole in the language!

I’ll be excited when it is up and running.

Posted: 2/24/2020 8:34:01 AM EDT

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So you want your hd gun to be a mini14?

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In before someone points out that it patterns better then a 12ga!

Posted: 2/24/2020 8:35:04 AM EDT

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In before someone points out that it patterns better then a 12ga!

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Waaaaayyy to late.

Posted: 2/24/2020 8:35:58 AM EDT

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Traditional stocks are better for CQB vs pistol grips.
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So you want your hd gun to be a mini14?

Traditional stocks are better for CQB vs pistol grips.
Fudd rifles are better in front of a jury.

100% chance the OP has never done CQB.

Posted: 2/24/2020 8:36:22 AM EDT

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I'm confused as to why you don't just make your choice reality?

Oh, and a Shockwave, no shirt, and obscene gestures for me......

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I Doubt It!

Posted: 2/24/2020 8:37:19 AM EDT

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Waaaaayyy to late.

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In before someone points out that it patterns better then a 12ga!

Waaaaayyy to late.

Yeap.... was gonna go back and edit with a "should'a known".

Posted: 2/24/2020 8:38:10 AM EDT

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12 gauge with custom hand loads that consist of #4 shot and dragons breath shot material this way when I shoot intruders not only does it neutralize them it cauterizes the wound making cleanup minimal.

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Cleanup won’t be a problem when your house burns down. Look at the bright side, you’ll be getting new carpet either way ??

Posted: 2/24/2020 8:42:20 AM EDT

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A serious answer? Simple.

Everybody wants to study the ballistics of SBR's, pistols, shotguns, calibers, slugs, buckshot, ordinance, etc.

In YOUR house do you really think moving a stocked rifle with a can to be your best choice? Do you have any 50 yd hallways? What weapon will give you the best chance of multiple hits on multiple targets at close range? Keep it simple. A pistol and a light. Choose something small with decent capacity that you can stick around a corner and still come up with a good hit. Keep it simple.

Like all things in life, you're buying time. No tactical bullshit, you're just buying time.

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I've never been in a shootout but I've seen what happens when you introduce the stress of competition. People who are normally a good shot with a pistol will fail miserably to hit targets at across the room distances with a pistol. They rush shots, forgetting they have sights, fail to see targets completely and fumble reloads like a they're 12 beers in to a good time. Training and experience corrects all that but I imagine the stress of an actual SD situation in your home is far more stressful than a competition.

Training is key but not everyone can or will attend enough training to overcome the degradation of skills that's likely to occur. When it come's to getting hits, even at close range, it's easier with a rifle.