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Posted: 10/6/2019 10:06:29 PM EDT
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Your intentions were good, that's what matters
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Posted: 10/6/2019 10:08:00 PM EDT
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Sounds like the range near me, before new management took over.
Rifle rage called “Cold” (never had a RO). Step back to the back bench to reload and then her a shot. The jackass at the end furthest from the entrance to the range pops off a round while people are walking out to change targets. Packed up my stuff and didn’t go back until a new contract took over (public county range). |
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Posted: 10/6/2019 10:08:27 PM EDT
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I’ve seen the old guys that scream at people at the range before. No one listens to them and everyone is glad when they leave.
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Posted: 10/6/2019 10:08:41 PM EDT
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Ha that one is actually even worse. That's difficult to do but fuck the Ocala range. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Almost sounds like the range in the Ocala National Forest. |
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Posted: 10/6/2019 10:10:52 PM EDT
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I was thinking the Ocala range too. That place used to be awesome in the early 90's. Now, not so much. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Almost sounds like the range in the Ocala National Forest. |
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Posted: 10/6/2019 10:11:55 PM EDT
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Sounds like the range near me, before new management took over. Rifle rage called “Cold” (never had a RO). Step back to the back bench to reload and then her a shot. The jackass at the end furthest from the entrance to the range pops off a round while people are walking out to change targets. Packed up my stuff and didn’t go back until a new contract took over (public county range). |
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Posted: 10/6/2019 10:12:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you can't adjust a cheekpiece or replace a scope cap without somehow loading and firing a round, I don't want to share a firing line with you either. Again... "no touching guns on a cold line" is a rule for people who come to the range on the short bus. |
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Posted: 10/6/2019 10:15:01 PM EDT
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25 people stacked shoulder to shoulder on 9(?) benches with no room to breathe and no one giving to shots about a cold range call out? What's not to love? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Almost sounds like the range in the Ocala National Forest. 25 years ago it wasn't used nearly as much as it in now. I remember only seeing half of it being used at a time. |
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Posted: 10/6/2019 10:15:08 PM EDT
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Would it have been possible to correct the behavior without losing your cool? |
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Posted: 10/6/2019 10:19:59 PM EDT
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'No touching guns on a cold line" doesn't do a damn thing for range safety. It's a baby-proofing rule. Which is why public common-line shooting ranges are just terrible. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: So what is it called when the exact opposite of a "Fudd" (that I can only presume is a Tier 1 actual operator, operating tactically, in a highly operationally tactical environment) who at 10-12 posts a day for the last 10 years pops off and demonstrates zero concern for range safety. I'm kinda suprised you have any time in your busy schedule to actually do any shooting. It absolutely safer to not touch your gun while the line is cold. |
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Posted: 10/6/2019 10:22:05 PM EDT
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Our club doesnt have RSO's watching the ranges. we self police. I happen to be a RSO and if I see you touch your gun while people are downrange, I will pull your membership. It absolutely safer to not touch your gun while the line is cold. Maybe you should convert your range into a bocce court. |
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Posted: 10/6/2019 10:24:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/6/2019 10:25:01 PM EDT
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It's even safer to just not bring guns at all. Maybe you should convert your range into a bocce court. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Our club doesnt have RSO's watching the ranges. we self police. I happen to be a RSO and if I see you touch your gun while people are downrange, I will pull your membership. It absolutely safer to not touch your gun while the line is cold. Maybe you should convert your range into a bocce court. |
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Posted: 10/6/2019 10:26:07 PM EDT
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Public gun ranges sound hideous.
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Posted: 10/6/2019 10:26:45 PM EDT
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gene5 troll account? English a second language?
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Posted: 10/6/2019 10:29:04 PM EDT
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Hard to say if you lashed out too hard without seeing it go down.
A cold range is a cold range though and I don’t have any problem with being a hardass to enforce that. |
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Posted: 10/6/2019 10:30:47 PM EDT
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so, if you are down range, do you think its perfectly acceptable for me to be fiddling with my rifle, maybe even checking out what you are doing in my scope? Scope adjustments, tweaking sandbags/bipeds, re-casing or in-casing guns, or other such “fiddling”? ZFG. |
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Posted: 10/6/2019 10:31:07 PM EDT
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This is why I hate going to public ranges or with other people I can't trust to follow the safety rules. Thankfully a friend lets me shoot at his 400 acre piece of land. At public ranges I've had people facing their loaded guns in my direction numerous times. Some idiots were shooting steel targets set at 15 yards, at an angle, sending a lot of fragments towards other shooters. This was my last visit to that range.
One time I went shooting out to the BLM land in Arizona desert with some coworkers. One guy was shooting his AK. He dumped about 5 magazines and let his wife shoot out another mag. So, she removed the empty mag, loaded a full one into the AK, flipped the safety lever on and...….. PUT THE RIFLE ON THE TAILGATE OF THE TRUCK, WITH THE BARREL POINTING AT THE CAB WHERE THEIR 2 SMALL CHILDREN WERE SITTING! I could not help myself and yelled at her. She got all defensive, pointing out that the gun was perfectly safe since she set the safety on. My coworker (her husband) got pissed because I yelled at her. He also thought that she did nothing wrong. |
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Posted: 10/6/2019 10:31:54 PM EDT
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F range rules. All lawyers and appeasing the lowest common denominator of intelligence. This is why shooting on your own land is the only answer.
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Posted: 10/6/2019 10:32:12 PM EDT
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Public gun ranges sound hideous. There’s one around here I will occasionally use because they have good benches, but I’ll only go if there’s nobody else there at the time. |
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Posted: 10/6/2019 10:35:27 PM EDT
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Public gun ranges sound hideous. |
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Posted: 10/6/2019 10:37:19 PM EDT
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Looking at me through the scope means you're pointing said rifle at me and that's not okay. Handling ammo within reach of the rifle? Not okay. Dry firing or otherwise messing with the trigger? Not okay. Scope adjustments, tweaking sandbags/bipeds, re-casing or in-casing guns, or other such "fiddling"? ZFG. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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so, if you are down range, do you think its perfectly acceptable for me to be fiddling with my rifle, maybe even checking out what you are doing in my scope? Scope adjustments, tweaking sandbags/bipeds, re-casing or in-casing guns, or other such "fiddling"? ZFG. thats why you dont touch the firearms. |
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Posted: 10/6/2019 10:49:51 PM EDT
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Sounds like an over reaction. People who act like jerks in public generally get ignored, laughed at or both.
Try being a leader, it's easier on the heart and mind. |
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Posted: 10/6/2019 10:50:36 PM EDT
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Looking at me through the scope means you’re pointing said rifle at me and that’s not okay. Handling ammo within reach of the rifle? Not okay. Dry firing or otherwise messing with the trigger? Not okay. Scope adjustments, tweaking sandbags/bipeds, re-casing or in-casing guns, or other such “fiddling”? ZFG. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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so, if you are down range, do you think its perfectly acceptable for me to be fiddling with my rifle, maybe even checking out what you are doing in my scope? Scope adjustments, tweaking sandbags/bipeds, re-casing or in-casing guns, or other such “fiddling”? ZFG. |
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Posted: 10/6/2019 10:53:20 PM EDT
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Speaking calmly to people tends to have a more harmonious outcome. Once one is "yelling at" another person it tends to become an emotional event with dramatic results. Who needs drama? |
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Posted: 10/6/2019 10:53:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Common-line ones generally are. There’s one around here I will occasionally use because they have good benches, but I’ll only go if there’s nobody else there at the time. |
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Posted: 10/6/2019 10:54:10 PM EDT
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Sounds like the range near me, before new management took over. Rifle rage called “Cold” (never had a RO). Step back to the back bench to reload and then her a shot. The jackass at the end furthest from the entrance to the range pops off a round while people are walking out to change targets. Packed up my stuff and didn’t go back until a new contract took over (public county range). |
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Posted: 10/6/2019 10:54:13 PM EDT
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The issue neeewd to be addressed. Maybe just take a deep breathe and be less of a jerk next time.
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Posted: 10/6/2019 10:57:03 PM EDT
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Sounds perfectly fine to me. A) Sometimes you have to shock people into reality. B) He'll remember your correction every time he goes to the range. |
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Posted: 10/6/2019 10:59:47 PM EDT
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Looking at me through the scope means you’re pointing said rifle at me and that’s not okay. Handling ammo within reach of the rifle? Not okay. Dry firing or otherwise messing with the trigger? Not okay. Scope adjustments, tweaking sandbags/bipeds, re-casing or in-casing guns, or other such “fiddling”? ZFG. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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so, if you are down range, do you think its perfectly acceptable for me to be fiddling with my rifle, maybe even checking out what you are doing in my scope? Scope adjustments, tweaking sandbags/bipeds, re-casing or in-casing guns, or other such “fiddling”? ZFG. |
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Posted: 10/6/2019 11:09:38 PM EDT
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I know which range you are talking about, and I was at that same range from 0930-1030 with my son. Many people don't respect the red line when the range is cold. I have no issues with what you did, maybe the delivery could've been better. But to be honest the RSO there is a jackass and I'm glad when he's not there. Guy threatened me for firing faster than one shot every two seconds. Not a "hey don't do that" but an actual "I have a gun and will use it if you do that again" threat. I hate that range but it's the only free range around here. Some people are not well adjusted. |
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Posted: 10/6/2019 11:10:28 PM EDT
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After the fact, your reaction may seem excessive. During the moment, and the kid looking like he was about ready to cut loose I can find no fault in what you did. I've been an RO and instructor for some time and completely understand. |
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Posted: 10/6/2019 11:13:42 PM EDT
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A range day rant that turns into an HOA bash, unique. |
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Posted: 10/6/2019 11:17:51 PM EDT
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cross the line mark it zero dude.
there are fucking rules. |
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Posted: 10/6/2019 11:19:45 PM EDT
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Op, I think you did okay. You didnt know the bolt was removed, and honestly it doesn't matter. Simple rules on the firing line keep people alive.
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Posted: 10/6/2019 11:25:02 PM EDT
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Cool story OP..
I saw a guy once start shooting his handgun @ 25 yard range while my friend was down @ 200 yards checking and marking his target. My buddy dropped to the ground while I ran over to the dipshit shooting a pistol yelling at him to stop. Apparently that dude did not realize that range was cold and people were downrange. That guy took off before my buddy made it back from down the range. Good thing too.. |
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Posted: 10/7/2019 1:36:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looking at me through the scope means you’re pointing said rifle at me and that’s not okay. Handling ammo within reach of the rifle? Not okay. Dry firing or otherwise messing with the trigger? Not okay. Scope adjustments, tweaking sandbags/bipeds, re-casing or in-casing guns, or other such “fiddling”? ZFG. Then there's random jackass #569876 whose rifle is loaded in the case, and he's about to take it out with his finger on the trigger. To the guy changing his target 100 yards downrange both of you look the same. The RSO 30 feet away in the bay might be able to detect the difference in time, but if he's a little distracted or there are more people doing the same stuff, again, you both look the same until a loud bang differentiates the jackass. The idea of range safety is that everybody on the line can see a rule violation early and say "STOP" before a deadly mistake happens, not after. It's a lot easier to do this with "nobody handles weapons or approaches the firing line on a cold range" than some nuanced rules that require watching closely on an individual basis. And it doesn't really bother me to sometimes wait a couple minutes before I can adjust my sights. |
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Posted: 10/7/2019 1:59:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm sure you can uncase a rifle 10 million times without ever negligently discharging it. Then there's random jackass #569876 whose rifle is loaded in the case, and he's about to take it out with his finger on the trigger. To the guy changing his target 100 yards downrange both of you look the same. The RSO 30 feet away in the bay might be able to detect the difference in time, but if he's a little distracted or there are more people doing the same stuff, again, you both look the same until a loud bang differentiates the jackass. The idea of range safety is that everybody on the line can see a rule violation early and say "STOP" before a deadly mistake happens, not after. It's a lot easier to do this with "nobody handles weapons or approaches the firing line on a cold range" than some nuanced rules that require watching closely on an individual basis. And it doesn't really bother me to sometimes wait a couple minutes before I can adjust my sights. |
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Posted: 10/7/2019 2:03:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Old guys are the fucking worst. Other old fudds will walk right in back of me and start picking up my brass or trying to handle my rifles. It’s why I always wear a pistol now and usually service my targets with my rifle on my back Seriously if your too senile to have basic situational awareness or basic safety don’t show up. |
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Posted: 10/7/2019 2:15:13 AM EDT
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Teach them when they’re young!
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Posted: 10/7/2019 2:20:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I told him to fuck off with a big smile on my face. Dude can skin his smoke wagon if he wants, I learned long ago the people that make threats don't follow through. My glock is ready if he did decide to however. |
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Posted: 10/7/2019 2:27:09 AM EDT
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RSO or not.
No gun range will allow anyone to be anywhere near a firearm or bench during a cease fire it doesn't matter if the firearm is broken down, broken or disassembled and rendered inoperable. People down range see someone behind a rifle in a rest they assume it is functional and they are on the receiving end. Any other RSO is going to yell over a PA speaker or directly at the person. I've seen and heard it so many times, a bunch of people including myself were down range and a dumbfuck got behind his rifle and fired one round off. That was the last time I went to firing range. Dumbasses are everywhere most of them congregate at ranges because stupid needs instructions on how to behave. I've seen shooters who shoot one round and take off down range while everyone else is busy shooting, they wanted to check their target for that one shot. That guy down to about 35 yards on a sprint before everyone stopped firing, holy shit talk about someone being asked to leave after he did it the 2nd time. I wouldn't be so hard on yourself. Safety is first nothing else matters. Poor kids feelings do not matter, what if the firearm hadn't been rendered inoperable, what then? |
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Posted: 10/7/2019 2:28:35 AM EDT
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A range day rant that turns into an HOA bash, unique. |
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Posted: 10/7/2019 2:31:31 AM EDT
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Good yell. Learning to shoot at Ben Avery in 4H growing up, they would have chewed our asses out and probably sent us home for something like that.
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Posted: 10/7/2019 2:33:48 AM EDT
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"Fuckin' Delta."  BLACK HAWK DOWN "Fuck,in Delta" |
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Posted: 10/7/2019 2:48:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was there when the boy scouts were on one 50 yard range...I was out in the bay of the next 50 yard range - with a Ruger Mark II - and the RSO came running over saying that I was shooting way to fast and I could not shoot in front of the benches... He was ready to throw me out. A lady Game Warden allowed me to stay.... Most of the time it is a great place to shoot w/ some great people. Red He is a grade A douchbag. |
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Posted: 10/7/2019 5:30:49 AM EDT
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If you can’t adjust a cheekpiece or replace a scope cap without somehow loading and firing a round, I don’t want to share a firing line with you either. Again... “no touching guns on a cold line” is a rule for people who come to the range on the short bus. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Well I don't know about you but I've never seen an unattended firearm go off by itself. Oh wait, there was that one time when Plaxico Burress, up on the roof of that building.............If a firearm is not being touched in any way I don't see it being a threat. OP's response was ok by me. I too am an RSO, and would have acted in a similar fashion. Nitpicking and second guessing over the exact words used, or tone of voice is of no relevance, getting the massage across is all that matters. Its too fucking late to be feeling sorry about whether or not I, or OP may have hurt someone's feelings, if you're now all standing around waiting for the EMTs because someone is laying on the ground with a bullet in them. Not sure I want to share a firing line with you DeltaElite. And the easy part for you is, since you don't like common public ranges, is to go elsewhere. Problem solved. Again... “no touching guns on a cold line” is a rule for people who come to the range on the short bus. |
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Posted: 10/7/2019 5:54:35 AM EDT
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I'm glad I have my own personal range.
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Posted: 10/7/2019 5:59:56 AM EDT
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A few years back - had a young girl flag the that Shit out of me - when I called her it her POS father - did not think she did anything wrong.... Red |
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Posted: 10/7/2019 6:06:44 AM EDT
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I found your problem. I do not visit those any more due to safety issues like this. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ok - the set up... Public range w/ no RSO How that place gets packed is beyond me. " let's drive an hour from orlando to shoot....because it's free " |
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