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Link Posted: 9/15/2021 11:25:29 PM EDT
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I think what OP is saying is the vaccine is being used to create fear and a divide in the country. He's saying that if you got the vaccine and are scared of those who havnt and think they should be forced to take it because they are causing the pandemic. Then the divide is working. I could be wrong with what he's trying to say tho
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Link Posted: 9/16/2021 1:21:59 AM EDT
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I appreciate that someone actually understands.
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Appreciation of understanding is a key tenet of their plan. You've fallen for it, hook, line and sinker.
Link Posted: 9/16/2021 2:00:14 AM EDT
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I've been jabbed, no one has ever asked me if I was,  and I don't care one bit what if you have been or not.
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This is how it should be. Sadly, mental retardation rules the mind of the bootlicker, so now we have vax cards and mandates.
Link Posted: 9/18/2021 11:13:21 AM EDT
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I'm guessing OP was going for some profound underlying message somewhere, somehow.  I'm vaxxed and don't care what you do.  




This is false.  Take the flu vaccine for example.  You can still get the flu but the vaccine is intended to reduce symptoms and protect against death.   The same is true for the COVID vaccine.  And I don't care if you're vaxxed or not.
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Funny, no one calls the flu shot a vaccine. Show me a sign anywhere saying "flu vaccine avaiable"

I'll wait.
Link Posted: 9/18/2021 11:19:49 AM EDT
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unvaccinated aint a problem until they get sick, require hospitalization fill up the hospital resources and then a relative of mine, under 12 gets covid (or anything requiring hospitalization) and cant get access to the hospital because its clogged with non-vaxed patients.

so... for the anti-vaxxers, do your duty. you get sick and your heading toward room temperature, stay committed to your principals and stay home gobbling horse-paste and vitamin d.
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Except that's not what's happening. 80% of hospitalized in my AO are fully vaccinated with major commodities.

Keep up the fear porn.

Guess the only thing interesting to ever happen in your life is Covid and you can't give that up
Link Posted: 9/18/2021 11:51:19 AM EDT
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Out of curiosity, how many of them have been tested after receiving the vaccine?  Have any of them been tested within the past 2 months?
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None.  No symptoms = no reason to get tested, or so say my wife's PCP and our provider's FAQ.

I think I can surmise the motivation for your question, and think vaccinated people should be systematically tested in order to get data.  Testing resources are not unlimited.
Link Posted: 9/18/2021 12:06:41 PM EDT
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None.  No symptoms = no reason to get tested, or so say my wife's PCP and our provider's FAQ.

I think I can surmise the motivation for your question, and think vaccinated people should be systematically tested in order to get data.  Testing resources are not unlimited.
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Out of curiosity, how many of them have been tested after receiving the vaccine?  Have any of them been tested within the past 2 months?

None.  No symptoms = no reason to get tested, or so say my wife's PCP and our provider's FAQ.

I think I can surmise the motivation for your question, and think vaccinated people should be systematically tested in order to get data.  Testing resources are not unlimited.


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Among several dozen people in my family and circle of friends who I know have been vaccinated, none has contracted COVID-19.  Zero.  


How can you claim the above, without them getting tested?   Those with the covid vaccine are still able to contract and spread the virus.  You are spreading false data based on an assumption.
Link Posted: 9/18/2021 12:28:12 PM EDT
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Again, your claim:

How can you claim the above, without them getting tested?   Those with the covid vaccine are still able to contract and spread the virus.  You are spreading false data based on an assumption.
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Out of curiosity, how many of them have been tested after receiving the vaccine?  Have any of them been tested within the past 2 months?

None.  No symptoms = no reason to get tested, or so say my wife's PCP and our provider's FAQ.

I think I can surmise the motivation for your question, and think vaccinated people should be systematically tested in order to get data.  Testing resources are not unlimited.

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Among several dozen people in my family and circle of friends who I know have been vaccinated, none has contracted COVID-19.  Zero.  

How can you claim the above, without them getting tested?   Those with the covid vaccine are still able to contract and spread the virus.  You are spreading false data based on an assumption.

COVID-19 is a disease.  If a person has no symptoms, i.e. is not sick, that person does not have the disease called COVID-19.

The possibility that the person is carrying and even spreading the SARS-CoV-2 virus is another question.  Whether and how much of a problem that really is can only be determined by controlled research, not by random people walking in and asking to be tested.

Saying "Those with the covid vaccine are still able to contract and spread the virus" is kind of like the warnings they give teenagers in sex education classes:  "Even if you use a condom during sex there is still a chance that a pregnancy can result or an STD can be transmitted."

 Sure, it's possible, but that doesn't make it an all-or-nothing issue, and it doesn't mean that condoms are of no value in preventing pregnancy or STDs.  The failure rate of condoms can be specified as a percentage.  The same should be done for the rate at which vaccinated people supposedly carry and spread the virus.
Link Posted: 9/18/2021 12:30:28 PM EDT
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Funny, no one calls the flu shot a vaccine. Show me a sign anywhere saying "flu vaccine avaiable"

I'll wait.
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I'm guessing OP was going for some profound underlying message somewhere, somehow.  I'm vaxxed and don't care what you do.  

This is false.  Take the flu vaccine for example.  You can still get the flu but the vaccine is intended to reduce symptoms and protect against death.   The same is true for the COVID vaccine.  And I don't care if you're vaxxed or not.
Funny, no one calls the flu shot a vaccine. Show me a sign anywhere saying "flu vaccine avaiable"

I'll wait.

I went to the Web site for the pharmacy that I use.  Here's a screen capture from their "Flu Vaccination" page:



The word "vaccine" is also printed on the label of every vial of flu vaccine that has ever been made.  You can do an image search for those.


Link Posted: 9/18/2021 1:40:57 PM EDT
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Funny, no one calls the flu shot a vaccine. Show me a sign anywhere saying "flu vaccine avaiable"

I'll wait.
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Bro, stop digging.



https://www.emedicinehealth.com/flu_vaccine/article_em.htm
Link Posted: 9/18/2021 3:04:49 PM EDT
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My body, my choice. Period. Full stop.

Link Posted: 9/19/2021 12:48:36 AM EDT
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If you choose not to get vaccinated, your insurance should not cover the costs if you get hospitalized. Don't ask others to pay for your poor decisions.
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Link Posted: 9/19/2021 1:09:52 AM EDT
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If you choose not to get vaccinated, your insurance should not cover the costs if you get hospitalized. Don't ask others to pay for your poor decisions.
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How about smoking? Obesity? Like to have a beer or two? You like to drive fast? You own guns?

That’s a very slippery slope.
Link Posted: 9/19/2021 1:18:05 AM EDT
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How about smoking? Obesity? Like to have a beer or two? You like to drive fast? You own guns?

That’s a very slippery slope.
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If you choose not to get vaccinated, your insurance should not cover the costs if you get hospitalized. Don't ask others to pay for your poor decisions.

How about smoking? Obesity? Like to have a beer or two? You like to drive fast? You own guns?

That’s a very slippery slope.


What about when taking an unapproved vaccine causing dementia or cancer? Or how about the illnesses from drinking and tobacco?

Being an unvaccinated person is feeling more and more like being Jewish during the Nazi era.


Link Posted: 9/19/2021 1:18:29 AM EDT
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The flu vaccine is a vaccine now but let's look at others like the shingles vaccine?  It's 85% effective.  The poli vaccine is only 99-100% effective after 3 shots.  Part of the efficacy is a high compliance rate.  The MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) is only 93% effective.  So if your only reason not to get the vaccine is because you can still contract COVID then the same is true for some others.

The point he missed is other than vocal libs no one else cares about your vax status--I certainly don't.  However, the person I corrected was misinformed regarding a vaccine should be 100% effective.
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“This is false” is false. I’ve never once heard a flu shot called a vaccine. (It’s called a flu shot.) And I’ve had a casual conversation with doctors over the years that were happy to explain it wasn’t a vaccine rather meant to target and reduce symptoms of the most common or deadly influenza strain that season. So Its clearly not a vaccine as you’ve observed, yet you’re ok with calling it one this time around. Nor are doctors as forthcoming with the facts beyond it’s your civic duty and statistically it will help you.

If you don’t fit the OPs conditional description then yay for you skippy. Lots of people do, you hear it every day the ire for the”non covid flu shotted.”

The main and seemingly reasonable point is being missed here by the covigilantes, as usual.

The flu vaccine is a vaccine now but let's look at others like the shingles vaccine?  It's 85% effective.  The poli vaccine is only 99-100% effective after 3 shots.  Part of the efficacy is a high compliance rate.  The MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) is only 93% effective.  So if your only reason not to get the vaccine is because you can still contract COVID then the same is true for some others.

The point he missed is other than vocal libs no one else cares about your vax status--I certainly don't.  However, the person I corrected was misinformed regarding a vaccine should be 100% effective.

The point is those effectiveness rates work because those vaccines are sterilizing and provide herd immunity. That is not happening with the COVID-19 vaccines as they are non-sterilizing and leaky.

The flu vaccine is also an oddball as the experts try to predict which strains will be most prevalent in the coming year, as only a handful are included in the vaccine. If they miss, flu cases are usually higher than years they don’t.
Link Posted: 9/19/2021 9:04:42 PM EDT
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I’ve been jabbed and refuse to show my vaccine card. I don’t even know where it is.
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I have it
Will not show it unless I travel overseas

I am vaccinated but support your right to choose for yourself

Fuck mandates
Link Posted: 9/19/2021 9:11:03 PM EDT
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Except that's not what's happening. 80% of hospitalized in my AO are fully vaccinated with major commodities.

Keep up the fear porn.

Guess the only thing interesting to ever happen in your life is Covid and you can't give that up
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Must be a small AO.

https://www.nhpr.org/coronavirusblog

“At a meeting of the legislative fiscal committee, Rep. Ken Weyler of Kingston said he has heard from emergency room workers that 90% of those admitted to hospitals with COVID-19 have been vaccinated.

Health and Human Services Commissioner Lori Shibinette said the opposite is true, that 90% of those hospitalized with COVID-19 are unvaccinated.”

Or is this where you get your misinformation?
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