The main problem with theories like this, besides the fact they can't be proven, is that they ignore every shred of evidence that exists.

The Great Pyramid isn't a "one off" thing used to signal ET. It's the culmination of a millennia of learning and building techniques. First, they started with mastabas. Then some ancient egomaniac/genius decided he wanted his tomb to be bigger, and stacked mastabas on top of one another. That culminates in the step pyramid design, such as the Step Pyramid at Saqqara. It's not as geometrically pleasing and pretty as it could be, so the next egomaniac/genius decides they should cut smooth casing stones out of gleaming limestone to really dazzle the eye and stun the commoner. Living Gods, after all. But...shit. We fucked up the angle on the first one and had to change it halfway up. But don't worry, we fixed it on the next one. And the Bent Pyramid looks pretty cool anyway, standing next to the Red Pyramid out at Dashur.

We got it now. We have it dialed in. Time for the most monumental building project ever undertaken by humankind...the Great Pyramid. We did it! Fuck, that was hard. What's that? You want one too? Ummm...sure. Let's, ah, make it smaller though. And the next one too. Not to mention the dozens, perhaps hundreds of others they built, disassembled, rebuilt, never finished, etc.

There's a very clear line of evolution from one to the other, before they gave up on the idea because it was, well...impressive, but stupid in terms of security, resource consumption, time required, etc.  The Great Pyramid was robbed in long-past antiquity. So were the others. The tombs in the Valley of the Kings weren't MUCH better, but, hey, at least Tutankhamun's survived the ages, mostly due to it being hastily re-purposed for him, then almost immediately buried over buy the rubble of a neighboring tomb, that WAS robbed.

Are there interesting things about the Great Pyramid? Hell yes. One of the weirdest things about it is the total lack of hieroglyphs and wall inscriptions. But, I'm not sure if ANY of the pyramids have those in them, unlike later tombs that had every available surface covered. I certainly don't remember any inside the Red Pyramid. Just an overwhelming odor of cat piss (centuries of visitors sweating in it with no ventilation left it with a ridiculous ammonia smell). I'm also really curious as to where the small shafts lead. We need another robotic exploration. The new proposed muon scattering survey could also definitively reveal any "hidden voids" in it. That would be ten kinds of awesome. I want a definitive answer about the Sphinx, if anything's under it, the Well of Osiris, etc.

But it's not likely to have been an intergalactic beacon. Occam's Razor, extraordinary claims, yadda yadda yadda. If it had been purpose built as an ET beacon, presumably ET would have shown us how to build it all at once, not made us go through a thousand years of baby steps.

Never underestimate human ingenuity, especially when you have smart people with access to large populations and unlimited power/resources for long periods of the year. It's not aliens. It's ego.

Thats the best argument to debunk just about any ET theory on the Pyramids I've ever read.

Now I have to wonder what is more impressive, the engineering of the pyramids, or the creativity put into alternative uses and functions for them.

Double Tap

Fishing Reddit, I came across a video of three guys live streaming in 2012, One went offline, and for a split second, the webcam reconnected.

I assume it’s a hoax, but man,  creepy as fuck,

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Video, https://www.reddit.com/r/Humanoidencounters/comments/vacrhg/i_found_this_video_but_cant_find_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Hehehe. Let's call that one a tie.

I will say this...most things people talk up don't impress me. "Oh, you have to go see such and such! It's amazeballs!" I go, and am usually disappointed.

Not the pyramids though. Those are the real deal. They are awe-inspiring feats of pure engineering willpower and man-hours. Incredible. I'm hoping to go back some day.

@brass
Ship mirage?

Joseph Ferrell has a great interview/podcast on the subject

That  is probably the probably the full scale mock-up built by Northrop so they could test it on a radar cross section pole
There was a TV show on Nat Geo (I think) several years ago.  It followed the same external construction which was largely plywood.

Grey Alien Filmed By KGB

If you look close at the cruise ship and the sailing ship photos, you can see the water line right at the bottom of their hulls, or just past. The water farther away just fades to grey, matching the sky. Cool photos, but nothing unusual.

The container ship looks like a photoshop job to me, but, well...I'm an obvious skeptic and usually go with the simplest explanation.

That might make sense. But what ships are they?

Thread went sideways with weird videos and photos of mirages and ships. Back on track.

Excellent points you've made. I'm also of the belief that the artifacts of ancient Egypt are the labors of countless people driven to a goal that was very human in origin, but lost to us through time. Distilled down to it's essence, Ego, coupled with tradition are powerful motivators

I've enjoyed your insights and skepticism, particularly since it is respectful and coupled with real world experience.

Hope to see you continue to share, debate and discuss.

Thanks! I do try to be respectful, but I also try (and usually fail) to be funny. You'll see a lot of in my posts to mark out those points.

I'm not a skeptic about certain things. For example, I believe 1000% that we're not alone in the universe. The problem is, I also think that it's the height of human hubris to think we're important enough to be visited by aliens. Especially considering the ridiculous difficulties encountered when trying to cross interstellar distances.

I will say this too...the Fermi Paradox REALLY bugs the shit out of me. There are so many potential answers, each more horrifying and/or depressing than the last. It's one of the things that makes me lean into the thought that we really are a simulation, and that the aliens and answers to the GUT simply haven't been programmed in yet. "Aliens," "spirits," "angels," "demons," "extra-dimensional travelers," etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum can easily be explained as the programmers one level up (because they're likely in a simulation to...it's turtles all the way down) checking in on us.

Another depressing thought.

Anyway, here's to many years of fun and interesting discussions!  

And there never will be, because Hancock's theory is conveniently drown under 400 feet of water for 10,000+ years.

You're missing the point of the simulation concept. They're not malevolent. Or benevolent. We're an experiment. A simulation, that they (whoever they are and however they present themselves) check on from time to time to see how it's progressing. They don't need to "take over the world," they designed it, however flawed it might be.

The world's religions are just a mechanism to try and make sense of it. Reincarnation? Heaven? Maybe you've just proven you've advanced enough to go on to the NEXT simulation...

Yes. And likely tied to pole reversal.

There was Baptist pastor, Peter Ruckman, that was saying that as far back as the late 50’s to early 60’s. I won’t post walls of text, mostly because I don’t have time, but I’ll post a few videos of one of his former students at his Bible college. Ruckman passed on several years back and it’s hard to track down recordings on this subject but he does have two books.

Should a been more detailed in my reply.  I mean the ships in the slideshow. They look like nothing I've seen.

It does kinda look like a target balloon now

I want to believe tho......

He doesn't really posit "Industrial Age" civilization existing that long ago.

Just a civilization that was more advanced than those around them. I.e. they'd figured out things like basic farming, copper/bronze work maybe, the ability to cross water and navigate, that sort of thing.

It's not a crazy theory. It's entirely possible. When you live next to the ocean, and can scrape dinner off a rock or from a tide pool any time you need it, and have a source of fresh water (river flowing into the sea), you can suddenly have a lot more free time. Time to be creative, experiment with growing plants, pounding on shiny rocks you found that seem to bend instead of break, figure out how to make a basic boat, etc.

Meanwhile, everyone else is still scraping by as hunter-gatherers, working harder than you for calories.

Then the oceans rise 400 feet in a thousand years or so, everything you've built in the past few centuries is wiped off the map, and you don't have the time or resources to rebuild everything in so short a period. Your culture disperses, brings their knowledge along, and influences the classic cultures we know about. Many of whom have legends and myths about "bringers of civilization." Prometheus, Virracocha, and many, many more.

Like I said, it's an extraordinary claim, but not an outlandish or wacky one. It's not a missing industrial civilization, aliens, extradimensional gods, or anything else. Just people who had extra time, for a long time.

And any evidence is, as I mentioned, drowned under hundreds of feet of water for a dozen millennia. Convenient way to sell books.

Human brains grew a lot during the period we scrapped stuff from rocks at the shores and tidal pools.

That's still hunter-gatherer.

The real societal revolution was agriculture and animal husbandry.

And yet, IIRC, saying "human brains grew a lot between hunter-gatherer and agricultural societies" is nothing more than disproven phrenology. The change was cultural, not physical. Homo Sapiens Sapiens has been around for 250,000 years, with roughly the same cranial capacity.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Show me the studies.

I've never seen anything disproving that human brains grew exponentially when early humans left the grasslands (already standing/walking upright) and congregated on coastlines, scrounging tidal pools and estuaries for shellfish, et al.

If you subscribe to evolution, modern Man came from these proto-humans; Homo Habilis, Homo Erectus, etc, etc.

As for Homo Sapien Sapiens being 250K old, assuming that's all the older we are, that's a helluva a lot of time to exist w/o civilization developing until, say, 6,500 YBP (as Egyptologists would have you believe, for example). I have no problem with the assertion that "advanced" societies/civilizations existed prior to 12,500 YBP.

I also have no problem with theories that the greatest monuments of Egypt were constructed far earlier than the official line states, too. Water erosion on the Great Sphinx and its enclosure is obvious. And, as is seen in S. America, the older civilizations are the more advanced in their building techniques.

So one thing about the Fermi Paradox is that it is based critically upon the Drake Equation.  And while there isn't really much problem with the Drake Equation in of itself, the fact is that the variables in it are almost entirely unknown or that there are additional key variables that we do not know about.  Drake put some numbers in for his variables which leads to the theory that there are between 1,000 and 100,000,000 civilizations in out galaxy.  The things is, all of those assumptions are based off of what is basically a guess.  All it takes is for one of those variables to be much closer to zero or for there to be an unknown variable that kills of civilizations (for example, what is the chance of a planet experiencing a life sterilizing event prior to becoming an interplanetary civilization able to survive such an event?  Thats not even addressed in the Drake Equation) and the Fermi Paradox ceases to exist because in fact it would mean that we are functionally alone (or close to it) in our galaxy.

Bottom line, the Fermi Paradox only exists if we assume that life as we understand it (very poorly) is common and springs up easily, based upon a sample size of 1 and a LOT of guesswork.

Definitely correct. The Drake Equation can be used pessimistically to get a result of 1 (us), optimistically to come up with virtually unlimited numbers, or anything in between. But, using conservative numbers, you end up with a still-significant number, even if it's 100, 1000, or whatever.

Also, the most depressing answer to the Fermi paradox would be that we're completely alone in a mind-bogglingly massive universe.