Originally Posted By Ming_The_Merciless:


The Irish - the same folks who sent condolences to Germany on the death of Adolph Hitler.

Originally Posted By The_Master_Shake:
Not going to post it because I won't give them the clicks but MSNBC already running;

"Israel shutting off electricity, water in Gaza will create a humanitarian disaster"

Originally Posted By DCV_117:
That noise of a prop plane on the quad stream, you think that’s a MQ1 circling the area?

Originally Posted By 4thbreak:

"Important report" coming soon from North Korean news agency. No further details were given. https://t.co/FjpY15z6mB

doge  (@IntelDoge) October 10, 2023

Originally Posted By macro:

I know it wont happen, and I know its just my emotions talking, but i wish Netanyahu would just issue a statement that says for every one hostage that is executed, at least 1000 Palestinians will be vaporized and burned to ashes. Then follow through on it.

At this point, scorched earth policy is justified.  To me at least. How much longer is the west going to prioritize diplomacy when dealing with barbaric animals?

Originally Posted By KELBEAST:


Dresden was in an age when cities were built out of wood. Tokyo was fire bombed and 80,000 died for the same reason. Gaza looks to be all concrete block houses and towers. It simply isn’t built out of fuel like the old cities of the 1940’s

Originally Posted By The_Master_Shake:
Not going to post it because I won't give them the clicks but MSNBC already running;

"Israel shutting off electricity, water in Gaza will create a humanitarian disaster"

Originally Posted By cmxterra:
Anyone else hearing Fo Rooster?

Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat:
I know I'm retarded but I'm going to post my retardation in case someone else is retarded.

- wonder why Israeli needs weird size small bombs
- *watching stream* oh that's why, they're always bombing urban areas and are trying to limit collateral damage.
- okay well the US does that too so why don't we have a bunch of extras around
- hey retard we have CIA knife bomb and roughly a bazillion types of ordnance and huge amounts of SF because we're the only super power so we don't need a fuckton of small bombs because we can accomplish the same thing with whatever the perfect tool is for the mission

Hamas received weapons and training from Iran, officials say
Militant group that slaughtered hundreds of Israelis received crucial help from Tehran
By Joby Warrick
,
Ellen Nakashima
,
Shane Harris
and
Souad Mekhennet
October 9, 2023 at 8:26 p.m. EDT
Iranians carry pictures of slain Revolutionary Guard commander Qasem Soleimani as they attend a gathering in Tehran on Saturday to express their solidarity with Palestinians after Hamas militants launched a deadly assault into Israel from the Gaza Strip. (AFP/Getty Images)
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The Palestinian militants behind the surprise weekend attack on Israel began planning the assault at least a year ago, with key support from Iranian allies who provided military training and logistical help as well as tens of millions of dollars for weapons, current and former Western and Middle Eastern intelligence officials said Monday.

While Iran’s precise role in Saturday’s violence remained unclear, the officials said, the assault reflected Tehran’s years-long ambition to surround Israel with legions of paramilitary fighters armed with increasingly sophisticated weapons systems capable of striking deep inside the Jewish state.

Hamas, the Gaza-based Palestinian militant organization that led the attack, has historically maintained a degree of independence from Tehran compared with true Iranian proxy groups such as the Lebanese-based Hezbollah. But in recent years, Hamas has benefited from massive infusions of Iranian cash as well as technical help for manufacturing rockets and drones with advanced guidance systems, in addition to training in military tactics — some of which occurred in camps outside Gaza, the officials said.

U.S. and Israeli officials said they have no firm evidence so far that Iran authorized or directly coordinated the attack that killed more than 900 Israelis and wounded thousands. But current and former intelligence officials said the assault bore hallmarks of Iranian support, and noted officials in Tehran have boasted publicly about the huge sums in military aid provided to Hamas in recent years.

“If you train people on how to use weapons, you expect them to eventually use them,” said a Western intelligence official who, like others interviewed, requested that his name and nationality be withheld to freely discuss the rapidly unfolding events in southern Israel. The official, and a second Western analyst with access to sensitive intelligence, said the analysis conducted in the wake of the attack pointed to many months of preparation by Hamas, beginning at least as early as mid-2022.

In interviews, more than a dozen intelligence analysts and military experts expressed astonishment at the stealth and sophistication of the Hamas assault, which involved coordinated raids across the Israeli border by hundreds of gunmen traveling by land, sea and air — including motorized paragliders. The ground offensive was accompanied by swarms of rockets and drones that began streaking across the border early Saturday, hitting targets with a degree of precision not seen in previous Hamas attacks. While the Palestinian group has a capable militia and indigenous assembly lines for rockets and drones, an attack of Saturday’s scale would have been extremely challenging without considerable outside help, analysts said.
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“The amount of training, logistics, communication, personnel, and weapons required provides a massive footprint,” said Marc Polymeropoulos, a former CIA senior operations officer who served in counterterrorism roles in the Middle East. “This suggests both Iranian involvement, given the complexity of the attack, and highlights the colossal intelligence failure.” The use of paragliders — reminiscent of a spectacular 1987 attack by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine in Israel that killed several soldiers — “surely required training outside of Gaza,” Polymeropoulos said.

The view was echoed on Monday by Jonathan Finer, the White House’s deputy national security adviser. “What I can say without a doubt is that Iran is broadly complicit in these attacks,” Finer said in an interview with CBS News. “Iran has been Hamas’s primary backer for decades. They have provided them weapons. They have provided them training. They have provided them financial support. And so, in terms of broad complicity, we are very clear about a role for Iran.”

Iran denied a direct role in Saturday’s attack, while also praising the Hamas militants who carried it out. “We are not involved in Palestine’s response, as it is taken solely by Palestine itself,” Tehran’s mission to the United Nations said in a statement released Monday. But other Iranian officials publicly celebrated the attack while highlighting their close relationship with Hamas.

“You really made the Islamic Ummah happy with this innovative and victorious operation,” Iran’s official news agency, IRNA, quoted President Ebrahim Raisi as saying, using the Arabic word for the wider Muslim community.

The leader of Hamas, Ismail Haniyeh, acknowledged in an interview last year that his group received $70 million in military assistance from Iran. According to a State Department report from 2020, Iran provides about $100 million annually to Palestinian terrorist groups, including Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command.

Current and former intelligence officials confirmed that Iran had provided technical help to Hamas in manufacturing the more than 4,000 rockets and armed drones launched into Israel since Saturday. At least some Hamas militants also have undergone training in advanced military tactics, including at Lebanese camps staffed by technical advisers from Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and Hezbollah, the officials said.

The Hamas militants who received training were likely elite officers who passed along skills to other fighters inside Gaza itself, said Michael Knights, an expert on Iranian-backed militia groups and founder of the Militia Spotlight blog.

“It’s a ‘train the trainer’ approach,” Knights said. “You don’t have to do a lot to train someone to be capable of operating a drone system, which is not complicated stuff anymore.” On the other hand, he said, the combined-arms breaching capability exhibited during Saturday’s assault “clearly was practiced and carefully planned somewhere. A whole bunch of fortified positions fell to sophisticated combined arms-breaching attacks. And you don’t just wing that.”

For years, Iran’s principal militia ally in Gaza was a different group: Palestinian Islamic Jihad. But gradually Tehran began bolstering its ties with Hamas leaders and increasing its support, said Ray Takeyh, senior fellow for Middle East Studies at the Council on Foreign Relations.

“That relationship has deepened in the past few years,” Takeyh said. “It’s financial, political, at some level operational.”

Michael Eisenstadt, director of the Washington Institute’s Military and Security Studies Program, said that the relationship with Iran developed as a result of the Oslo peace process in the early 1990s when Tehran was looking for ways to scuttle efforts to forge a peace deal between the Palestinians and Israel. That was when Iran first provided the know-how for the explosive belts used by Palestinian suicide bombers.

The suicide bombing campaigns by both Hamas and Islamic Jihad had a “significant impact” on the peace process, he said. Hamas launched its first homemade rocket, the Qassam, in 2001 during the second intifada. But it was very rudimentary, using pipes and a homemade fuel mixture derived from sugar and other common components.

“Iran over the years has provided a lot of assistance to Hamas in terms of rocket capability,” Eisenstadt said. “The signature weapon of Iran proxies are rockets, and increasingly missiles. You see that everywhere — with Iraq, Hamas, the Houthis, Hezbollah. That’s very much inspired by Iranian example and advice.”

But other analysts stressed Hamas’s record as an independent actor, capable of carrying out sophisticated terrorism operations without outside instruction or supervision.

“This is a war between Hamas and Israel in which Iran is supporting Hamas, but Hamas is calling the shots,” said Bruce Riedel, a former CIA counterterrorism expert and now senior fellow at the Brookings Institution.

While there’s “no doubt” that Hamas coordinates with Iran, the group’s relative independence makes it a harder target for Israeli and Western intelligence agencies, Riedel added. “They do not routinely provide information to Iranian advisers who then communicate it home,” he said. “There aren’t any advisers in Gaza.”

The rockets and missiles launched by Hamas may have been locally produced, but they possess a clear Iranian pedigree, analysts and weapons experts said.

Years ago, Iranian rockets were smuggled from Egypt through Sinai into Gaza. But after President Abdel Fatah El-Sisi came to power, Egypt closed many of the tunnels that connected Sinai to Gaza, and Iran began helping Hamas develop an indigenous capability.

“It’s better to give your proxies the ability to produce this stuff themselves than to have to worry about logistical pipelines that can be interdicted and cut off,” Eisenstadt said.

Some of the rockets produced by Palestinian Islamic Jihad and Hamas have Farsi terms in the blueprints, Eisenstadt said. And a drone used by Hamas, called the Shahab, is based on the Iranian Ababil-2, a loitering munition which Eisenstadt said is almost identical to a model being used in Yemen by the Houthis, another Iranian proxy.

Though Israel Defense Forces have said there is no evidence of Iranian operational involvement in the attack, the tactics used are very much “in accordance with Iran’s concept of operations,” to create a “crossroads of fire” — launching an attack every few months or years to “undermine Israeli morale, sap Israeli resilience” with the aim of “undermining the long-term viability of Israel,” Eisenstadt said.

Adam Taylor and Karen DeYoung contributed to this report.

Originally Posted By Zhukov:
I really do hope that the Israeli leadership has a well thought-out plan and isn't just lashing out at anything and everything. Don't get me wrong - I'm not trying to criticize them after what they've been through (and still are), but if they don't have an overall plan then it could cause more problems in the future.

Originally Posted By Klee:
Fo Roster is awake!!

Originally Posted By wyorock:
Things I think I have learned:

1. The IDF and Mossad are not as good as I thought.
2. I thought most citizens there are well armed but that is not true.
3. Leftists have weakend Israel and put it in peril.
4. Obama and Biden have created a true monster with Iran that has completely fucked the world.

Anything I missed?

Originally Posted By 4thbreak:

"Important report" coming soon from North Korean news agency. No further details were given. https://t.co/FjpY15z6mB

doge  (@IntelDoge) October 10, 2023

Originally Posted By Mercworx:






Imo nothing will wake up American Jews

Originally Posted By Mercworx:
Imo nothing will wake up American Jews

Originally Posted By 4thbreak:

"Important report" coming soon from North Korean news agency. No further details were given. https://t.co/FjpY15z6mB

doge  (@IntelDoge) October 10, 2023

Originally Posted By The_Master_Shake:
Not going to post it because I won't give them the clicks but MSNBC already running;

"Israel shutting off electricity, water in Gaza will create a humanitarian disaster"

Originally Posted By Zhukov:
I really do hope that the Israeli leadership has a well thought-out plan and isn't just lashing out at anything and everything. Don't get me wrong - I'm not trying to criticize them after what they've been through (and still are), but if they don't have an overall plan then it could cause more problems in the future.

Originally Posted By 4thbreak:

"Important report" coming soon from North Korean news agency. No further details were given. https://t.co/FjpY15z6mB

doge  (@IntelDoge) October 10, 2023

Originally Posted By kcolg30:
For crying out loud. Someone from Hialeah brought a fucking rooster into Gaza.

Originally Posted By yodude:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/562719/IMG_6427_jpeg-2985569.JPG

Multiple sources posting this.

Originally Posted By Ascendent:


I can tell you from my direct observation 35 knots isn't close to flank speed for the USS Enterprise(rest her soul).  I have operated her throttles and reactors as well as the electric power plant.  One night on watch, we were being tailed by a Russian sub, who in turn was being tailed by an American sub.  Throughout the night, we slowly increased the turns until the Russian sub faded away, all the while being unknowingly logged and catalogued by the American sub. I won't tell you how many knots she was moving (classified), but the fantail was vibrating like all get out.  That old girl could move. We left the battle group behind to get to the Arabian Gulf through the Suez. No one in our group could match her speed.  

Originally Posted By cmxterra:
Somebody knock that damn speaker out.

Originally Posted By kcolg30:
For crying out loud. Someone from Hialeah brought a fucking rooster into Gaza.

Originally Posted By 4thbreak:

"Important report" coming soon from North Korean news agency. No further details were given. https://t.co/FjpY15z6mB

doge  (@IntelDoge) October 10, 2023