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Posted: 10/10/2023 6:48:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Egypt has a long history of limiting access in and out of Gaza and they aren’t fans of the bullshit Hamas brings. They have spent the last 15 years fortifying and digging deeper trenches on the border. I’m sure they realized that if left open, Hamas moves some of the shitshow to the safety of Egypt and that weakens their internal position. I thought I had read, probably on twitter, that the egyptians were allowing supplies and fuel to be trucked in, and israel bombed those trucks. Israel had declared no fuel, no supplies to be allowed in, just following through on that. didn't equate that to not allowing folks to get out, which would be egypts' determination and call. but things could've changed since that twitter note, it's a very fluid and dynamic situation, i'm not on it 100%. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 6:48:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZNetEng: Oh good. That should be fun. 
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Posted: 10/10/2023 6:48:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Buzz69: Jennifer Griffin just said the Gerald Ford has A-10s onboard.  Can A-10's launch from carriers? |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 6:48:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _DR: Good to know. I was recalling the H.M.S. Sheffield during the Falklands war, it seemed to have no ASM defense, of course that was 40 years ago. They had cwis and sea sparrows. The ground clutter made them near useless. The guns could only depress so much, and those argie a4s were flying 300ft or less on attack approach. For better or worse, those guys could fly, and used it to their advantage. Always blows my mind the argies had bad fuses, if they would have had them set up right, the hms sheffield wouldn't be the only one we would be remembering in that way. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 6:49:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _DR: Good to know. I was recalling the H.M.S. Sheffield during the Falklands war, it seemed to have no ASM defense, of course that was 40 years ago. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _DR: Originally Posted By Dino: Originally Posted By _DR: Phalanx can handle most anti-ship missiles, yes? incoming missiles also have to deal with missiles launched from carrier aircraft missiles launched by the escorts EW (both from air and surface assets) it's a numbers game and I don't believe that Iran has the numbers to actually do it. Good to know. I was recalling the H.M.S. Sheffield during the Falklands war, it seemed to have no ASM defense, of course that was 40 years ago. Iranian proxies launched some of their missiles at USS Mason in 2016, so our radars have gotten a good look at what that looks like. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 6:49:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CouchCommando22: Almost 20 Americans killed and who knows how many kidnapped and or missing. That is something that deserves some sort of response. Agreed, I wouldn’t be upset if we dropped a few bombs and sent in some tier one units. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 6:50:06 PM EDT
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The Carrier Strike Group is keenly aware and informed of the ASCM threat along the coast. I'm sure it's dominating their thoughts.
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Posted: 10/10/2023 6:50:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WoodHeat: Nah. 3 1/2" goose loads. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WoodHeat: Originally Posted By TugJob: Originally Posted By Charging_Handle: What round for paragliders? I'd like to see what a flechette round from a 90mm recoilless rifle would do to one. I'll take dozens of Fudds on rooftops with scoped bolt actions for 200 Alex. Nah. 3 1/2" goose loads. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 6:50:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Makarov: I’m guessing you weren’t around during the Carter administration??? That grinning, inept, yokel created the paradigm in which Islamic Terrorists have operated since 1980. I was. I was also around when we sunk multiple halves of their Navy several times |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 6:50:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7255: Shit might get proportional again. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7255: Originally Posted By Jm11513: Originally Posted By STRIKE504: China and Russia would love if the Iranians could bog us down in the middle east. Iran has a very very very poor history of trying to bog us down. Shit might get proportional again. We should take out their oil refineries |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 6:50:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: fla556guy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By borderpatrol: Can A-10's launch from carriers? |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 6:50:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DK-Prof: In another thread on arfcom yesterday, I was told that people generally dislike Jews because Jews started Communism.  |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 6:50:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: Dallas and Austin have MASSIVE communist groups. The Tech boom hasn't been good to our cities. so techies are communists (e.g. google, microsoft, etc)? doesn't seem to be helping the russians much, but then, they've sort of strayed into capitalism, "lost their way". in contrast to chyna, definitely old-school communists. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 6:50:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WoodHeat: Nah. 3 1/2" goose loads. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WoodHeat: Originally Posted By TugJob: Originally Posted By Charging_Handle: What round for paragliders? I'd like to see what a flechette round from a 90mm recoilless rifle would do to one. I'll take dozens of Fudds on rooftops with scoped bolt actions for 200 Alex. Nah. 3 1/2" goose loads. Steel shot is pretty useless against clothed humans except at extremely close range. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 6:51:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Not to mention the backroom political arm breaking required to force one of the surrounding states to take them, instead of just using them as pawns in geopolitical hatfields and mccoy's blood feud. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Originally Posted By Wineraner: Originally Posted By Sixgunner45: Originally Posted By David45: It's funny to watch in real-time as the US, Israeli, and assorted western governments all abruptly realize that: • not everyone in the world is on-board with exterminating all the Palestinians in Gaza • it is not possible to evacuate 1.5 million or so women and children across the Egyptian desert with a few days' notice Like all these people spent the last three days in an echo chamber and are just sort of dumbfounded about what to do now that getting rid of the "human animals" in Gaza isn't a realistic option. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/111224/A595-DB13-1-FA0-4356-95-BD-B1-D583233-AA-2986299.JPG Not at all. @David45 is absolutely right about this. It's just inconvenient to hear. There are several ways to solve both bullet points, and I disagree with some of the details, but he's right: this is going to be a bitch of a problem to solve, no matter how pissed off everyone rightfully is now. That said, acknowledging the solution will be difficult does not mean that you stop trying. It does mean you spend a lot of effort trying to make it work. Chartering ships. Busses and aircraft. Funding. Setting up temporary refugee camps, with screening. Food, water, shelter. Medical aid.. POL dumps. Munitions supplies. A million other things I'm forgetting, and that people like @elcope do expertly. Not to mention the backroom political arm breaking required to force one of the surrounding states to take them, instead of just using them as pawns in geopolitical hatfields and mccoy's blood feud. Egypt gets 3 billion a year in aid from the USA. I'm thinking they might squeeze by with $100,000 a year if they don't take them. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 6:51:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By machinegunseabee: Did we do this one yet? Residents smoke check terrorists “Inbar Lieberman, 25, who is the security coordinator for the village near the Gaza Strip, lead a group of residents to kill more than two dozen advancing terrorists.” Hell yeah!!! Hottie Hero!!! |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 6:51:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By borderpatrol: Can A-10's launch from carriers? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By borderpatrol: Originally Posted By Buzz69: Jennifer Griffin just said the Gerald Ford has A-10s onboard. Can A-10's launch from carriers? |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 6:51:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By borderpatrol: Can A-10's launch from carriers? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By borderpatrol: Originally Posted By Buzz69: Jennifer Griffin just said the Gerald Ford has A-10s onboard. Can A-10's launch from carriers? They can't connect to the catapult. ... as far as we know... |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 6:51:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Squatch: 1:1 is a proportion. So is 1:1,000 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Squatch: Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: “Proportional response” I never understood this… You’re walking down the street with your family. You’re carry a loaded Glock 19 and you have a sharpened pencil in your pocket. Suddenly a guy with a sharp pencil jumps out of the bushes and starts stabbing your kids with the pencil!! How do you respond? 1:1 is a proportion. So is 1:1,000 This is also my answer. Well said. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 6:53:04 PM EDT
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I'm not reading the entire post. But how many here are defending Hamas and Palestine saying there's a lot of propaganda against them and they were simply responding to the atrocities committed by Israel.
 I've seen a few I believe from what I have read. Palestine must be totally destroyed. They just declared war on Israel. This is Israel's 9-11 Hamas are rabid animals that should be treated as such. No mercy no quarter for any of them. Supporters of Hamas should be treated the same. Just my two cents. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 6:53:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher15: You shoot the motherfucker. If he's got a sharpened pencil, its John Wick! You better run! I once saw him kill three men in a bar with one. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 6:53:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 6SJ7GT: Emotions are running really high in here right now. Stop and think before hitting the submit button. I have deleted several parts myself. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 6SJ7GT: Originally Posted By The_Master_Shake: Originally Posted By Notrega: Drone footage from the Nova festival reveals the horror>> So there is no doubt as to where I stand #nukethecube will end every post seeing as some of you can't see past your own nose. I don't think anyone who's legitimately contributing or following this thread thought you were simping for the Pali's. There are people in this thread who are doing nothing but trying to make outlandish comments, troll, and slide. Fuck'em, Just move on and keep contributing Notrega  Emotions are running really high in here right now. Stop and think before hitting the submit button. I have deleted several parts myself. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 6:53:44 PM EDT
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I don’t chime in a whole lot… normally just to complete idiots or motorcycle idiots..
Anyway… This mess we shall call it will bleed out all over the world. I suspect that our own country will be facing challenges due to the current world climate. One being our energy grid. I’m going to leave that as it is what it is. I do suggest that everyone here and all your friends and family get prepared for outages such as the electrical grid. Even if it goes down for a matter of 48 hours grocery stores will close due to refrigeration/computer issues etc. Stock up on necessities such as water, canned goods, a couple gas cans etc. Bad times are coming. Prepare for it. It may not be murder and mayhem exactly, but it will come here in some form or fashion which will most likely be the grid. Have a basic plan. Have the ability to feed your family, protect them, and be mobile. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 6:55:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Swampgrass: If a country we're not at war with sinks a carrier they're getting nuked. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Swampgrass: Originally Posted By odiedodi: Originally Posted By maddmatt: If I remember correctly doesn't that result in a nuclear response? If a country we're not at war with sinks a carrier they're getting nuked. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 6:55:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rustler: I'm not fond of women on the front lines. I know IDF basically has to in order to have enough bodies, but I must say I bet it pisses the muslims off to get killed by women.  Very famous story in AFSOC about putting a female gunship nav on an open frequency with the Taliban for just that reason. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 6:55:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cheesebeast: You erase him, of course. Puns must be made no matter how serious the context. be John wick, he got 3 with his fkkn pencil. 1 isn't breaking a sweat |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 6:57:09 PM EDT
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Reported casualties so far:
- Israel: 1,200 killed, 3,418 injured - Gaza: 900 killed, 4,500 injured - West Bank: 21 killed, 130 injured - Lebanon: 5 killed Total: 2,126 killed, 8,048 injured |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 6:57:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Sounds like an idea destination for the Arabs currently occupying the Gaza Strip: load them up and send them to Saudi Arabia. Let it be their problem. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By realwar: Saudi Crown Prince continues 'to stand by Palestinian people' Saudi Arabia's de facto ruler told Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas he was working to prevent "an expansion" of conflict after the surprise Hamas attack on Israel, Saudi state media said early Tuesday. Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman also told Abbas the Gulf kingdom continued "to stand by the Palestinian people to achieve their legitimate rights to a decent life, achieve their hopes and aspirations, and achieve just and lasting peace," the official Saudi Press Agency reported. Link Sounds like an idea destination for the Arabs currently occupying the Gaza Strip: load them up and send them to Saudi Arabia. Let it be their problem. Sounds like we don't need to sell them any more weapons |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 6:57:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By neshomamench: Soon, there will be insane and vile “truthers” that make the claims that many of the atrocities are all fake or were done by Israel for some kind of propaganda. I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of the current student groups at Harvard support what happened to some degree. Competing masters now. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 6:57:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cincinnatus: "Proportional response" I never understood this You're walking down the street with your family. You're carry a loaded Glock 19 and you have a sharpened pencil in your pocket. Suddenly a guy with a sharp pencil jumps out of the bushes and starts stabbing your kids with the pencil!! How do you respond? The concept of proportion in time of conflict is totally misplaced. The answer is "whatever it takes." |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 6:58:22 PM EDT
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No idea if this is kosher or not. It's the internet after all.
US Sends Hostage Rescue Experts to Israel and Puts Special Ops 'Door Kickers' on Alert The U.S. has sent hostage rescue experts to advise the Israel Defense Forces on freeing the 150 hostages including possibly some Americans who were kidnapped by Hamas during the bloody attack on southern Israel, The Messenger has learned. https://themessenger.com/news/us-sends-special-operations-israel-hostage-rescue |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 6:58:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: So do I, but I also wouldn't expect the navy to park right up in range of them. What I was getting at, is that the idea that there's a "trap" we're falling into doesn't make any sense, logically. Well, there is at least one SSN in the task group but I don't think Chyna has placed any of their traps in the eastern Med. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 6:58:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gutter1000: Hell yeah!!! Hottie Hero!!! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gutter1000: Originally Posted By machinegunseabee: Did we do this one yet? Residents smoke check terrorists “Inbar Lieberman, 25, who is the security coordinator for the village near the Gaza Strip, lead a group of residents to kill more than two dozen advancing terrorists.” Hell yeah!!! Hottie Hero!!! Good for her! She saved many lives. I imagine the villages along the border will copy her strategy and implement teams like hers. Sad that many didn't already. Hottie hero will be an inspiration for all the future hottie heroes in Israel |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 6:58:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rustler: The M113 survived  Idiot hezzies Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rustler: Originally Posted By Chokey:
The M113 survived Idiot hezzies Many of their vehicles have reactive armor |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 6:59:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FistPeso]
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By XNARC: Just curious on what’s your understanding of Gaza being an ‘open air prison’ ? I’ve heard that a lot, but looking at a few videos and I see media interviewing people driving newer cars of all makes and models, wearing what looks to be name brand clothing, with cellphones. I see stores, markets, dealerships, Internet cafes, restaurants depicted. Media is reporting that an upscale area with many apartments and condos associated with hamas elected leadership was under recent Israeli bombing. I just read where Scotland’s PM is worried about his in-laws who are visiting family there in Gaza. I’ve read a recent UNICEF report that over 180,000 have fled to other countries. This, combined with stock footage of hamas having military vehicles, weapons, rockets, and so on. Combine that with reports of Palestinians opening protesting in a number of US cities, as well as other countries throughout the world…so what am I missing about open air prison? They are restrained from freely killing Israelis, so it feels like a prison. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 6:59:40 PM EDT
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I can't help but think due the brazenly brutal nature of these attacks against Israel that foreign country conspirator(s) wanted to evoke this response from Israel. Lure them in to do what next?...
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Posted: 10/10/2023 6:59:40 PM EDT
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I noticed the base I work at increased the security posture a lot. Not sure if all installations or just mine
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Posted: 10/10/2023 6:59:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DK-Prof: In another thread on arfcom yesterday, I was told that people generally dislike Jews because Jews started Communism. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DK-Prof: Originally Posted By _DR: Makes sense. Communists hate Jews. Stalin killed more Jewish people than Hitler with his pogroms. In another thread on arfcom yesterday, I was told that people generally dislike Jews because Jews started Communism. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 6:59:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By snubfan: The UN has passed more resolutions against Israel than against all other nations on earth combined. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 6:59:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: Can someone post the technical details of the carbines most Israeli troops seem to be carrying? They appear to be 14.5" pencil barrel A1 type carbines, not M4s. Are these Colt rifles? Twist rate? They certainly look light and handy, the essence KISS carbine. https://thehebrewhammer.net/2014/11/20/idf-m16-variants-menusar/ |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 7:00:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sandbowl1980: I'm not reading the entire post. But how many here are defending Hamas and Palestine saying there's a lot of propaganda against them and they were simply responding to the atrocities committed by Israel. I've seen a few I believe from what I have read. Palestine must be totally destroyed. They just declared war on Israel. This is Israel's 9-11 Hamas are rabid animals that should be treated as such. No mercy no quarter for any of them. Supporters of Hamas should be treated the same. Just my two cents. Not many lately, very early on in the thread there was a couple that were foaming all about the Palestine Hamas terrorists being the oppressed victims, but they got shit down early on |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 7:00:06 PM EDT
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I don't know this for sure so anyone with more direct info, please correct me.. But it looks like reservists called up to return to Israel have to foot the bill themselves on El Al.
Looks to be around $750 for a one way ticket outta the NY metro area. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 7:00:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JT_26: No idea if this is kosher or not. It's the internet after all. US Sends Hostage Rescue Experts to Israel and Puts Special Ops 'Door Kickers' on Alert The U.S. has sent hostage rescue experts to advise the Israel Defense Forces on freeing the 150 hostages including possibly some Americans who were kidnapped by Hamas during the bloody attack on southern Israel, The Messenger has learned. https://themessenger.com/news/us-sends-special-operations-israel-hostage-rescue Doesn't quite compute. The IDF, of all people, hardly need advice on hostage negotiation. And we don't speak their language |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 7:00:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By joker2041: I don’t chime in a whole lot… normally just to complete idiots or motorcycle idiots.. Anyway… This mess we shall call it will bleed out all over the world. I suspect that our own country will be facing challenges due to the current world climate. One being our energy grid. I’m going to leave that as it is what it is. I do suggest that everyone here and all your friends and family get prepared for outages such as the electrical grid. Even if it goes down for a matter of 48 hours grocery stores will close due to refrigeration/computer issues etc. Stock up on necessities such as water, canned goods, a couple gas cans etc. Bad times are coming. Prepare for it. It may not be murder and mayhem exactly, but it will come here in some form or fashion which will most likely be the grid. Have a basic plan. Have the ability to feed your family, protect them, and be mobile. No you can dang sure count on murder and mayhem happening. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 7:01:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cincinnatus: “Proportional response” I never understood this… You’re walking down the street with your family. You’re carry a loaded Glock 19 and you have a sharpened pencil in your pocket. Suddenly a guy with a sharp pencil jumps out of the bushes and starts stabbing your kids with the pencil!! How do you respond? Smoke his ass with the Glock, then write " dead" on his forehead |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 7:01:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades: Open air prisontm Straight from the talking points pamphlet. Why are they trapped? They share a border with Egypt. Why don't their Muslim brothers take them in? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades: Originally Posted By shepherds_hook: Perhaps it is justified the Palestinians are trapped in that open air prison like rats, but when you trap rats in a cage with nothing to lose and they go buck wild attacking everything in sight, it isn't the slightest of a surprise. Can't say I harbor much sympathy to either side here. Open air prisontm Straight from the talking points pamphlet. Why are they trapped? They share a border with Egypt. Why don't their Muslim brothers take them in? |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 7:02:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JT_26: No idea if this is kosher or not. It's the internet after all. US Sends Hostage Rescue Experts to Israel and Puts Special Ops 'Door Kickers' on Alert The U.S. has sent hostage rescue experts to advise the Israel Defense Forces on freeing the 150 hostages including possibly some Americans who were kidnapped by Hamas during the bloody attack on southern Israel, The Messenger has learned. https://themessenger.com/news/us-sends-special-operations-israel-hostage-rescue I imagine the odds are high that some of our tier one dudes will get some trigger time there |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 7:02:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JT_26: No idea if this is kosher or not. It's the internet after all. US Sends Hostage Rescue Experts to Israel and Puts Special Ops 'Door Kickers' on Alert The U.S. has sent hostage rescue experts to advise the Israel Defense Forces on freeing the 150 hostages including possibly some Americans who were kidnapped by Hamas during the bloody attack on southern Israel, The Messenger has learned. https://themessenger.com/news/us-sends-special-operations-israel-hostage-rescue |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 7:02:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By djkel: Kinda, but unlike a C-130 they can't land on one. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By djkel: Originally Posted By borderpatrol: Originally Posted By Buzz69: Jennifer Griffin just said the Gerald Ford has A-10s onboard. Can A-10's launch from carriers? Actually, they can. 
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Posted: 10/10/2023 7:03:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scotchymcdrinkerbean: Steel shot is pretty useless against clothed humans except at extremely close range. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scotchymcdrinkerbean: Originally Posted By WoodHeat: Originally Posted By TugJob: Originally Posted By Charging_Handle: What round for paragliders? I'd like to see what a flechette round from a 90mm recoilless rifle would do to one. I'll take dozens of Fudds on rooftops with scoped bolt actions for 200 Alex. Nah. 3 1/2" goose loads. Steel shot is pretty useless against clothed humans except at extremely close range. Wonder how full chokes and pattern control wads from pop up blinds work on the sails/airframe/engines. Be like a busy day goose hunting |
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