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Originally Posted By WoodHeat: The campaign to hamstring Israel is starting to ramp up. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By WoodHeat: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By Skywarner: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Abc news reporting American hostages killed in over night bombing? Any other reports on this? Tangential info on Fox stating that some Israeli hostages were killed in an air strike overnight. Very sad, but likely to happen given the situation. Abc news says 13 foreign hostages were killed including Americans The campaign to hamstring Israel is starting to ramp up. I watched ABC news last night and was shocked they covered the many atrocities that Hamas committed but before it ended the campaign about the poor innocent starving civilians had to be tossed into the mix. |
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Teach me to live, that I may dread the grave as little as my bed.
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Deckard “nobody wants to know the truth, nobody” Cobra Kai Johnny Lawrence “she’s hot and all those other things” Tucker Carlson 1/10/2018 “I used to be a liberatarian until Google”https://mobile.twitter.com/Henry_Gunn
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Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: https://www.iranintl.com/en/202302015934 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_5699_jpeg-2989474.JPG View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Originally Posted By AROKIE: North friggin Korea.. and Russia has been getting arms lately from them too. https://www.iranintl.com/en/202302015934 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_5699_jpeg-2989474.JPG Lol, of course they will |
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Deckard “nobody wants to know the truth, nobody” Cobra Kai Johnny Lawrence “she’s hot and all those other things” Tucker Carlson 1/10/2018 “I used to be a liberatarian until Google”https://mobile.twitter.com/Henry_Gunn
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What have the Romans ever done for us?
TN, USA
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Originally Posted By SavedByTheBlood: That was odd. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/521951/IMG_0546_jpeg-2989493.JPG View Quote The ole ghost page. Happens all the time in the UKR/Rus thread. |
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Originally Posted By buck19delta: Honestly, Israel’s been stocking up for over 50 years, I’m surprised their country isn’t packed full of ammo, and have 3x what the USA does, and not need restocking even after years of warfare. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By buck19delta: Originally Posted By Wildfowler: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
Sheeze. What is this amateur hour? I've got more that that in my ammo fort at home. Honestly, Israel’s been stocking up for over 50 years, I’m surprised their country isn’t packed full of ammo, and have 3x what the USA does, and not need restocking even after years of warfare. And the USA also has a HUGE store of weapons there for our own use in case of a major Middle East war. So I think that shipment is just for optics, as in "look at us! We are helping!" |
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Originally Posted By 4thbreak: Brutal stabbing video below
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Originally Posted By Chaingun: The muslim religion is a different beast, with engraved writings to kill non believers. There's no turning off this hate switch. Sure, many don't follow killing non believers, but the hate switch is written in the writings that all muslims read yearly. View Quote Let’s not pretend Judaism is all butterflies and rainbows. The same God that told Muslims to kill nonbelievers has repeatedly told Jews “that land over there is yours, go kill everyone in the way and take it”. The fact that Israel is still having issues tells me either a) the Jews need to do what God told them to do every time some random tribe was giving them issues, and kill or displace every two or four legged non-Jew in the West Bank and Gaza or b) God changed his mind and the Jews are no longer his chosen people. |
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Dupe — Aljazeera tweet above
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Originally Posted By temetnoscesax: but the fucking Biden admin and Dems are protecting Iran. bunch of fucking traitors. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By temetnoscesax: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
but the fucking Biden admin and Dems are protecting Iran. bunch of fucking traitors. If the US/Israeli intelligence agencies came out and said "Yeah, Iran planned all this" it would create irresistible political pressure on Netanyahu to do something about Iran NOW while the IDF are fully occupied with rooting out Hamas and keeping Hezbollah at bay. And once Iran was in they could lob ballistic and cruise missiles at Israel 24/7 while the Israelis would have to divert assets from the front to strike back at Iran. Of course the Biden Administration will likely botch this in the future, much how they had to walk back President Pudding Brain's comments about seeing the beheading pics. But for right now Israel has to be patient: First Hamas, then Hezbollah, and then Iran. Not all three at the same time. |
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Originally Posted By Fulcrum-5: Probably the only way to deal with the Palestinians is to have them broken up into unsustainable groups and moved out of the area. Drop a mass of 50K of them in a country, and spread them out all over, while applying pressure to assimilate (ya know, that thing we aren't supposed to do to immigrants anymore?), and letting them know what happens if they step out of line. Give it a generation, and their kids are speaking Turkish or Swahili or Polish or Mayan and getting married to Suzy/Ernst/Mobutu/Shinji from down the block. That is pretty much the definition of Cultural Genocide....so it'd be a tough sell.....along with the concept of accepting 50K people from an ethnic group with a "strong history of political and ethnic violence and international terrorism". View Quote The blame squarely rests on Hamas … period … |
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reported ~30 mins ago |
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Originally Posted By kells81: The number seems like "oh wow 100k rounds" I know at least 5 people with that many rounds stockpiled. I don't have it all in one caliber but could give that 100k a decent run between 556/9mm/308/22 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By kells81: Originally Posted By Wildfowler: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
Sheeze. What is this amateur hour? I've got more that that in my ammo fort at home. The number seems like "oh wow 100k rounds" I know at least 5 people with that many rounds stockpiled. I don't have it all in one caliber but could give that 100k a decent run between 556/9mm/308/22 I don't think many think that's a "great" number of rounds since most serious members here neckbeard the fuck out of ammo to feed the ammo fort addiction. |
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Originally Posted By Tallahasseezz: North Korean weapons, that lines up well with this being a Chinese/Iran backed operation. View Quote China has no interest in this fight. If anything, I would say Russia instead of China, as Russia has been tight with Kim Jong-Un procuring arms shipments for their continuing war in Ukraine. |
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Originally Posted By Zhukov: That is interesting. They appear to be using very loud sound generators to create pain and confusion in addition to the tear gas. It definitely seems to be working. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By 4thbreak:
That is interesting. They appear to be using very loud sound generators to create pain and confusion in addition to the tear gas. It definitely seems to be working. Yes it causes you to not hear when your blind and can't breathe, it cause panic |
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Originally Posted By AROKIE: Not possible, technology now days can smell them from a long ways off View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By Eagle157: Originally Posted By FMJ0311: Pure speculation. Iran smuggled a crude nuke into Gaza. They plan to draw as many IDF in as possible and detonate. I sure hope you are wrong. Not possible, technology now days can smell them from a long ways off Given the intelligence failures which led to the current shitshow? |
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reported ~10 mins ago |
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Originally Posted By SavedByTheBlood: That was odd. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/521951/IMG_0546_jpeg-2989493.JPG View Quote It's quite normal in long threads |
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Originally Posted By GarandM1: That article is chock-full of the same arrogant hubris that allowed Hamas to pull off their surprise attack in the first place. Just because your enemy doesn't do what you think he should do it doesn't mean he's stupid or he doesn't have a plan. If your enemy is doing something that doesn't make sense then you're likely the one who is vulnerable because you can't see your own weaknesses like he can. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By GarandM1: Originally Posted By J_Von_Random: https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2023/10/12/were-probably-overestimating-the-intelligence-of-hamas-n584315 Just because your enemy doesn't do what you think he should do it doesn't mean he's stupid or he doesn't have a plan. If your enemy is doing something that doesn't make sense then you're likely the one who is vulnerable because you can't see your own weaknesses like he can. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By yodude: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/562719/IMG_6450_jpeg-2989478.JPG So what is this? View Quote The prelude to empty hangars at Whiteman AFB. Once that happens all bets are off. |
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Originally Posted By uxb: From the 2019 test... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/18677/20221013_173209_jpg-2989480.JPG View Quote @uxb were you there? I helped mobilize the camp for it. |
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What we are already seeing and what will ramp up considerably now is the MSM showing footage of the poor Palestinians in Gaza suffering at the hands of the Jews. Gone completely from the news will be the terror wreaked upon the Jewish civilians last Saturday.
This is the playbook, and has been for quite some time. Israel needs to ignore world opinion and do what is right for their people and their security. While we may all have an opinion on what that is, the only one that truly counts now is Israel's. It should be clear to anyone watching over the past week that the coexistence between the Palestinians and Jews is simply not possible. What I think is unfortunate now is they do have some common ground. They both want the other wiped out. That is an opinion of course but based on the 28 Israelis I've talked to this week. 4 of those families lost 2 generations at the hands of the Palestinians last weekend. As to the simpleton fucksticks that vocally support Hamas... you're a fucking terrorist too. I appreciate you identifying yourself so that you get treated accordingly. |
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“So, never give up. Continue to fight. You’ll either find a win here and there, or you’ll die fighting. I can accept either of those out comes”- March 31st, 2020 - Until Valhalla
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Originally Posted By Zhukov: China has no interest in this fight. If anything, I would say Russia instead of China, as Russia has been tight with Kim Jong-Un procuring arms shipments for their continuing war in Ukraine. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By Tallahasseezz: North Korean weapons, that lines up well with this being a Chinese/Iran backed operation. China has no interest in this fight. If anything, I would say Russia instead of China, as Russia has been tight with Kim Jong-Un procuring arms shipments for their continuing war in Ukraine. Disagree. China has a very real interest in disruption, division and distraction in the west. |
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China delenda est
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God's grace is not cheap; it's free.
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Originally Posted By jwr6: Let’s not pretend Judaism is all butterflies and rainbows. The same God that told Muslims to kill nonbelievers has repeatedly told Jews “that land over there is yours, go kill everyone in the way and take it”. The fact that Israel is still having issues tells me either a) the Jews need to do what God told them to do every time some random tribe was giving them issues, and kill or displace every two or four legged non-Jew in the West Bank and Gaza or b) God changed his mind and the Jews are no longer his chosen people. View Quote Is this the same ol we're all the same and somehow deserve it bullshit? Like the Israeli's are somehow responsible for what someone did thousands of years ago. |
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Originally Posted By AZNetEng: What we are already seeing and what will ramp up considerably now is the MSM showing footage of the poor Palestinians in Gaza suffering at the hands of the Jews. Gone completely from the news will be the terror wreaked upon the Jewish civilians last Saturday. This is the playbook, and has been for quite some time. Israel needs to ignore world opinion and do what is right for their people and their security. While we may all have an opinion on what that is, the only one that truly counts now is Israel's. It should be clear to anyone watching over the past week that the coexistence between the Palestinians and Jews is simply not possible. What I think is unfortunate now is they do have some common ground. They both want the other wiped out. That is an opinion of course but based on the 28 Israelis I've talked to this week. 4 of those families lost 2 generations at the hands of the Palestinians last weekend. As to the simpleton fucksticks that vocally support Hamas... you're a fucking terrorist too. I appreciate you identifying yourself so that you get treated accordingly. View Quote Most I've talked with here at home including some Democrats take Bibi at his word this time that Hamas will be wiped from Gaza. If I were Israel there would be no fucks given about the rest of the world opinion. |
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Originally Posted By BUCC_Guy: Israelis taking some time to rescue doggos View Quote That right there shows who the good guys are. Shed a few happy tears seeing that after all the killing |
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Originally Posted By jwr6: Let’s not pretend Judaism is all butterflies and rainbows. The same God that told Muslims to kill nonbelievers has repeatedly told Jews “that land over there is yours, go kill everyone in the way and take it”. The fact that Israel is still having issues tells me either a) the Jews need to do what God told them to do every time some random tribe was giving them issues, and kill or displace every two or four legged non-Jew in the West Bank and Gaza or b) God changed his mind and the Jews are no longer his chosen people. View Quote When have the Jewish people ever completely obeyed God? After escaping Egypt, they couldn't go 40 days without making a golden idol. |
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I dont think this is a brains type of operation.
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Originally Posted By Tallahasseezz: North Korean weapons, that lines up well with this being a Chinese/Iran backed operation. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Tallahasseezz: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
North Korean weapons, that lines up well with this being a Chinese/Iran backed operation. Let's not leave Russia out of this, NK has been supplying Russia for Ukraine. Massive amounts. |
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In Him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
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Originally Posted By mooreshawnm: Disagree. China has a very real interest in disruption, division and distraction in the west. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By mooreshawnm: Originally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By Tallahasseezz: North Korean weapons, that lines up well with this being a Chinese/Iran backed operation. China has no interest in this fight. If anything, I would say Russia instead of China, as Russia has been tight with Kim Jong-Un procuring arms shipments for their continuing war in Ukraine. Disagree. China has a very real interest in disruption, division and distraction in the west. |
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Originally Posted By mooreshawnm: Disagree. China has a very real interest in disruption, division and distraction in the west. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By mooreshawnm: Originally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By Tallahasseezz: North Korean weapons, that lines up well with this being a Chinese/Iran backed operation. China has no interest in this fight. If anything, I would say Russia instead of China, as Russia has been tight with Kim Jong-Un procuring arms shipments for their continuing war in Ukraine. Disagree. China has a very real interest in disruption, division and distraction in the west. Of the West (as a whole), yes. Of the region that supplies the oil that keeps their economy going? Not so much. |
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Daddy loves you. Now go away.
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Click To View Spoiler Hamas Attack on Israel Brings New Scrutiny of Group’s Ties to Iran Officials from Iran and Hezbollah helped plan the attack, people familiar with the operation said, but the U.S. and its allies have not found evidence directly linking Tehran. 1m ago Hamas rockets launching toward Israel last weekend from Gaza. Iran has helped Hamas design and produce a domestic missile and rocket system. Hamas rockets launching toward Israel last weekend from Gaza. Iran has helped Hamas design and produce a domestic missile and rocket system.Fatima Shbair/Associated Press Oct. 13, 2023, 5:48 a.m. ET Last weekend’s attack on Israel by Hamas has brought renewed scrutiny of the armed Palestinian group’s longstanding relationship with Iran, and questions about whether the Gaza-based group could have pulled off such a sophisticated and devastating operation on its own. Iran has a long history of training and arming proxy militia groups in the region, from Gaza to Lebanon, Iraq and Syria. It supports Hamas militarily and has helped it design and produce a domestic missile and rocket system to match the capabilities and material available in Gaza — an impoverished, densely populated coastal strip that has been blockaded by Israel and Egypt for the past 16 years. And over the past year, there have been signs that Iran and its proxies were preparing to take a more aggressive approach toward Israel. Gen. Esmail Ghaani, who is in charge of supervising Iran’s network of proxy militias as head of the country’s paramilitary Quds Force, repeatedly traveled to Lebanon for covert sessions with leaders of Hamas and Hezbollah, a Shiite Lebanese militia that Iran also supports. Over the past year, Mr. Ghaani worked to coordinate and unify all of Iran’s proxies, according to public statements from Iranian analysts and five Iranians familiar with the work of the country’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps. Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of Hezbollah, held an hourslong online meeting in March with an elite group of strategists from all the Iran-backed militias and told them to get ready for a war with Israel with a scope and reach — including a ground invasion — that would mark a new era, according to two participants from Iran and Syria. The participants spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to publicly discuss the meeting. There are conflicting accounts of whether these activities were leading specifically toward last week’s attack by Hamas, which left 1,200 Israelis dead and shattered the country’s sense of security. Some people familiar with the operation said that a tight circle of leaders from Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas helped plan the attack starting over a year ago, trained militants and had advanced knowledge of it. That account is based on interviews with three Iranians affiliated with the Revolutionary Guards, one Iranian connected to senior leadership and a Syrian affiliated with Hezbollah. Other people say they believe Iran had some involvement but it was not as deep. “The implementation was all Hamas, but we do not deny Iran’s help and support,” said Ali Barakeh, a senior Hamas official based in Beirut. Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, has publicly denied the country played a role, even as he and other Iranian leaders praised the carnage. “We kiss the foreheads and arms of the resourceful and intelligent designers,” Mr. Khamenei said this week in his first televised speech since the attack. But he added: “Those who say that the recent saga is the work of non-Palestinians have miscalculated.” The United States, Israel and key regional allies have said they have not found evidence in early intelligence gathering that Iran directly helped plan the attack. The United States has collected multiple pieces of intelligence that show that key Iranian leaders were surprised by it, according to several American officials, including people who would typically be aware of operations involving the Quds Forces. Israel has also been examining what it knew. “Israeli intelligence does not have any information according to which Iran initiated or was involved or directly assisted in the terrible attack,” said Nir Dinar, a spokesman for Israel’s military. “On the other hand, one has to be naïve to think that those in Tehran woke up on Saturday morning and were surprised to hear the news about what happened.” It may take months or years to learn all that went into planning the attack, and why Israel’s sophisticated intelligence operation missed it. Many parties have incentives to spread disinformation or emphasize different aspects of the narrative; some may want to expand the war as others seek to limit it. “We obviously don’t know what happened behind the scenes. This is going to be privileged, secret information that was meant to be kept secret,” said Afshon Ostovar, an expert on Iran’s military and proxies and an associate professor at Naval Postgraduate School. He added that it was safe to assume “some level of coordination,” because Iran and Lebanon would not have wanted to be caught off guard by the attack. Hamas gunmen captured and interrogated by Israel said they had been training for the latest operation for a year, according to Israeli defense officials. Abu Ubaida, the Hamas spokesman in the Gaza Strip, said in a televised speech that the group had organized a 3,000-person battalion for the attack and had another 1,500 backup fighters. On Tuesday, Israel said it had killed close to 1,600 of those attackers. Mr. Barakeh, the Hamas official in Beirut, said in an interview that the attack plans were so tightly held that he only found out about the assault when he received a slew of text messages early on Saturday morning. Still, training had been taking place in Lebanon and Syria, and a secret joint command center had been set up in Beirut, according to the Iranians and the Syrian familiar with the operation. Hezbollah’s top commandos, experienced in urban guerrilla warfare, trained Hamas members in Syria and Lebanon, according to two Iranians. Paragliders trained in Lebanon, they said, while in Syria, the Hamas members were trained to raid Israeli communities and take civilians hostage. Hezbollah has helped train other Iran-backed militias from the region before, such as the Houthis in Yemen. The Lebanese group also deployed fighters to Syria during the war there, where they trained and fought alongside Syria’s army. Over the past six months, Hezbollah created provocations meant to mislead and distract Israel along its northern border with Lebanon and in Syria so it would think the real threat was coming from those areas, according to two Iranians briefed after the attack. An Israeli intelligence official confirmed that hundreds of Palestinian fighters from Hamas and other groups, and possibly even more, have been trained in Hezbollah camps in Syria and Lebanon over the past years. While they may have been trained on skills used in the recent attack, he said, that does not mean that the Iranians knew how and when they would use that training. One of the Iranians briefed on the operation said that four days before the attack, all those participating were rounded up by Hamas commanders and isolated. Their electronic devices were confiscated and they had no contact with the outside world, something that could help explain why Israel was blindsided. On Oct. 7, several hours before launching the operation, this person said, Hamas commanders informed the attackers that they would be invading Israel on speedboats, on paragliders and over land by breaking through the barbed wire fence along the territory’s border using tractors. This account of how the attack was carried out could not be independently verified. In retrospect, some warning signs that Israel missed may now be more apparent. In September, Israeli intelligence officials told The New York Times that they had intelligence suggesting Mr. Khamenei, Iran’s supreme leader, had ordered a wide campaign against Israel including targeting its citizens abroad, conducting sabotage inside its borders, and smuggling sophisticated weapons to the Palestinians to ignite a civil war in the West Bank. That was in retaliation for shadow war operations conducted by Israel in Iran, they said. It was not the only talk of broad action. In various meetings of Iran’s proxy militias, several attendees said, the emphasis from leaders was that it was time to take advantage of Israel’s seething internal divisions over the judicial overhaul pushed by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s far-right coalition. In the meeting Mr. Nasrallah held in March, he told militants to prepare for a war on a scale that would mark a turning point in the decades-long Arab-Israeli conflict (though it is unclear whether he had last week’s attack in mind). Similarly, in audio reviewed by The Times of an April discussion among members of the Revolutionary Guards, including those involved with proxies in the region, a speaker said, “The message that is being communicated from Iran these days to the resistance is that we showcase a military maneuver to make the Zionist regime understand it is surrounded from every side.” Even before the Hamas attack, some Israeli intelligence officials said that in hindsight, they regretted their support for Israeli targeted killings in Iran and operations to sabotage its nuclear and military facilities, because they had not been a significant deterrent to either Iran’s nuclear program or its regional activities. In fact, they had put Iran and Israel on a path of direct confrontation, one of the officials said. On Oct. 3, four days before Hamas launched its attack on southern Israel, Mr. Khamenei’s official account in Farsi posted a message on X, formerly known as Twitter, that said: “Israel will be gone.” The planners of the terror attack on Israel most certainly knew that it carried the risk of igniting a wider regional war. But the parties have long wanted to avenge an accumulation of grievances — from Israeli airstrikes on Gaza and Syria, to the long blockade of Gaza, to the covert war against Iran — amid a long-held collective determination to destroy Israel. They may also have hoped to force Israel into major concessions, like lifting the blockade or keeping Israeli forces from entering the Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem’s Old City — one of Islam’s holiest sites. Hamas named its operation against Israel “The Aqsa Flood.” Hwaida Saad contributed reporting from Beirut. Farnaz Fassihi is a reporter for The New York Times based in New York. Previously she was a senior writer and war correspondent for the Wall Street Journal for 17 years based in the Middle East. More about Farnaz Fassihi Ronen Bergman is a staff writer for The New York Times Magazine, based in Tel Aviv. His latest book is “Rise and Kill First: The Secret History of Israel’s Targeted Assassinations,” published by Random House. More about Ronen Bergman View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By HIPPO:
New York Times: "Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of Hezbollah, held an hourslong online meeting in March with an elite group of strategists from all the Iran-backed militias and told them to get ready for a war with Israel with a scope and reach — including a ground invasion — that would mark a new era, according to two participants from Iran and Syria" https://nytimes.com/2023/10/13/world/middleeast/hamas-iran-israel-attack.html?smid=nytcore-android-share
New York Times: "Training had been taking place in Lebanon and Syria, and a secret joint command center had been set up in Beirut, according to the Iranians and the Syrian familiar with the operation. Hezbollah’s top commandos, experienced in urban guerrilla warfare, trained Hamas members in Syria and Lebanon, according to two Iranians. Paragliders trained in Lebanon, they said, while in Syria, the Hamas members were trained to raid Israeli communities and take civilians hostage."
"In September, Israeli intelligence officials told The New York Times that they had intelligence suggesting Mr. Khamenei, Iran’s supreme leader, had ordered a wide campaign against Israel including targeting its citizens abroad, conducting sabotage inside its borders, and smuggling sophisticated weapons to the Palestinians to ignite a civil war in the West Bank."
New York Times: "In various meetings of Iran’s proxy militias, several attendees said, the emphasis from leaders was that it was time to take advantage of Israel’s seething internal divisions over the judicial overhaul pushed by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s far-right coalition. In the meeting Mr. Nasrallah held in March, he told militants to prepare for a war on a scale that would mark a turning point in the decades-long Arab-Israeli conflict (though it is unclear whether he had last week’s attack in mind)."
Click To View Spoiler Hamas Attack on Israel Brings New Scrutiny of Group’s Ties to Iran Officials from Iran and Hezbollah helped plan the attack, people familiar with the operation said, but the U.S. and its allies have not found evidence directly linking Tehran. 1m ago Hamas rockets launching toward Israel last weekend from Gaza. Iran has helped Hamas design and produce a domestic missile and rocket system. Hamas rockets launching toward Israel last weekend from Gaza. Iran has helped Hamas design and produce a domestic missile and rocket system.Fatima Shbair/Associated Press Oct. 13, 2023, 5:48 a.m. ET Last weekend’s attack on Israel by Hamas has brought renewed scrutiny of the armed Palestinian group’s longstanding relationship with Iran, and questions about whether the Gaza-based group could have pulled off such a sophisticated and devastating operation on its own. Iran has a long history of training and arming proxy militia groups in the region, from Gaza to Lebanon, Iraq and Syria. It supports Hamas militarily and has helped it design and produce a domestic missile and rocket system to match the capabilities and material available in Gaza — an impoverished, densely populated coastal strip that has been blockaded by Israel and Egypt for the past 16 years. And over the past year, there have been signs that Iran and its proxies were preparing to take a more aggressive approach toward Israel. Gen. Esmail Ghaani, who is in charge of supervising Iran’s network of proxy militias as head of the country’s paramilitary Quds Force, repeatedly traveled to Lebanon for covert sessions with leaders of Hamas and Hezbollah, a Shiite Lebanese militia that Iran also supports. Over the past year, Mr. Ghaani worked to coordinate and unify all of Iran’s proxies, according to public statements from Iranian analysts and five Iranians familiar with the work of the country’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps. Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of Hezbollah, held an hourslong online meeting in March with an elite group of strategists from all the Iran-backed militias and told them to get ready for a war with Israel with a scope and reach — including a ground invasion — that would mark a new era, according to two participants from Iran and Syria. The participants spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to publicly discuss the meeting. There are conflicting accounts of whether these activities were leading specifically toward last week’s attack by Hamas, which left 1,200 Israelis dead and shattered the country’s sense of security. Some people familiar with the operation said that a tight circle of leaders from Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas helped plan the attack starting over a year ago, trained militants and had advanced knowledge of it. That account is based on interviews with three Iranians affiliated with the Revolutionary Guards, one Iranian connected to senior leadership and a Syrian affiliated with Hezbollah. Other people say they believe Iran had some involvement but it was not as deep. “The implementation was all Hamas, but we do not deny Iran’s help and support,” said Ali Barakeh, a senior Hamas official based in Beirut. Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, has publicly denied the country played a role, even as he and other Iranian leaders praised the carnage. “We kiss the foreheads and arms of the resourceful and intelligent designers,” Mr. Khamenei said this week in his first televised speech since the attack. But he added: “Those who say that the recent saga is the work of non-Palestinians have miscalculated.” The United States, Israel and key regional allies have said they have not found evidence in early intelligence gathering that Iran directly helped plan the attack. The United States has collected multiple pieces of intelligence that show that key Iranian leaders were surprised by it, according to several American officials, including people who would typically be aware of operations involving the Quds Forces. Israel has also been examining what it knew. “Israeli intelligence does not have any information according to which Iran initiated or was involved or directly assisted in the terrible attack,” said Nir Dinar, a spokesman for Israel’s military. “On the other hand, one has to be naïve to think that those in Tehran woke up on Saturday morning and were surprised to hear the news about what happened.” It may take months or years to learn all that went into planning the attack, and why Israel’s sophisticated intelligence operation missed it. Many parties have incentives to spread disinformation or emphasize different aspects of the narrative; some may want to expand the war as others seek to limit it. “We obviously don’t know what happened behind the scenes. This is going to be privileged, secret information that was meant to be kept secret,” said Afshon Ostovar, an expert on Iran’s military and proxies and an associate professor at Naval Postgraduate School. He added that it was safe to assume “some level of coordination,” because Iran and Lebanon would not have wanted to be caught off guard by the attack. Hamas gunmen captured and interrogated by Israel said they had been training for the latest operation for a year, according to Israeli defense officials. Abu Ubaida, the Hamas spokesman in the Gaza Strip, said in a televised speech that the group had organized a 3,000-person battalion for the attack and had another 1,500 backup fighters. On Tuesday, Israel said it had killed close to 1,600 of those attackers. Mr. Barakeh, the Hamas official in Beirut, said in an interview that the attack plans were so tightly held that he only found out about the assault when he received a slew of text messages early on Saturday morning. Still, training had been taking place in Lebanon and Syria, and a secret joint command center had been set up in Beirut, according to the Iranians and the Syrian familiar with the operation. Hezbollah’s top commandos, experienced in urban guerrilla warfare, trained Hamas members in Syria and Lebanon, according to two Iranians. Paragliders trained in Lebanon, they said, while in Syria, the Hamas members were trained to raid Israeli communities and take civilians hostage. Hezbollah has helped train other Iran-backed militias from the region before, such as the Houthis in Yemen. The Lebanese group also deployed fighters to Syria during the war there, where they trained and fought alongside Syria’s army. Over the past six months, Hezbollah created provocations meant to mislead and distract Israel along its northern border with Lebanon and in Syria so it would think the real threat was coming from those areas, according to two Iranians briefed after the attack. An Israeli intelligence official confirmed that hundreds of Palestinian fighters from Hamas and other groups, and possibly even more, have been trained in Hezbollah camps in Syria and Lebanon over the past years. While they may have been trained on skills used in the recent attack, he said, that does not mean that the Iranians knew how and when they would use that training. One of the Iranians briefed on the operation said that four days before the attack, all those participating were rounded up by Hamas commanders and isolated. Their electronic devices were confiscated and they had no contact with the outside world, something that could help explain why Israel was blindsided. On Oct. 7, several hours before launching the operation, this person said, Hamas commanders informed the attackers that they would be invading Israel on speedboats, on paragliders and over land by breaking through the barbed wire fence along the territory’s border using tractors. This account of how the attack was carried out could not be independently verified. In retrospect, some warning signs that Israel missed may now be more apparent. In September, Israeli intelligence officials told The New York Times that they had intelligence suggesting Mr. Khamenei, Iran’s supreme leader, had ordered a wide campaign against Israel including targeting its citizens abroad, conducting sabotage inside its borders, and smuggling sophisticated weapons to the Palestinians to ignite a civil war in the West Bank. That was in retaliation for shadow war operations conducted by Israel in Iran, they said. It was not the only talk of broad action. In various meetings of Iran’s proxy militias, several attendees said, the emphasis from leaders was that it was time to take advantage of Israel’s seething internal divisions over the judicial overhaul pushed by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s far-right coalition. In the meeting Mr. Nasrallah held in March, he told militants to prepare for a war on a scale that would mark a turning point in the decades-long Arab-Israeli conflict (though it is unclear whether he had last week’s attack in mind). Similarly, in audio reviewed by The Times of an April discussion among members of the Revolutionary Guards, including those involved with proxies in the region, a speaker said, “The message that is being communicated from Iran these days to the resistance is that we showcase a military maneuver to make the Zionist regime understand it is surrounded from every side.” Even before the Hamas attack, some Israeli intelligence officials said that in hindsight, they regretted their support for Israeli targeted killings in Iran and operations to sabotage its nuclear and military facilities, because they had not been a significant deterrent to either Iran’s nuclear program or its regional activities. In fact, they had put Iran and Israel on a path of direct confrontation, one of the officials said. On Oct. 3, four days before Hamas launched its attack on southern Israel, Mr. Khamenei’s official account in Farsi posted a message on X, formerly known as Twitter, that said: “Israel will be gone.” The planners of the terror attack on Israel most certainly knew that it carried the risk of igniting a wider regional war. But the parties have long wanted to avenge an accumulation of grievances — from Israeli airstrikes on Gaza and Syria, to the long blockade of Gaza, to the covert war against Iran — amid a long-held collective determination to destroy Israel. They may also have hoped to force Israel into major concessions, like lifting the blockade or keeping Israeli forces from entering the Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem’s Old City — one of Islam’s holiest sites. Hamas named its operation against Israel “The Aqsa Flood.” Hwaida Saad contributed reporting from Beirut. Farnaz Fassihi is a reporter for The New York Times based in New York. Previously she was a senior writer and war correspondent for the Wall Street Journal for 17 years based in the Middle East. More about Farnaz Fassihi Ronen Bergman is a staff writer for The New York Times Magazine, based in Tel Aviv. His latest book is “Rise and Kill First: The Secret History of Israel’s Targeted Assassinations,” published by Random House. More about Ronen Bergman Very interesting. How did they move all those terrorists out of and back into Gaza? Was the Egyptians' warning based on them noticing all these Hamas transiting through Egypt? |
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Originally Posted By Zhukov: China has no interest in this fight. If anything, I would say Russia instead of China, as Russia has been tight with Kim Jong-Un procuring arms shipments for their continuing war in Ukraine. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By Tallahasseezz: North Korean weapons, that lines up well with this being a Chinese/Iran backed operation. China has no interest in this fight. If anything, I would say Russia instead of China, as Russia has been tight with Kim Jong-Un procuring arms shipments for their continuing war in Ukraine. |
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Originally Posted By Halberdier: The border region of Texas is all desert. https://www.justice.gov/archive/ndic/pubs22/22796/images/fig2.jpg View Quote lol You know how I know you’ve never been there? And South Texas and West Texas are different regions. ETA: And nice shift away from “South Texas” to “ border region”. |
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Originally Posted By CouchCommando22: Yup. There is an outcry when Israel defends itself. They just gloss over the fact that less than a week ago 1300 were killed in the most brutal ways possible. It is pathetic how anti-Semitic the world is. Our media is just as bad View Quote I don’t get it. I thought the Jews controlled the media. |
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Originally Posted By HIPPO: reported ~30 mins ago View Quote Attriting their ABMs. |
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Originally Posted By Miami_JBT: Originally Posted By RayFromJersey: Originally Posted By Cpt_Kirks: Not as many lights as earlier in the week. What's in that one lit up area? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61458/Image2_jpg-2988765.JPG As a student of history, it is clearly a baby milk factory. |
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Originally Posted By Cpt_Kirks: Thermal equipped, I'm sure. Sounds like a WWII movie. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Cpt_Kirks: Originally Posted By K5FAL: What’s up with the buzzing propeller sounds? Drones for spotting artillery strikes? Thermal equipped, I'm sure. Sounds like a WWII movie. It needs loudspeakers. So they can play music very loud. It kinda calms us down. |
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver: Most I've talked with here at home including some Democrats take Bibi at his word this time that Hamas will be wiped from Gaza. If I were Israel there would be no fucks given about the rest of the world opinion. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By tnriverluver: Originally Posted By AZNetEng: What we are already seeing and what will ramp up considerably now is the MSM showing footage of the poor Palestinians in Gaza suffering at the hands of the Jews. Gone completely from the news will be the terror wreaked upon the Jewish civilians last Saturday. This is the playbook, and has been for quite some time. Israel needs to ignore world opinion and do what is right for their people and their security. While we may all have an opinion on what that is, the only one that truly counts now is Israel's. It should be clear to anyone watching over the past week that the coexistence between the Palestinians and Jews is simply not possible. What I think is unfortunate now is they do have some common ground. They both want the other wiped out. That is an opinion of course but based on the 28 Israelis I've talked to this week. 4 of those families lost 2 generations at the hands of the Palestinians last weekend. As to the simpleton fucksticks that vocally support Hamas... you're a fucking terrorist too. I appreciate you identifying yourself so that you get treated accordingly. Most I've talked with here at home including some Democrats take Bibi at his word this time that Hamas will be wiped from Gaza. If I were Israel there would be no fucks given about the rest of the world opinion. We will see what happens this time. |
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Significant Clashes between Israeli Defense Forces, Armed-Israeli Citizens, and Palestinian Rioters are currently taking place across the West Bank near the Border with Jordan with at least 7 Palestinians said to have been Killed so far; Elements of Hamas are claimed to have also Joined the Fighting within the last few hours.
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Originally Posted By Zhukov: Apparently, very few people knew about it based on the all the reported intelligence failures - including our own. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By AZNetEng: While I agree in principal with this, I don't think there is anything going on that China didn't know and approve of. Apparently, very few people knew about it based on the all the reported intelligence failures - including our own. That is par for the course. |
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China delenda est
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