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Posted: 10/18/2023 3:21:11 AM EDT
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/18/2023 3:22:31 AM EDT
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Video of the immediate aftermath at this link. It's basically a parking lot fire.
https://abualiexpress.com/en/and-now-again-for-the-video-of-the-hospital-square-from-the-first-hour-of-the-event/ Video from this morning, including inside the hospital. No damage to the building at all. https://abualiexpress.com/en/here-is-a-video-recording-from-this-morning-at-al-ahli-hospital-for-the-benefit-of-all-forensic-researchers-among-you/ |
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Posted: 10/18/2023 3:24:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Brok3n:
Video walkthrough Wow. What would cause such a huge fireball and not leave a crater? |
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Posted: 10/18/2023 3:29:16 AM EDT
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And the yoke of outrage over these deaths will not be transferred to those actually of guilt.
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NZL
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Posted: 10/18/2023 3:29:44 AM EDT
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Consensus seems to be forming. Not an IDF air strike. Not 500 casualties. Is a anyone else completely unsurprised? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/18/2023 3:30:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eroic: Wow. What would cause such a huge fireball and not leave a crater? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eroic: Originally Posted By Brok3n:
Video walkthrough Wow. What would cause such a huge fireball and not leave a crater? Unburnt rocket fuel. |
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NZL
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Posted: 10/18/2023 4:01:21 AM EDT
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Another view of the jihadi rocket fail. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 10/18/2023 4:05:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Furloaf: Doesn't matter. The headlines got out. Exactly like when the cops shoot a totally guilty person in a shootout here and cousin Pooky from the hood goes on the local news and says the cops shot him in the back and then executed him. Once the toothpaste gets out of the tube, you can't put it back in, especially after the Lawyer Crump comes to town. It takes on a life of it's own, and the media are the enemies of an orderly society and world. |
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USA
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Posted: 10/18/2023 4:45:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pool_shark: So just so we are clear, I am to believe a pipe rocket that did this amount of damage with a direct hit.... fell short and blew up the hospital? https://i.ibb.co/Yy9S0LP/F8p6i0-BXo-AYUBRD.jpg You can get any casualty figure you want if you pre-place a lot of already dead people at the site before the event. |
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Posted: 10/18/2023 4:48:44 AM EDT
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Bumbling senile old fool.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/18/2023 4:52:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: tsg68]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Furloaf: Doesn't matter. The headlines got out. Like when Democrats indict a Republican…doesn’t matter if he’s innocent. |
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Posted: 10/18/2023 5:06:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mars87: Never would’ve guessed in a million years Hamas lied. Worst customers to deal with as a car salesman. commercially or privately. They are lying thieving fucks, every single one of them, right down to the core. |
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USA
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Posted: 10/18/2023 5:07:48 AM EDT
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can you imagine being the president of a country, like Israel, Jordan, Germany, France, UK, etc, and sitting down at the table with JoePedo Biden to begin discussions, and find out you're talking to a dementia-ridden vegetable.
pathetic, and this is hidden from view. handshakes and photo-ops. |
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Posted: 10/18/2023 5:25:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker:
Consensus seems to be forming. Not an IDF air strike. Not 500 casualties. Is a anyone else completely unsurprised? lol there was no way 500 people were killed. i doubt even 50 were.. It was a hamas rocket that did it and the friggin world needs to stop the bitching now. ffs |
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Posted: 10/18/2023 5:25:31 AM EDT
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The epitome of an empty suit.
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Posted: 10/18/2023 5:31:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: The epitome of an empty suit. EVEN IF Israel did this intentionally or accidentally, none of this would have happened but for Hamas. No matter what happens, Hamas is to blame for hiding behind babies. The Arabs are such cowards. |
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USA
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Posted: 10/18/2023 5:32:08 AM EDT
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Worked on his corn pop was a bad dude speech the whole flight over there.
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Posted: 10/18/2023 5:32:31 AM EDT
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Just saw Joe sitting down with Bibib.
You can barely hear him talk. All this traveling is beating Joe down. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 10/18/2023 5:33:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Moyockgunner]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: I'm no explosion expert but that doesn't look like it would have killed 500 people. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Originally Posted By Brok3n:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/65378/joidjgefg-2995895.jpg "500 dead" riiiight. I'm no explosion expert but that doesn't look like it would have killed 500 people. https://abualiexpress.com/en/the-gaza-news-agency-shahab-which-is-affiliated-with-hamas-publishes-a-photo-of-the-photographer-muhammad-al-masri-from-the-courtyard-of-al-mamadani-hospital-this-morning-you-can-see-the-solar-pane/ On top of that... All the b footage I saw of Palis attending to the wounded showed without be exception people who were for the most part clean, not very wounded. Looked like they were being treated at the hospital that was bombed. None were covered in smoke, soot or dust which would have been indicative of a large building strike. Several shots looked like the parking lot of the hospital pre " strike" prior footage? Agiprop? BDA and photos of explosion as it took place appeared to be be a larger lower order explosion like a failed missile striking the ground with its fuse failing and the explosion was balance of solid rocket motor propellant and payload burning rapidly but not on a higher order explosive level. I saw no white flash, no concussive shock that would leave me to believe a larger probably precision munition (which IAF would have used) that missed the hospital and struck the parking lot. Look at after pics, the terrazo roof over the hospital entrance is still largely intact. Most of the damage looks like fire vs high order detonation. Just my 2 cents. |
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Posted: 10/18/2023 5:33:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MKSheppard: https://twitter.com/yousuf_tw/status/1714367757968384106 It's looking from this video that the IDF fucked up when setting up their Iron Dome engagement zones in the system software -- if they had correctly entered a PROTECTED AREA/DENIED AREA into the software with the hospital, the battery would have waited to engage the missile until it was at a point where missile debris wouldn't fall onto the hospital. Whoops. This is utter BS. |
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Posted: 10/18/2023 5:34:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TripleC: Just saw Joe sitting down with Bibib. You can barely hear him talk. All this traveling is beating Joe down. |
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Posted: 10/18/2023 5:38:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bloviator: This is utter BS. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bloviator: Originally Posted By MKSheppard: https://twitter.com/yousuf_tw/status/1714367757968384106 It's looking from this video that the IDF fucked up when setting up their Iron Dome engagement zones in the system software -- if they had correctly entered a PROTECTED AREA/DENIED AREA into the software with the hospital, the battery would have waited to engage the missile until it was at a point where missile debris wouldn't fall onto the hospital. Whoops. This is utter BS. He should log out and not log back in. Won't be missed. |
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Posted: 10/18/2023 5:40:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SilverBearX: He should log out and not log back in. Won't be missed. Going the mile to cover up, just to eat crow. |
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Posted: 10/18/2023 5:47:32 AM EDT
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Seems like this thread slowed way down.
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NY, USA
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Posted: 10/18/2023 6:10:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wyomingnick: That honestly could have been a big motivation for the Hamas attack. That peace deal between Israel and Saudi Arabia is likely off and Iran benefits greatly. Not to mention that the current dementia-ridden administration sends to have a stiffy for cuddling up next to Iran. |
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Posted: 10/18/2023 6:11:06 AM EDT
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"How dare you shoot down our rocket and it falls down on our city killing our kids! This is your fault!"
Seem about right here? |
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Posted: 10/18/2023 6:13:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By azerious58: "How dare you shoot down our rocket and it falls down on our city killing our kids! This is your fault!" Seem about right here? It wasn't shot down though. It failed and landed in a parking lot and killed a few people. And that's about it. 
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Posted: 10/18/2023 6:17:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: Worst customers to deal with as a car salesman. commercially or privately. They are lying thieving fucks, every single one of them, right down to the core. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: Originally Posted By Mars87: Never would’ve guessed in a million years Hamas lied. Worst customers to deal with as a car salesman. commercially or privately. They are lying thieving fucks, every single one of them, right down to the core. How many cars have you sold to Hamas? 
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Posted: 10/18/2023 6:20:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 49north: America does not need another war. Wish it was that easy kid |
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Posted: 10/18/2023 6:29:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bloviator: This is utter BS. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bloviator: Originally Posted By MKSheppard: https://twitter.com/yousuf_tw/status/1714367757968384106 It's looking from this video that the IDF fucked up when setting up their Iron Dome engagement zones in the system software -- if they had correctly entered a PROTECTED AREA/DENIED AREA into the software with the hospital, the battery would have waited to engage the missile until it was at a point where missile debris wouldn't fall onto the hospital. Whoops. This is utter BS. yep its BS as iron dome does not intercept over gaza..lol . This guy has been trying to make shit up to bash Israel every chance he gets. |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 10/18/2023 6:39:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: Going the mile to cover up, just to eat crow. LMAO, accusing me of of being an operative for the Palestinians. Now that dawn has broken and we've got better footage, Option A (Failed PIJ missile) is what clearly happened. But with what we had last night (vague video), Option B (Intercept, falling fragments) was a possibility. |
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Posted: 10/18/2023 6:41:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker:
Consensus seems to be forming. Not an IDF air strike. Not 500 casualties. Is a anyone else completely unsurprised? The lie served its purpose. Someone didn't want those peace talks to happen. |
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Posted: 10/18/2023 6:42:08 AM EDT
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But will the MSM come back and correct all the emotional reporting they did last night about how evil Israel killed all those innocent people in a hospital?
 
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Posted: 10/18/2023 6:43:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlabamaFan64: Absolutely. This person was so concerned about killing babies staying legal that one more dead child wasn’t an issue. Yes, the evil agenda of the leftist cares not about children of any age....obviously. They will lie and kill anyone and everyone to accomplish their goal. It is absurd to think that placating the left by going along with their Molech agenda, will buy more votes for Trump or anyone else. |
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Posted: 10/18/2023 6:51:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CletusRoundbelly: Exactly like when the cops shoot a totally guilty person in a shootout here and cousin Pooky from the hood goes on the local news and says the cops shot him in the back and then executed him. Once the toothpaste gets out of the tube, you can't put it back in, especially after the Lawyer Crump comes to town. It takes on a life of it's own, and the media are the enemies of an orderly society and world. Exactly. When dealing with hate-filled ignorant assholes, it's all just waiting on any excuse. |
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Posted: 10/18/2023 6:52:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MKSheppard: LMAO, accusing me of of being an operative for the Palestinians. Now that dawn has broken and we've got better footage, Option A (Failed PIJ missile) is what clearly happened. But with what we had last night (vague video), Option B (Intercept, falling fragments) was a possibility. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MKSheppard: Originally Posted By Dagger41: Going the mile to cover up, just to eat crow. LMAO, accusing me of of being an operative for the Palestinians. Now that dawn has broken and we've got better footage, Option A (Failed PIJ missile) is what clearly happened. But with what we had last night (vague video), Option B (Intercept, falling fragments) was a possibility. Option B could have never happened as iron dome doesnt intercept rockets over gaza.. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/18/2023 6:52:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: SAE]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker:
Consensus seems to be forming. Not an IDF air strike. Not 500 casualties. Is a anyone else completely unsurprised? Who would believe virtually anything an organization says who butchers the elderly, women, small children, the infirmed, and babies? Oh, and kidnaps woman and then rapes and slowly tortures them to death? Going to be a tough sell if you ask me. Actions have consequences some say. According to a mindset that does what is terribly wrong and proclaims that it is the work of God and is absolutely right. Or whatever seems convenient to them at the time. It all gets so tiresome as well. They deserve to be raked over the coals everyday until they are done. Talking and negotiations will only embolden the career criminal to do worse. |
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Posted: 10/18/2023 6:53:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ascendent: EVEN IF Israel did this intentionally or accidentally, none of this would have happened but for Hamas. No matter what happens, Hamas is to blame for hiding behind babies. The Arabs are such cowards. Probably the only way to hit actual hamas assholes now is in hospitals and maybe AP news headquarters... |
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Posted: 10/18/2023 6:55:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bloviator: This is utter BS. Shooting down hamas rockets inside gaza seems ideal to me. Why wait until they are "safely" over Israeli schools and playgrounds? |
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Posted: 10/18/2023 6:57:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By racer765: riiiiight. if the ENTIRE TURKISH NAVY (well, the stuff with guns) showed up and started a fight, they MIGHT give one csg a hard morning. No doubt we can put their entire navy on the sea floor, but it's interference. Complicates things for us, which I'd suspect is the point |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 10/18/2023 6:57:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: yep its BS as iron dome does not intercept over gaza..lol . Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: yep its BS as iron dome does not intercept over gaza..lol . LMAO. Iron Dome has been around since 2011. The Tamir interceptor has been successively improved, etc. Back in 2008, there was criticism that Iron Dome wouldn't be able to defend Sderot from Gaza, as the flight distance from rockets in Gaza to Sderot was only 840 metres. The IDF insisted at the time that with "improvements" to Iron Dome, it would be able to counter short range missiles. How do you do that unless you "lean forward" and engage the target as far forward of the defended zone as you can? This guy has been trying to make shit up to bash Israel every chance he gets. I don't need to make shit up; the IDF has been known to be lax in the past in operational procedures. The LIBERTY attack was because they were sloppy in setting up a tactical plot and transferring over information between watches; while the HANIT attack in 2006 was because of incompetence -- an officer ordered that the HANIT's ECM and SAM system be turned off an hour prior to the Hizbollah anti-ship missile attack...and didn't tell the captain this. |
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Posted: 10/18/2023 6:58:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: It wasn't shot down though. It failed and landed in a parking lot and killed a few people. And that's about it. Agree 100%. Iron dome is not a lazer beam that instantly kills a rocket. Also, it has to discern if the rocket is heading into populated areas (in Israel) or just flying out to sea or the empty desert. They put the Iron Dome launchers outside Israeli cities not outside Gaza. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/18/2023 6:58:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: SAE]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Option B could have never happened as iron dome doesnt intercept rockets over gaza.. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By MKSheppard: Originally Posted By Dagger41: Going the mile to cover up, just to eat crow. LMAO, accusing me of of being an operative for the Palestinians. Now that dawn has broken and we've got better footage, Option A (Failed PIJ missile) is what clearly happened. But with what we had last night (vague video), Option B (Intercept, falling fragments) was a possibility. Option B could have never happened as iron dome doesnt intercept rockets over gaza.. My first thought as well when they heard Al-jazzera chick say that, "I saw it with my own eyes."
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Posted: 10/18/2023 7:00:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AROKIE]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MKSheppard: LMAO. Iron Dome has been around since 2011. The Tamir interceptor has been successively improved, etc. Back in 2008, there was criticism that Iron Dome wouldn't be able to defend Sderot from Gaza, as the flight distance from rockets in Gaza to Sderot was only 840 metres. The IDF insisted at the time that with "improvements" to Iron Dome, it would be able to counter short range missiles. How do you do that unless you "lean forward" and engage the target as far forward of the defended zone as you can? I don't need to make shit up; the IDF has been known to be lax in the past in operational procedures. The LIBERTY attack was because they were sloppy in setting up a tactical plot and transferring over information between watches; while the HANIT attack in 2006 was because of incompetence -- an officer ordered that the HANIT's ECM and SAM system be turned off an hour prior to the Hizbollah anti-ship missile attack...and didn't tell the captain this. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MKSheppard: Originally Posted By AROKIE: yep its BS as iron dome does not intercept over gaza..lol . LMAO. Iron Dome has been around since 2011. The Tamir interceptor has been successively improved, etc. Back in 2008, there was criticism that Iron Dome wouldn't be able to defend Sderot from Gaza, as the flight distance from rockets in Gaza to Sderot was only 840 metres. The IDF insisted at the time that with "improvements" to Iron Dome, it would be able to counter short range missiles. How do you do that unless you "lean forward" and engage the target as far forward of the defended zone as you can? This guy has been trying to make shit up to bash Israel every chance he gets. I don't need to make shit up; the IDF has been known to be lax in the past in operational procedures. The LIBERTY attack was because they were sloppy in setting up a tactical plot and transferring over information between watches; while the HANIT attack in 2006 was because of incompetence -- an officer ordered that the HANIT's ECM and SAM system be turned off an hour prior to the Hizbollah anti-ship missile attack...and didn't tell the captain this. does not intercept over gaza.. not sure why thats hard for you, but ok keep making up "theories" "whoops" |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 10/18/2023 7:01:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Shooting down hamas rockets inside gaza seems ideal to me. Why wait until they are "safely" over Israeli schools and playgrounds?  Attached FileMore to the point, what if they have cluster munitions or chemicals/bio in their warhead? Congrats, that stuff is still coming down on Israel. Shooting it down as far forward of your defended zone as you can is clearly the optimal solution. |
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Posted: 10/18/2023 7:02:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By J-Dam: So did the truth. Is Steve gone? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By J-Dam: Originally Posted By Furloaf: Doesn't matter. The headlines got out. So did the truth. Is Steve gone? Unfortunately, the muzzies are already out in force, burning embassies, attacking jewish business and people all over. They will not care for the retraction... |
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Posted: 10/18/2023 7:06:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MKSheppard: LMAO, accusing me of of being an operative for the Palestinians. Now that dawn has broken and we've got better footage, Option A (Failed PIJ missile) is what clearly happened. But with what we had last night (vague video), Option B (Intercept, falling fragments) was a possibility. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MKSheppard: Originally Posted By Dagger41: Going the mile to cover up, just to eat crow. LMAO, accusing me of of being an operative for the Palestinians. Now that dawn has broken and we've got better footage, Option A (Failed PIJ missile) is what clearly happened. But with what we had last night (vague video), Option B (Intercept, falling fragments) was a possibility. This isn’t a let’s discuss the possibilities post. This is definitely an accusatory post. Here..let me remind you. Originally Posted By MKSheppard: https://twitter.com/yousuf_tw/status/1714367757968384106 “It's looking from this video that the IDF fucked up when setting up their Iron Dome engagement zones in the system software -- if they had correctly entered a PROTECTED AREA/DENIED AREA into the software with the hospital, the battery would have waited to engage the missile until it was at a point where missile debris wouldn't fall onto the hospital. Whoops.” |
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Posted: 10/18/2023 7:09:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: does not intercept over gaza.. not sure why thats hard for you, but ok keep making up "theories" Prove that Iron Dome does not intercept over Gaza, especially since the distances from defended cities in Israel (Sderot) to Gaza launch sites are only 850 meters and the minimum public range of Iron Dome's Tamir interceptor is 5 km, enabling intercepts over Gaza. The equations of Missile Defense are that the earlier you intercept the inbound missile, the greater the defended area each ABM site can defend -- and thus the cheaper to run your ABM system. |
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Posted: 10/18/2023 7:09:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: guns762]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MKSheppard: LMAO. Iron Dome has been around since 2011. The Tamir interceptor has been successively improved, etc. Back in 2008, there was criticism that Iron Dome wouldn't be able to defend Sderot from Gaza, as the flight distance from rockets in Gaza to Sderot was only 840 metres. The IDF insisted at the time that with "improvements" to Iron Dome, it would be able to counter short range missiles. How do you do that unless you "lean forward" and engage the target as far forward of the defended zone as you can? I don't need to make shit up; the IDF has been known to be lax in the past in operational procedures. The LIBERTY attack was because they were sloppy in setting up a tactical plot and transferring over information between watches; while the HANIT attack in 2006 was because of incompetence -- an officer ordered that the HANIT's ECM and SAM system be turned off an hour prior to the Hizbollah anti-ship missile attack...and didn't tell the captain this. [Deleted]. Go start your own thread... This was a failed missile. Unless you have direct evidence other wise(and that video is not it) It's made by a shitole and operated by shitheads. Eta Iron Dome rockets have a visible burn. I saw 0 evidence of that in your so called evidence. So now what Mr expert? |
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Posted: 10/18/2023 7:10:52 AM EDT
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I don’t recall the last time I:
1) Saw an intercept during a rocket’s ascent and 2) Saw an intercept without seeing the launch and subsequent trajectory of the interceptor. So empirically, that theory didn’t hold much water, IMO. The rocket failure was always the strongest theory. |
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