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Link Posted: 11/1/2023 1:36:01 AM EDT
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was kind of wondering when the ATGMs were going to show up.

makes the smoke screens even more important.

ETA: and POTATUS insists on Hamas resupply.  fucking George Soros puppet.
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 1:44:50 AM EDT
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Really bombing the shit out of something.
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 2:51:19 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By _DR:



Gendarmerie Nationale, not military. (national police).

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Originally Posted By Drakich:


When did the French adopt the G36?



Gendarmerie Nationale, not military. (national police).



While gendarmeries are primarily tasked with civilian law enforcement, unlike our police they are, in fact, military. They are not armed and equipped the same as the regular army, though.
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 2:53:39 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Tango:
Really bombing the shit out of something.
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Curious, why do they fire flares in daytime?
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 2:57:37 AM EDT
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Pretty sure its smoke flares to obscure wire guided missile attacks.
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 3:09:33 AM EDT
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In service yes but the US doesn’t have any.
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 4:41:15 AM EDT
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right click save!
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 4:56:02 AM EDT
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Curious, why do they fire flares in daytime?
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Imagine you are running through a maze toward a target. You don't have time to check your map and compass. Wouldn't it be nice to have a someone putting a signal in the sky over the target?

Link Posted: 11/1/2023 5:12:56 AM EDT
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Whole lotta smoke seemimgly in the middle of nowhere.
LIVE: View over Israel-Gaza border as ground offensive continues

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Link Posted: 11/1/2023 5:18:27 AM EDT
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Article pretty much sums up the RHINOs in the Senate without calling them that.  
Spend, spend, spend with no cuts.
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 5:24:53 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Tango:
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They don't seem to be smoking. Someone suggested they might be countermeasures from overhead fighters. Dunno.

They keep falling in the live stream during bright daylight.
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 5:34:50 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 11/1/2023 7:12:11 AM EDT
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I suspect there are some countries that have diplomatic ties, either official or non-official, with Hamas. Have there been any headlines where a country has severed them? I suspect no and if called out on it the reply would be “we want to be able to work towards a solution “.  Hard to find a solution if you won’t have any relations with Israel. I don’t remember the world being this FUBAR’d when I was a kid
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 7:21:53 AM EDT
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Lot of booms and automatic fire on this feed currently.

LIVE: View over Israel-Gaza border as ground offensive continues
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 7:23:21 AM EDT
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?? WATCH NOW: ISRAEL'S WAR AGAINST HAMAS - DAY 26
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 7:26:41 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver:
Lot of booms and automatic fire on this feed currently.

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Sounds like everybody is at chow.
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 7:39:16 AM EDT
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The UN human rights commission is populated by some of the world’s worst offenders of human rights, it attracts them like moths to flame.
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 7:40:25 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Ascendent:

Regardless of how hard they work, they are short circuiting the immigration process and are criminals.
Most have no intention of returning. If they are willing to bypass our laws and disregard our borders in this, what is next? Failing to follow the process shows they aren’t interested in assimilating. And the Americans that hire them are cut from the same cloth. Money and greed before country.
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Originally Posted By MikeSSS:
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Just ignore the fact they are freeloading criminals with a smattering of socialism mixed in to boot


Here, 150 miles north of the border, the Mexicans we see are mostly very hard working people.

Regardless of how hard they work, they are short circuiting the immigration process and are criminals.
Most have no intention of returning. If they are willing to bypass our laws and disregard our borders in this, what is next? Failing to follow the process shows they aren’t interested in assimilating. And the Americans that hire them are cut from the same cloth. Money and greed before country.



+1000


Link Posted: 11/1/2023 7:43:58 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 11/1/2023 7:46:54 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad:
There are UN schools in Palestine, they hire Palestinian teachers who teach the kids to hate Israelis.
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Originally Posted By AlabamaFan64:

Israel would need the UN to set up schools in Palestinian areas to not only educate the children but to deprogram them like post WW2 Germany and Japan.  Unfortunately the UN isn't interested in stopping the problem and the Israelis wouldn't be allowed to do it.  If the US government was truly committed to peace in that area, they would pressure the UN and the surrounding Muslim countries that have insisted on taking no Palestinian refugees to force this.
There are UN schools in Palestine, they hire Palestinian teachers who teach the kids to hate Israelis.



Uncanny similarity with the US' school system and how it deals with traditional moral values.

Universities' masks dropped big time with the Hamas attack on Israel.


Link Posted: 11/1/2023 7:47:58 AM EDT
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Secondary border cam.

ETA: Not live anymore.

??????????·????(11?1?) ?????????"?????" ???????? ??????????LIVE: Gaza?(2023?11?1?)

Link Posted: 11/1/2023 7:50:36 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By SIMJEDI:
Secondary border cam.

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Is that Chinese or Japanese?  Anyone know?
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 7:51:16 AM EDT
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Japanese channel.
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 7:57:17 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By GarandM1:
One of the silver linings of this war has been the leftist reaction to Israel, which has graphically demonstrated to normie Americans the depth and breadth of the cultural and intellectual rot at their institutions of "higher education".  Whether or not they do something about it is another st- Oh, look! The football team is in the Top 25!  GO STATE!

Smart Republicans would use this opportunity to introduce bills defunding all DEI and Queer Studies programs at their universities, but then that assumes the first part of the sentence is true.
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According to her now deleted bio on
@stonybrooku
website:

"Callen Zimmerman explores intricacies of material culture and queer experience, as fashion freak, educator and maker.

They teach Fashion Studies & Art History at City Tech + York College, and are always working on the intersections of radical pedagogy and artistic practices.

Having recently graduated from the CUNY Graduate Center's Liberal Studies MA program, are currently in their first year in the PhD program at Stony Brook's  Women's, Gender and Sexuality Studies program.

Here, Callen will continue to explore the dressed body as a technology of power, through a multitude of creative means, looking at and the ways that queers have used self styling to convey desire, build affinity and signal safety."


One of the silver linings of this war has been the leftist reaction to Israel, which has graphically demonstrated to normie Americans the depth and breadth of the cultural and intellectual rot at their institutions of "higher education".  Whether or not they do something about it is another st- Oh, look! The football team is in the Top 25!  GO STATE!

Smart Republicans would use this opportunity to introduce bills defunding all DEI and Queer Studies programs at their universities, but then that assumes the first part of the sentence is true.


What Hamas did in Israel was just the icing on the cake of what democrats and the scum they work for are all about.

Anyone who hasn't waken up and seen this will never wake up either because they below-50 IQ does not allow it or because they are intentionally part of it.  What democrats stand for is not natural human behavior.


Link Posted: 11/1/2023 7:59:36 AM EDT
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?? EN DIRECTO | Primeros evacuados de GAZA mientras continúan los combates entre ISRAEL y HAMÁS
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 8:03:33 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By PolarBear416:


They don't seem to be smoking. Someone suggested they might be countermeasures from overhead fighters. Dunno.

They keep falling in the live stream during bright daylight.
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Originally Posted By PolarBear416:
Originally Posted By Tango:
Pretty sure its smoke flares to obscure wire guided missile attacks.


They don't seem to be smoking. Someone suggested they might be countermeasures from overhead fighters. Dunno.

They keep falling in the live stream during bright daylight.



Can’t find where in the vid of what  you guys are talking about.

There is IR smoke. Usually it’s mix in with visible smoke but theirs is smoke grenades for defeating FLIR. Basically looks like metal flakes in the air.
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 8:06:45 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:
Here's what is said on Russian TV about antisemitism (something they would know something about):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUIp0pmxckE

Summary: antisemitism is bad, but it's a cultural norm for a whole lot of the world.
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Well... this is not new.  Ukrainian Nazis are good, blm and antifa do peaceful demonstrations, Jan 6 participants are dangerous insurrectionists, and the list goes on, on the tracks of 1984's Ministry of Truth.


Link Posted: 11/1/2023 8:14:46 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By xd341:


Yes because the Jewish state should practice eugenics on its enemies?  Bibi is right to be angry, but "kill'em all" is never going to be a viable path for any legitimate government.

There's a certain amount of FAFO going on, maybe even some "shit happens"  thats urban warfare to a certain extent. In order for Israel to stay righteous they can't stoop to the level of hamas.
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Unfortunately this is a clue that all the talk of eliminating Hamas is just bellicose rhetoric.

They have ten men bound and gagged.

My oh my, how will we ever eliminate hamas?


What the fuck does that video say about anything at all?


Where do I sign up for your newsletter?
You don't eliminate an enemy by taking them prisoner. Ancient people knew how to fight wars, the West thinks there's some pussy way to do it and still win.
Those men will be free one day, back to fighting

Those guys could very well provide some useful intelligence regarding their higher ups, who actually matter. You actually do want to talk to some people, in spite of how cool the "kill them all" rhetoric sounds to the Curtis LeMay enthusiasts.



They should be humane to them like veterinary volunteers are humane to the feral cat communities. Give them all a "snip" before the inevitable 3000 to 1 prisoner exchange. It will reduce the birth rate of the next generation of terrorists.



Yes because the Jewish state should practice eugenics on its enemies?  Bibi is right to be angry, but "kill'em all" is never going to be a viable path for any legitimate government.

There's a certain amount of FAFO going on, maybe even some "shit happens"  thats urban warfare to a certain extent. In order for Israel to stay righteous they can't stoop to the level of hamas.



Some things already left the human realm.  Dealing with them using "humanity" is like trying to reason with cockroaches and other varmint that invade a house or letting cancer cells be because they are part of ones body that "went astray".   Can anyone reason with the unreasonable whose only life's purpose is destroying that one?  





Link Posted: 11/1/2023 8:26:30 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By xd341:
Yeah that's fine. You have to stop short of targeting people that haven't taken terrorist actions against Israel.  I'm not saying Israel shouldn't get a little old testament, I'm just saying they can't do what Bibi suggested in his press conference and go after the entire society.
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Hamas are war criminals, and don't have the protections afforded to legitimate soldiers.  Israel would be within its rights to hang all of them after giving them a trial.  It would be wise to spare those that drop the dime on other members though.
Yeah that's fine. You have to stop short of targeting people that haven't taken terrorist actions against Israel.  I'm not saying Israel shouldn't get a little old testament, I'm just saying they can't do what Bibi suggested in his press conference and go after the entire society.



While I agree that not all Palestinians are fanatical nuts, the ones who are not either already left that place or are beyond salvation, like the ones here in the US that still support democrats and their policies.  

We deal with that the same way we dealt with firebombing Dresden and Tokyo, and Hiroshima and Nagasaki.  There's a point where still talking is a waste of time.


Link Posted: 11/1/2023 8:31:13 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Rossi:



Some things already left the human realm.  Dealing with them using "humanity" is like trying to reason with cockroaches and other varmint that invade a house or letting cancer cells be because they are part of ones body that "went astray".   Can anyone reason with the unreasonable whose only life's purpose is destroying that one?  





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The humanity of hamas is not in debate. They have none.  The humanity that needs to preserved is that of Israel.  The easiest thing in the world is to take the righteous anger of Israel and use it to raze Gaza and all that live there.  They have the ability and the motive.  There is even a practical security justification that is impossible to argue against.

In order for Israel to have a secure future they can't just wipe Gaza off the map.  They can target Hamas, they can inflict some collateral damage in pursuit of that end, but they can't go all hand of God on Gaza.  The entire world will end up worse off if they do.

The Arab countries that are nominal allies at this point will not survive if Israel expels Palestinians from Gaza, the citizens of those countries will rise up against thier government, likely with the help of Iran.   Plunging the world into at least a regional war, if not something bigger.

The world is a tinder box right now, more so than at any time since the cold war and there are already several little fires smoldering.

Israel needs to take the high road, not because Hamas deserves it, but because the global stakes are higher than they have been since '76.  Israel has the ability to reverse a generation of progress if they get this wrong.
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 8:36:09 AM EDT
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The Match Lit in Yemen May Force Saudi Arabia and the U.S. to Take a Stance The Houthis’ launches of ballistic missiles and drones haven’t posed a direct strategic threat to Israel. But they could have consequences on other fronts, chief among them: normalization and the Saudi defense pact with the U.S.


The leader of Yemen’s Houthis, Abdul-Malek al-Houthi, delivered an incendiary speech on October 10, three days after the Hamas-Israel war began. He was dressed, as usual, in a gray suit and a white shirt with the collar open, just like former Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad used to wear during his public appearances. Instead of a tie, Al-Houthi wore an ornate Yemenite sword.

“We are continuously monitoring what is happening in Gaza, and we coordinate regularly with our brothers in the Axis of Resistance,” he said, referring to Hezbollah, Shi’ite militias in Iraq, Hamas and Islamic Jihad.

“God willing, we’ll be ready to participate in the context of this coordination, based on the different levels planned for it… We condemn and blame everything done by the countries that normalized relations with Israel – acts that harmed the Palestinian people with the goal of dismantling the unified Arab position.”

So far, the Houthis’ launches of ballistic missiles and drones – their contribution to the Axis of Resistance and a show of solidarity with Hamas – haven’t posed a direct strategic threat to Israel. But they could have consequences on other fronts, and no less so on diplomatic moves in the region.

The violent show of solidarity that Iran initiated to prove the existence of the “united front” has included Hezbollah’s controlled but escalating clashes with Israel, attacks by Shi’ite militias on American targets in Iraq and the sporadic missile and drone launches from Yemen. But the Houthis’ attacks are also meant to send a diplomatic message to Saudi Arabia, and through it, to Washington.

For the past year and a half, there has been a ceasefire in the war in Yemen that Saudi Arabia started in 2015. Under American pressure, intensive talks aimed at ending the conflict began this year between Riyadh and the Houthi government.

In September, a high-level Houthi delegation visited Riyadh for the first time, and the parties have already reached a draft agreement that includes massive Saudi aid to the Houthis and the reopening of the port of Hodeida, which has been blockaded since the war began.

But the war in the Gaza Strip and the Houthi threat create a serious dilemma for both Riyadh and Washington. In a violent clash between Houthi and Saudi forces that took place this week in the Jizan region, which is on the Saudi-Yemeni border, four Saudi soldiers were killed.

Saudi Arabia also intercepted five missiles fired at Israel when they crossed Saudi airspace. These events made it clear to Riyadh that not only might the peace talks collapse, but it may have to take an unequivocal position on the war in Gaza.

As Al-Houthi made clear, in his view, Israel isn’t the only legitimate target. So are the Arab states that have diplomatic relations with Israel and those, like Saudi Arabia, that are planning to normalize relations. And of course, America is also in the Houthis’ sights.

If Saudi Arabia is dragged back into war with the Houthis, this might well endanger its new relationship with Iran. But when the Houthis are justifying these attacks as part of the “united front” of the Axis of Resistance against Israel, Riyadh is forced to leave its comfort zone – in which it has so far made do with condemning Israel’s actions and demanding that it allow humanitarian aid – and position itself demonstratively beside America, and thereby implicitly beside Israel.

These dilemmas took center stage in the talks held by Saudi Defense Minister Khalid bin Salman, Crown Prince Mohammed’s brother, in Washington, where he landed on Monday for meetings with U.S. National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan.

Nor is this just a local Saudi concern. In a situation where the war in Gaza threatens to open additional fronts, the prevailing assumption is that the clashes in Lebanon could also develop into a full-fledged war.

U.S. President Joe Biden has already made it clear that if Hezbollah launches missiles at Israel, America won’t be part of the war. It is saving its heavy artillery for a situation in which Iran decides to actively join the fighting, in defiance of Washington’s warnings.

But the big surprise could come from a less predictable front, if the match lit by the Houthis requires Washington not only to intercept missiles aimed at Israel, but to use greater force in a theater where it has managed to avoid direct involvement ever since it stopped attacking Al-Qaida bases in Yemen.

More importantly, Washington might well decide to sign a defense pact with Saudi Arabia to show its commitment to defending the region against Iran’s satellites, without conditioning this on normalization between Riyadh and Jerusalem.

Like other substate organizations, including Hezbollah and the Shi’ite militias in Iraq, the Houthis also have strategic goals completely disconnected from the Arab-Israeli conflict or the Palestinian problem.

All three of these organizations serve Iran’s regional interests and are funded by it, and they maintain various levels of military coordination. But at the same time, they conduct independent policies aimed at ensuring their own status and their control over the countries in which they operate.

The Houthis began as a large tribe centered in the Saada region in northern Yemen. Most of its members belong to the Zaydi sect of Shi’ite Islam. Their war in Yemen was originally against the Yemeni government, and also against the Saudis, due to the friction along the border between Saudi Arabia and northern Yemen.

Thus, unlike Hezbollah or the militias in Iraq, the Houthis aren’t an Iranian “creation.” Only in 2012, when Yemen was already mired in its Arab Spring revolution, did Iran become interested in the Houthis as a potential vehicle for exerting influence over the country. A year after that, Tehran had already begun sending the Houthis arms.

When the Houthis began conquering parts of Yemen, the Iranians advised them not to capture the capital, Sanaa. But the Houthis had their own agenda. Capturing the Yemenite capital wasn’t just an act of seizing power; it also completed the settling of a historical account that began in the 1960s, when, with the help of Egyptian forces, the Yemenite king – a member of the Zaydi sect – was toppled and Yemen became a republic.

Even if the attacks from Yemen result in no far-reaching regional developments, they once again show the power of substate proxies to instigate geopolitical moves that go far beyond the radius of the local conflicts that normally nourish them.

The war in Gaza has already thrust America into the heart of our local conflict – not just to protect Israel, but to prevent a multi-country war. Yemen may well become the next focal point in the development of such a war.
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How dare he?  Is he rebelling against his masters?   Here in the US it will be "most peaceful protests."


Link Posted: 11/1/2023 8:44:17 AM EDT
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While I agree that not all Palestinians are fanatical nuts, the ones who are not either already left that place or are beyond salvation, like the ones here in the US that still support democrats and their policies.  

We deal with that the same way we dealt with firebombing Dresden and Tokyo, and Hiroshima and Nagasaki.  There's a point where still talking is a waste of time.


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The Palis have no place to go.  They are such bad actors in global affairs that no nation wants them.  They are full of Iranian influence, impossible to vet, have a history of insurgency and are the favored tool of the #1 global state sponsor of terror.  

It would be like donating your living body so cancer has a place to live.   That being said, the citizens of those Arab countries, Egypt, SA, the emirates, jordan..they have huge populations that are sympathetic to the Palestinians.

They also have reached relative peace with Israel, while not suffering popular uprisings, or having recovered from them.

Israel is in the driver's seat here. If they try to drive the Palestinians out of Gaza the whole region goes to shit again.   Iran knows this, that's why they use the Sunni Palestinians as a weapon, Iran is Shia, they think Sunnis are sub human. They don't actually care about Palestinians. They are just a pawn on Iran chess board.  That's why Iranian proxies are also poking at Israel, trying to get them to over react and cause division in the Sunni Arab countries.

Fucking turkey is helping
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While gendarmeries are primarily tasked with civilian law enforcement, unlike our police they are, in fact, military. They are not armed and equipped the same as the regular army, though.
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This is correct.


Link Posted: 11/1/2023 8:45:06 AM EDT
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Israel-Hamas War Day 26 | 13 Total Israeli Soldiers Killed in Gaza Ground Op; Rafah Crossing Open to Wounded, Foreign Passport Holders

11 Israeli soldiers killed on Tuesday in Gaza ground op, bringing total Israel deaths in Gaza to 13 ■ Israeli warships were deployed in the Red Sea on as reinforcements following long-range missile and drone attacks claimed by Yemen's Houthis ■ An Israeli airstrike killed Ibrahim Biari, commander of Hamas' Jabalya Brigade and one of the leaders of the October 7 massacre ■ Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry reports over 8,000 Palestinians killed ■ Number of hostages held in Gaza stands at 240, with 40 remain missing ■ At least 1,300 civilians and soldiers killed in Hamas massacre on October 7

IDF names Roi Saragosti as 11th soldier killed in combat on Tuesday

8,796 Palestinians killed in Israeli strikes on Gaza since war began, Hamas-run health ministry in Gaza reports

Pdaya Mark, named as 10th soldier killed in Gaza on Tuesday

Up to 500 foreign passport holders will pass Rafah crossing from Gaza into Egypt on Wednesday, Egyptian source says

Palestinian communications company: Internet and cell connection in Gaza is being restored

IDF: Nine Israeli soldiers killed Tuesday after anti-tank missile hits vehicle in northern Gaza

Qatar brokers deal between Egypt, Hamas and Israel for limited Gaza evacuations

IDF missile warship arrived in the Red Sea Tuesday to reinforce defensive efforts following attacks from Yemen

IDF attacked terrorists entrenched in a building in Jabalya; more than 11,000 targets were struck since the beginning of the war

Palestinian reports IDF surrounded house of Fatah Secretary General in Jenin

Palestinian Health Ministry: Number of dead from IDF fire in the West Bank overnight rises to four
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Originally Posted By xd341:
Israel needs to take the high road, not because Hamas deserves it, but because the global stakes are higher than they have been since '76.  Israel has the ability to reverse a generation of progress if they get this wrong.
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Or, Israel realized that their neighbors are willing to do, or support, ridiculously perverse atrocities against them, and they'd rather go down fighting than raped and tortured.

The analogy above is a good one: what does showing mercy to cancer cells accomplish?
Link Posted: 11/1/2023 8:45:38 AM EDT
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The Match Lit in Yemen May Force Saudi Arabia and the U.S. to Take a Stance The Houthis’ launches of ballistic missiles and drones haven’t posed a direct strategic threat to Israel. But they could have consequences on other fronts, chief among them: normalization and the Saudi defense pact with the U.S.


The leader of Yemen’s Houthis, Abdul-Malek al-Houthi, delivered an incendiary speech on October 10, three days after the Hamas-Israel war began. He was dressed, as usual, in a gray suit and a white shirt with the collar open, just like former Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad used to wear during his public appearances. Instead of a tie, Al-Houthi wore an ornate Yemenite sword.

“We are continuously monitoring what is happening in Gaza, and we coordinate regularly with our brothers in the Axis of Resistance,” he said, referring to Hezbollah, Shi’ite militias in Iraq, Hamas and Islamic Jihad.

“God willing, we’ll be ready to participate in the context of this coordination, based on the different levels planned for it… We condemn and blame everything done by the countries that normalized relations with Israel – acts that harmed the Palestinian people with the goal of dismantling the unified Arab position.”

So far, the Houthis’ launches of ballistic missiles and drones – their contribution to the Axis of Resistance and a show of solidarity with Hamas – haven’t posed a direct strategic threat to Israel. But they could have consequences on other fronts, and no less so on diplomatic moves in the region.

The violent show of solidarity that Iran initiated to prove the existence of the “united front” has included Hezbollah’s controlled but escalating clashes with Israel, attacks by Shi’ite militias on American targets in Iraq and the sporadic missile and drone launches from Yemen. But the Houthis’ attacks are also meant to send a diplomatic message to Saudi Arabia, and through it, to Washington.

For the past year and a half, there has been a ceasefire in the war in Yemen that Saudi Arabia started in 2015. Under American pressure, intensive talks aimed at ending the conflict began this year between Riyadh and the Houthi government.

In September, a high-level Houthi delegation visited Riyadh for the first time, and the parties have already reached a draft agreement that includes massive Saudi aid to the Houthis and the reopening of the port of Hodeida, which has been blockaded since the war began.

But the war in the Gaza Strip and the Houthi threat create a serious dilemma for both Riyadh and Washington. In a violent clash between Houthi and Saudi forces that took place this week in the Jizan region, which is on the Saudi-Yemeni border, four Saudi soldiers were killed.

Saudi Arabia also intercepted five missiles fired at Israel when they crossed Saudi airspace. These events made it clear to Riyadh that not only might the peace talks collapse, but it may have to take an unequivocal position on the war in Gaza.

As Al-Houthi made clear, in his view, Israel isn’t the only legitimate target. So are the Arab states that have diplomatic relations with Israel and those, like Saudi Arabia, that are planning to normalize relations. And of course, America is also in the Houthis’ sights.

If Saudi Arabia is dragged back into war with the Houthis, this might well endanger its new relationship with Iran. But when the Houthis are justifying these attacks as part of the “united front” of the Axis of Resistance against Israel, Riyadh is forced to leave its comfort zone – in which it has so far made do with condemning Israel’s actions and demanding that it allow humanitarian aid – and position itself demonstratively beside America, and thereby implicitly beside Israel.

These dilemmas took center stage in the talks held by Saudi Defense Minister Khalid bin Salman, Crown Prince Mohammed’s brother, in Washington, where he landed on Monday for meetings with U.S. National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan.

Nor is this just a local Saudi concern. In a situation where the war in Gaza threatens to open additional fronts, the prevailing assumption is that the clashes in Lebanon could also develop into a full-fledged war.

U.S. President Joe Biden has already made it clear that if Hezbollah launches missiles at Israel, America won’t be part of the war. It is saving its heavy artillery for a situation in which Iran decides to actively join the fighting, in defiance of Washington’s warnings.

But the big surprise could come from a less predictable front, if the match lit by the Houthis requires Washington not only to intercept missiles aimed at Israel, but to use greater force in a theater where it has managed to avoid direct involvement ever since it stopped attacking Al-Qaida bases in Yemen.

More importantly, Washington might well decide to sign a defense pact with Saudi Arabia to show its commitment to defending the region against Iran’s satellites, without conditioning this on normalization between Riyadh and Jerusalem.

Like other substate organizations, including Hezbollah and the Shi’ite militias in Iraq, the Houthis also have strategic goals completely disconnected from the Arab-Israeli conflict or the Palestinian problem.

All three of these organizations serve Iran’s regional interests and are funded by it, and they maintain various levels of military coordination. But at the same time, they conduct independent policies aimed at ensuring their own status and their control over the countries in which they operate.

The Houthis began as a large tribe centered in the Saada region in northern Yemen. Most of its members belong to the Zaydi sect of Shi’ite Islam. Their war in Yemen was originally against the Yemeni government, and also against the Saudis, due to the friction along the border between Saudi Arabia and northern Yemen.

Thus, unlike Hezbollah or the militias in Iraq, the Houthis aren’t an Iranian “creation.” Only in 2012, when Yemen was already mired in its Arab Spring revolution, did Iran become interested in the Houthis as a potential vehicle for exerting influence over the country. A year after that, Tehran had already begun sending the Houthis arms.

When the Houthis began conquering parts of Yemen, the Iranians advised them not to capture the capital, Sanaa. But the Houthis had their own agenda. Capturing the Yemenite capital wasn’t just an act of seizing power; it also completed the settling of a historical account that began in the 1960s, when, with the help of Egyptian forces, the Yemenite king – a member of the Zaydi sect – was toppled and Yemen became a republic.

Even if the attacks from Yemen result in no far-reaching regional developments, they once again show the power of substate proxies to instigate geopolitical moves that go far beyond the radius of the local conflicts that normally nourish them.

The war in Gaza has already thrust America into the heart of our local conflict – not just to protect Israel, but to prevent a multi-country war. Yemen may well become the next focal point in the development of such a war.

Do the Saudis still have our Patriot Missile defense?  Seems we put them there during the last gulf war because of the Scud missiles.
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Originally Posted By Oldgold:

Article pretty much sums up the RHINOs in the Senate without calling them that.  
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That's fine if the RINO  senate rejects Johnson's plan. Although I support Israel, I'm ok with giving U.S. taxpayer dollars to nobody if that's the way they want to play it. Put the money they were going to give to other countries towards the ever expanding national deficit if you won't give it back to the taxpayers.



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The Palis have no place to go.  They are such bad actors in global affairs that no nation wants them.  They are full of Iranian influence, impossible to vet, have a history of insurgency and are the favored tool of the #1 global state sponsor of terror.  

It would be like donating your living body so cancer has a place to live.   That being said, the citizens of those Arab countries, Egypt, SA, the emirates, jordan..they have huge populations that are sympathetic to the Palestinians.

They also have reached relative peace with Israel, while not suffering popular uprisings, or having recovered from them.

Israel is in the driver's seat here. If they try to drive the Palestinians out of Gaza the whole region goes to shit again.   Iran knows this, that's why they use the Sunni Palestinians as a weapon, Iran is Shia, they think Sunnis are sub human. They don't actually care about Palestinians. They are just a pawn on Iran chess board.  That's why Iranian proxies are also poking at Israel, trying to get them to over react and cause division in the Sunni Arab countries.

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Excellent analysis.  I see the Palestinians sort of like the barbarians that were chased into Roman territory in the late 4th century--nothing but trouble. They have the potential to push Egypt over the edge--think Lebanon in the '70s--which is why the Egyptians said they'd shoot them if they crossed over.  

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Biden admin reportedly considering stationing US troops in Gaza

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Beirut 2.0. This is really the dumbest administration in history.
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Do the Saudis still have our Patriot Missile defense?  Seems we put them there during the last gulf war because of the Scud missiles.
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Looks like they have them, or at least they did in 2022.
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Good suspend.



The fact that it even existed all this time is quite telling, though.


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Beirut 2.0. This is really the dumbest administration in history.
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Yep. With the ROE typical of democrat SECDEFs like Les Aspin it has all the trappings of a Beirut/Mogadishu 2.0.

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The fact that it even existed all this time is quite telling, though.


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The pre-Musk Twitter would have let them tweet with impunity.

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They might be antique, but there's a lot of them still in service.


As of 2015, Egypt is the largest operator with 1,716 upgraded M60A3s, Turkey is second with 866 upgraded units, and Saudi Arabia is third with over 650.

And the USMC just gave up their last tank a few months ago.
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Do we even have any Pattons left? Those things are antiques.

They might be antique, but there's a lot of them still in service.


As of 2015, Egypt is the largest operator with 1,716 upgraded M60A3s, Turkey is second with 866 upgraded units, and Saudi Arabia is third with over 650.

And the USMC just gave up their last tank a few months ago.
As the War in Ukraine has illustrated, even an old tank is better than none at all.  In fact a cheap old tank can be quickly upgraded and turned into an effective weapon, especially if you have lots of ammo for it.

An M-60 updated with the latest optics and technology is not a bad option for infantry support.
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Or, Israel realized that their neighbors are willing to do, or support, ridiculously perverse atrocities against them, and they'd rather go down fighting than raped and tortured.

The analogy above is a good one: what does showing mercy to cancer cells accomplish?
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It's not about the cancer. It's about allowing Iran to manipulate the region into a wider war. A war that will destabilize more than the Mid-east.

This is all Iran. They are the puppet masters from Syria all the way through Gaza.  I'm not worried about Israel. There is a lot of fight in the Jewish state and for good reason.  

Roughly half of the arab world is pretty OK with Islamic extremism. Maybe not participating but not resisting it either.  Somehow most of the arab world is run by people willing to at least acknowledge that Israel exists. That's fragile. It was making quiet but significant progress.  That's why Iran had to throw a wrench in the gears.  If the Sunni Arab world aligns with Israel and the US,  Iran is fucked.

The last thing Iran can allow is Palestinians to have secure coexistence with Israel. The atrocities of 7 Oct were designed specifically to outrage Israel beyond control and make them fracture the region.
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Or, Israel realized that their neighbors are willing to do, or support, ridiculously perverse atrocities against them, and they'd rather go down fighting than raped and tortured.

The analogy above is a good one: what does showing mercy to cancer cells accomplish?
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Originally Posted By xd341:
Israel needs to take the high road, not because Hamas deserves it, but because the global stakes are higher than they have been since '76.  Israel has the ability to reverse a generation of progress if they get this wrong.


Or, Israel realized that their neighbors are willing to do, or support, ridiculously perverse atrocities against them, and they'd rather go down fighting than raped and tortured.

The analogy above is a good one: what does showing mercy to cancer cells accomplish?

It's worth noting that their other neighboring governments - Egypt, Jordan, and Lebanon, have made it clear through their actions that they only intend to offer a bit of lip service to Hamas and Palestinians. Syria has its own problems. Nobody wants Palestinians crossing their borders. Hamas threw a Jihad party and nobody showed up.

Israel is learning from this, as is Iran, as are Hamas and Hezbollah. In a way it's encouraging.


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